as an ex-president. i give him an enormous amount of credit for what he's done with his foundation, the initiatives he's had around the world. i think he stirred a lot of people idealist young people to get involved going to africa and going to some of the other places that are very, very difficult. and i think he's been remarkably disciplined in aid of both hillary and his daughter. i think he's very moved by his daughter's future as well as by his wife's future. >> his story seems so unfinished because of hillary's possible run for the presidency. you just feel like his story will look completely different if she becomes president or if she doesn't. and we don't know. >> there's another aspect. remember, this is someone who was impeached, who had hit the depths. and now is the most popular political figure in our culture. >> it's an interesting thing. i think one of the questions about president obama. both president reagan and president clinton got in real trouble in their second terms. the both came back from it.