what's going on now, what the obama presidency is subsumed by is this health care disaster. it may turn out to be different. that's not about race. that's not about criticism for him. this is a self inflicted wound in this administration. >> she was flogging a -- >> one reason she -- i don't think she brought it up on her own. but it feels off to me to be discussing it now because i don't think the criticism he's getting now is because he's black it's because he has a big problem. >> i think you linking those two things is a bigger problem. i think there is no wrong time to discuss this. we try to figure out when is the right time to have conversations around this subject. i don't think there is a wrong time. you have continual conversations where people don't try to