country for a long time. maybe in the '50s and '60s it -- i don't know if there was ever a golden age. let me say one thing about what oprah said which i think feels off to me. it has to the with the timing. what's going on now, what the obama presidency is subsumed by is this health care disaster. that's not about race. that's not about criticism for him. this is a self inflicted wound in this administration. >> she was flogging a -- >> one reason she -- i don't think she brought it up on her own. but it feels off to me to be discussing it now because i don't think the criticism he's getting now is because he's black it's because he has a big problem. >> i think you linking those two things is a bigger problem. i think there is no wrong time