in an era where any true expectation of complete privacy is gone. >> we have senior political analyst david gergen. you look at a country like france which actually does a lot of spying on the united states, particularly for trade secret, for private companies, france is well-known. obviously china does tremendous amounts as well. i was surprised to learn about france's extensive spying efforts and seemed to be kind of unapologetic about it. >> very unapologetic. i think there are two two issues here. whether we should be trying to spy on angela merkel the way other nations try to spy on us. i would have to say that's a close call. but it ought to be done very thoughtfully. and if you are spying on the personal cell phone of the the pivotal player, most important leader in europe you would take great care. and consider if it's exposed how much it will hurt you in