That we saw yesterday, increasing concerns about whether or not the fed is going to raise rates in june. Does the fed threat then rally . I dont think. So im not going to speculate on when theyre going to raise rates. The bottom line is you know theyre going to raise rates. It could be june or september, next year. What the real important question is what are you doing in the fixed income market if the feds raise rates you . Know theyre going to go up. Its just a matter of time. And i get very, very concerned about the 3. 5 trillion that is sitting in fixed income mutual funds as i look forward into a higher rate environment. They could be potentially at risk. Talk to me about stocks. Do you do anything differently with your stock portfolio . No, not at all. If you look at the market, i think the market is in great shape here. Reminds me of 1982 to 2000 market where it was up each and every year. Except for 1990 when down. 5 . One thing that you have to look at this market is theres no euphoria in it. On either side. Fear or greed. In corporate profits are at all time highs. Cash flows at all time highs. The banks are in the best shape theyve ever been n its poised to go higher. Nick, speak to that point that neil just made. I was just looking at some mutual fund data. Money is coming out. Flying out of equity funds. Where is it going . Its going into fixed income funds. Yeah. Are these people getting their ass handed to them or what . Theres been a lot of shift in what we do is ch is focus on market volatility and what is happening in the derivatives markets. Weve seen an enormous shift towards protection buying. So you started the year with the vix products suite which is where people play pure market volatility with about a billion dollar notional long bias. And that shifted toed 4dz billion notional long. So its kind of an unprecedented shift. What does that mean . Notional long bias . So because people are investing in vix futures, they can invest long or short. So you have products that allow you to get short exposure to the market and vix futures, long exposure. If you aggregate whaupt client flow has been and take account of whether its in the long products or whether its into leveraged short products, et cetera, and you say where is the money moving . It is towards long volatility positions, short volatility positions . Which means fear . Which means fear . It z it drives up the cost of those positions. So what weve been talking to clients about is counterintuitive to what you think with the vix at low levels. Were looking at a 15 on the vix. The cost of those long positions is at near record highs. Its very, very expensive if you believe that trade. If you want to put on that trade. It would cost you a lot of money. Correct. Correct. And so what were really talking to clients about is perhaps its when everyone else is buying, maybe its a good time to be selling so, neil, as a straight up fund manager, you take the client money and make them money. You are noticing a higher level of stock fear among your clients . Absolutely not. I think thats why i say there is no euphoria in the market. When i look at the overall market today, you can get 2. 75 yield in the 30 dow jones stocks verse a 1. 70 in a ten year fixed u. S. Government bond. So its really a nobrainer. The other thing i see in the marketplace is that historically companies that paid out approximately 50 of their earnings in dividends. Today its about 30 to 35 is being paid out. So there is a lot of room for Dividend Growth before the Companies Start to actual lly spend money. When you start rotating out of the dividend payers, rates are going to go higher. The thinking is you get out of the utilities of the world, Consumer Staples. You move into the likes of financials, lets say. Which are, by the way, a market leader. You take a look at the financial s p 500 sector and also the kbe, the Regional Bank etf. Those are the gainers in todays session on the day where theres a thought that the fed rate hike son the table. You have to look at the total market around 30 or 35 which is paid out. Theres a lot of room. If rates go up, that doesnt necessarily mean dividend paying stocks are going to go down. Its because of what are they doing with the dividend . Have they raised it every year for the last ten years . Are they going to continue to do it . So you at least have the opportunity to get more income in dividend paying stocks than you do in a fixed income product. I think thats where you should be Going Forward let alone profits and cash flow. Youre ahead of etfs for janus. Any way to play the fed at this point or dividends . Yeah. I think what we see similar to the point being made is that equity Market Investors have priced this n weve seen certainly at janus a year that weve seen increased market volatility. This year its been fairly calm. Obviously, we had some of the declines and come back. If you look at the daily realized volatility, its averaging about 16 on an Annualized Base this year. Youre right. I mean, its calm now. Can you average it out. We have massive hits, 20 swings. What changed the end of february to now . This goes to the point that were making. Ultimately, what do you do with equity market volatility . Nice to say the fed may feed into that. What do do you about it . And our position ultimately is you have to you know, investors dont care about volatility unless its to the down side. Up side volatility is a wonderful thing. What were talking about is what is the risk of a decline . Were seeing than vestors in equity markets are not expressing that fear. Theyre not going out in markets. It is manifesting itself in option and derivatives. Have we ever met bill gross . Does he exist . I have met him a number of time. Did he ever show up in denver . He has an office in denver next to the ceo and he spends a lot of time in newport as well. Good to see you. Thank you. Just checking. Thank you nick and neil. Retail target shares trading at the lowest level since november of 2014. This is after they reported lower net profit last quarter compared to the same time last year. Theyre joining the slew of other retailers hitting multiyear lows. Foot locker, lowest level since march 2015. Nordstrom, lowest since 2010. Macys and gap, lowest level since 2011. Lets bring on a analyst over at morning star for more on this trade. Great to have you with us, bridget. Thank you for having me. In terms of the Department Store, there was a story that gap ceo was saying he would entertain the idea of selling his merchandise on amazon. Is that the new Online Department store . I mean is it going to disinterimmediate yad the nordstroms of the world . I dont think that will be the only player standing. But, yes, certainly the Department Stores are losing share to the online channel and amazon is the king of that. The trick is how these brands switch over to that platform. Their concern is to maintain their brand image and pricing whereas amazon historically was known for the cheaper prices, discounts, and its not really good at displaying the clothes in a lifestyle manner. So i think youre going to see a slower shift over to that channel than just in the heed everyone gets onboard with amazon. Is that a good thing for the gap though . They do this in china an tmall. Its not like theyve never done this before, sell their merchandise through another channel. Right. But there is a shift in the model. You know, youre suddenly not owning and operating your own retail channel. If amazon ever were to become a significant retailer of the clothes that, would mean that you are heavily overstored and that you really do have to tweak your Distribution Channel to represent the new model. So you think that gap should not do this . Is that the bottom line . No. I mean, all of retailers need to follow the customer to where the customer is. So absolutely they need to do it. I do think that its going to involve a few bumps and bruises along the way though. Its interesting. I was reading through the notes here. It seems like you think the winners, among the winners are the off pricers. Weve seen success during this earnings season. And also the manufacturers. These are the guys of the fcorps of the world. They can decide what the channel is. Does it play to their advantage . They could decide were going to go through a Department Store like a macys or go straight on amazon and sell our stuff. Exactly. The apparel manufacturers are completely channel. And, you know, theyre manufacturing and supply chain is set up to distribute to whatever retailers are necessary globally. So i think for them, their positioned to have the easiest shift over towards somebody like amazon. And id also highlight that basic apparel manufacturers like a hanes brand, they do underwear. And the underwear category is wonderful. Its replenishment, right . The underwear is going to run out. You have to replace it. Hopefully. Lets hope we dont get so poor we cant afford that. So i do think right now those are some of the best positions. All right. Bridget, great to speak with you, thank you. Tyler . So what is the fate of the major dement stores . Former chairman and ceo of Saks Incorporated joins me. What do you think of what bridget said . Pick apart her argument. I think retail is going through a major transformation. I call it a disruption. Youll is winners and losers. Everybody is going to look at their own self interest in terms wlaf is right for them. And whether you have the vertical intergrated manufacturers like gap thinking that maybe we ought to be selling on amazon or the vfs of the world saying that Department Stores are not growing the way we need them to grow and get another distribution out. So maybe theyll open up amazon. So that says the Department Stores have to find theyll sell on their own website. Absolutely. Just the way the Shoe Companies do or whoever does. Spin forward this movie ten years. With specific reference to Department Stores, whos going to be left . What are they going to excel at . How busy are they going to be . How are they going to be different . Remember, the Department Stores, a number of them, macys, for example, nordstrom, theyre major players. They have internet businesses today. Thats going to become even bigger. Theyll probably have fewer stores. But they have to fundamentally transform themselves. Theyve got to provide much better experiences than they do. Everyone use thats word, experience. But it is real. Theyve got to change its not just about selling the physical product. Because if all youre doing is selling a pair of jeans, they can get it on amazon or somewhere else. They have to first have much more differentiated product, more private owned brand, brands that nobody else can get. Then theyve got to provide an experience that is very different. I think thats the real key. I just bought a pair of branded jeans on amazon, first time id ever done it. I like to try the stuff on. But i knew this brand. And i ordered it that way. I probably do it again. Like the shopping experience. I think you nailed it there. I think the experience is critical. When i go into a store that is jammed with stuff, that wasnt the word that came to mind, i get annoyed by it. I cant get i cant find what i want. Thats number one. Number two, i think for the younger shoppers and others, it has to be a social experience. It cant merely be im going to go in there and go through racks of stuff. I think you have to have a party. Throw a party at saks and make women come and serve them a nice rose. Its about the relationship and experience and providing something they kblt get anywhere else. And macys, nordstrom, all of them have to go into how are they going to do it . Brian . Its a little side ways of a question, i guess. You know, you ran saks. All this real estate, macys and sears, all the real estate. What it is going to look like if your prediction is true . Is america going to be littered with a bunch of empty ugly buildings and half filled malls . I think youll find winners and losers. The winners will be fine. There will be good malls for the long term. The cnd malls, i call them the a malls, the short hills. The cnd malls, theyre going to become health clubs and reused for other purposes. You dont need amany malls as you have. Will they be used or empty . An empty building is blight. It is ugly. Its dangerous. It brings down Neighborhood Housing values. Will they find other uses . I think it will be both. Some will and some wont. Some will go away and theyll become housing. What about the big buildings in the interior of the cities, im thinking of the big macys landmark on seventh avenue. Big macys in chicago. Lord taylor. I think the big stores like the macys, the saks on fifth avenue, theyll be fine. Theyll be fundamental tolt idea providing the experience. But they have to change. They have to bring in the restaurants. They have to bring in gosh, ways in a mall in thailand where they have movie theaters where they have movie theaters where they serve why pay for insuranc yo pay even more for using it . If you have Liberty Mutual deductible fund™, you could pay no deductible at all. Sign up to immediately lower your deductible by 100. And keep lowering it 100 annually, until its gone. Then continue to earn that 100 every year. 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Were about to breakthrough levels we have not seen. But will it . Were up two basis points in the short end. The long send catching up with the curve. Look at the three month of tens, you can see what i mean. That right side popped up a lot more in the last day or so. And the dollar index, heres the fly in the ointment. If everything is set and the curve reflects it and the yields reflect it and the hawkish comments reflect there could be a tightening sooner rather than later, im shocked at the scholar index. Its off the highs. It isnt looking that aggressive. I think the dollar index is going to move here. Im talking about what happens at the june meeting. Speaking of the june meeting thashgts is off in the distance. But dont go anywhere. Power lunch returns in two minutes. Andrea sikon. Medical doctor from cleveland clinic, watson, lets review the Electronic Medical record of the next patient. No problem. Its a pretty huge file. Done. Sorry for the wait. That was quick. 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My government will continue to safeguard national security. Hot and dry weather and strong winds are expected to push the Massive Wildfire burning near ft. Mcmurray, alberta, can dashgs eaada today. The fires already destroyed a 665room lodge for oil sands workers. Tim cook began his tour of india with a visit to a temple in mumbai ahead of business meetings. The Company Announcing theyll set up an app design and Development Center by early 2017. And this is my favorite story of the day. The u. S. Returned to italy a letter written by Christopher Columbus in 1493. Announcing his discovery of the new world. The letter was stolen from a Florence Library and acquired about it library of congress. Its value is estimated at about 1. 1 million. I dont know, i think its worth a lot more than. That. Yeah. Its the new world. I love. That. Isnt that cool . That is my favorite story of the day so far. All right. Thank you. Very new developments in the 81 million heist that apparently came through bangladeshs central bank. Were live if washington with the late environment. Hi. Hi, tyler. This information coming to cnbc from a source familiar with the investigation into just what exactly happened here in this will 81 million heist. Were learning a little bit more about what investigators have found. Starting with the fact that there were up to three entities that had access to the bank of bangladeshs servers according to that source familiar with. They say that one of the groups was in the servers in order to steal money. The other two, apparently, just wanted to gather information perhaps and intelligence operation or just waiting and lurking to see what they could discover. The heist group, though, Officials Say is likely a sophisticated and well funded criminal gang. Now the second group that was inside those servers is an interesting one. Theyre saying that there are some similarities here now between the sony hack back in 2014 and this bank of bangladesh hack in term of the techniques that were used to get into the servers. This is a group that did not steal the money but one of the groups that was found to be inside those bangladesh servers. Officials in 2014 said that the sony hack was sponsored by north korea but investigators looking at the bangladesh situation are not yet ready, tyler, to conclude that north korea itself was inside those bangladeshi servers. A lot of this stuff is done by cutouts and other groups. It may be the case, theyre speculating, that another group that did the sony hack was fls bangladesh but not the north koreans. Maybe they farmed theirs out to a spraet cutout. A lot of mercuriness but interesting that a central bank was penetrated now up by three different entities and a warning really to bank ands Central Banks that a lot of penetration activities are around the world. The Bangladesh Central Bank was porous. Were they searching for information specifically about or within the bank of the central bank of bangladesh or was this a back doorway of somehow getting access or a fishing attack or something on the sned. My source doesnt know exactly what they were there for. One source one entity was in there to steal money. The other was monitoring. The third organization out of the three, they dont have any information on whatsoever. So its not clear what they were doing. But you could speculate two possible motives. One is to figure out where bangladeshi money is going inside bangladesh. Then the other to figure out more about how the new york fed operates in terms of its accounts that it holds for foreign Central Banks. Remember, the new york fed has about 3 trillion on deposit for foreign Central Banks. Thank you. You bet. New Home Building is doing better, not great. Maybe just okay. But many argue that it could be doing even better except its being held back by one thing. We know what that is. She is right here at cnbc hq. There is huge demand for entry level housing and precious little supply. You think woibt a fabulous opportunity for home builders. They cannot profit on starter homes because of the rising cost of new regulation. And that is why its high end homes all the way for them. The poster child for that is sea summit. It is called the last sea Side Development in southern california. Stunning 200 Acre Development is finally open and building and selling luxury homes. Arizona based Taylor Morrison purchased the project two years ago after Previous Development stalled. The plan is for about 300 homes here, decades ago, they could have built twice as many on this land. Government regulations say they keep half the land as open public space and they had to build trails, bridges, and plant new vegetation. The requirements can be a lengthy list that things you wouldnt see 10, 20 years ago. But youre also seeing it in fees that cities and counties impose on new home construction. Fees can be anywhere from 50 to 100,000 per home to be able to build. All of which gets passed on to the home buyer. The Purchase Price of the average newly built home was a stunning 30 higher. Most regulation is sold to us like, hey fwheeshgsd to regulate so we can protect the little guy. It looks like these regulations, all theyre doing is making sure the little guy doesnt live near the big guy. Well, i mean, a the love the regulations are helping the environment. Dont get me wrong about that. Some of them are very good for the environment and very good for the public. Open trails. Its beautiful. But the costs involved are staggering, as we said. And they are keeping prices high and keeping those first time starter home buyers out. Rich people and the desert grouse are welcome protected. Stick us with. Lets bring in a man that covers the home builder stocks. Do you believe there is a dramatic lack of entry level homes being built . You talked about california. It will take from 10 years to go from raw land to getting the house constructed. Thats an issue. You know, there are issues around the mortgage process. Regulation qm, the trade move and know before you go the borrower rules. And then there is also the issues developing around labor. There is a department of labor ruling out today that is probably going to, you know, unfortunately raise the cost of construction further. There are proposals out there to increase builder liability as they relate to the subcontractor. So its not just land. So there is mortgage lending issues, regulation processes and there is also labor issues escalating as well. But if you build high volume that, is a company like dr horton, they have express homes which is a starter entry level home under 200,000 and they build big volume and theyre seeing really good demand for the home. None of the other builders will touch it y is it that theyre so afraid, even when they see that it can be done at least when you have high volume . It is around gross margin. Higher gross margin homes, obviously, less of those to sell or can you go lower price or lower gross margin homes and sell a lot more of them. So its a question of gross margin percentage or dollars. I think where were at today, i think a lot of the public builders are not shurt demand is fully there at the entry level to support the volume they need. Horton is killing it. Horton has done a great job. Theyve they were early first mover advantage there. I think they got a year or two head start on the industry and the sub2 hundr200,000 homes. Were going to earn more dollars and thats what theyre doing. But their several basis points lower than the peers. I want to switch gears a little bit and talk about pulte. There was an email this morning, that company, they fired the ceo. There is a very, very public battle going on. Is there a reason to buy shares. Pulte because of this overhang . Does it make the stock look artificially less attractive . Or it is a reason to stay away . I think the pulte Family Involvement puts a floor onlt shares. I dont think theyre going away. I dont think when a chance to meet with bill pulte recently. I dont think this is a short term strategy for them. But at the heart of the issue is this gross margin versus gross margin dollars tradeoff. Putle has an entry level product. That is major part of the issue. The question i get from investors is what is the outcome here . The ceo has agreed to retire in 2017. So to me, the way the stock reacts depends on how aggressive the family is. Do they run a midyear process . Do they try to call a special meeting or wait until next year and try to run a slast board seats since they missed the deadline this year . I think you have a floor on the stock. The stock is not expensive. But it hasnt grown to the extent some of the other names have in the space. There you go. Thank you very much. We should have said forced out rather than fired. You get my point. I appreciate. That good to sigh. You, too. We like having her here in the studio. It this video just into the newsroom. Venezuelan Security Forces clashing with protesters. This is the third outbreak over the last week. Theyre arguing over lack of food and medicine. They have taken to the streets to demand a recall of the venezuelan president. Lets bring in the director of political and m rachlt cro research and the founder and ceo of graywalk capital. Venezuela owes both of them money because they own venezuelan debt and theyre not worried about it. Hans, explain this to me. This country cant doesnt have enough Foreign Exchange to buy food or medicine. But you think theyre going to prioritize paying you first . Why . The fact theyre having economic troubles is less about the debt load than the economic policies. So theyve been running this two tiered, multitiered effect system. Foreign exchange. And at the same time, they are mismanaging the economy completely. So the aggregate debt to gdp is 76 . There is some short date maturities that could come up and be refinanced. There are simple tweaks that they can do to allow them to service the debt. I am not saying there is no chance of default. But it will be a default because you get a collapse in the system, of the political crisis that results. Its not an inability to pavement its a liquidity issue because of how little access they have to the international markets. Explain why it is that you would own venezuelan debt here. This is exactly what we look for in the investment. When the politics are overwhelmed all the normal economic and financial variables that most investors look for, thats where we try to get n whether we look at these protests, what i see is not necessarily what im thinking about is not necessarily whether theyll make a new Coupon Payment or principle payment but what this means for the longer term political trajectory. And i think we certainly believe that whether i see this, i see one more reason for all the people around the president to abandon him. As they band on him, theyll move to a more centerist, pragmatic approach. And at that point, theyll be able to do some relatively easy economic fix thats i think will have enough broad base Political Support to work. And thats exactly what bond holders are looking for. What people shouldnt see when they look at these pictures is the beginning of some sort of rightwing movement. What were not going to have is a cobble of Milton Friedman accolades who take over the country and control every single level of power and turn the place into switzerland overnight. I heard the argument made as well that if they dont pay the debt, despite how bad it looks on the ground, it could get even worse if they dont pay the debt. Thats why they would prioritize it . The current government, if he defaults, hes gone. They always paid. Through the latin american debt crisis, they always paid. They restructured but they always paid the coupons. So the i think the man on the street if, they knew him defaulted, he would be out of. There he would lose any the yields are like 30 , 40 . Those are screamingly high. The Petroleum Company bonds are close to 70 . Going down to about 20 on the long end. So if you think theyre going to make next few payments, you know, im not saying for your viewers, but its not a bad investment. Do you think theyre going to make the payments . I think its a pretty good chance that they will make next couple payments. I think its a very, virtually certain that the country will make the next payment in 2018. Wow. All right. Daniel phillips, thank you of calloway capital. Hans hughes, thank you. Melissa . Take a look at what is happening to the banks ahead of the fed minutes. The thinking is that a rate hike is going to be on the table. Therefore, the yield curve will be steepening. The financial etf is up by 1. 7 . Check out the move on the online brokers. This is the group that could benefit most from a steepening yield curve. We see sharp gains across the board. More than 4 gains like Charles Schwab and td ameritrade. So this is an area of the market, especially as were seeing yields at train day highs here ahead of the fed minutes. All right. Waiting on the fed minutes. Baited breath. All right. A gold mansion, a luxurious pool house and a 10,000 lunch just another weekend at tylers house. Thats right. 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The wealth reporter becomes the prime reporter . Often. Secret lives of the super rich tonight at 10 00 eastern time. Only right here on cnbc. Well all be living vicariously with you, rob. Thank you. Were about ten minutes, yes, no, eight minutes, 15, 14 away from market moving news from the fed. The minutes are out at the top of the hour. What clues might they hold . Dont go anywhere. Theres no one road out there. No one surface. No one speed. No one way of driving on each and every road. But there is one car that can conquer them all. The mercedesbenz cclass. Five driving modes let you customize the steering, shift points, and suspension to fit the mood youre in. And the road youre on. The 2016 cclass. Lease the c300 for 359 a month at your local mercedesbenz dealer. Steve, other than making im here atme move stuff,rade trader offices. What are you working on . Let me show you. Okay. 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They are going to be looked at very, very closely to see what clues, if any, they might hold as to how the fed is feeling about the possible rise in Interest Rates as soon as june. How you about, art cashman, director of floor operations at ubs. What do you expect the mood at the fed is these days . Well, look, the key thing theyre going to watch for, the key word is the word most. If they can find anywhere something that says most of the participants were concerned about or looked to or that it shows some sign of consensus. And traders would feel like that will carry through into the june meeting. Barring that, theyre going to worry sb b. Some cherry picking by people looking at that part is dovish that, part is hawkish. That could lead to some volatility. But the primary thing is can we find some kind of consensus among that group were there something that they were either worried about or hopeful to see. Why do you think investors are so stock averse these days . I think weve been through since the l. A. Qe ended, were right where we were then. We havent moved. Weve been range bound. We had some real big flips. Theyre not entirely sure they understand the fed. And theyre not entirely sure that the fed is in actual control. The Central Banks around the world are looking less and less infective as each day goes by. Lets talk about the lection. Do you that i is a bit of a wet blanket . Yeah, it will be an uncertainty. It wont play major factor until you get close to the conventions. And then they start to see what the policy outlook is. Art, thank you very much. We appreciate your type the were a few seconds away now, folks from, the release of the fed minutes. And Steve Liesman is down in washington. Hell bring it to us when they were ready to do so. Take a market check. And look at where things stand right now. We go to Steve Liesman. The Federal Reserve said theyre likely to hike Interest Rates in june if the Second Quarter data improves as expected. The members at the april meeting judged it appropriate to leave the option open for a june hike. They saw conditions improving or likely to improve to justify that hike including a weaker or stable dollar, rising equity prices and improved economy and diminished global risks. Now some were worried that market was not properly paying attention and pricing in the possibility of a june hike. Apt minutes make sense make mention of the market not being prepared for a june hike. And theyre confident that the economy will improve to support that hike. Theyre confident in the Second Quarter rebound and they believe in the strong data, those who support this over the strong jobs data over the weak gdp d data. A few wanted to do it at the april meeting. They judged the outlook as balanced even in the april meeting. Now they want to convey in the statement a sense of diminished global risks. Now there was another sign to this story. There was some on the fed who didnt want to convey this and arent confident in june. They were concerned that data wouldnt justify the june hike. They saw some risks that there is a more persistent slowdown brewing at the time. They remain worried about weak inflation, data, and down side risks abroad. Also several participants noted that the Global Financial markets could be sensitive to the british referendum. There is a sense that Federal Reserve is considering a june rate hike if the Second Quarter data improves as expected. Back to you. All right. Steve liesman, wow, breaking news there, folks. A juven june rate hike is likely. The Dow Jones Industrial average has come off 50 points since that crossed. It is up 24 points. Lets bring in our panel of fed experts to see what this might mean, if anything, for you and your money. Well get to Rick Santelli right now in the bond pits of chicago. Were seeing the ten year yield move up a little bit. And the dollar is screaming. Oh, yeah. You call i had. The dollar, first chart we want to show, the dollar definitely moved from up about six to up about a third or more. So it ripped a bit. And two year note yields coming in were trading up 85, theyre up three. The tens are at 1. 83. Theyre up one basis point. Now granted, all yields are moving up to areas we havent seen, the short end much longer time frame. But my first comment is woohoo finally. This is only my opinion. This is the first logical thing ive heard in so long janet yellen and company, my hats off you to. The second thing is now they almost have to go. Because if they dont go after these comments without some real outliars on the bell curve with data, theyll never have credibility again. This is a wonderful thing. We need to get much more normalized. Certainly after all these years, 25 to 50 isnt enough. A plus for the fed. And the markets movement, i think dig tadz that investors actually by putting on their flat eners are happy. Here the thing. If the markets and the stock markets start moving lower and start acting like theyre having trouble and we have another tantrum, theyre going to pull back, right . This say big test for them. Lets see if ultimately how it plays out. I dont think, so michelle. I dont think. So i dont think so. Listen, there is no way to normalize without a stronger dollar and a negative reaction to stocks. Just no way. It is absolutely impossible. Misch snell. Either do it or you dont. Youre right, michelle, to worry about the Market Reaction here. This raises a really interesting question f there was all this talk in the april meeting about june, why does the april statement not convey any of that . Im not im thinking the a little bit of the other side of rick here. Rick, im going to think on the other side. I dont think they get an a plus on. This if they were thinking june, they should have been talking june. They really punted on that a little bit. I dont know. Brian, if you do your word counting, june is mentioned in here. Its got to be five or six times. You know, gosh, you read my mind. Heres the thing. I wont do the april statement. Ill do the march minutes just because the lengthst document is about the same. They use the word inflation 117 times in march. Only 63 times this time. Increase most and strong the words that would indicate that kind of movement, all declined in april, steve, from march. It seems like the fed pulled back on their expectations but then said by the way, were going to raise rates. Dow is negative by the way, steve. It would be interesting to see how many times now what happened is, and the thing that ive been trying to pound the table about is how is it possible that market was ignoring eric rosengrand . The selfproclaimed dovish boss to be fed president who all did he for a month is saying youre not listening us to. So it was to the i have an answer you to, steve. Go ahead. Janet yellen, her speech in new york. Everybody said they went to sleep after that. Thats an excellent point. Im saying that when Eric Rosenberg comes out and says youre not listening to us, were thinking june. We want flexibility. Built shes the boss. Fair enough. Fair enough. You have williams. You had rose engram. You have a bunch of other folks out there arguing that the market was really not that june is a definite is going to definitely happen, but that market was misjudging the possibility or the probability of a june hike. All right. Steve, hold on. We want to get more on the Market Reaction. The s p 500 just joined the dow in turning negative. Were seeing the higher dividend yielding sectors of the s p 500. That is where the s p 500 is feeling most pain. Were talking about utilities as well as telecom. As you said, we did see that instant reaction to the fed minutes with yields popping and the markets pulling back. The dow now at the worst levels of the day. I should say, in the afternoon. The s p 500 bounced off a key support level of 2039, now moving towards those levels at 2042. Of course, the nasdaq which earlier today was set to move into correction territory but the rally we saw helped to prevent it. Remains higher. Off best level the day, up six points. Lets look at a couple of sectors which were, of course, in the news or certainly leading the markets higher earlier, specifically, we want to look at the financials. Remember financials, of course, benefit from the increase thats were seeing or the banks i should say, the big banks moving almost in tandem with how the yield on the ten year goes. And they continue to rally. Technology and health care as well to the plus side. What were watching right now is oil. Oil is giving up almost all of the gains in the wake of the fed minutes. Now trading down four cents at 4827. Thank you. Thank you very much. Mary said the dow off 100 points since that. Were seeing a dollar move ten years, two years, oil moving down. Lets bring in jim paulsen. Steve still with us as well. Jim, i dont have a smart question for you other than does this change your investing strategy and how you make money for your clients. You know, im with rick. Yahoo is my response to that. I think my criticism of the last couple years to the fed has been that every time the fed moves from easing to tightening and every recovery, the market strug wells that. It happened in 1984. It napd 1994. It napd 2004. Every time i went from easing to tightening. But this fed has suspended wall street at the first tightening move. And has perpetuated the fear which is now last at least two years. They wait to raise waits and then they pause. Its like stretching out or keeping us in this pattern of fear. If they get away from that and start a regular rise in rates, i think wall street will calm down like it has in the past and the market will start trading more fundamentals and do far better. So im very cheery today, if you will about, the prospects for equities. I know nothing about how the fed thinks. They were going to weight six months to get a read on data between Interest Rate hikes and i think if they go in june, theyll wait another six months until december to do it again. First and foremost, the fed is going to raise rates when they deem it appropriate for the u. S. Economy. But there are a number of fed officials that are really desperate to adhere to that gradual commitment. It will be six months come june and many would argue that six months in between rate increases is as gradual as can you get. Certainly a very hawkish tilt to the april fomc meeting minutes. But more importantly that, hawkish tilt has been affirmed by the most recent comments from a number of fed officials reiterating their confidence in the continued improvement in the underlying data. So not only arguing for a near term rate increase, but were hearing about multiple rate increases this year. Weve heard two maybe three potential hikes still within the bounds of seven months left this year. Youre a fixed income investors, there is a lot of lo reporting on it. This is the moment where people who thought they were safe in fixed incomes get their hat handed to them. Are you worrying about that moment being near . There is a very big concern. The fed is going it continue to raise rates again the baction drop of an kple that is still very froth ill. Even if we do see the short end std curve, follow along with the fed rate increases, the long end is restrained about it fact that were getting out 2 gdp. Were still seeing Consumer Spending very minimal, negative business investment. That is going to create a much more difficult market. Twint get your Market Reaction. You take a look at the markets at this moment in time. It looks like theyre reacting. Yesterday we saw a selloff because of the notion that a june hike was on the table. So over the two days, paul, what do you think . Melissa, your point is exactly what i was going to sachlt yesterday we sold off on more hawkish fed opportunity. Today is the selloff about minutes from a meeting six weeks ago and in that span weve seen a lot of Economic Data and fed commentary coming out. I think its a bit of an overreaction on the part of the market. The knee jerk selloff that we saw in stocks. The fed has shown that theyre going to be theyre not going to put the cart before the horse. So if they hike rates, june, i think, you know, even in the minutes it said its on the table. I think when they hike rates, theyre going to be damn well sure its time to hike rates and not one of the situations where they think they should do it preemptively. I think initial selloff is a little bit too much. But Going Forward, the fed is going to take a slow gradual approach. Like they said yesterday, two hikes maybe this year. That would be, you know, one every six months. June and then at the end of the year. Thats my guess here. Steve, you know, rick made the point and i gather you were sort of along with him on it. The fed now seems like they have tiptoed right up to the line for june. Right there on the line. Yeah. And i was going to make that point about what lindsey was saying. People should realize there are two sides to the ledger here. Youre right. Michel michelle is correct that fixed income investors could get hurt in this environment. But remember, on the other side of the ledger should be somewhat better growth. Theyve had decent auto sales f we get that Second Quarter rebound that weve had of gdp between 2 and 2. 5 that, will be a whole lot better environment than youve seen for corporate earnings than the. 5 growth that we saw in the first quarter. Theyre going to take away a little bit here. The amount theyre taking away, i dont think should be overstated in the sense that were talking about perhaps 50 basis points this year, i think, at the outside. I dont think the three hikes is on the table. But probably could be two out. There and just to your point, yeah, i think that in and out bar is going to be pretty high for them to not hike at this point. Yes. You to have rick used the term a lot of outliars or clunkers in the data. You have to give up the ghost of a 2 rebound in the Second Quarter. Lind sishsey, waunt to respo . Even if we see a rebound at 2 , averaging that out over the First Six Months of the year that, gives us about 1. 5 growth. The weakest start to the year than weve seen in the past several years. I dont see the justification for the fed to continue to raise rates other than the fact that theyve really backed themselves yet again into a corner by committing to a gradual increase in rates. Now i know there is a desperation among fed officials to get going, continuing to remove accommodation. But the Economic Data, the Economic Data does not support that. What i think the right response the fed would give you here is that, hey, the Economic Data does not support zero or emergency Interest Rates. And that the fed should have long ago probably been off the zero lower bound and the point here is to get to something that is more in line with where the kple is now. 5 economy. And frank lishgs you call it 1. 75 growth being very weak. And youre right about. That but its probably the potential of the economy right now as you know. If you look at productivity and labor force growth, thats probably about where we should be growing. And under those circumstances, if youre doing potential, you shouldnt be doing so under the emergency rates. Thats not what the fed is forecasting itself. Guys, i have a comment and then a question to jim. So heres the comment. Theres a lot of talk that maybe we wouldnt get a rate hike in june because of this british referendum on lefaving the eu. They do mention this on page 7. Heres a quote. Some participants noted the market could be sensitive to the british referendum on membership in the eu. Thats all they say. Were aware of it. Maybe it wont stop us. Jim, you to. When i look at the markets right now, the top five stocks in the s p 500, etrade, citigroup, Charles Schwab, key corps and citizens financial, bank of america up there as well. Are you a buyer or have you been of bank and financial stocks on the anticipation of this . Yeah. I think its been more about the value that was created in the decline in the financial stocks or the relative underperformance thats drawn my attention. And with the anticipation that i think eventually this year were going to start to get rate hikes. And youve already got, you know, 6 loan growth going on. If you now start to raise department rates to some extent, i think the fundamental, the earnings for r story for them improved remarkably wlachlt youre seeing is risk on tight equity trades or wing and defensive intersensitive, you know, defensive utilities and Consumer Staples are losing in this trade. I dont think anybody in the economy is going to be hurt by a 25 base point hike from darn near zero. But what of the inability to raise rates, i think is hurting. Its hurting confidence. I think the fed would, if they want to juice the growth rate of the economy, they want the stock market to do better, they should raise rates. Start a normal process of that and allow wall street and main street to become the story rather than the fed. All right. Thanks so much, guys. And lady. Good to have you. Shes taller than all of them. I bet she is. Shes 62. Nice. The financials are rallying as brian mentioned. One what do the fed minutes mean for the banks . Well debate it next. The eclass has 11 intelligent driverassist systems. It recognizes pedestrians and alerts you. Warns you about incoming crosstraffic. Cameras and radar detect dangers you dont. And it can even stop by itself. So in this crash test, one things missing a crash. The 2016 eclass. Lease the e350 for 499 a month at your local mercedesbenz dealer. They found out whos been who . Cking into our network. Guess. I dont know, some kids in a basement . You watch too many movies. Who . A Small Business in china. A business . They work nine to five. They take lunch hours. Like a job . Like a job. We tracked them. How did we do that . 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Otherwise, it was going to lose complete credibility. Take a look at what bank of japan was doing and they saw how bad lit bank of gentleman lan pau japan lost. This is the time to do one and done rate hike in june, before the general election starts and before you have a lot of turmoil in the markets. I think what is going to happen is you have this rate hike in june and then a pause for six months. That will create a much bigger calm than people think. So yes, will it help financial stocks right now . Absolutely. Is it going steepen the curve a little bit . Absolutely. I dont think this is a long term secular move by any means. This is a one and done move to satisfy the markets. All right. Gina, there is that call. You heard boris position. Your view on financial stocks. Theyre moving today. Is this kind of a well trade it to day, sell it tomorrow or is this a long standing investme in. T idea . It depends on what youre outlook for the actual result of the economy is. If you think that economy is getting better, then you might get that steepening that boris is talking about. That is really what banks need. Remember, they lend at the long end and they pay depositors at the short end. The bigger the difference between the two, the better youre going to get in terms of bank profitability. How far if, the actual data comes in weak if, we see, for example, were expecting about sub2 growth for the total year that, could actually keep the curve somewhat flat. That may the nobody as good for banks. And im not sure that the fed is even going to be able to do that june rate hike if in fact were underestimating the volatility that british referendum is going to bring into the picture. I think that is completely not discounted by the markets. I think there is more potential for volatility there. They did mention it, jean yachlt thank you very much. We got to go. Boris, thank you as well. We have breaking news. Yeah, donald trump just released a list of 11 potential Supreme Court picks that he would select as president of the united states. This is an unusual move for a president ial candidate. We dont see this level of specificity. Let me run throughout list of the 11 people that his campaign is suggesting, steven colloton, allison eid, raymond grounder, thomas hardiman, raymond kethledge, joan larsen, david strass, dianne sykes of wisconsin and done willet of texas. Theyre zinld about it Trump Campaign to really appeal to the concerns of conservatives who felt they might not be able to vote for donald trump. Hes saying if im lekted as president , youre going to get what you most desire out of a conservative president. A conservative Supreme Court nominee to replace Antonin Scalia on the Supreme Court. Some of the other people may be considered down the line for additional vacancy thats would happen as well on the Supreme Court during a donald trump president ial term. So an interesting strategic maneuver. I think its a pretty smart move. When you talk to a lot of conservatives who do not like donald trump but you push them, you say, hillary or donald trump, they say you know what i dont want her in charge of picking the Supreme Court. And so this is, i think, plays right into that waive thinking. Yeah. Absolutely. The one name that is not on this list is Merrick Garland that, is the person that president obama president obama said he would like to see replace an ton toni scalia on the Supreme Court. Hes not on Donald Trumps list. This is trump sending a signal to those people youre talking about. Got i. Thank you so much. You bet. Power lunch is back in two minutes. I asked my dentist if an electric toothbrush was going to clean better than a manual. He said sure. But dont get just any one. Get one inspired by dentists, with a round brush head. Go pro with oralb. 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Thats right. Were here at 30 rock, actually, with the chairman and ceo of time warner. Nice to come in. Its a friendly were colleagues. Were colleagues. And for everybody right now, its the up front season. You came from some visits there. And a lot of executives seem to be indicating they think its going to be a very strong year. A lot of media executives i should have said. Yeah. I think that advertisers know that its a deal to get the reach of television. So i think thats true across the industry. For our company at turner, i was blown away by the you front. We have terrific new original shows at tbs, tntf you just go over to the news business, you note only have all the world events and the election events at cnn, tremendous interest and great coverage there. But weve got a whole stable of breakthrough original programs like anthony boredane and five or six others ones that just taking off. And do you think youll sell more in the up front this is year than you did last year . We do. We think that there will be more demand because you probably want to get in early this year. Because what . Things are Even Stronger . Yeah, i think. So and demand is going up. Why do they even exist . I mean, its like walking back into 1968. You mean the timing of buying the the up fronts themselves. What do you need do this for, have the show and tells and the 20 somethings come around. You have drinks with them. What is the point of all of this . Maybe good question. I think maybe the reason its continuing to have some relevance is there is new programming, how is everybody going to keep track of it . I hope we talk about it for video on demand. There is an explosion of tv programming. People love it whether theyre watching it on, you know, an ipad or on their tv. And increasingly, there is so much of it. And so much of it is g the question is how i do find it . How do i decide what i want to watch . How i do get it on demand right now . Right. Thats interesting you bring that up. Why dont we discuss that. We should talk about. That. Okay. Lets talk about it. Some people look at time warner and talk about all of the different opportunities and content that youre producing. But still as the question, well what is your over the top strategy given this new world that we are in . Basically, most of our audience watches on tv. And everybody likes a big screen. You like to be able to watch your favorite show, your favorite networks. But the issue is, youre not in most cases able to watch your tv network on demand. You cant get through it. You cant figure out whats on now. You cant find out do i go back two weeks episode or what do i do . What youre seeing now is the entire tv environment is finally getting on demand and good navigation. So i think youre seeing it across the Traditional Television ecosystem. We all know that what is a new kind of a helper for this is broadband delivery. So whether its the subscription Bulk Services like netflix, amazon and hulu that provide a great access to hip programming but most of that is a year or two old, at least. More and more, you want netflix they have 30 something new shows a year. Yeah. They have new shows. Those are good. But a lot of what the viewing is for everybodys network is your favorite show. Most of the shows that are gaining the audience are on the current season, new season of the show on tnt. But youre working towards talking about the new over the top bundles of programming, i would assume. Right. That are now starting to be out there. Whether its sling tv, the slim, or potentially what hulu is going to be offering. Dl is a little bit more maybe. And youre going to tell me you dont worry because youre going to be on all of them. Yes. Why . Because we have strong networks. We have a really concentrated group of networks. If you think of tbs, tnt, cartoon network, cnn, hbo, you could live without any of those networks . No. You couldnt live without them. What i think weve got and i think the numbers are bearing it out is weve got the biggest broad appeal tbs, tnt, hbo, the word news leader at cnn. We have a terrific kids network and cartoon. If you have those kind of networks with that much reach and power and we dont have a lot of marginal networks when people are constructing the new bundles and theyre trying to make they have the big bundle. They got smaller bunld wills, or whether its hulu or sling or whoever is inventing a smaller bunld will. So youd be a part of all of them . So far. Youre not now in this hulu thing that is developing. Well, well wait and see. Okay. Why wont you tell us how many subscribers you have to hbo now . We did. No, you didnt. We have the biggest year last year that weve had in 30 years and the year before that the same. What do you mean . Im talking hbo now. Not hbo. Im not saying now on hbo. We didnt release how many. I think we said 800,000 or more. We keep gaining on those. Heres our point. Were not trying to have the now Subscriber Group be different than the main hbo Subscriber Group. So weve got Cable Systems that have 40, 50 of their customers taking hbo. We have others with 20 . Wherever you have low penetration, you fill in with the over the top or the broadband delivered service. Were trying to help all of our long term distributeors have as high penetration as they can have. Were doing whatever we can to help them. But to the extent that people cant be reached or you have those that people that is about 12 million homes in america that dont have a video package, theyve got to get it through broadband. So were attacking all of those. There tends to be too much focus or segregation of interest on to the subs that come through any particular distribution. Thats not what the future s they want to understand. The biggest piece of the future, if you just take hbo, there are 70 million homes in america that are hooked up to a cable subscription that dont have hbo. All theyve got to do is add it to that cable package. They dont need another distribution meth aed to do it they want to get it through broadband, they k they dont have to. That is the biggest source of growth. Before we let you go, since its been a while since we spoke, a few months ago i was reporting or a number of activists looking at time warner. There was a broad sense that if anybody came, and nobody did, they would argue this company is better off split apart. Hbo and the movie studio and then the Cable Network separated in, some way. Yeah. You disagree. Why . Well, not only did i disagree, all our shareholders disagree as well. They know the company. Basically, if you look at the look at what we just said. We have a group of networks, tnt, tbs, cnn, cartoon, and hbo, they gain a lot of strength and ability to help each other when they go together in distribute. Not just in the united states. But think of our Program Offering in latin america. Think of europe. Think of all the other places we have those. So thats true for getting into good distribution positions and all the existing or the traditional ways. If you think of the new distribution packages, think of a sling package or these new ones that are coming on over the top or new packages in overseas territories. If youre using a broadband delivered service, having an adequate group of networks with kids, news, general entertainment and hbo and tnt, very helpful to do that. If you go to the programming side, the biggest source of programming for hbo and turner is warner. Right. The biggest outlet. But not the only outlet for warner is hbo and turner. So there are tremendous advantages. If you think about of having these together and if you think about the new world inventing new things and having at built to distribute increasingingly all over the world in more direct way than con sunlers, goods to have a certain kind of core and since we dont think we have extra, less powerful networks or companies, we separate those, we think weve got the core we need. And our investors agree. Well, well leave it there. Thank you, david. Thank you. The chairman and ceo of time warner. Back to you. All right. Thank you so much, david. Want to take a check on the markets. Were still digesting the minutes of the last fomc meeting. We will three indexes in the red moments ago. Now the dow and s p 500 in red. Nasdaq is struggling to make a gain for the day. A couple notable movers, tesla up by 2. 6 on the back of a Goldman Sachs upgrade and april sl higher. Train day, were seeing big moves as expected in the bond market. Were seeing yields across yield curve pretty much at intraday highs. No surprise. Weve got the commensurate move in the dollar index just off of intraday highs right now. We want to focus on what is happening in the yen, not because of what happened with the fomc but in the last few minutes, the u. S. Treasury secretary jack lu talking smack in terms of what they do, being very critical of japan before he heads to gentleman pavenlt he said theyre relying too much on Monetary Policy and result of rising currency battles with japan. Are we in a battle to try to weaken the currencies . Jack lu said japan is relying too heavily on monetary poll sichlt just last week the finance minister of japan said he was ready to just straight out intervene to try to weaken that yen. Well discuss more about the impact and the overall market when power lunch comes back. Well be back in two minutes. The first stock index was created over 100 years ago as a benchmark for average. 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This in a day whether weve seen long lines here earlier this morning at ohare and we also have been told to expect even bigger lines this summer. The airlines for america, theyre out with the forecast for Summer Travel. Were looking at a record sumner term of people flying. 231 million passengers according to airlines for america. Thats an increase of 4 . If they see the lines that we saw here at ohare this morning, a lot of the people are going to be saying, why am i flying . Long lines again this morning at both chicago airports, ohare and midway. And ohare is now warning travelers to arrive three hours early. It was easy to see frustrated people this morning. I think tsa, they should divide the lines better. There is just one long line. Its unbelievable. Its disgusting and its uncalled for. Whoever is at the head should be fired. Im very upset about this. Its got to be a better way than this. So what is the tsa doing to fix this situation . They are adding staff. Theyre having more other workers work overtime by the middle of august there will be another 258 tsa workers added here at chicago ohare as well as midway. Theyre also shifting the staffing to the morning hours. But guys, one last thing. This question has come up a couple times today to me. People are saying well, what if nobody brings carry on bags anymore . If the airlines dont charge for checked bags, then people will check more bags and carry on fewer bags and make it through security quicker. That is not going to be a solution. That almost anybody familiar with the tsa thinks will work. Because you still have people with purses, with briefcases, those are going to take a while to be checked as well. And look at southwest airlines. Those airports where they have a big presence, guys, you still see long delays there. Remember, southwest doesnt charge you to chekt first couple of bags. So although that in theory sounds like a good idea, most believe it really would have a very limited impact. We have senator Richard Bloomenthal coming up. The tsa is add more people, increase the budget. You point out its not a shortage of people, it is . Its just the way things are designed doesnt work. Well, the design is a huge issue. Can you add more staffing. And its when the people are staffed. Early this morning, there were people here who were saying, look, ive been in line for an hour. Did the tsa get here at 4 00 in the morning . 3. 306789 in the morning so they were completely staffed and trod go when the crowds start coming at 5 00 . Im not sure about. That we have a call in to the tsa to find out m who study this say you have to shift how youre working the airports. Its not just simply throw more people at it. Ive been to airports where there are more sta agents than people on the flight. But those are the kind of airports i fly into. And, brian, you and i both fly in airports where there is nobody at the tsa lines and a tlong of people. Goes both ways. Senator Richard Bloomenthal joining us. Your proposal which is to eliminate fees on checked bags, get more people to check them. Tsa itself says wont work. How do you respond to that . Well, it will work. But its not the sole solution. It will work to reduce not eliminate those lines. And there is a need for a multifaceted approach. Tsa needs to restore the screeners that were cut. There was a 15 cut in the number of screeners. Almost 6,000. Its proposing to add about 700. So person power is important. So is the amount of money that congress is appropriating for the design of the system and the equipment. And so are the number of carry ones versus checked bags. Heres a statistic that i think should carry a lot of weight. Tsa reports that at the check points where there are charges for the checked bags, the number of carry ones is 27 higher. Now its not 100 higher. But when you get those lines three hours long that result from in Effect People carrying on two or three bags instead of maybe one briefcase, thats going to have an infect. And heres one more phenomenon. You probably seen it. Youve been flying a fair amount. People carry on those bags and what do they find whether they get on the airport . There isnt enough room for them. There are 15 to 20 bags on most of the recent flights ive been on that have to be then taken that have to be then taken off the airplane. But that is not problem with the Security Check points. That is a problem once you are on the aircraft. Not the well it has to go through sorry, but it has to go through the Security Check points and then it defeats the purpose of carrying on the bags because they are then checked, which often delays the flight. I flew southwest this week. And i can tell you, they have no fees for check bags. The lines were just as long at newark airport. They were just as long at mid way airport. I take your point. Maybe you knock some of the volume out. But i dont think it is a measurable difference. How about mismanagement . We had an air aviation air expert on last week who talked extensively about mismanagement at the top . Is that a key problem here . It is a problem and ive just said there is no single panacea that management will make a difference. There is a relatively new tsa head and maybe better management can make a difference. But when you charge for those p bags you are going to find more people carry them on. You folks deal with financial incentives. It is only natural. And the more bags you have the longer it is going to take. And we can have anecdotal information about how long it is going take but the tsa says 27 more carry on bags when you have those kind of fees to check the bags. Senator blumenthal, thank you for coming on. I wonder how much this is tsa or the fact that the country doesnt have the will or the money to build any new airports any where so the capacity is here is the problem. You are not going to have new airports built by this Summer Travel season. You can take action right away. Better management of tsa. More screeners. Or drive. Good luck on driving. Senator blumenthal, thank you very much. Power lunch is back in two. Qual, and that in a new house, you probably dont share the same tastes as therevious owner. [ dolphin chatters ] so when you need a little house painting or a comple remodel, well help you get the job done right, guaranteed. Get started today at angies list, because your home is where our heart is. Herthey work hard. Ade, wow, that was random. Random . No. Its all about understanding patterns. Like the mail guy at 3 12pm every day or jerry getting dumped every third tuesday. Jerry every third tuesday. We have Pattern Recognition Technology on any chart plus over 300 customizable studies to help you anticipate potential price movement. Theres no way to predict that. Td ameritrade. Treasury yields are soaring. Rick reader. Welcome to power lunch. Were you surprised by what we heard from the fed minutes . And how do you interpret the Market Reaction . Over reaction . Roept . I think the repereaction was appropriate. Hawkish is probably a fair representation i think. I dont think the market is going to be completely surprised by it. Theres been a steady stream of speakers from the fed. Lockheart, williams, rosengren, dudley. Have suggested that the market should be more prepared for moving whether that is june or july. And market expectation for june were pretty much zero percent. And i think the fed whether they were trying to adjust the Market Expectations or and give them a bit more flexibility. And you called that a low probability a june move. Do you still feel that way . Yeah i is still think they are setting up in you know in front of brexit i think is a low probability. Is july on the table . Sure. I think you have to take the fed at its word, if the data supports it especially. The data is critical. So, you know, we think we still think it is hard for the fed to move more than one or two times this year. The fed funds and futures said like a 4 chance. Now they say 24 chance. So it is not baked in they think a hundred chance in by the end of the year in terms of a raise. I would say a couple of things. One thing were a core believer in diversify the fixed income. The u. S. Is going to be the first to have rates rise. And, you know, with todays announcement, todays minutes, you clearly are moving that up a bit. And potentially moving that up a bit. Owning rate risk in places like europe which is going to be slow. Japan clearly is going to be slow. Places like australia, korea that are going to be more deliberate about rate moves we think is the right thing. Diversify fixed income. All on spread assets that are going to be much more zlt in this environment. Closing bell starts right now. Resilient in this environment. Closing bell starts right now. Hi everybody. Welcome to the closing bell. Stocks turning to the downside. Financials getting a pop in the last hour after the fed revealed a june rate hike is still very much on the table. We are were going dig deeper into those comments. An allstar panel coming up. Google announcing its new mobile Virtual Reality platform. What weve built wont be available until