State legislatures, the control of the house, at the moment, but democratic president ial level is rocky. Look back for a moment. Was there any time when you thought she might lose to Bernie Sanders . I cant say that i wasnt nervous. But i never thought she would lose. In the general, people call and say, did you see this . That come back and think, much of this and that much of that. Down the road, we know we will get a bunch of emails and we have a bunch of donors whot suggest had access to her. How much of a threat do you think it is, it giving it is the biggest looming political threat right now. How much of a threat is it . Running a campaign of getting political advice i would say, shut it down. People are going to die. If bob doled , ifthe majority leader george w. Bush is raising money for his library when his son was president , that is fine. A lady sent me an email from a Charity Watchdog group and pointed out that started by george h. W. Bush while he was still in office. I think the foundation is i the thingsis all bill clinton has done, he stop the genocide. The human genome project will end up with our grandchildren and the foundation. But congress has said that they dont like it. No one thinks the Clinton Foundation doesnt do good work. No one argues that. They say it is just a clinton lifestyle. Something for nothing. There are some people on the far right to say that but by and large peak, people acknowledge it is good work. But what we are concerned about is that the clintons have acknowledged they will effectively get out of that business. People look back at the time when she was secretary of state and donors had access to her. It is about the access. Example of access, there was a big ap story what did they get . Nothing. The press has decided that they dont like it. Leadere was the majority and it never bothered them and it didnt bother me when president bush started. They have to have their victory and they will have the victory. What about the Obama White House . They impose limitations on the Clinton Foundation. Thats fine. But they are not the press. Said theyte house could impose whatever limitations. Being,ck that as a human ould say that you need to i think it is a sorry human being. Ologize stephen bannon. Roger ailes. What does that tell you about the campaign . What conclusion can we draw. Well look, the conspiracy they are setting of a news network. I think it will be payperview. Get a real latest message that people out there are ready to rise up and revolt against the elites and the democrats and the whole thing, we will see if they are right in the election cycle. But these guys have no moderating effect. You youust ask dont just see roger ailes as a political opposite. I will tell you, one of the three best in the lifetime. Be is he not someone to if you were running the clinton campaign, would you not be worried at all . Would you not be concerned about roger ailes . On your Campaign Mechanics . I think he is formidable. Donald trump has never had a oneonone debate. Debating against 16 people is entirely different but she has debated president obama a number of times. She has had one on ones with Bernie Sanders. She does fine and debates. You arent say this but supposed to temper expectations down but i think she will do great. She will do great. Aboutre is a discussion you being the standin for the debate. Is there truth to that question . No truth. And it would be stupid for me to do that. Ill tell you why. In order to do this right it takes 100 hours of that. You have to sit there and listen to every cancer that donald trump gives. Every cancer that donald trump gives. There is no way that i will sit down and listen to what hundred hours of tape with donald trump. I dont know what they will be again it has to be somebody knows every answer to any question he has ever given at the only way you can do that is to go through all of the tapes and all of the questions. Way. Nt be done any other unbelievable preparation. Do you think the country will ever come back to where we have a landslide election . Think with the Republican Party, it has construed and it was very difficult. Will happen in this election, i can tell you. The wall street journal will say, this election didnt count. She really didnt win. She really shouldnt appoint anyone to the Supreme Court. We need to wait to have a real election. I can already tell you that is whats going to happen. Up next, the new developments on the clinton email controversy. Welcome back. As Hillary Clintons email saga continues, republicans are accusing her of perjury, claiming she was not honest about her practices in the 11 hour hearing last year. Our next guest sent a six page letter outlining a potential case. , thankessman from utah you for being here. And being the second most famous utahian i have heard of. Budge cassidy. The most favorite ever. Im really proud of myself for saying that. Here, saying email. This morning, news broke that ,here are 15,000 new emails previously undisclosed, that the fbi has. What do you think that means . We are to get at the truth. It is hillary who started this in the first place. Inspector general found there was classified information floating in a nonclassified situation. I was stunned when i heard the testimony from the fbi director that as they did the yearlong probe they never looked at the testimony from Hillary Clinton on capitol hill when she raised her hand and was under oath. Im trying to figure out. The fbi has now sent you a bunch of material. I know there is confusion about there being different rethink looks. What is the basic deal with what you think is wrong here. Do you think the fbi is in the tank for Hillary Clinton . I have the greatest respect for the fbi. James comey is not in a political situation. I come to a different conclusion on the law. He is caught up on intent. I think there was intent. The fact that she set up the server that she started her senate hearing. The fact that she didnt want to have to report this information and never make it public. But when you are secretary of state, your official dealings are of public interest. And it is one of the biggest breaches of National Security that i have seen. And that is the worry. What i want people back home to understand is that there is not just one email service and hey, i forward it on here. No, there is a separate, secure system for classified social media and a nonsecure system. How is it that she is extracting ontoand transferring that a nonsecure server . I want to focus on the perjury question. Very serious. Now, a republican anomaly. Issued a scathing broadside against you, saying that you guys are engaged in politicalisgusting efforts to smear Hillary Clinton. And it seems like a lot of what the dispute comes back to is the intent. You must know that you were lying. And your argument is that it doesnt matter . That is what part of perjury is about . The intentute says to house this in a nonsecure setting and that is clearly what she did. She gave between 210 people access who didnt have security clearance access to classified information. And it was because of the inspector general. Cracks but none of those go to the perjury question . What she told the fbi. Is basicallyment that there is no intent to deceive any evidence in the record. What the fbi director testified to is that he did not look at her under oath. Politicians lie. But it is a whole different level when you come to congress undergrowth under oath and give testimony. The fact that the fbi had never looked at that, he needed a referral, a politician, right . Are you lying to me right now . No. I just want to make sure. You said politicians lie. Why is utah in play . Hillary clinton is within striking distance. I was a placekicker once upon a time in college. Fully happy, confident and excited about the party . Much more so than Hillary Clinton. Absolutely. I find her to look into the camera and lied to the american people. It is far better in context in terms of Hillary Clinton. Always an extraordinary pleasure. Not quite as famous as bush cassidy. Does code dueling strategists from opposite sides of the aisle. The former chair of the Republican Party is with us from washington, d. C. Los angeles, California Democratic strategist bill burton, thank you for joining us. Lets start with you, chairman. Inone can still pivot american politics, it feels like the Donald Trump Campaign is engaged in a kind of pivot as the candidate has been talking laudably about president obamas deportation policies. The last week of outreach to minority voters. And i listed, aspirational messages. How effective is any of this . I dont think it is necessarily effective to those constituencies that are not down with trump. I think the vast majority of the black community has long made up its mind. Be 1 onr wont election day but it certainly wont be 20. I know there is a lot more work to do there. Certainly on the immigration front. Again, a lot of bridges burnt with the hispanic community. But the conversation goes beyond those two constituencies. Face going really in your to those voters who are still on the fence and undecided. Yes, there are still some. Whoto white female voters are looking at this race and we getg to look at it as to labor day and beyond. So i think it is an appropriate time to pivot. We know this is a slight para slight payment. An effort to move the narrative on two fronts. One of them on Hillary Clinton identify other constituencies. Let me ask you this question about the Washington Post story today. Inside Donald Trumps new , counter review that he is racist. Not a great headline. Any bluntly speaking he is doing this a lot. I thought he might do this for a couple of days but he is doing this in a sustained way. He is going to start going to work and talking to actual black people. So seriously, does this height does this help . Huh, maybe think he is not a racist . It is so disingenuous and the way he is going about it is so condescending. Talking about the Africanamerican Community like it is a crimeridden neighborhood. Its not. It is a lot more complicated than that. Morenk a lot of people are have more common sense than to think that the way donald trump is talking about this will have any impact. It is not a great sign if your Vice President ial nominee is laughing at the strategy in interviews. So i dont think it is going that well. I think it is more dramatic. But chairman, to bills point, i like that we get deep into choreography, isnt there a risk . Trump trump will get presumably more than 2 of the black vote in swing states but i wonder, using the language he is using, painting the picture of black america as one mired in apocalypticrty, and despond instead apparently all black americans live in, doesnt that run the risk of alienating at least some of the people he would like to have . It does. Argument, talking just about the horrors that may or givent exist in every community is one conversation. While ignoring those good things ,hat actually are happening where folks are taking their own initiative. They are not relying on a program or some government out of or Something Like that. ,ut a genuine effort grassroots, native to the community, whether it is entrepreneurs or teachers or local Community Leaders who are trying to deal with systemic issues. I think what donald trump has to do is marry the two fullrsations and give a throated and realistic view of what is happening in the community. Share with me how you propose to get to the next level. On the democratic side, i will ask you this question. You were with the Obama Campaign and you were in the white house when the administration started. I think we are both aware that president obama wanted to have a big wall between the Clinton Foundation and the secretary of state office. Knowing what we now currently no , do you think she abided by the spirit of what he wanted from her in terms of shielding herself from donors . Absolutely. I think she absolutely did. And if you look at this story, it is such a small sliver of Clinton Foundation donors and meetings that she had. 185re talking about meetings out of 17,000. 85 donors out of 7000. Do you think president obama, if i asked him in 2009, whether hes envisioned a state department Clinton Foundation department donors do you think he would say yes, thats fine . I dont think the president would being gauged but i think if you are talking about a Nobel Laureate coming into cb secretary of state, someone who has done more to lift people out of poverty, he would say yes. Gates and are not youbest examples but if look at the exitentry rules, do you think president obama would be happy if half of the civilians he met with were Obama Campaign donors . Not half. F all, it is it is a small and tiny sliver that she met with. President obama had meetings with people who had also given him money during the time he was president. Think it should be a surprise to anyone and i dont think it should be as hyped up as it is by the media. Will visitor we had a visitor a guy whos been a part , of sesame street and is currently one of the stars of the hottest ticket in the country, hamilton, the very model of modern major musicals. He is chris jackson, who plays the very first president of these united states, george washington. We covered a lot of ground with chris, working on a show in a politically divisive era. 2016, if think about the euro winners and extraordinary amount of interest in politics. Everyone is a zest with whats going on. In the cultural realm, theres nothing that people are more obsessed with the show you are in. Your show has been hugely unifying. The right loves that, left loves it. I dont do a lot of things were surprising to you. How surprised are you that there has been so much ideological coming together over the greatness of the show . If you like church. Morning,g on sunday because you are supposed to be there, you need to be there. You get something from it, because your parents dread you. Are either way you walk in a church not so mad. You let things calm down a little bit. Nobody wants to do that in this day and age. There in the middle of school yard swing and everybody and screaming. Thats the one gets all the attention. Theres that. Our show welcomes everyone under the banner that america is not perfect, but they had the same kind of divisiveness, if not more so. Yet were still here having the arguments. That says something i think to the greater point which is its a really good idea. We have to keep trying to find it. When people talk about how divisive this current Election Year is, having done this musical, do you feel like you have a greater sort of tolerance for division knowing what you know about the Founding Fathers and the fractious debates and duels they used to get into . I feel like i have a little more patience for the process of it, accept that this is the way we are and for me part of doing the show is a means to push against the ocean a little bit and say hey, there is a better way we can do it. Eventually, everyone gets tired, exhausted from it. Unfortunately, that usually is the voting public and once the election is over, everyone is exhausted and no one wants to be involved any more. My hope is that a show like hamilton keeps that interest piqued, like the 15 or 16yearold kids say im going to pay a little bit more attention about what happened before i was born. I can understand the context and have a context for whats happening now. You are a west wing fan, right . Oh, of course. Big, like, political junkies on the cast of hamilton. What is the talk . How much have you followed the events the last year . Its tricky because weve met almost, well, over half of the sitting cabinet right now. Theyve all been in the show. Some multiple times. Yeah. A few times. We spent a little time in washington, which was kind of nice. At the white house . Yes, we did. Weve meet Supreme Court judges. Its such an incredible array of people from the beltway and entertainment and everything. We were putting the show together, there was a lot of conversation about it just because it was easy to see the relevance of what was happening and what we were talking about and we were still sort of understanding, discovering what our show was. Were you gassed when, like, cabinet secretaries were coming to the show . Yeah, a few times. Absolutely. None of that is lost on us. We were in the east room of the white house performing for the president this last spring. When it was all over, he stood up and thanked me and the cast and when he finished his remarks, i was about to take pictures, i burst out crying. I had to find his shoulder to compose myself. I stood up thinking about it, like my grandmother who was so concerned about us being awoke, being citizens, being black active citizens in our community and our country. She dreamt so many things for me but never dreamt that moment. But she gave me the rocket fuel to keep pushing forward. And there were 100 or so kids in the audience that day and thats the thought i have when i think about the show, we keep being put in places where we can reach someone whose mind is still willing to learn and not have the kind of opinions that keep them on one side or the other, but just allow them to be curious and discover all the ideas. When you can be in that position, life is good. The work is good. So, obama. Having given the speech at the convention, his last really big political speech to a multimillion audience, he has one more speech to give that is planned, unless theres a tragedy or a war, which is his farewell address. And you have meditated about the farewell address. There is a song in the show about it, one last time. ,ashington, our first president not to do the same thing did the same thing. What are you hoping to hear obama talk about in his farewell address . I think a lot about that in terms of where he was, which was desperately seeking relief from the office that he held. [laughter] he needed to be done, you know . And thats, for me, every night thats what the song really represents is a an expression of the strength and hope that the office gives you but also the fact that it breaks you down until you have nothing left. Until three words are all you can really say and thats what one last time really represents to me and in endeavoring to pass that sense of hope off to the American Public and the american idea at large. President obama filled i think a majority of the country with hope in 2008 and the Campaign Leading up to it. I was hopeful. And not just the symbolism of seeing his face, you know, every time i looked at the president , knowing that thats, that man looks like me. More like me and knows my experience more than perhaps any other president in the history of our country. My hope is that he is able to reignite that fire in all of us. Us its not about winning or losing, its about moving the ideas forward and finding better ways to be americans and representing this country. Life ande some sort of hope for kids. Hes a big fan of the musical. But he also sort of takes credit a little bit. [laughter] how real is that . Because i know he heard the mix tape and then went to the white house. Can he claim any part of the sort of hamilton success . Correct the record or dont. Well, president ial prerogative, right . I can say he certainly helped. Knowing lin as well as i do, if he didnt have that moment to write for and to perform it and to find the spark in the words that came to him early on, who can say of whether will or not it would have this sounds like credit is being given. Lin gives him a little bit of credit, with a wink. Look, the president has been so gracious and kind to us and if i were in his shoes i would take credit for it, too [laughter] you are a veteran. I dont know people understand your amazing career on broadway. You have the lion king, where simba. Yed december the show is different though. Talk about the Emotional Energy of putting this show together, in comparison to others you have done which are equally blockbuster huge shows . Im older than i was. [laughter] that is a copout. Thats real 40 is the new 30. Until you do eight shows a week. 40 is the new 60. Its exhausting in a way unlike any other show ive ever done. There are more words in this show than almost every shakespeare play and because the whole thing is sung through, once that first down beat happens it doesnt stop. Its got intermission but thats sort of a fiveminute recovery and then start adding the layers of velvet and things you have to wear for the second act. Its a long show. Were performing an opera eight times a week. Opera singers sing maybe three times a month. Its a different, just from a technical performance aspect. And you know life happens outside the show. It does . Outside of work . Yeah, you miss a lot. You have to try to keep up with it. I always say you are never 100 when you do a broadway show. You are navigating whatever percentage of energy, health, strength you have and because this show, everyone in the show, were climbing this mountain in the first act and the second act were all climbing down this same mountain. We all emotionally have the same kind of experience the audience has in terms of where were ending up at the end of the show, were all awash with it. Thats why after the show the stage becomes a green room. Im generally not leaving the theater for like an hour after the curtain comes down because it takes that much time to come down and to be able to have conversations with people who have come and taking pictures and youre just communing with folks. It becomes a very spiritual experience by the end of the show. Everyone has sort of seen worshiped at the altar of america for a little while. And were all sort of hung over a little bit by it and people are trying to process what theyve seen or felt, as are we. To make a house call to address the claims on Hillary Clintons health. Stay tuned, thats dr. s orders. I think hillary is tired. I do. When i saw hillary at the press conference sitting down, the democratic appointed police chief claiming she was propolice was one of the most pathetic press conferences i have ever seen. First of all, she looked sick. Alex that was americas mayor, sorry, onetime mayor of an American CityRudy Giuliani questioning Hillary Clintons health. This is not new in the Donald Trump Campaign. It started this month with a video portraying Hillary Clinton as a stuttering, shortcircuited robot. A week later, donald trump questioned her strength and stamina. Last week, his national spokeswoman, someone who is not a medically trained doctor, katrina pearson, she offered her own medical diagnosis. He has said she does not have the strength or the stamina for a very long time. That part is nothing new. What is new on the other reports of the observations of Hillary Clintons behavior in many and mannerisms, specifically with what you just showed in this previous clips as well as her dysphasia, the fact that she has fallen she has had a concussion. John the Donald Trump Campaign has been getting some direction, from the hand on the end of this proctology exam, the conservative media. Like the drudge report, which posted an old photo of Hillary Clinton with the tagline hillary conquers the stairs. And also breitbart attacking the media for staying quote strangely silent on this issue. Alex then there was sean i never claimed to be a journalist, hannity who brought the fox news medical18 for a full clinton physical, and to make it seem legitimate, he brought props. You know, the picture you showed, going up the stairs speaks a million words. Is really fatigues, dehydrated . One of the reasons she fell in 2012 and have a concussion was severe dehydration. They are holding her and going up the stairs, so she maybe really dehydrated, arthritis, back pain, may have fallen again. There are a lot more questions that are unanswered. Alex well, as it turns out, we can buy costumes as well. Rudy giuliani backed to the wild assertions with the one source of medical knowledge that no one should question, the internet. There is nothing factual to the claims about her health and that is speculation at best. Go online and put down Hillary Clinton illness and take a look at the videos for yourself. John taking our cue from that helpful tip, we decided to jump right in on the old internet machine. We looked at Hillary Clinton illness and we found multiple articles debunking these wild eyed, lunatic conspiracy theories. We also thought, lets see what is up with this rudy guy so we googled Rudy Giuliani dementia. We came up with that he may be suffering from dementia. At the medical experts at something called the ring of fire, who have about as much medical expertise as we did. This, as i remove my surgical scrubs. Alex you need to keep your hands sterile. For the pending operation. John the anatomy of a smear, conspiracy theory. Alex putting on costumes was a questionable decision made very very quickly during a commercial break. John i think these claims are ridiculous and is garbage. Alex this has been going on for a long time. I do not think, there are a cannot leave a bunch of things that Trump Campaign has to choose from, the magic, dysphasia, of the medical terms that begin with d there are other things they can focus on. John if you do not have a medical degree, shut up. Even if you have a medical degree like meteorologist. Be right back. More of the best of with all due respect, after this word from our sponsors. Thank you for watching this weeks the best of with all due respect. You can listen on the radio at bloomberg. Com. We will see you on monday. Until then, sayonara. Emily i am emily chang and this is the best of bloomberg west, where we bring you all of our top interviews. Uber faces the challenge of profitability. Uber is said to have lost at least 1. 2 billion so far this year. What does that say about the Business Model . Tim cook marks five years at the helm of apple, taking a look at his tenure. The front page of the internet is answering your questions, talking to the cofounders of re