After Donald Trumps campaign changes this week, many eyes are cast on the cast of characters advising the nominee. We will talk about if you them to start off. He will begin with the ceo of team trunk, breitbart executive bannon. There are profiles galore about his eclectic repertoire. He has been called a conservative media provocateur and the single most influential figure in the trunk campaign. Other news organizations dubbed and astreet fighter media bob feller. Bombthrower. Interview he has done is with our own bloomberg culley, in which he insists trump can work with the Republican Party. Faring . His bannon brand donny it has been no secret that i have said all along, trump the man, he wants himself to run and never expected to be here, and he doesnt want to lose. He is literally going into the revolution business. He is doubling down obviously. Do you know its been a beating antiestablishment for Republican Senate democrats. The map does not add up. But coming out of the election, if he is not a loser, but i have 40 Million People following me. I did not lose. This is a media Political Technology empire with basically trump as the media guy at as the salesman. Loses. Even if he it just got clear to me. Mark bannon should not let himself be so defined by others. He has an impressive resume. He is responsible at breitbart. There has been a lot that is negative, dark. Three has a record of accomplishment as a businessman. I have not done any clearance, or what i read exactly what hes going to do. Easy charge of message, building a future network . I have no idea. I can tell you the press, the filter they are putting on him is the one a lot want to put on trump shes going to go dark and negative. That seems to be the impression. The bannon brand is infecting the trump brand in a negative way. Donny this will be a new media party representing those 340,000,000 people trump has hit. His new campaign manager, kelly conway,ay kellyanne who has gotten glowing reviews establishment republicans. Prolife grouphe lists no one is better at understanding what real people are thinking. The wall street Editorial Board wrote she is a neoconservative with a talent for connecting voters that are not policy wonks. She says she has been humbled by the incoming price. And after to Campaign Managers do, she directed the good vibes towards her boss. The first female Republican Campaign manager. I did not know that, nor did donald trump ever mention that to me. You know why . That is not what he promoted me. That speaks very well of him. He has been doing that in the Trunk Corporation four years. Trump corporation for years. Donny in the same interview, conway tried to find the sweet spot between wedding trump be trump and keeping his message on track. Kellyanne we would like him to give speeches like he has this week. Lindsay delivers a speech in his own words, then people can focus on the content. I think we are going to sharpen the message. We are going to make sure that donald trump is comfortable about being in his own skin, that he does not lose authenticity. Voters know if you are comfortable in your own skin. If he wants to go to a rally and neck with a crowd in a way that is just connect with a crowd that is spontaneous, that is how he got here. At the same time, we have pressing problems in this country. I am thrilled we have gotten so much coverage for the first two speeches. Next week is immigration week, followed by education week. Donny same question for you, how is the Kellyanne Conway brand doing . Mark the opposite. She has always bridged the bird that bridged the gap between the establishment arianism and the voters. And she hasts her been in other president ial campaigns. Some people are knocking her that she has never won a president ial campaign not many people have. Her brand is thriving, and it is helping troubled a lot. Trump a lot. Donny alpha males like trump like people of the same temperament. That is a war that has taken him down a lot, but if you look at people that are rising to the top, its the people that are smart and tough, not nambypamby people. Ony spend so much time finding out who their people are 80 40s from the campaign. Mark he needs help because he is an amateur. I dont mean that in a negative way, he has never run for anything. Donald trumps staffing shovel has been viewed as a slight to the Campaign GermanPaul Manafort. Some argue that he has been sidelined in part for trying to control the candidate to much. The editor of the National Review depicted manafort as having been ousted. The campaign pushing back on any insistence that his power has been diminished. Manafort in the campaign are dealing with a constant iv drip of news stories with his ties to russia and the ukraine. Nbc news reported in 2008, manaforts firm was involved in a ukrainian oligarch. He did business with a russian billionaire also, and allegedly had times had ties to organized crime. Campaign should expect more of these stories to come. Besides business dealings, how is the manafort doing and how has it impacted trumps . Donny once new people come in, and the guy is in charge and this whole russian thing that the bbc is reporting. 40,000 Russian Troops assembling on the ukrainiancrimean border. You do not want that guy around. He is getting trump to not be trump. For all of the above, i think he will be gone in a couple of weeks. Mark these stories are a problem because trump has been so close to putin, or at least rhetorically. I dont think you are right. The Clinton Campaign has 10 senior people dealing with all the stuff he needs to deal with. There is a lot of work left for Paul Manafort to do. Big budget decisions, big political decisions, putting the correlations together. The work is being divided up, but he still has a big portfolio. Donny you are comparing the Clinton Campaign trump ran a momandpop business. Teaches a people gut person. What you are saying is logical given how this candidate has run his campaign. I dont see a place for m anafort. Mark when we come back, donald trump is about to roll of his first general election tv spot. Where, when, and what, after these words from our sponsors. Mark since the national convention, Hillary Clintons campaigns bent 22 million in tv dollars. Thats about to change, donald trump rolling out his first election spots. He has reserved 3. 9 million in ohio, north carolina, florida, and pennsylvania tomorrow through august. Cap will likely become bigger, including some ad buys on cable. Clintonarison, the campaign will spend 17 million over that same time. We dont know what the ads will look like. His team was looking at several different options regarding content. Before we talk about what those spots might look like, lets take a peek at the spots currently airing, starting with the democrats and their many antitrump messages. When i saw donald trump attack another gold star mother, i felt such a sense of outrage. What donald trump said about our members of the military being captured is a disgrace. You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever. You have to ask yourself, do i want a person of that temperament controlling the Nuclear Codes . As of now, i have to say no. [laughter] at we make the economy work for everyone . Hillary clintons plan start here. Donny now here are some of the clinton as already on the airwaves. Shes one of the wealthiest women in politics. We came out of the white house not only that broke, but in debt. Wall street insiders, drew corrupt dictators. They all had one thing in common, their check, cleared. I never told anybody to lie. She does not believe in your right to keep a gun at home for selfdefense. I dont think there is any way to legislate against outsourcing. I think that is a dead end. , leaving youtouch defenseless. The probe trump groups arriving those anticlinton messages. Runningrump groups those anticlinton messages. Donny i think it will go down so nasty. Are going tos ads frame hillary not only has untrustworthy, but a crook been part of this establishment that is los angeles and new york, media politicians. Its going to be very nasty and conspiratorial type. All the discussion has been on trump. He needs to go extreme in the ads. Even if they are outright lying, coming u it will shift the campn back to hillary. You will see a nasty interpretation at a level we have never seen before. What about showing him being optimistic at rallies . Pro donaldets his trump with all the media coverage. Its not the crowds, but the media coverage. Today, it has been on donald trump. Whoever makes it a referendum on the other one will win. Mark so you dont think hes going to run any bio spots . Donny no, hes not going to be having babies. Babies. Hugging you have to come out with a pretty ugly alternative to get people off the fear of that. Mark do you think they will do emails, whitewater . Donny all of the above. Her health, bill clintons philandering. We cant take this in this country anymore. Mark we shall knows in. With all the focus on trunk, we will look at some of the Hillary Clinton stories from this week when we come back. Donny with the potential turbulence within team trump, Hillary Clinton has been under the radar. To talk about what we may have missed under the clinton world i cannot speak today. I have to stop drinking before the show. [laughter] with us, casey hunt and jennifer epstein. Jennifer, let me start with you. There shouldve been a lot more talk about clinton. Its interesting the kind of health conspiracy theory. She fired back hard. Were you surprised they came back so hard . Jennifer the Clinton Campaign percolated. Trump talked about it on hannitys show a couple times. Wanted to do was let the media ecosystem respond to it naturally. To let Fact Checkers do they are debunking, and then finally they swooped in. They released a statement from Communications Directors they are trying to change what should have been something on the defensive into an offensive. One aide compared it to help president obama dealt with the birth certificate issue. Donny mark and i thought it was smart. Something else that could have been big news, the fbi interview notes going up to the hill. Are you surprised there has not been more on that . Jennifer yeah, when something gets to the hill republicans we goes pretty quickly. One thing that Chuck Grassley noted last night, there is a bit of classified information next in with mostly nonclassified information. Which means that a very limited number on the Congressional Staff can actually read those notes. That i think is slowing down the whole process. The Clinton Campaign is ok with that because they dont want these selective leaks that end up making the story look worse. Mark i want to get to your overlook stuff. Talk about the Health Care Response and the fbi notes. Decided theylearly needed to play defense here, which they havent on a lot of things before. Things trump has raised on the stump. He has talked about bill clintons sex scandals in the 1990s. They said, we are going to be totally handsoff. I am interested in learning more why this that is, seems like a potentially bigger threat. On the emails, this is really difficult to understand if you are the average voter, right . You are down in the weeds with jason chaffetz, whats the difference between an email header that is classified, exactly. It seems that the goal is to motivate Republican Base voters that are ready to believe republicans that will say this is a problem for her. Mark there is like its between the americans held in iran and more0 billion stories about rush in syria. Overlook on see the her foreignpolicy record and credentials . Kasie one thing that trump has been handing to Hillary Clinton is the opportunity to talk about him, but never talk about herself. She has been able to escape and has not answered the latest iteration of this question. The wall street journal have raised this earlier. For the most part, she dismissed it. She has been supportive of this deal. She has not been asked, was this a good idea . She has not recently been asked whether this was a policy the u. S. Should be revisiting. Mark it could come up at the next press conference. Jennifer there was not really an opportunity to ask. s new team is going to go more negative and nasty than ever. I have a theory that traditionally it might backfire. Even though 68 of the country say its going in the wrong direction. People responded to the more positive talk in the conventions. Kasie when donald trump first won the nomination, there was a willingness. People were going to say oh, this is interesting, but suddenly he has won the nomination, and maybe i should take a look. Through the conventions you see that willingness dissipate a little bit. I wonder if the sense of the electorate will move that way. General. Re over in if they are able to help drive the president s numbers down, that could hurt. What is your sense on the Health Question in particular . You have a sense of why you thought that was a threat . Er i think they wanted to point out how ridiculous it was how what trump and his allies have been saying. I think its crazy to say that she is in bad health. Mark comparing it to the birther thing. Public polls showed a High Percentage of americans questioned whether the president was born in the united states. This is a Pretty Research oriented campaign. I do not ask them. Anecdotally, ive had a lot of friends that dont pay a lot of attention to politics asked me, whats the deal with her health . Mark even if only two people say it, thats enough. Aides wereclinton supposed to take ethics training and it didnt, is this story a thing . Kasie this is one of those incremental stories that could blow up or fade. But its the kind of headline that absent the noise with the Trump Campaign jennifer theres so much noise from the Trump Campaign that its overshadowing and drowning out all these questionable clinton things. Donny thats why i think the advertising will go really nasty. Can you read and take us out of that . Kasie im going to thank jennifer epstein. Mark you can praise our guests. Donny you have to say, coming up. Kasie camille, a tale of two strategists after this. Time to talk a little strategy. By john, thenow advisor oftegist, an the new york Republican Party. A democratic advisor, traveling chief of staff to Vice President al gore. Clinton. R hillary who are you for . The Republican Party. Yeah. Are you voting for donald trump . Absolutely. Hes from new york, you know that. Absolutely. Im a new yorker. Like to do a little strategy swap. Trump campaign, Kellyanne Conway acknowledged today its behind, so you guys have got catching up to do. Giving advice to donald trump and Kellyanne Conway, what would you tell them . Tot are the Building Blocks a comeback . Message discipline. Mr. Trump could focus on a couple of key messages and not jobhe Clinton Campaigns for them which two messages . Not ast of all, this is specific message but its a broader strategy. He needs to restore his as an acceptable alternative in a change election year. That . Do you do well, its complicated. And hes worked hard to and i dont think intentionally, but he has disqualified himself among strands of the general electorate. By the way, i thought the roundtable he did the other day, at least the optics on National Security made sense, giving policy speeches and sticking to oressage on teleprompter not, its important that he show he can be a president. If he doesnt get that back, all the negative attacks, all the tough ads, he doesnt have enough of the electorate to come election. In the what should joel and company for hillary right now . I say ditto. When you look at hillary, shes dodging the press for a little bit under a year now. So that would actually feed into that shes sentiment not trustworthy, that shes hiding something. John, if she were your iient and she said, john, hate press conferences. Im up 10 points. Youd say, go do some press conferences . At least do one or two, right. Did on fox she youre in this business. You know that every day that is about trump on the news, she wins. But she has to hedge. Hedge or not, its the right strategy. Its the right strategy. If i was managing her campaign, i would keep her under wraps as as we possibly can. But make every day about trump . Canou know how things change very quickly. Im talking about right now. If she doesnt actually do likehing thats sort of good will, put some good will in least, if you will, by at doing one press conference before the debates, and how the debates go maybe on an august friday. Go. Here you bury it, right there are some people who make the case to her, get it done. Or at least a saturday afternoon. Youre saying a presser taking questions . Yeah. At least 15 minutes. True. I think its both candidates, id spend an extra hour a day on debate prep. Going to be the last real impact moment with a national audience, a chance to change the dynamic of the race. If im secretary clinton, im in there, making sure im ready for any hay marker thats going to come her way. Trump m let me just reference this brilliant mans book. Know that donald trump, theres so many questions you can ask him. Im not talking about, tell me the year croatia was liberated. Im talking basic 101, tell me the difference between a sunni and a shiite. Do you prepare him for that . First of all, hes not going to be able to compete with her on policy. Very few people can. I dont know many of her staff people that could keep up with the detailsinton on of public policy. But hes got to be able to deliver a message. Keyuld pick two or three messages that id try to draw a make suren her and whatever the question is 90minute debate he did a great job through debates,epublican pulling everybody into what he wanted to focus on. 101, though, right . Actually, you might have three people in the race. Maybe. You never know. The two Vice President ial candidates are in, i think, as shape as any ive seen in the sense that both clinton and trump, im told, really happy with their picks. And both these guys are out events, notlots of really shackled in any way. Do you see them as cancelling each other out . Is one of them helping the other out more at this point . No. Theyre serving different roles. All, i actually think both of them made good picks, for different reasons. Them have one eye on potentially the future in the next cycle. And so the calculation for both of them is different. Say for senator kaine in particular, his ability to her, to deliver a message thats complementary to hers has been crucially important. And for governor pence, its been reassurance to some of the audiences that want to make sure theres going to be, you know, an adult in charge or somebody can help guide the ship, if they get elected. Very different things. Strong is a conservative. I think that speaks to the basis of basics of the Republican Party and those that are far right, especially those that are ben carson, the ted cruz camp, to make sure that, you know what . Inhave a conservative thats the white house. But those are questions, you trump is more to right. Dle or to the and i think, you know, as we move along in the election process, trump is proving himself to have more rightleaning views. Mark, this is the first time in the election, two candidates 100 brand it have a awareness. Neither of these guys can make a difference. Is that fair to say . The way youve talked about it is right. Theyre both helping in big the, as big as you can at bottom of the ticket. Theyre both going to log a lot coverage, which is really important. Are your candidates who are on the ballot in new york this year about the prospect of a blowout at the top of the ticket . I think when you look at what the primary, you know, we had a lot of people come out. Are excited, the fact trump won every county except for one. One. Is but so the energy is very high. You know, we dont really expect to win much in new york city, given the numbers. I think its 71 ratio. When you look at new york 2. 5 or 31. More are you going to have a strong candidate for mayor next year . Absolutely. Be . Ho is it gonna in due time. One race at a time. Ha ha the journal today, they raised the prospect of a blowout for Hillary Clinton. Are you hearing democrats more dont take anything for granted, races are going to are more people thinking about i hear both. People. W a lot of there are two conversations going on. I think justifiably people are concerned about turnout. To make sure people stay focused till the very end of this race, that people dont complacent. You also hear talk of the expansion. We hear states like arizona and missouri, we havent seen a very a long time, in long time. And so i do think people are looking at the map and theyre numbers in those states in a different way. Okay. You, gentlemen, both. When we come back, were headed to break down some of the latest. If you are watching us in to usgton, d. C. , listen on bloomberg 99. 1fm. Be right back. Polls and more polls. There are a lot of polls out there, and polls lead to a lot of questions. When we have questions about polls, we either get on a plane to des moines, iowa, or we do to next best thing. We bring des moines here to gotham city. Our pollster, who is going to answer two Big Questions that up. Coming the first thing i get asked about all the time, and i dont have great answers but you do, polls now look at likely voters, some look at registered voters, some pollsters ask both within a given poll, why not one and go with it . To be perfectly honest, two different philosophies. There are those who say ill at all thewell look data. This many men, this many women on everything we know. They dont want to do that until close to the election. Which tends to be after labor day. Before that, so they have lookhing to look at, they at registered voters, so they can look at times one, times two, times three, times four, and have a trend line. Registeredit to voters for consistently, and then then you have the shift change where theyre switching to likely voters. Pollsters like i am, who say let the voters tell me who is a likely voter. How can i predict this election in particular, really any election, because theres so now that the electorate changes from cycle to cycle to cycle. Like obama brings in more africanamericans or or young people and theyre better at turnout than the poll might predict. Do you kind of layer in both and theonal battleground overall snapshot, has anybody come back for that . We took a look from the see what of polling to had been happening in election after election. You have some elections like eisenhower who led in polls in the beginning and end. But there have been several that surprises and twists and turns and changes of leads. So people have mostly been about dukakis being behind as much as 19 points, but leading by as much as 17 points. To beat. Bush went on him rather handily. But there was a time that carter leading ford by a lot more. That turned to be a very close race. Ford was able to make up where he was in august by time. On that is 16 percentage points. Back to 1968. You had Hubert Humphrey at only 29 points. Up toas the closest race that point in time. So looking back in history, you can say anything can happen. This race in particular, and with every day there being a new bit of news breaking that can change the poll, anything can happen. And its safe to say that while it is possible that trump could come back, leaving aside the conduct of his campaign, leads in theat past, he can certainly narrow this contest . Could. Ertainly coming all the way back, maybe a taller order than has done. L been people have come back by more points than hes trailing. Hes dug a hole he cant get out of i think is overstating the case. Des moines, explaining it all to us, rather than going to the iowa state fair. Choice. Thank you and well be right back. Throughout this president ial campaign, supporters and critics alike have commented a lot about choices. Umps word certainly trump speaks in a very distinctive language. A vernacular of simple, often effective, words and many, many expressions. You can call them idioms or filler phrases. Them the trump abcs. For a long time, weve been listening to what donald trump republic. Tonight we present what we believe is the definitive of the trump alphabet, naturally in alphabetical order. Accomplish what nobody thought was absolutely possible. Absolutely. Be. Bsolutely proven to absolutely a total lie. Absolutely. Absolutely. I know more about isis than me. 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These other companies, they and they spend millions of dollars looking for oil. Millions and millions of jobs. Relationship with that. I dont think ive ever met him. Never met him. Honestly, i dont know david duke. I dont believe ive ever met him. Guy, rickets or something. I never met him. And he was sweating so badly, i have never seen anything like it. Weve never seen anything like it. With ben carson was terrible. Ive never seen anything like that. Ive never seen anything like it. Were gonna vote like youve never seen before. Like youve never seen before. Oh, boy oh, boy it always will be. Okay . Okay . Okay . Okay. Okay. Thats enough. Sayingt of people are that. And a lot of people are saying that bad things are happening out there. Saying. E are i promise you, i will pay for the legal fees. I can promise you. Definitely over there, no question about it. He certainly lives above his means, no question about that. It. O question about theres no question about it. 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Thousands and thousands. Thousands. Were gonna win so much, youre gonna get tired of winning. Andoure gonna get sick tired of winning. Theyll get tired of winning. Libya is a total mess. Mess. S a total total mess. Total mess. I have a Great Company with tremendously talented people. Tremendous cash flow in tremendous net worth. Understanding of this country. Our message is unbelievable. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. I dont believe this this is unbelievable. Nobody believes it. Press is so dishonest and so unfair. I thought they were very unfair. Its unfair. I was very viciously attacked. Viciously. Viciously. Cant believe, i it. Wow wow. And i said, wow wow said oh, wow. I call it extreme. Extreme. Extreme vetting. He referred to my hands, betball, Something Else must small. I guarantee you, theres no problem. Guarantee you. At thetake a look salaries being paid, whats going on at the colleges. You just take a look at on. s going New Hampshire has a huge heroin problem. Believer ine cleanness. Im not a huge believer in the phenomenon. Ng lindsay gray has zero. How do you get 0 . Zeros zero, zero. Bush. They put that masterpiece together. [applause] yeah. What do you think of the way trump talks . Um, thats that man. I think that actually helps him. Queens guy. Thats the way we talk. You choke on it, you know. So that takes him off the billionaire pedestal and puts him, connects him to the man on can laugh ato we it. Its actually very effective. And thats entertaining. Hate tok a long time, i tell you. But i absolutely think we got them all in, believe me. Back with a final word, after this. Last couple of weeks, i want to thank the great john for his seat warmp while hes been on vacation. This tremendous crew. You. Eat to be with bloomberg west is on your t. V. Next. Thanks for watching tomorrow, same bad time, same bad channel. 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