President. 31 and john kasich has 25 . Them inrump beats headtohead matchups. His delegate count improved. Won the utah caucuses by such a large margin that he got all of the delegates. Big i asked him about the news of the day, getting the endorsement of jeb. His party is beginning to see him as the only trump alternative. Are of it is people who less interested in stopping you, versus using you as a vehicle to stop donald trump. I welcome support for any reason. The object is to win. In an interview we did, we talked a lot about the terrorist attacks in brussels. Crisis how he says the affects his candidacy. Aump every time we have problem in the world, i will do better. I want. Not what i would rather have no problems and do worse. I think that, every time we have a problem, i do better. When there is a Big National Security type problem, i go up, because people view me as stronger. And the have our polls Foreign Policy stuff with brussels. Where does that leave us . Has changed in the republican race. Donald trump still has a chance to get the nomination before the convention. Ted cruz is alive. Wisconsin will be a real battle royal. John kasich has dropped and ted cruz is in a strong position to have this as a twoperson race. I believe wisconsin will be a big deal and i believe that, right now, john kasich has a few states where he has a chance to perform. In the shortterm, what the last 24 hours does is elevate the National Security debate. Pointed this out on a couple of occasions and we chatted about a debate of substance on for policy. Ted cruz and dont from have different ideas on how to and donald trump have different ideas on how to conduct for policy. There is an emerson poll that and donaldz a 36 trump at 35 . If john kasich drops, it will be soldier on, if you cannot make wisconsin competitive. Mark with ted cruz getting the endorsement, john kasich has to be in the conversation and find a way to do that. John it is time for family feud, starring the wives of donald trump and ted cruz. Clothed photo of melania surfaced. Donald trump tweeted ted cruz responded with a tweet of his own ted cruz continued the line of attack with trump. Ted cruz he is used to being a bully. Heidi is not scared of donald trump and she has dealt with bullies in the Business World her whole life. Someone yelling, screaming, insulting her, it is not her. Ely frightening to she is the daughter of christian missionaries. She is my best friend. A characternts fight, he ought to stick with me. Heidi is way out of his league. Heidi crews had this to say to supporters. Heidi most of the things donald trump says have no basis in reality. John in the wake of brussels, how personal can this get . Gettingrd to imagine it more personal than this. I would just say, having talked to both, the animosity tween them is real. It is not stage acting or for political purposes. I think it is a volatile situation. Donald trump provides volatility, particularly if it gets down. It could get more personal than this and they have dragged the spouses in. Havee to say, maybe i just donald trump used that occasion to go after ted cruz for something not coming out of the campaign after the attacks in belgium, it is not good for him to be going there. Some personal stuff works for him. Im not sure if this does. Mark is a candidate responsible supporting the candidate . There is no evidence. John this is not a regular if this is a regular Ted Cruz Super pac. Mark it would be good of donald trump would leave mrs. Cruz alone. Campaignknow the cruz has engaged in dirty tricks along the way. Paul ryan gave an extraordinary and distinctive and optimistic state ofout in the american politics. Was in the ways and Means Committee that paul ryan used to chair. His target for some of his best lines was donald trump. The discourse we see on tv and among each other did not used to be this bad and it does not have to be this way. Instead of playing to anxieties, we can appeal to aspirations. Ideas areh different not traitors. We do not insult them into agreeing with us. We should not accept ugliness as a norm. Personalities, and go. Personalities come and go. Mark clearly, donald trump was on his mind. Range of see a wide potential motives here, one of which is creating some distance between the president ial race races. T is going on for there is a little bit of a topsy here. Ryancould also be paul singh himself to be a White Convention contested scenario. Anyone who cares about the politics of personal the structure and and is exposed to it wants to try to bring things into water and he is in a position where he can influence the public debates. I believe the first thing you said. He wants to create a substantive to operate in,rs no matter who the nominee is, especially if they are donald trump. John he will have to and Mitch Mcconnell and paul ryan know that, if donald trump is the nominee, there are a lot of congressmen and senators who run away from that ticket and he is trying to give them the alternative platform to the public platform that donald trump is filling with invective and nothing like the tone or substance that paul ryan wants. Mark there is not total trust between those guys yet. Get back, we asked donald trump about Nuclear Weapons and Hillary Clinton. That interview is when we come back. Mark last night, we sat down with donald trump. Among the other matters, we asked him to clarify zoning he told the editorial board. It was about whether he would use tactical weapons against islamic state. I would be late, compared to the opponents im running against. A lot of people say that i was sort of for the iraq war. I was against the iraq war. I said, i dont know. Im a great businessman over the air. It did not sound so good to me. , i wastime it started very much against the war and Hillary Clinton wanted to do it. Hillary clinton would be such a bad president. She does not have the strength and stamina to be a good president. People wanted to go to war. I did not. I am supposed to be that one. I would be the last to use this. I have to say john the last to use Nuclear Weapons against isis . You wouldnt rule that out. Trump i would never rule anything out. That wouldnt tell you that because i want them to think that we would use them. When you ask a question like cleannd everybody comes and is honest, you know, we need unpredictability. Isis is an enemy not wearing uniform and we do not knew who they are. They would be dressed, we would be dressed. We know who would be fighting. The fact is that we need unpredictability. You ask a question like that and it is a very sad thing to have to answer because the enemy is i have a good chance of winning and do not want them to know what im thinking. Mark looking back, rather than forward, have there been provocations in the past 15 years when, if you had been president , you have considered using Nuclear Weapons . After 9 11 . Trump no. We attacked the wrong country. We went after a rack. Iraq. Er we couldve taken out the talib if we really wanted to. I understand the power of Nuclear Weapons. Who wouldncle at mit tell me about the power of and otherapons things. And, it is so devastating. I would say, absolutely, as a last resort. That does not mean that we should not be prepared. I watched 60 minutes from a year ago where the administration should never have allowed these Nuclear Weapons that are not in a state of preparedness. I will to you that i would never want to use those. We have to be prepared to be absolutely perfect. Are talking and thinking more about National Security. Where the areas you need to learn more . Trump i have a good instinct. Mark i am not asking about instincts. Is there no area where you think you need to know more . To know more about everything in every little area and every little corner. I think that i have good instincts. Oil. D tank the iraq. Ouldnt be in they have really good oil. Now, who has the oil, isis and iran. The president of the united oftes, would you think yourself as a leader of the free world . I would. I would not spend trillions of dollars on nationbuilding and the days of nationbuilding are over. Do you think america is the most powerful nation on earth . Weapons are changing and power of weaponry is incredible. If we were not talking about the power of weapons, i would have said, if you go in, making mistake, go out. You cannot let this happen with the weapons produced today. You talk about losing to isis and they make us look soft. Trump isis. The president always says isil. It is all most like he is doing something to bother people. The president always says isi l. Everyone else says isis. I think he does it to bother people. I think china is catching up. I think rush is catching up. Russia is catching up. We have a military that needs help and i have a friend whose son has spent quite a bit of time over in iraq and afghanistan. Our weapons are not as good as the enemy because they take the weapons. We give them to people who we think are fighting for us. The enemy takes the weapons and he is disheartened to see the enemy has better weapons. National security is a big issue. Lets say there is a general election between the two of you. She was the secretary of state. Trump she did a bad job. You are a businessman and the host of a tv show. Trump i am more confident and much smarter than she is. I think that she has been very weak and i have said that i do not think she has the strength or stamina to be a good president. At 3 00 in the morning, i think she is sleeping and she does not wake up. That has been proven. Look at Hillary Clinton with that phony 3 00 in the morning advertisement. She never woke up. The phone call got made hundreds of times and they were calling and calling and she took s call. Al abc she did as secretary was good . She did a lot of traveling. She was always on airplanes. Going back and forth. She lied and said that she was coming under attack. She said shoes under a vicious attack and it turned out to be a total fraud. More later inhave the program and we will have what Hillary Clinton said about donald trump today. Hillary clinton gave a speech in the wake of the attacks in brussels and talked about combating terrorism online and reinforcing relationships with allies around the globe and she remaininged stabs at republican candidates by emphasizing tactics that work and not just rhetoric. To not clinton we need focus on bluster that does. Make us safer. Andans are not strategy loose cannons misfire. To divideutin wants of europe. Trump gets in the office, it is christmas in the kremlin. We have to do what works. Know does not work is offensive rhetoric that demonizes muslims. If this is a preview of the policy debate to calm, how strong is Hillary Clinton . Mark she thinks she is superstrong. George stephanopoulos said that specificity is a character issue. She can be tough and hawkish. John i think she feels that way. This speech was not on her schedule. They moved quickly. I believe there is another speech coming down the line in the next couple of days and she will do something similar. She sees an opportunity here and understands this election. She thinks the way that establishment aryans think. Card overhuge trump any republicans who have any experience. She is going to play that hard. Meanwhile, trump, ted cruz, and john kasich think she is weak. John they do. It is passion versus experience. Mark obama has been taking a lot of heat for spending part of his day at an exhibition game with the Tampa Bay Rays and the optics were not so great for anda, wearing sunglasses doing a halfhearted attempt at a wave. Attendance with espn. It is always a challenge with a terrorist attack in the agof 247 news coverage. You want to be respectful and understand the gravity of the situation. The premise of terrorism is to disrupt the ordinary lives. If it wasleague asked a mistake to do the baseball game. Obama on the principle he is trying to exemplify, these guys are not accidental threats and we should not let them try to disrupt our lives. There is a symbolic importance. Optics of this are horrible and barack obama could have went to the game briefly and said, i have important things to do. Sitting there in sunglasses is not a good look. It is like george bush going to,ing and asking reporters watch this drive. Egg the white house knowledge that it was a mistake. Go to the game, do not wear sunglasses, leave after a little bit. Go to a National Security meeting. Trump. N more now, part two of our conversation with donald trump at maralago. Trump i was called by a friend who said something terrible happened in russells in brussels. I have been saying brussels is a mess. I think what is going on is deplorable. You talk about giving the country a pep talk. When you talk about the issues, you talk about these in negative ways and say the terrorists are winning. They are winning. They shut down the world and we do not do anything about it. Yet, they are chopping off heads. I understand that is part of your view. The talk implies optimism. What would you say optimistic . I will be tougher on terror and much tougher than right now. I will expand so we can do certain things. They have no laws. They have absolutely no laws. They kill people in the do not talk about it. They do not worry about the law. We do something that is harsh and a soldier loses his pension and his life. We are not playing with the same rules. We cannot win the war anymore. They say this is minimal. Well, you know what, we have to go much tougher. Ing of the world with weak and ineffective people. What is happening is unbelievable. And people are saying that donald trump is right. I know that. And i dont want to be right about it. Ted cruz says we need Police Patrols and muslim neighborhoods in the United States. You were behind that. We had right crocker on the show and he says that this is the worst idea and what isis wants us to do. It would be the United States being indiscriminately prejudice against muslims. How do you respond . Trump i am ok with it. I am ok with that. Policek city has amazing and we have the strongest, if you talk about vigilance, we are watching closer and there is an Amazing Group and they are stopping attacks. The mayor is grossly and compliment grossly incompetent and he ended it. We should bring it back. We have to look at the mosques. I am ok with that. There is a problem john, there is a problem. Are you saying that they are wrong . Trump i would say that he is wrong. We have to be smarter and more vigilant. In your career, which is obviously been successful, what is the kind of decision that you have to make that is the closest thing to the kind of decision a president makes . Nobody has made decisions like that. You are talking about lives and you talk about many more lives and it is weak and ineffective chibawatched obama in with nobody greeting him. I thought that was terrible. I watched them at the press conference yesterday and it looked like he was a baby. Castro was a boss. You have body parts laying all over the place with threats to us and everyone else and im watching him sitting in the sun and watching baseball. I think it looks bad. He could have left cuba. He should be back in washington and in the white house, where the president should be at a time like this. What is the toughest decision you have made . Trump i make multimillion dollar deals. One. Ve me trump guaranteeing very large transactions takes courage. If they dont work out, i make them work out. I take the deals that shouldnt work out. It wasnt pretty. I make them good deals. The market is great, it goes bad. I am tough on the banks and i make them turn out. Do not workthings out the way you think they are going to. Great deal sign of a maker. It is how do you deal with the bad times. Dealing withbout the border and isis and these are relatively shortterm issues. Back to being optimistic, what is a plan to make the relationships between the western world in the muslim world better . Trump they have to respect us and they do not respect a lot of things. Areink the german people you see the time and people who love germany and they it is the greatest country on earth and they want to leave germany. Et me just tell you the first thing you have to do is get them to respect the west and us. If they are not going to respect us, it will never work. This has been going a long time. I tell the story about general issues of radical islamic terrorism in the philippines. It is a wellknown story. They had a huge problem with terrorism and he was unbelievably harsh. I think you know the story. He was unbelievably harsh and they did not have a problem for 28 years. You would have them respect the west more . Trump they will not be successful, unless they respect you. They have no respect for the country right now. You suggested that the United States should have a different role in nato and that nato needs a different mission. There are people who say that America Needs to be the leader. We pay a disproportionate and i look at the ukraine it gets up for a lot of countries and we defend south korea and saudi arabia. And we put upany a lot of money and it is very interesting. Defending everyone else. Think that nato may be obsolete. It was set up many years ago. Things were different. We had nothing but money and power. More than we have today in the true sense. I think we really have to examine nato. It is helping other countries and i do not think that other countries appreciate what we are doing. I want to clarify that you less. O see the u. S. Pay i would certainly look at it and want more help from others. As to whether or not it is obsolete, i would look. Our look to donald trump. Up next, a conversation with ted cruz. You are watching, you can out listen to us. We will be right back. We caught up with a cruise. He got the endorsement of jeb bush. We discussed a wide ranging series of issues. Unusuals taken a pretty position. He says that the unite states has contributed to much. What is the role of nato in a ted cruz and administration . Cruz you are right that Donald TrumpsForeign Policy is bizarre. Understanding of Foreign Policy and what he knows is wrong. What he has been advocating is weakness and he advocates would draw from the world and isolationism. With israel, and says he will be neutral. With nato, he advocated withdrawing. That is a terrible idea and it is striking that the day after he called for that, we saw a tragic attack in brussels. E should not would draw we should be strengthening the alliance with europe and israel and, if donald trump had his way, if america withdrew, we would hand a massive victory to Vladimir Putin and isis. The idea that donald trump wants the presidency to begin with preemptive surrender, that is weakness and it is striking that his form policy is to the left of barack obama and Hillary Clinton. Seem able toot distinguish friend from enemies. Aipac speech repositioned himself. Cruz lets be clear that he said that he would be neutral between israel and the palestinians and the red a speech off of teleprompters that pretended to stand with israel and it is inconsistent with where he has been over and over again. Anyone who cannot distinguish between israel and the idf forces and the islamic terrorists who seek to murder us questionsses fitness about being commander in chief. We need a commander in chief who is prepared to do whatever is necessary and i will point out that his lack of knowledge and understanding of islamic terrorism is every bit as. Vident with regard to iran he says he will keep in place a Catastrophic Nuclear deal and renegotiate it. This is not a real estate deal. The ayatollah is not selling property. He has pledged death to america and he means this. One of the big differences is that, i will rip to shreds this Iranian Nuclear deal. A threatst threat is of a nuclear iran. Donald trump does not understand that and neither one of them acknowledges or understands the ayatollah. And weou talk about nato. Pend a lot ab of money what is the role of nato right now . What is the actual mission . Nato is the most effective military alliance and it stood up to the soviet union and the cold war. The idea that russia doesnt pose a threat, russia is invading the ukraine, the baltic, threatening much of europe, and nato is a Strategic Alliance that should be a vehicle for going after isis. Nato doesnt work without american leadership. Nato could play a Critical Role in utterly destroying isis. Donald approaches this by withdrawing and hiding, hoping the bad guys will leave us alone. Obama leads from behind. It doesnt work. We need to utterly and completely destroy isis. We will have more of this conversation when we come back. Welcome back. Lets go to the second half of the conversation with ted cruz. We talked about what the landscape could look like in november. Things can change. It is not clear, based on the polling, that you are stronger in the general election that donald trump. The polling insistently shows that i would be hillary. Illary. Hu cannotrepublican nominee carry utah, you are looking at a landslide defeat. That is a reason why so many republicans are uniting behind our campaign. Ofk there is a proposal increased Police Surveillance of muslims in the United States. Can you name a neighborhood where you think that would be proper . When people wonder why their neighborhood is getting increased scrutiny . Cruz in brusse, we saw a horrific terrorist attack. Reminder thata this was not isolated and this is part of global jihad being waged by isis and obama and Hillary Clinton are in a state of denial and they are in they are captive to political correctness. Every time we see a terrorist attack coming out of san bernardino, obama goes and lectures the American People on islamophobia. Enough is enough. Whoeed a commander in chief recognizes the responsibility to keep america safe. When it comes to stopping islamic terrorism, you have to identify the problem and use every tool available to defeat it. New york had a very Effective Program to work cool operatively with the muslims to work cooperatively with the muslims to prevent attacks from occurring before they happen. Came into de blasio office, every bit as captive to political correctness, and they disbanded this program. The police are here to protect us. Viewegorically reject the that the police are the bad guys and people are fed up with this notion of every time there is an incident. , Hillary Clinton, bill de blasio, they side with the looters. I am proud to stand with the police. There was a moment where nypd stood up and turned their backs bill the blah zero, de blasio. Pretending this doesnt exist. He was in good form there and in the other interviews. To overtake donald trump, he needs to get a single refrain that he repeats relentlessly. He spends a lot of time attacking in different areas. John he was in good form. It is still unclear to me ctly that he is a guy he has what he wants. He has the oneonone. Oneonone,hat would any betting man that on ted cruz . Trumpt the way donald sizes someone up and seizes on weakness. Ted cruz does not have that capacity. Mark we have polls were donald trump is beating ted cruz. John thanks to ted cruz. We will be back with a tribute to a genuine great. We would be remiss if we did pay a modest two a tribe called quest. Records are some of the most influential hiphop records of all time. Uestlove. Ed . You are always on point with the beats. Mark there is more from our Bloomberg National poll on our website. Coming up on our website, emily chang with a chief economist. Thank you for watching. We will be back tomorrow. John right here. In the studio. Not on the road. Mark see tomorrow night. 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