He is going to raise more and more every month. He has already raised a time since the Fourth Quarter began. He is the big winner and no one else up there, with the exception of cruz marco rubio, surging enthusiasm, maybe that is happening lately. The fact he raised less than scott walker tells you a lot about the rubio juggernaut. He went up from 10 million to 20 million. She is the only one who substantially increased his fund raising. He is the on the one who substantially increased his fund raising. Mark i dont think anybody is up at all. John jeb bush is up one million. He is up a tiny little bit. Carson, big winner. Im actually surprised, even though bush is up a little. Given how badly bush is doing in the polls in iowa, New Hampshire, even his delaware trajectory, the fact he is able to keep this money mark i agree. I will say this about bush. If they had a bad fundraising corder it wouldve been bad pr. But they put out a document about how much they raised. They talked about why he is not doing so badly. One of the paragraphs said political scientist to say the greatest correlation is endorsements. They talked about bushs endorsements. They are thinking of theyre going to win this nomination i think they need to rethink their spin. The other thing, besides rubio, watch ted cruz. This doesnt include the super pac money, where he is strong. We have to see if he is more in the second tier are firsttier. Mark it matters that he is raising twice as much as marco rubio. Raising double the heart money. He can spend that in iowa and be real trouble. John this is a segment we like to call conventional wisdom, is it right . In todays episode heres the premise, Bernie Sanders lost tuesdays debate. This wisdom is so conventional and widespread it even appeared on this very show after the debate. But wait, said his Campaign Says he won the debate, he gained the most facebook followers in the wake of the showdown in las vegas and was the most mentioned on twitter. He owned the reddit front page and campaign has raised over 2 million since the campaign. He was so happy he did a little happy dance when he appeared on ellen. Watch this video. There you go. That is one happy Bernie Sanders. So john, have you rethought your believe that Hillary Clinton decisively won the debate . John if your email was anything like my email, i have been bombarded on twitter and elsewhere by Bernie Sanders fans telling me i am wrong. I said yesterday and i will say again, i dont think Bernie Sanders lost a single vote. Among the people who love Bernie Sanders, they are still with him. What i said was i thought Bernie Sanders had not gained a single vote. You introduce yourself to more people and gain more votes. Im still confident the online polls i love social media and im an old man. Most people in social media are in bernies demo. I disagree. He was close to a cowinner. Lets wait for the polls. I will tell you this. Standing on the stage with her, getting out some good lines, he lost. She did great by any measure. Even bernies people admit she did great. Based on social media and based on the fact that for normal people, what they saw was i think he may gain some supporters. We will see. Mark i will let knowledge im wrong and bow to those people and say Bernie Sanders won the debate. Until that im holding fast on my view. President obama announced he is hoping to withdraw american troops in afghanistan, the plan he highlighted and the plan he outlined maintain the current force there for you 550 troops by early 2017. This is a clear reversal of obamas promise for military involvement when we leave afghanistan. This is a historic thing and will define, in some sense, Barack Obamas legacy. I ask you going forward, what do you think the political applications are on the republic side and democratic side . John kasich raised 4. 4 million in the second quarter, which puts him behind everybody, put him behind marco rubio and scott walker. Look, i think the pentagon and the white house has no idea what the right number of troops is, to do the mission they think it is. This number of troops probably deters the taliban from taking additional cities before president obama leaves the president leaves the democratic nominee more vulnerable. That have looked at the example of the risks in both terms of National Security and national order, too great to allow afghanistan to descend the kind of chaos iraq has descended into. If afghanistan slid into that kind of chaos, it would be horrible for whoever the democratic nominee is, particularly Hillary Clinton. This is in some sense mildly good for her. She agrees on the substance. John it ensures they will be debate in the nomination. Should more troops go in . Did president obama not leave enough of a residual . Mark if he didnt do this it would open him up to incredibly fierce all democrats leading up to a great he is still going to get criticized, but maybe a little less. John today our pal and colleague Stephanie Ruhle spoke with mr. Donald trump, largely about the topic of money, something he knows a lot about. Here is what he said about senator Elizabeth Warren. I have received calls from the biggest people in this country saying, if you win i would love to represent they have a lot of money. You know who would love it, Elizabeth Warren . Donald trump i think she wants to see good trade deals. I think Elizabeth Warren, as bassett as bad as it may sound, doesnt want to see the country lose 400 billion dollars per year to china in terms of deficit. I think when you explain it even to her and to people you consider somewhat radical on the left, believe me they are going to want to see these people. These are tremendously successful people. Mark more of that conversation arrington tomorrow on bloomberg at 7 00 eastern time. Donald trump and ben carson have threatened to pull out of the upcoming cnbc debate on october 28 if the candidates are not allowed to make opening and closing statements and a cnbc says the debate is going to last longer than two hours, including commercials. John, are trump and carson going to get their way and why do they want this changed . John i dont want to discourage disparage another network, but i think they will crumple. I have spent all day try to get in the heads of donald trump and ben carson and trying to figure it out. I have no idea. I do not get this remotely. I think trump is a showman and he thinks it is a bad show. The other thing is both of them feel like they have the leverage to do it. I think trump and carson are the ones who have leverage as the front runners to say we dont want to do it because it is just too long, it is uncomfortable to stand for three hours. It is a lot of weight time. John i think it is fair to say these are always the most useless part. They dont define anything. Mark taken it to deliver and under still message. John the truth is, as you know, when you have an unscripted moment they get to repeated. Two mark two exciting political ads coming up next. Mark now some more commercials. We are joined by ken goldstein, who also specializes in tracking advertisements. We are going to start by watching Hillary Clintons most frequently aired tv ad in iowa and New Hampshire. Mark now some more commercials. We are joined by ken goldstein, who also specializes in tracking advertisements. We are going to start by watching Hillary Clintons most frequently aired tv ad in iowa and New Hampshire. Families are so stretched. Paychecks have barely bunched. Racing family incomes is the defining economic challenge of our time. I have a plan that will put racing incomes at the center of our economy again. We have to get back to making it possible for anybody in america to go as far as their hard work will take them. I am Hillary Clinton, i approve this message. Mark clinton basically has the democratic side of the airwaves to herself. She has spent 5 million on ads in iowa and New Hampshire. Is she getting any bank for her buck . Ken first time any of our viewers saw that ad. If you are in iowa or new capture that may have been the 1201st time you have seen that ad. She have as you said she has the airwaves completely to herself since last august. If you are a glass half empty or Glass Half Full sort of person, her numbers have continued to decline, so that is an argument that, as someone said about a political advertising campaign, the dogs arent eating the dog food. She obviously has not had favorable free media coverage. It has been challenging over the last couple of months and nationally. And those ads kept her in the ball game. And they stopped her from hemorrhaging even more. Mark bank lets talk about jeb bush pit lets watch the most aired had. As governor he helped create 1. 3 million new jobs. He vetoed millions in Government Spending paid he cut taxes 19 million, balanced eight budgets, and shrank state government. He took on unions and one and won. The state was florida, the governor was jeb push. Proven jeb bush. Proven conservative, real results. John the right to rise, that was their ad. They have been spending a lot of money in New Hampshire in particular. What are they getting for their spending . Ken about 10 million from right to rise. What i find interesting about that ad, and we can play inside the Actors Studio here. The Bush Campaign and they are uncoordinated allies have some concern about osha fatigue. About bush fatigue. This mystery conservative governor is trying to get people to buy into the notion of jeb bush before they have to hear the bush name area bush name. Bush has been up massively on this show. Even though they have spent twice as much as hillary, they are getting less than half the impact in terms of advertising. Governor bush remains forth in iowa and New Hampshire. We have not Seen Movement there. Have not had a lot of incredible polls in iowa and New Hampshire. I think we will see more coming out of the next week. It will be interesting to see if this massive buy buy right to rise has move in the numbers for governor bush at all. Mark the Group Supporting rubio is on the air. I want to ask about governor kasich. There are other factors in media. Not just the volume of the ads but the content, what is your sense about how those ads are doing given his numbers in New Hampshire ticking down as of late . Ken k6 went up early in the summer. He was the only person up with a significant buy in New Hampshire. Then he got into that conversation, that 10 percentage point range. They have just recently made another 3 million by. We have not seen his numbers move. He definitely got a bounce over the summer but it was a sugar high that began to come down. They are now try to get back into the conversation in New Hampshire. Rubio, his outside group had a big buy. They are spending money on National Cable. Half their money is in National Cable. It will be interesting to see if rubios National Numbers moves because he has been on National CableNetworks Like fox news. John this last question about donald trump, who continues to lead evewhere, sometimes by a lot, he has gotten die without spending a dime on ads. Just talk about that phenomenon. Ken not only is he ahead in the national poll, but in that he really every single state, whether it was the polls done in the state or the averages, he is ahead. He has done that without spending a cent. He is getting tremendous amounts of earned media. We showed the bush ad and the clinton ad. Its compelling and if we end others are going to air 32nd snippets of interviews, he doesnt have to spend his money on advertising yet. The other person is carly fiorina, who has it also spend any money on advertising. Who also hasnt spent any money on advertising. Mark nothing gets our viewers mark nothing gets our viewers fired up then these two words, tax policy. John kasich put out his tax plan. He cut taxes for businesses and the wealthiest bracket, eliminated the state tax, and balanced the budget within eight years. Here is how he framed it at a National Community college and New Hampshire. John kasich i will immediately put us on a path to a balanced budget and i will get it done within eight years. Within the first 100 days we will have that plan to balance the budget. And to keep it balanced i will start the process to amend our constitution to require washington to balance its budget every single year, like states and families in america. Mark were going to bring in our he has written a lot of taxes, tell us what you think about his tax plan as a matter of policy. How al i make great fan of john kasich, as you know. This is voodoo economics. He proposed something very similar 17 years ago in the house when he was the Budget Committee chairman. We had a 1. 5 trillion surplus. He said an act of this tax cut and we will still have a surplus. It led to endless deficits. He is going to cut taxes by 30 and the us eight tax, give tax cut and the estate tax, give tax cut breaks. At the San Francisco giants and Washington Nationals have a better chance of winning the world series. Mark the other crazy thing, given it is john kasich, it is unimaginative. There is nothing in here new at the least. And taking on the football care act and Social Security suggests a lack of courage on the issues. Al for a guy we think of as having a lot of courage, you are right. It is strikingly similar to that. On medicare he doesnt tell us he is going to reduce the rate. He tells us hes going to reduce the rate but doesnt tell us how he is going to do it. Mark and if you go back to the politics of it, there is so much me too in here, that voters are going to hear any message from john kasich to say that i has to be my president. Al if he wants to run on tax cuts, donald trump will trump him every single day. And marco rubio two, probably. He says he is he is going to freeze nondiscretionary domestic spending for eight years. It is currently at the lowest level of percentage of gdp at any time since the eisenhower administration. I want to know if he is going to cut the nih budget, florida patrol . John whose tax pie is more irresponsible . Donald trump or john kasich . Al donald trump. Hugh cant beat him in that contest you cant beat him in that contest. He doesnt pretend he is going to cut any entitlements. He goes further. This from a guy who is a pretty imaginative and courageous politician at times at a very good governor, this is a disappointment. John you are a god of tax policy. Thank you so much. We will be back with a really funny joke. John it is time for some good oldfashioned white house trolling. Josh by defeating the Houston Astros last night, and getting ready to take on ted cruz is other hometown team, the Toronto Blue Jays ted cruzs other hometown team, the Toronto Blue Jays. If he would like to make a bet he knows how to track me down. Mark thanks for watching. 7 a. M. Tomorrow, donald trump, bloomberg. Hamdi reports a big loss. The only way to get better is to challenge yourself, and thats what were doing at xfinity. We are challenging ourselves to improve every aspect of your experience. And this includes our commitment to being on time. 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