Do any members of this fab five have the potential to break out of this top 10 . Al im tempted to say marco rubio, but six months ago, i declared he was dead. Im not sure i want to make a prediction now. This is the most wideopen unpredictable race we have ever seen. Tread very lightly on any predictions. A mistake and an intervening event will all determine who might break out, and it may take a while. Mark we all had the same reaction to this poll. Theres a geewhiz quality to a fiveway tie for first, but its not just a tie, but the front runners are at 10, a level of support where one bad day could put one guy down to five, and a good day could put them in the lead. Al yeah, it could, and this is not the kind of poll that discourages George Pataki or anyone else from getting in this race. No one they all barely break double figures. You not going to say you do not want to get in this race because youre not going to win. If you start at one, you only have to get 10 more. Mark most of the candidates are spending the bulk of their time raising money, mostly with paid media, and i dont know that paid media will do much. This is, i think, a race that will not have a front runner until after iowa at the earliest. Al i totally agree. The debates may start to shape it a bit, may knock a few people out, a few people up, but its going to be iowa and New Hampshire. Mark as how as he said, george the tacky is not discouraged from getting it, even though hes only registering at 1 percent basically no respondents supporting him, but he did announce his candidacy today. Hes in the race for real after flirting with running in the past. Heres how governor pataki framed his running this morning, emphasizing his time as governor of new york. Pataki after 12 years of my conservative policies, we replaced dependency with opportunity, resignation with hope, a welfare check with a paycheck. It is to preserve and protect that freedom that this morning i announced i am a candidate for the republican nomination for president of the United States. [applause] mark pretty fired up, George Pataki. He is obviously at best a long shot for the nomination, but can his presence influence the outcome of the race . Al it could, but the way to do it is to run as a genuine moderate. But it does not appear that George Pataki is going to do that. Whats his place . Most new yorkers cannot even remember the guy between the two cuomos. Jeb bush got higher marks as governor, rick perry longer, cash rick perry served longer scott walker is more current. I dont see where George Pataki fits in. Mark i agree that hes not emphasizing the one thing that would make him different by any means. I do think he could impact the race in three ways. One, hes a smart guy. His intelligence is underrated. If he cannot find his way to the literal debate, he could do some damage to other republicans. Two, he will focus on New Hampshire. Only Chris Christie has got a New Hampshire centric path. The last thing is this message which we will listen to later smaller government. Lots of other people are running on it, but hes running on it with an antiwashington sensibility that i think will help at least push the argument along. Al i want to cover the George Pataki bobby jindal debate, the battle of the 1 ers. Thats what its all about. Mark its a problem in the field, this crowded you not only have to grow your support but you have to pass over 16 other guys and one gal in order to get to the top. It is daunting. He needs a lot more luck than one or two people dropping out. In this crowded republican field, everyone is looking for a way to set themselves out from the rest. Rand paul is doing that by turning the nsa into public enemy number one. Now, all this week, rand pauls fellow republicans are looking for their own look at me chances, and theyve done that by turning against him. Chris christie and bobby jindal have been ultraaggressive criticizing his comments on isis that he made on morning joe. Moments ago on fox news, scott walker joined in, taking issue with what paul said about isis. Scott walker i just think hes wrong about that. Unfortunately. I respect senator paul on a lot of issues. Im a big fan of him. I think theres a lot of good things about him, but i think hes just wrong on this one, and its one of those things where republican or democrat, if someone is saying something wrong, i will not criticize them personally, but i think theres a tendency for certain candidates to go after people on a personality basis. I think we should talk about the facts, and the facts are clear. Mark for people like Chris Christie or bobby jindal criticizing paul is part of what is called in political circles looking for a moment of strength. Pretty much the same thing happened in the last sheet of republican nomination battles, if you dont remember. This is how republicans running for president then sought their own moments of strength, by slamming not rand paul, but his father ron paul. Congressman paul is irresponsible. Nothing could be more dangerous than the comments we just heard. Someone running for the president of the United States in the Republican Party should not be parroting what osama bin ladin said on an 9 11. I want to tell you that that kind of isolation is what caused world war ii. Mark based on what happened in debates eight years ago and based on the fact today that Chris Christie today took another shot at rand paul, theres more of this to come for sure. Who will win this fight over National Security with rand paul on one side and everyone else pretty much on the other side . Al i think rand paul, actually, at least in the short run. The country is more hawkish than when his daddy ran, but he is a tougher and more combative candidate than ron paul. He is going to give back tebow too. And on some of these issues particularly like the nsa and eavesdropping, it plays to his libertarian base, and if its seven guys against one, all he has to do is get 15 , and he is ahead of them. Mark i totally agree. The other issue is expanding the party. Almost all these other candidates are fishing in the pond where public and voters where Republican Voters have always lived. Rand pauls chances depend on doing what barack obama did, bringing new voters and, at a bringing new voters in, and a lot of new voters find his positions appealing, certainly on the nsa, and maybe even based on what he said on morning joe. Al particularly younger voters. I think they will be with him on both those issues. Mark we scoff we saw scott walker softpedal, but we have not heard from rubio and bush. I think in the debates, they will be tempted to go after him, too, because National Security is the top issue for Republican Voters. Going back to the poll we talked about earlier, we want to go to a question about Hillary Clinton that was asked is she trustworthy . General election voters said 53 no, 39 , yes, but Hillary Clinton remains in that poll rock solid support general election voters said 53 no, 39 yes, but Hillary Clinton remains in that poll rock solid support. Should brooklyn be worried about that poll and the numbers . Al i dont think they should be worried about those numbers. If trustworthiness were the key nixon never would have won, and bill clinton never would have won. The second thing that worries them dont laugh at me bernie sanders. He more and more looks like the perfect protest candidate, authentic to the core. Mark there is another story today about Cindy Blumenthal being paid by the clintons. The trip continues, but it is a Clinton Family tradition. Deal with schedule and controversy, have people who may be think you do not always tell the truth, but still be seen as a strong leader. Right now, the clinton camp is keeping their head down. Weve been asking for days about the revelations about bill clintons llc. They are not answering. Their strategy is head down, talk about the issue, and hope for the best. They are doing all right on that score. More about Hillary Clinton coming up after the break. Specifically, what did George Pataki say about her today . Well be right back. Mark on this George Pataki announcement day, we thought wed go with that old with all due respect standby move. Whole off the best blocks of his kickoff speech. We start with governor pataki and what he said about the woman hed like to run against for the big job Hillary Rodham clinton. George pataki we are the party of the middle class, unless by middleclass they mean someone who left the white house dead broke and 10 years later had 100 million. [applause] unless by middleclass, they mean someone who charges a poor country 500,000 for a halfhour speech. Thats their partys candidate. [applause] she speaks for the middle class . Mark every republican who runs is going to take their best shot at Hillary Clinton. How would you rate how George Pataki talked about her in terms of the issues he chose, the tone, and the delivery . Al i thought the delivery was good. They were good shots. Hes not going to be the antihillary candidate, though. He spent six years as governor working with her when she was senator, but that rather illpositions him for that role. Carly fiorina has even better soundbites. Thats not going to be his road to victory. Mark he is a pretty rich guy himself, probably not as rich as the clintons, but it will be interesting to see what the Clinton Opposition Research team does to people who come after her for being out of touch, for being so wealthy. They have already started going back on jeb bush, but i will be interested to see if they do any damage. Fiorina, for instance, is quite rich, not seeing any allies going after her, but i expect that is coming. Al if they hit 4 or 5 in the polls, it will come. Mark another thing he talked about was 9 11. He was governor when that tragedy occurred. He talked at some length about how that experience shaped his views on foreign policy. George pataki i saw up close the results of too many believing that because radical islam was far away, that we were safe in america. I will never forget the lesson of september 11. We will destroy radical islams ability to attack us over there before they have the chance to attack us here. [applause] mark obviously 9 11 is still a pretty big touchstone. For the Republican Party. How do you rate the tackys message on that . Patakis message on that . Al i want to Say Something nice about George Pataki. Hes a good guy, but this one does not cut, either. Rudy giuliani was the one most identified with 9 11, and it did not, at all why is it going to cut for George Pataki . Mark it is certainly a big part of his pitch, but as you suggested, he is not nationally associated with that. It will be hard for people to convince him in the filter. Its almost always in contrast to how Rudy Giuliani was perceived in those days. Al i do think, as i mentioned earlier when we talked about rand paul, i think with isis and other things, the country is a little bit more hawkish than it was when rudy ran, but i dont think George Pataki is going to say hes the man with a bullhorn who stood up against that terrible threat back on that awful day. I dont think his record is bad on that, but i just dont think its the sort of thing that will rally people around him. Mark overall, based on watching his performance today, he is getting better, getting more experienced as a president ial candidate just in terms of delivery. I still believe he will have New Hampshire not to himself, but he will spend a lot of time there. He is a good cultural fit for the states. He is going to have the ability to talk to an audience that will listen to him, even if it does not move his poll numbers very much. Al dont underestimate you are going to laugh at me again lindsey graham. Lindsey graham is the one person who may be a real hawk which may appeal to certain voters there. Mark one more sound bite we want to play, which is governor patakis core message. George pataki government has grown too big. Too expensive, powerful, and intrusive. They told me that when i ran for governor of new york. They said i could not win. Too many people were dependent on government. The aircraft and powerful the bureaucrats and powerful interests were too strong. The people could not regain their confidence in new yorks future. In a sense, they were right. They could not do it, but i knew i could, and we did. [applause] mark again, as you suggested, other governors in this race have cut spending, but i do think he has this issue. You will influence the debate on this issue. He will influence the debate. Al he is sincere on this. There is no proregulation core of the party base, so it is an issue that will resonate with voters, and i think he hit it pretty well today. Mark his problem is if he starts to get traction on this issue, people will scrutinize his record in new york. He did have a Democratic Legislature to deal with and did not control spending as much as he would have liked, but he will have to deal with the record of the time he was in office. Al that may make it hard for him to break out. Mark he is one of the people vying to get into the debates with this standard of only of the top 10 getting into at least the first couple of debates. If he finds his way unlikely at this point, but if he finds his way in, he will be a formidable debater, more than some people think. Al but watch Mike Huckabee and ted cruz. Mark before his announcement today in new venture, he in New Hampshire, he released a video online. Really well produced. There was, however, one thing we found a little strange images of curtains fluttering, the silhouette. It seemed like George Pataki was pitching himself as much as a fragrance salesman as commander in chief. You can see our take on that important question right now right now right now on bloomberg politics. Com. Coming up, you ever been inside a media scrum . No . Buckle up. We take you deep inside the scrum zone after this. Mark we talk a lot here about how the media interacts with president ial prospects, most commonly in what is called the media scrum. It has always been a big part of political events, but now they are even crazier because anyone can bring a camera, and they do. We wanted to have some fun with all this, so we and our so we sent our colleagues matt and griffin to the recent South Carolina Freedom Summit to break down the science of the scrum, take out their own cameras and microphones, and bring all of you into the scrum zone. This is the South Carolina Freedom Summit, and you are in the scrum zone. I am going to try to get as close as i can and get my microphone as close as i can to what he says. Im a listener more than a talker. I usually dont ask that many questions. Lets how close david can get to Governor Scott walker in the first scrum of the day. He he camped outside the stage by the first exit, before the scrum gets out of control. Looks like david is just introducing himself to walker. Good strategy, playing the long game. That will pay off later. Watch how david slows walker down to maximize his time. Thats a strategy weve seen with veteran scrummers, all the greats. How was the scrum zone with scott walker . It was crowded, as you might expect. Hes considered one of the top candidates. The core is a lot bigger because everyone has cameras these days. I just wanted to say hello and remind him who i was. Good thing david got in early. Because moments later, the size of walkers scrum exploded. This is multilayered. Its going to take a real athlete to work in. I tried to join and ask some questions. I want to ask about immigration. He did not mention it in his speech. Its a real big issue. He is caught between donors and base voters on this one. We will see what happens. Im just going to try to be aggressive. Looks like hes trapped outside in the crust. Tough to break in and get close to walker. Even David Jackson is on the outer layer. Here he goes. That is good maneuvering. Scrum goes the dynamite. Its looking to be a very physical day in South Carolina. Sahil proves hes got what it takes. Today scott walker commended the largest scrum, followed mostly by marco rubio and ted cruz. But as always we look at the three smallest scrums of the day john bolton, bobby jindal, and George Pataki. Its almost too awkward to watch. We caught up with governor pataki afterward to get his reaction. George pataki its been a long conference. A lot of speakers. Its fine. Im used to it. You see a lot of guys here get huge followings. Nothing for you. How do you feel . George pataki its what i expect. You start at the bottom, work your way up, and ultimately, you win. The media had a lot of questions for marco rubio, earning him the secondlargest scrum of the day. My strategy is not what i do in the senate, which is to elbow past people and help i can get in front of him. Looks like we got a rare double scrum, marco rubio over here and donald trump over there. What do you do in this situation . With all due respect to mr. Trump, im more interested at this point in the senator rubio. Rubio is on the move, and she is stuck in the crust. Suddenly, the scrum loosens up. Watch sabrinas stellar hustle. Chasing him down the hallway, sadly, to no avail. Wow, so no one here got anything out of rubio. Actually, griffin, role that role that tape back. Because you didnt see these two, staking out the rubio scrum from the very beginning. What is your goal yet the what do you want out of this . How much time do you think he will get . 30 seconds, maybe. Looks like its going to happen now because hes done. Watch this rubio is in a hurry to exit, but listen to their tenacity. Whoa, right there. Take that home, frame it. Thats going to be a beautiful souvenir. We were just like getting in there, forcing our way and there. I could tell in his eyes that he really wanted to. To. Those two identical young voters prove you do not even did press couldnt to get the most access to the candidates. We can all learn from that kind of persistence. We nailed it. We nailed it. Mark matt and griffin, stay safe out there in the very dangerous scrum zone. We will be right back with some breaking news about a former speaker of the house who has been indicted right after this. Mark latebreaking indictment news on the wire, this time not about fifa. The Justice Department has charged Dennis Hasert with a couple of things being moved around, almost 1 million to avoid being noticed by the emily google is going headtohead with apple pay. And betting big on their Virtual Reality cardboard box. Emily i am emily chang and this is bloomberg west. The new york city wants the power to approve uber and lyft app updates. We will hear from both sides of the debate. Plus, pandoras plan to expand into news, weather, and sports. I sit down with their founder. Pebbles ceo is here with the new smart watch and we will compare it to the apple watch. Thats ahead. First, google
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