Lets just leave it this way. All right. David i dont consider myself a journalist. Nobody else would consider myself a journalist. I began to take on the life of being an interviewer even though i had a day job of running a private equity firm. How do you define leadership . What is it that makes somebody tick . David thank you very much for coming. Mr. Petraeus pleasure. David you served our country honorably for quite a while in government. We will talk about that. You are in what i consider a higher calling of mankind, private equity. [laughter] how do you compare being in military and leading troops to private equity . Mr. Petraeus im not sure i would agree with that. I feel very privileged to be in the private equity business. And to be active in academia with speaking on startups, and so forth very it is hard to top of serving ones country in uniform, particularly if you are leading in combat. David you told me this morning you already exercised an hour and a half this morning. I do an hour and a half a year if im lucky. [laughter] you are living in new york right now. You run around central park. How hard is that . Mr. Petraeus 6. 2 miles. David do people recognize you . Mr. Petraeus not if you are running. If you wear sunglasses and a hat, you can run unimpeded. Folks are very kind to me walking the streets. Can i ask if i can ask if the veterans in this audience would please stand up so we can recognize you and thank you. [applause] david david, i have often said that those who have served, or take post9 11 generation, all of whom are volunteers who took an oath at the time of war, knowing they would likely be deployed to a combat zone, i have described them as americas new greatest generation, something tom brokaw shouting in shouted in my ears after he saw our soldiers in the first year in iraq when i was privileged to be a trainer for the 101st Airborne Division in mosul, he saw all of the tasks that they were doing. From rebuilding cities that were damaged during the war. He says, that world war ii craft draft was the greatest generation, but what were seeing today is americas new greatest generation. I believe in that. David lets talk about how you came to the military. Your father was a dutch sea captain. He met your mother who was from brooklyn. They met at a church service. He later stayed here during world war ii and became a commander of a u. S. Merchant marine ship. Mr. Petraeus during the war he sailed with the u. S. Merchant war. Ne, long he signed on in 1939. When the nazis invaded holland, he cannot go back. I grew up seven miles north of west point. I could run home from west point. David growing up, what was your nickname . Mr. Petraeus peaches. I was an announcer at the Little League game. An announcer at a Little League game could not pronounce it. There was a nineyearold came to that, i said pppeaches. That stuck. That followed me throughout my time at west point. There was a girl at the laundry, she had been a friend of mine doing that as a summer job, and she would send me notes from the laundry. Someone opened it up, and it said dear peaches. David how did you get an appointment to west point . I assume youre a good scholar but, somebody has to call a member of congress to get you in. Mr. Petraeus you just make an application. You write your congressman. The congressman nominates you. It is a competitive process. David if you did not get in, where would you have gone . Mr. Petraeus colgate. I had a full ride for academics and soccer. Ever thought how your life would be different . Not only did i think about it, at the end of two years, at west point we had a spectacular summer where i was in Alaska Mountain climbing glaciers, rivers and so forth, there was a Training Course and then an actual unit. I went down to los angeles, and a friend of mine who lived in the hills out there had such an extraordinary experience, i decided should i really go back to west point for the remaining years or enjoy more of this . I went back obviously. David at west point did you play on the soccer team . Mr. Petraeus i was on the soccer team and a skiier. David when you graduated, did you decide you wanted to make the military your career . Mr. Petraeus i wasnt sure. What was interesting, of all things at west point, i was in the premed program. I love that particular body of inquiry. I loved that it was the highest academic peak to scale. It was known as the toughest. All of a sudden i found myself , in the senior year with an actual slot in the program. I realized i wasnt absolutely certain i wanted to be a doctor. I just wanted to climb that mountain. I picked infantry instead. I had a wonderful experience. David you got married a few weeks after you graduated to the daughter of a commandant at west point. Mr. Petraeus superintendent is the overarching guy. It was a strange blind day when i found out. David it was not nerveracking dating the superintendents daughter . Mr. Petraeus we tried to do that clandestinely. That was not successful. I took a lot of flack for that. There is a generals march they play at parades. One of my classmates, i was on the brigade staff, so he was singing my soninlaw, my soninlaw so i took a little black. Flack. David you graduated from the infantry. There were two incidents where he almost lost your life. Not in combat. Mr. Petraeus this was an aggressive live fire exercise. Live grenades, supporting machine gun fire. We were following general keygen, a one star general was with me. One of the soldiers knock out of it, and, spun out of fell down and as he did he squeezed and an m16 round went through my chest. Luckily it went over the a in petraeus. Rather than the a in army. David what happened . Mr. Petraeus obviously medics start working on you. Interestingly, shock said in. I initially said, dont worry, just do a quick after action review to figure out what was wrong. They were rolling their eyes. They get an iv running. They pick me up. Keene went with me. It had nicked an artery. It did not sever it. The doctor turned to me and said this was going to hurt. X and he cut and asked in my side down to the ribs, hold of that, and shoved a plastic to into the lung. That is what saved my life. I was put in a helicopter and flown down to the medical center. Of all people, they called in the surgeon on call, dr. Bill frist. He came in later as the majority leader of the senate. Some people jokingly said, the. Petraeuss he is dying to meet bill frist i was. Out of the hospital in five or six days. David you showed them that you could do pushups to get out of the hospital. Is that right . Mr. Petraeus the only time i ever stopped at 50. No. [laughter] david i have never gotten to 50. Mr. Petraeus i wanted to get out of there. Things were fine. There was no reason to keep hanging around. I was doing laps around the hospital. I was in a wheelchair, pushing it around. David the other incident was you were skydiving. Your parachute did not quite work. You broke your pelvis. What is that like . Mr. Petraeus terrific. That was worse in terms of pain because it fractured front and rear. Your body is in two parts. Anything that touches, and i rode an ambulance all the way in, and every single crack in the street was agony. David did you ever skydive after that . Mr. Petraeus i was told by the army, general keane, he said, dave, no more skydiving. I said, ok. You give me division command, and i will quit. David they gave you command. Mr. Petraeus i was very privileged. David you have never had people working before for you in combat. Mr. Petraeus it is a chilling experience. When a soldier is killed, it takes the wind out of you. David ultimately a decision was made by president bush to invade iraq. You became a commander there and went over there as the first part of the military that went into that. It was supposed to be relatively quick. When did you realize this was not going to be as easy as we thought . Mr. Petraeus we did in a matter of weeks top of the regime. Toppled the regime. There was stiffer fighting along the way at various points. What was predicted by a variety of folks prior to the invasion, which was that iraq the units were all going to surrender and come over to our side and help us establish order did not prove out. There was tough fighting along the way. I had this sense fairly early on, certainly within the first week, once that dust storm blew through, and i had rick atkinson, the Washington Post reporter in the back of my humvee, and i remember turning to him at one point and asking, tell me how this ends . Im not sure this is going to go according to script. The idea that we are going to topple saddam and his management and everybody else will stay in place and there will be a little bit of a political negotiation, and we will hand it over to them, obviously. David do you think it would have been different if we decided not to get rid of the entire saddam army . Mr. Petraeus these were huge mistakes. We used to have a question when i was division commander, it asked, will this Operation Take more bad guys off the street then it creates . Same is true of policies. The fact is that firing the military without telling them what the future was, this means taking tens of thousands of people, and there is no reconciliation ross says. You have created tens of thousands of people whose incentive is to oppose iraq. David you love the effort to you lead the effort to take control of mosul. Mr. Petraeus we were in baghdad, which is where we were told we were going to end up. We got this emergency order to go to mosul. Its out of control. There was a small u. S. Unit up there. 17 civilians killed in response to a riot. We did one of the biggest air assaults in history up to mosul. We immediately blanketed the city with soldiers. We literally pushed right into the city, calmed it down, and gradually took control. We had an interim government out there within two weeks of arriving. David early on in the war, it was thought that shock and all awe would be all that was necessary. That concept doesnt really work. Mr. Petraeus that did not completely see. Completely succeed. It did impose a little awe here and there. There were folks fighting, shooting at us. We had casualties. David when president bush decided to invade, in part it was because of the theory that they had weapons of mass destruction. That information came from the cia. When you became the head of the cia, did you ever dig into that . And say where did you ever get that information from . Mr. Petraeus i did not dig into that as much as i did several other issues, such as the use of enhanced interrogation, which i have personally opposed. One, i think it is wrong. I think it is beyond International Law and the geneva connection. I just dont think it is effective. As jim mattis colorfully said, give me a beer and a cigarette, and i will get more information than by waterboarding. Not quite that simple. To put it more simply, you want to become their best friend in detention. The interrogator does. I say this having been a commander who oversaw the holding of more detainees than anyone else. 27,000 of them. We have some experience with what works. Treating them humanely well enlistingtill information from then is the way to go about it. David you have never before had people working for you directly who were killed in combat. Was that like to have the command of people who were dying . Mr. Petraeus it is a chilling experience. I remember the radio call when our first soldier was killed. It takes the wind out of you. I remember hearing when the third infantry division, which really spearheaded the fight along with the Marine Division into baghdad, i was monitoring the radio because we were all fighting together, and they had a couple of heavy vehicles blown up. It is chilling. David you were there for how long . Mr. Petraeus that was about a year long deployment. I was back for a couple of months. I was asked to go back quickly to do an assessment for a couple of weeks for the secretary of defense of the Iraqi Security force effort. I reported that to secretary rumsfeld. He said great report, go back and do what you have recommended. David did you think if you hadnt written such a good report, they would not send you back. Mr. Petraeus secretary rumsfeld had an interesting way of giving rewards. I remember in the final week or so, he came over, and he was patting me on the back literally. I thought this is really sort of nice. Then he said, on the way home, i want you to come through afghanistan. I said, that is not exactly the direct line between two points. We did an assessment over there on the way home. David president obama calls you into the oval office and says i would like you to give up Central Command and be a military commander in afghanistan. What did you think about that . Mr. Petraeus if the president calls on you to do something, i think you do it. David you didnt say, let me think about it . Mr. Petraeus no. David youve finished your second tour of duty in iraq. He went back to the United States. Mr. Petraeus then we had about 15 months at work leavenworth, kansas. There are a number of different hats and individual wears. You control the armys doctrine. It is a next ordinary command. Extraordinary an command. We really revamped the whole process of preparing units, soldiers, and their leaders to go to iraq and afghanistan. We did the counterinsurgency field manual. David you wrote a very good report. You oversaw the counterinsurgency manual. It was so good that people said maybe this person should be in charge of the current counterinsurgency efforts. You were asked by president bush to lead the socalled surge. When he said this, did you say, i have already served to two tours of duty, and i dont need to go back a third time . Mr. Petraeus no. You say it would be a privilege to do that. It is the same thing i said when president obama sat me down several years later with no pleasantries and no one else in the room except for a photographer, im asking you to go to afghanistan and take command. I think the only answer at a time like that can be. Yes. David what i didnt understand at the time, mommy troops did we have in iraq at the time of the surge . Mr. Petraeus about 140,000 u. S. Soldiers. The coalition had tens of thousands of additional, and then we added about 25,000 to 35,000 additional forces. I will just point out, and i am sure there are some surge veterans in here that will validate this, it was not a sur validate this, the surge that matter the most, it was a change of strategy. E it was a 180 degree shift. It was getting out of the faces of the iraqi people and going back to living in the neighborhoods to living with them. That is the only way you can secure them. You cannot kill or capture your way out of an industrialstrength insurgency. You have to reconcile with as many as you can. From handing off to iraqi forces that could not handle the escalating violence to actually taking over, we created 77 additional locations just in the baghdad divisional area alone during the course of the surge. David we sent over an additional 25,000 to 35,000. That was enough given the techniques you used to bring it to a stable position. Relatively speaking. Mr. Petraeus during the course of 18 months, which was the duration. It was reduced. I came back 19 months after that. I went to u. S. Central command. David the president asked you to head that. They are in charge of u. S. Military operations in the middle east. Mr. Petraeus it is 20 countries from egypt in the west to pakistan in the east, kazakhstan in the north, and somalia in the south. We were proud to have 90 of the worlds problem set the time. Problems at the time. David if you have one of these commands, usually, not always, someone gets to rise up to be the army chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. You were rising up. One day, president obama says i would like you to give up the Central Command and go back and be military commander in afghanistan. What do you think about that . Mr. Petraeus if the present asked you to do something, you do it. David you didnt say, let me think about it . Mr. Petraeus no. The only answer to a question like that can be yes. I would say, in that case and prior, it was secretary gates who called me. I was on leave. It was the last time i saw my father before i went to the surge. I was on a freeway outside of l. A. Driving to where he lived in a retirement home, and i took the call from secretary gates. In each case, i wanted to have a little more conversation and say, i would like you to understand who you are getting as your commander. Because my advice when it comes to drawing forces down and so forth will be based on the facts on the ground with an understanding of the mission that you have assigned us, which we will have dialogue informed by an awareness of all these other issues which you have to deal with legitimately, congressional politics, coalition politics, budget deficits. That is important. What i am saying is im going to give it to you straight, not changing it based on issues you have to deal with. I will obviously support the decision you ultimately make. David you went to afghanistan. You spent 12 months. Mr. Petraeus a little over 12 months. David what did you conclude . Did we have an effort to successfully get rid of the taliban . Mr. Petraeus well, i said in congress, we would not be able to flip afghanistan the way we flipped iraq. I really did believe we could do in iraq what we ultimately did. What was eating at me was whether we could do it fast enough, that you would have sufficient results to report six months into the surge. That was crucial. Congressional support was tenuous. We did. We reduced violence dramatically. It was sustained for three and a half years until tragically the Prime Minister undid it with highly sectarian actions. In the case of afghanistan, i was under no illusions that we could replicate what we did in iraq. The circumstances are very different. I laid out for the secretary of defence in the first meeting, the very first slide in the breathing, as powerpoint is the means of communication, it set said afghanistan does not equal iraq. There is not going to be a prospect of a dramatic improvement. What our mission was in that year and what we did accomplish was to halt the momentum of the taliban because they were on the march. And select afghan institutions so we could begin transition of some tasks, which we did, while achieving the overarching goal, which is still a valid and Important Mission for the United States in afghanistan. That is to ensure that afghanistan is never again a sanctuary for transnational extremists the way it was when al qaeda planned the 9 11 attacks there. And conducted the initial training. David you briefed president bush 43 and president obama. If they were taking an sat test, who would do better . [laughter] mr. Petraeus i do not grade the president s with which i served. David who was the better athlete . Did you ever exercise with either of them . Mr. Petraeus president bush. He could talk trash. I said, im going to give you an experience you can write off on your income tax as education. [laughter] david while you were in afghanistan, the effort to capture Osama Bin Laden was going forward. Gen. Petraeus capture or kill. David capture or kill. How were you alerted to that, because you are not directly in the chain of command for that decision that night . Gen. Petraeus no one else in our headquarters knew at all. I got up myself, no aides, anything else. We had a joint special Operations Command post at the nato headquarters in kabul where i was located. I went in there, sort of surprised them at 11 00 at night, said what are you doing in here . I asked everyone to leave except for one officer who i knew very, very well. We dialed up so we could monitor the operation. We had a lot of contingency plans. And the forces they conducted some of those, at least in the headquarters, was working for me in normal times. But that night they were working for the cia. The cia, it was a covert action, which means the chain of command runs from the president to the director of the cia, leon then, to admiral mcraven and the seal team 6 unit. David did you subsequently, the Afghan Military or their own service or intelligence versus knew that Osama Bin Laden was living there . Gen. Petraeus no, i do not think so. We pretty convinced of that. I think leon panetta supports that as do others. David you are in afghanistan after about 12 and a half months the president said i would like you to come back and be the head of the cia. Doing that meant you had to give up your military career. Gen. Petraeus i did not have to, but i chose to. I thought in fact the president and i talked about that when he made the decision to nominate me for that. And i agreed that that would be the best approach. I thought it was very important not to have folks think i was going to turn this place into a military headquarters. I literally showed up the first day and said i would do that. With no one but the security guards david was it emotional to give up your military career at that point . Gen. Petraeus it is always emotional to take the uniform off for the last time. It is a wonderful experience. But you have the prospect of this extraordinary new opportunity. It was very exciting. The cia is an Incredible Group of the men and women, the silent warriors, as we term them. You know, they also raise their hands, taking an oath at a time of war. They know they are not going to get a parade. There is nothing public about what they do. They cant even have the joy that most of us have talking about what it is they do on a daily basis. David when you get to the cia, do you say these are all the secrets the country has, and these are not as many as i thought, or these are incredible secrets . Which do think . [laughter] gen. Petraeus you know, on a near daily basis, throughout my time there, it was one of those, are you kidding me . Seriously . Really . So yeah, there are some extraordinary secrets. [laughter] gen. Petraeus by the way, those who think we do not know how to recruit spies anymore or all we do is rely on satellites or Something Like that could not be more wrong. There are incredibly talented, Clandestine Services operation that are really exceptional. David when you are at the cia, not a policy maker, but you are involved in the policy process, how did you look at the government then as opposed to when you were in the military . Gen. Petraeus i think in each case you have input. Certainly if you are the commander of a theater of war, of iraq or afghanistan, there is certainly no one who has a bigger voice, if you will, when it comes to assessments, options, and recommendations. It is more significant than the Central Commander in that regard. The same is true of the cia. Keep in mind your role at the situation room table is twofold. One, it is together with the director of National Intelligence to provide the intelligence analysis, to present what your analysts have determined. And occasionally, and the president asked me to do this, if i disagreed with analysts, which i have done three times as a fourstar commander, i broke with the Intelligence Community on National Intelligence estimates. That is a pretty big deal. In each case there is generally a reason for it. One of them was the surge, they had to cut their data off four or five weeks before i did. David you disagreed with gen. Petraeus he said look, if you disagree, i want you to give me what the analysts say, and also give me your own idea. I had more time with the Prime Minister than the analysts did. David you ever worry about a covert operation on you they might perform . Gen. Petraeus no, no. The analysts like this. The analysts want somebody who engages them. It is fun. Analysts will come in and say today, we are going to talk about the Prime Minister of iraq. I say great, have you ever met them . No . Give your best shot. David you briefed president bush 43, and you briefed, many times, president obama. What is the difference between the two on briefing them . Gen. Petraeus the bush 43 i briefed most significantly on a weekly basis together with my great diplomatic partner in the surge in iraq. We had a weekly video teleconference for an hour every monday morning 7 30 eastern standard time. The president with his National Security team around the situation room videoconferencing directly with us. He had gone all in on the surge. This was, he had put it all on the line. He had frankly overridden the advice of his advisers. Very few people were strong behind the surge. General keane by the way was one of those. So he was absolutely, intimately involved in this. Then the next day he did a Video Conference with the Prime Minister of iraq each week. So it was a different circumstance. We werent doing the surge in iraq anymore by the time president obama arrives. Iraq was in a pretty good place. The question was, how quickly can we draw down without jeopardizing what we fought and sacrificed so hard to achieve . You know, president obama famously does his homework, studies it, deliberates it. The afghan policy review that was conducted in the latter part of his first year was extraordinary. I dont think any president has ever engaged the National Security team, whatever it was, nine or 10 times directly. Before each one of those there is the Deputies Committee and the principals committee. Both very exhaustive. David they are both taking an sat test, who would do better . Gen. Petraeus i dont grade the president that i served in that way. David all right, and who was a better athlete . Did you ever exercise with any of them . Gen. Petraeus depends on the sport. President bush he could talk trash, by the way. And he did with me. He challenged me. I was in the oval office with my family after the surge in iraq, and he said, general, when will you have the guts to ride a Mountain Bike with me . I said, mr. President , do you have any idea who you are talking to . I said, i will give you an experience you can write off on your income tax as education. [laughter] david did you ever do it . Gen. Petraeus yes, i was glued to it. He is terrific. He also knew the course, had the best bike in the world. [laughter] gen. Petraeus i had to borrowed clunker. I was the road biker, but the secret service will get you if you try to pass him. I mean, this was a full contact sport when you ride with president bush. You go from fourwide it is like nascar, singletrack. Always 40. President obama, famously a great basketball player. I dont think that president bush had any illusions he could take president obama oneonone fullcourt. David what is your view about the importance of nato . Gen. Petraeus you can thank Vladimir Putin for giving it a rebirth in some respects. David the russians probably interfered with our recent president ial election. Gen. Petraeus they are trying to undermine the trust of the people in our system. That is a major issue. David you are at the cia and then because of a personal mistake, you conceded that you made, you stepped down, and you voluntarily left of the cia. Would you ever go back in another administration . Gen. Petraeus i would not rule it out. Again, i think it is an extraordinary privilege to serve ones country. And so i think again, for the right position with the right sort of context and so forth, the right conditions, it is not something that i would rule out. David would you consider running for president of the United States . Gen. Petraeus no. And i, i said i would never run back before i left government. In fact, i actually went to one of the white house chiefs of staff one time under president obama, rahm emanuel. There was a buzz that petraeus is running for office, be careful, be suspicious, he is setting himself to run in the next election. I politely grabbed rahm and i said, i am not running for the president of the United States. Please understand that. I tried truly to be nonpartisan, not just bipartisan. David what word did he use . Gen. Petraeus he used another word. [laughter] gen. Petraeus infantry men have some degree of familiarity with those words. David lets talk about the world right now and where it stands. What is your view about the importance of nato and what to improve nato . Gen. Petraeus i agree with my old marine and ship buddy, james mattis, when he said that if nato did not exist, it would have to be invented. It is a hugely important organization. It serves an extraordinary role during the cold war. The wall came down, and it continued to serve an extraordinary role. And i think that it has a new reason for living. You can thank Vladimir Putin for giving it, you know, a rebirth in some respects in terms of its importance. There is no question. I think President Trump is right that there are countries that are not paying their dues, not doing all that they should. The countries agreed that they should all pay at least 2 of their gdp for defense, and a number of countries have work to do to get to that threshold. David let me ask you about this. It is reported by many that the russians probably interfered or tried to interfere with our recent president ial election. Gen. Petraeus i do not think there is any question about it. I dont think anyone in the Intelligence Community has any questions. Essentially what they are trying to do, arguable whether they are literally trying to change the results, but to change how people might see one candidate or the other. But certainly were trying to undermine the trust of people in our system. That is, that is a major issue. David in terms of iraq, where do you think iraq is today . Is iraq stable today . Gen. Petraeus iraq, the situation obviously improved. With our help, the iraqi forces have been retrained and equipped. We are enabling them with socalled nato approved intelligence assets, drones, precision strikes, industrialstrength ability to fuse intelligence. Gradually taking back from the Islamic State those areas they seized. We will eventually defeat the Islamic State that is the army in iraq. We will then have to help Iraqi Security forces on the residual insurgents in guerrilla elements and terrorist cells. Really the issue is not these battles. I have said for two years, even from the darkest days, ultimately the iraqis would prevail in this with our assistance and that of our coalition partners. The real issue is the battle after the battle. It is very, very challenging in that regard. It is not just sunni and shia arabs. There are areas, there are kurds. All of those people have to feel they are represented in the new government. That new government has to be within means, responsive to their needs. And most importantly, minority rights are guaranteed as well as majority rule. That is a tall order. The Prime Minister, no question that he wants to have Inclusive Governance rather than exclusive. With the exclusive it was alienating the sunni arabs that created the fertile fields for the planting of extremism and the rise of isis. And the question is, will there be fertile fields again from which isis 3. 0 will arise, or not . David lets talk about syria for a moment. Syria seems to be an ongoing war that seems to have no end. What would you recommend to the president of the United States if he asks you what we should now do with syria . Gen. Petraeus they are doing a fair amount of what i would recommend. And to be fair, the Obama Administration in the final six to 12 months made a number of steps. You could argue it took too long, grudging, or what have you, but ultimately, it did take a number of steps to defeat the Islamic State as a focus. And i think now that beyond that objective of defeating isis and the al qaeda affiliate in syria, the other objective should be to stop the bloodshed. Recognize that the diplomatic effort to create some kind of an agreement that will result in a democraticallyelected, multiethnic, multisectarian government in damascus for all of syria is probably beyond reach now. So look at what kinds of interim solutions on the ground could be established, could be achieved, so that you stop the bloodshed, stop the further flow of refugees, bring some of those back, and try to stabilize the situation. David what about the iranian agreement that was negotiated under president obama . Do you support that agreement . Do you think it is working . Gen. Petraeus i do not support walking away from it without enormous reason for that. I fear that if we left it without that, we would be more likely to isolate ourselves and to isolate iran. David we have been in the Afghanistan Military combat longer than any war in our history. Do you see any prospect of getting all of our troops out of afghanistan in the for seeable future . Gen. Petraeus not in the foreseeable future. I think what we need to do is make a sustained commitment to afghanistan, stop the year on year agony on how we can draw down further. I think we have drawn down a bit too far, and it would be great to have another if you take all the coalition forces, say 5000 additional forces, back on the ground we are doing foolish things because of these troop caps. There is an Aviation Brigade deployed out there, all the helicopters and pilots obviously. They had to leave maintenance crews behind, which means you have to pay extraordinarily high cost and integrity because manufacturers are sitting in the heartland of the United States without helicopters to work on while their comrades are at war and need them. We have to think our way through that. Again, there is no blank check ever, and the afghans should not think they have that by any means. They have to deliver, but they are very much fighting and dying for their country. We need to continue to enable them. Because that mission that i talked about earlier, to make afghanistan never a sanctuary for transnational extremists, is very valid. David what about kim jongun . Nobody in the American Government has ever met him. We really dont know much about him. What do you think he is trying to do . Gen. Petraeus he is trying to build himself as quickly as he can a deterrent that will enable him to stay in power and to continue the legacy passed on to him from his father and his grandfather. The challenge for this is, this is the crisis to prevent a madman in many peoples eyes from getting a Nuclear Capability that can actually reach the United States. This is a very real threat, and it is one that confronts President Trump uniquely. I dont think any president has ever had that particular prospect. Yes, they were developing nuclear programs, yes, they had some delivery means. But if they get an Intercontinental Ballistic Missile and can get it miniaturized, put a Nuclear Device on it, that is a significant threat to the u. S. The president may be confronted by that most difficult of decisions. David what political leaders you most admire . Gen. Petraeus i am a great fan of teddy roosevelt. The man in the arena speech has always captured me. The credit belongs to the man in the arena whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood. If he fails, at least fails out of all daring greatly. David lets talk a moment about leadership. You are considered one of the great military leaders of our generation, maybe any other generation. What is leadership to you . Gen. Petraeus leadership has four tasks, which is particularly true at the strategic level. If you are commanding iraq or afghanistan, the carlyle group, you have to get the big ideas right, you have to get the strategy right. You have to communicate them effectively through the breadth and depth of the organization, oversee their implementation of these subtasks. It has metrics, your battle rhythm, how you spend your time. We have a matrix for months of how we did that. And then most importantly and a task that is often forgotten, you have to have a formal prices to determine how they have to be revised, refined, maybe shot and left on the side of the road intellectually, and do it again and again. It is same in the civilian world as well. Think of netflix. Three times they have gotten this right. They decided early on to put blockbuster out of business by mailing cds to people. They worked through that then see that blockbuster is out of business, now others are doing this. So now the connectivity is fast enough we can stream content, the videos, out to them and download them. They can do all that. Then they realize others are doing that, and they made a huge bet, i think it was 100 million on house of cards, we are going to provide content. Reed hastings, a truly admirable and innovative, impressive leader, continues to get it right. David in the military, who are the military leaders you most admire overtime . Gen. Petraeus i think ulysses s. Grant is hugely underrated. Although now finally he is once again getting his due. He was the hero of the world really after he left the white house and traveled the world on this famous tour. Wrote fantastic memoirs. And then the southern historians ran him down for the first 50 years of the past century, but gradually, regard has returned. There is a terrific biography by ron white why interviewed at the 92nd street titled american ulysses. It is a wonderful title. He really was americas ulysses in many respects. And the man of hamilton fame, his biography will be out in midoctober as well. Grant was the only general in u. S. History who was brilliant tactically, Division Level and below. These are battles with donelson and henry, the man between the lakes, brilliant operationally, at many things and not the whole theater at vicksburg, one of the greatest maneuver campaigns of all time, and then strategically when he charted the strategy for the entire union force. Because people forget, this was not inevitable. The idea that the union forces were just ultimately going to grind down the south was not inevitable until grant made it so. Had there not been for that strategy and the victory of sherman at atlanta and then sheridan in the shenandoah valley, lincoln couldve lost the election of 1864. Had mcclellin won, he might have sued for peace, and we would not have the United States as we know it now. David what political leaders do you admire . Gen. Petraeus there are a number that have gotten big ideas right over the years. Certainly those who are on Mount Rushmore deserve that. I am a particular great fan of teddy roosevelt. The man in the arena speech has always captured me. The credit belongs to the man in the arena whose face is marred by dust, and sweat, and blood. If he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, and this kind of stuff. Fdr again, another great leader. David current leaders, are there any current leaders you admire . Gen. Petraeus there are certainly some in congress have been really, very impressive. Men of enormous courage, frankly. John mccain is one who went through an extraordinary difficult period obviously in captivity in North Vietnam when he was shot down. Endured that, still has limitations of his motion today. Truly an individual of principle. I remember sitting in his office one time, and i was trying to support the nomination for an ambassador in the area that i was responsible for. We needed the individual anyway, and i realized he pulled out something on the individual and sort of confronted me with it politely. I said, this is a man of enormous principle. Indeed, he has been. David what about your legacy . You obviously have a terrific career in public service, now you are building one in the private sector. What would you like your legacy to be, people will say this is what David Petraeus was all about . Gen. Petraeus i do not know. To be candid, i have not thought thought that much about that. I have the liberally state as busy as i can, thinking about the future. Maybe, maybe it can be said he got the big ideas right a times in some critical situations. Erik welcome to a special edition of bloomberg best. I am erik schatzker. 2017 marking anniversary for the Milken Institute global conference in beverly hills. Michael milken started the conference with the goal of getting the best minds from around the globe tackling the biggest challenges. This year, policymakers, tech titans come wall streets biggest power players. I had a chance to sit down with Hedge Fund Legend ken griffin, the ceo and founder of citadel. We talked about the shakeout in the industry