Care act and the construction of a Mexican Border wall. He released a Campaign Advertisement declaring his time in office in the first 100 days is success. Donald trump, sworn in as president 100 days ago. America has rarely seen such success. A respected Supreme Court justice confirmed. Companies investing in american jobs again. America becoming more energy independent. Regulations that kill american jobs, eliminated. The biggest tax cut plan in history. You wouldnt know it from watching the news. America is winning, and President Trump is making America Great again. Im donald trump and i approved this message. Charlie the president spoke with cbss chief washington correspondent John Dickerson in a wideranging interview saturday. Among topics discussed were health care and the guarantee that preexisting conditions would be coverage covered. John i hear you say preexisting will be in there. President trump it will be in there and we will also create pools. John but it will not be left up to the states, everybody gets preexisting . President trump the states have a lot to do with it. If you hurt your knee, i would rather have the federal government focused on north korea, focused on other things than your knee. , as importantack as your back is. I would rather see the federal government focused on other things. Going to be in a much better position to take it, because its smaller. John people with preexisting conditions are worried if they would have the guarantee of coverage if they have preexisting conditions, or if they live in a state where the governor decided not a part of health care, or if the price goes up. The American Medical Association says this could make coverage unaffordable President Trump forget about unaffordable. Whats unaffordable is obamacare. John im not hearing you say theres a guarantee of preexisting President Trump we had a clause that guarantees. President trump john ok. Was a greatt interview. I know you are hearing from many people. You are clearly prepared for this. John yes. We spent the entire team at face the nation. , has been preparing this. Carry the questions around in your head, and you ask smaller versions to people who are not the president , then you get him. We have been collecting them. We want to get at the core issues. The question was which specific topic would get you there . With this president , perhaps like no one ive ever interviewed, you never know where its going to go or what claim hes going to make. To plan for eventualities that span a wide swath. Charlie and she seemed to be contradictory within the answer sometimes. The answer it doesnt even seem to be in the realm of anything you were expecting. It is such a challenge. You have to and listen to make sure you are getting it right. You have to build on it, because sometimes it is fragmentary. Charlie and most of the time he speaks in generalities rather than specifics. John thats one of the things we trying to do. Not played quiz game, but how, by the likes of his own administration, does he talk about policy . For example, he talked about the health care act, its got to help supporters or im not going to sign it. He said that six weeks ago. What has he done in the interim to make sure . That is a policy question. Its also a negotiating question. Hes a great negotiator, he says. How are you using those skills to advocate for supporters . He is fighting for the forgotten man as the story goes. How are you making sure to fight for forgotten man in key specific terms in the administration . To try and ball all the important larger questions into a specific thing to get a sense of the president he is. Charlie things like medicare . John thats right. In talking to him about that, that is also connected to texas in congress. , to taxes. In congress, the tax plan will have a big deficit effect. Even if you have 3 growth, he says he will still create 5. 5 trillion in new debt. Congress cannot pass something with that deficit number. What kind of savings my they get . Paul ryan might look to medicare and his premium support plan. Donald trump campaigned against that. We have seen him changing on a number of fronts. Will he change in on this . The key idea when asked was to get a new benchmark. You want to get new benchmarks with the president because he is changing and shifting. He said he wont touch medicare today. Thats different from when he said it six months ago. Thats his position now. Its interesting because if he walls that all from possible savings, it will be hard for congress to do all the things he wants and keep the budget anywhere close to on track. Charlie back to the discussion yesterday in terms of preexisting conditions. What is the final and your understanding of where he is . John im not quite sure. The original question was, how have you changed the bill in order to help supporters . That is about the subsidies they would get under obamacare. Those would go away. Older voters, you can charge more for them. Those are things that needed to be fixed. He said the fix was preexisting conditions, which is not really the case. There are changes they are trying to make 28 existing conditions. Part of it is part of negotiations with the conservative freedom caucus, because they think the mandates part of obamacare driveup prices. They have been asking for more flexibility at the state level. Including some of the things government can be sizable about our preexisting conditions. Theres debate over the suggestions they made about reforming preexisting coverage and removing that guarantee. I was trying to find out, once he went down that road i wasnt expecting him to in an answer to the question about his supporters, i was trying to say, are you saying no matter what are you making sure people will have coverage for preexisting conditions no matter what state . Not just that they have access, but that it costs what a rollsroyce would . Up . Lie where did it end john he said there is a guarantee for coverage of preexisting conditions, but its not clear that he can guarantee it, but can you guarantee that the price is not through the roof, and therefore the guarantee doesnt mean anything . Im not quite sure we ended up there. Charlie what else did you want to see coming out of health care . Was it where you thought were you needed clarification and a new benchmark . John john i wanted to find out how involved he has been. His argument is that he has been fighting for the forgotten man. What does it look like in practice . I understand what it looks like on the rally stump. We went with him to harrisburg, and it was as electric as it has ever been. Yes, just like the campaign. What is different is he wasnt relying on beating up his opponent, which he did often. He was relying on beating up the press and other things. He still uses that tactic. Without the campaign, does he still have the connection . Still does. Charlie and you suggested its almost like they just wanted to touch him. John absolutely. He was amazing when he was in the plant, the workers were his fans and who had been corralled into a special area they just wanted to touch him. They just love hes in there fighting for him hes in there fighting for them. Charlie and you talked about this, its not about leadership. Its about what . John its about understanding them and where they come from. Charlie that hes listening and will take their case. John exactly. Well take their case against washington. When hes bedeviled by the press, congress, or court, they see that as him in this titanic struggle against stupid forces that are elite who dont understand them, who have created policies that hurt them, and they see him as their champion in the middle of the ring. The more bloodied and scuffed up he is, it is more proof of how strong his fight is for them. Im jumping all over, but its clear hes already thinking about 2020. John hes absolutely thinking about 2020. I think thats part of what he keeps talking about, his big victory. I think he was to keep reasserting that because it gives him leverage over politicians, but i think hes absolutely thinking about the next sort of judgment, real judgment, is the election. 2018 can get in the way, but the next ratification comes four years from now. Charlie 2018 could be a terrible year for republicans. John it could be. And based on his Approval Ratings and some of the fibrillations we have seen from ernst,cans like journey , sayingike joni ernst he should not go to maralago as much, if that continues, those republicans are acting on the dynamic that could suggest trouble for republicans. It is such a good landscaper republicans in 2018, 10 who won, the public is tilted against them. He says that the Prime Minister of japan wanted to go to maralago because he wants to go play golf. He also said the president of china wanted to go there rather than washington. John they liked to go to crawford when george w. Bush took them there as well. Its a sign when we see president s visit other heads of state at their vacation villa. It suggests symbolically a relationship that is closer. Of course, the treatment maralago the trick with maralago is that it is not just his house. It has an entrance fee and its a club. You run into those issues where clearly the value of the property and membership goes up every time he visits because it is associated with him. While he not may not have hisght public support, supporters are very supportive and would love to be a member of a club or go to a Place Associated with him because of the way they see him in their support for him. Charlie everybody talks about changes in his positions more so than he does. And that the presidency has changed him, but also he has changed the presidency. Thes clear he has changed presidency because weve never seen anybody act like he does. Clearly it has changed him because he changes positions based on what i assume is advice from people in the administration. John yes. And tradeoffs, once he comes into the fuller grasp of the issues, and the tradeoffs, it becomes more clear. On china he says of course we will not declare china a currency manipulator because they are helping us with north korea. I will not do anything to china that will slow them down. Charlie and says we will go easy on trade or less tough on trade, because we want them to help us with north korea, and at the end of the day thats more important. John when people would raise this issue during the campaign, he was not going to entertain that. It was full speed ahead on china, china is horrible in all these different ways. He is coming to the realization or he was being coyly in the first place by the way, there ona tradition of beating up china and turning around but this is one of the Great Questions of President Trump. His first bombastic statements on nato, china, nafta, where they an opening gambit in the negotiation where you make an outrageous claim with full knowledge knowing you will need to back down, and give them something you always were going to give away, or out of ignorance, and then learns more when hes in touch with the issues and changes his mind . Thats the great question to ask. Charlie one of the interesting things about him, as you pointed out in the interview, is that in the beginning, he seemed to be on chinas case and friendly and open to possibilities with russia, and saying nothing. Egative to putin he has now flipped it over. He now speaks often about his friendship with xi jinping, and has not yet begun to criticize russia, but a lot of the people around him have begun to criticize russia. John absolutely. Model of russia. Syria launches the chemical weapons attack and the president retaliates. The secretary of states tough on russia, saying russia allowed this to happen, maybe not fully cognitively, but they did not behave themselves. They had to have known. And the russians are doing other things, supplying weapons to the taliban in afghanistan, and pressing on the u. S. In other ways. The president is still maintaining that favor of russia posture, but his u. N. Ambassador rice and secretary of state, and even the secretary of defense, has said much tougher things, and the president s support of nato is a bank shot. Russia doesnt like having a strong nato. The extent that the president has changed his mind, that is the harshest thing he has said about russia, the support for nato. Charlie after all thats been said and done, he refuses to say russia was responsible for hacking and trying to influence the american election. John what is it . Favoritism for Vladimir Putin . Or the fact that if you accept for a moment that the russians were trying to hack into the election, put the cloud over his victory . I think the answer is that if any hacking in the election put a cloud over his victory, it doesnt matter if they are the russians or the chinese. He says, it could be china. In that case, it could be a protection for russia. Charlie it goes against the grain of every intelligence source in the u. S. As far as i know. Intelligence sources, the fbi, the republican chairman of the investigative committees, everybody. This is a simple question of messed with the election, not collusion. Charlie it also comes up in this clip, which i want the audience to see, where he still seems to live with the idea that hes not prepared to change what he has said about whether president obama was trying to wiretap in at trump tower. Here it is. President trump you saw what happened with surveillance. You saw what happened with surveillance. John i think that was inappropriate. What does that mean . President trump you can figure it out. John the reason you the reason i say is because you called him sick in bed. President trump you can figure it out sick and bad. President trump you can figure it out yourself. John you stand by that claim . President trump i dont stand by anything. I think our site has been proven strongly. Everyones talking about it. It should be discussed. That is a very big surveillance of our citizens. That is a very big topic and a topic that should be number one, and we should find out what the hell is going on. John i just wanted to find out. You are the president of the united states. You said he was and that sick and bad. President trump you can take it anyway you want. John i want to know from you. You are the president. President trump i have my opinions and you have yours. John i want to know your opinions. Youre the president of the united states. President trump thats enough. Thank you. Thank you very much. Charlie tell me what you were thinking. What were you feeling . Did you feel the temperature rising . John not particularly. We were talking about the way the job is, what better room than the oval office . He said that people come into the room and they are overwhelmed. We talked about the weight of the job and what it is like to take orders that might kill people, and might kill people that are innocent. He likes to seek opinion. Who do you seek opinion for on that . There are not a lot of people on the planet who have made those decisions. I asked if he spoke with president obama. He said no. Then basically charlie but we stopped. John right. He not only stopped talking to him, but he said the president was sick and bad, and compared him to nixon. The fbi director said the president claimed that president Obama Wiretapped trump tower, theres no evidence. And the idea that the president himself is the one responsible for this is legally impossible and theres no evidence for that. And yet, the president , despite what the fbi director has said, and the heads of the intelligence community, and the former National Intelligence hangs on to still this idea. He is essentially cutting himself off. Charlie and thats exactly what was talked about. Advice. He had good john it is hard to figure out whether hes offended by what he thinks he believes, whether hes offended whether hes in a box because he made this assertion and cannot back down from it, but i think its also possible that a president who had john mccain and Lindsey Graham for dinner a week ago on monday is the guy who can be adamantly against somebody one minute and, a breakfast be having them over for breakfast. That is one of his qualities. Charlie what happened in this case, as you said, he just simple he said the interview was over. Enough,said, thats and left me there stranded. Charlie nothing was exchanged after that . Communication . John no. It was clear it was over. No more asking about this. There was a great sense of the nullity. Charlie of finality. Charlie and then you flew out to pennsylvania . John to harrisburg. We had several more conversations and ended up having dinner that night. Charlie did he make any reference to it . John he expressed his displeasure again with it, but that was not the purpose it came up in conversation and reminded me he didnt like it. Charlie why didnt you make it is my question why didnt he like it, is my question. John i dont know. I was trying to figure out what he was saying. This is a serious charge. What is the charge . He may not just a charge that president Obama Wiretapped him, but that his character, that he man. Bad and sick this is a character claim and a claim of evidence. What do you know about this and what are you saying happened . Also when you think about it so seriously that you have cut yourself off from this person you once said was so helpful, and who could be helpful on things like north korea and other things with a developing situation . You can imagine president often want to check in with her predecessor to see what the nature of the landscape was like. Charlie do we know in what way hes cut trying to connect , which is to ask for the unmasking of tapes that took place between someone they were legitimately following, and spoke to American People to find out more . John the president made the unsubstantiated claim she did something criminal. Charlie what was it . John he didnt say. The speculation could be that she unmasked, which is within her rights, but the question is whether she unmasked to much too much. And once she unmasked, did she leave it to somebody . Did it get into the public water . Which she has denied in a variety of different ways. There has been one nbc report that the house and intelligence committees in the house and senate, that on both sides, there are people saying theres no evidence she did anything wrong. Thats one report. Theres a lot of anonymous this and that going on, but the president made his claim and still has no evidence, and nobody has brought up any evidence about whether she unmask too much or whether she spread it around. Charlie what is amazing to me about this interview, it was what, 20 minutes . John a little over 20 minutes. Charlie i thought it was an hour interview. John [laughter] it felt like about four minutes to me. Other questions got in, he would talk over you, repeatedly. There was a kind of edge to the way he responded. Edge. I like that one of the things that he understands, that good politicians understand, is that they look better if they are engaged directly with the question. A lot of times he was running around it , but a good giveandtake is that you can cover a lot of ground. T is a kind of give and take i interviewed him 19 times during the campaign. We have those kind of exchanges. Heis was a little bit he hadittle faster than been in previous ones in terms of interject. Ing. It was at times a spirited exchange. It was a really tough to nail down the point of the conversation sometimes. Charlie in your impression, does he love the job . John its a good question. I think he does when he was in that plant, and when hes in the rally, he loves it. Charlie so he loves the campaigning part. John he loves the idea of being reconnected with the people for whom hes fighting. I think he doesnt like to be noble by a Thousand Oaks ducks in washington. He has somes why affection, maybe thats not the right word, for erdogan, even putin, for their ability to move to a result without the obstacles of democratic institutions. Charlie checks and balances. John and this is what all president s come into. Abouteen reading recently spoke N Ted Sorensen sorry, this is from solicitor, about the bureaucratic state, and how kennedy thought that the bureaucratic state kept getting in his way and thwarting him. That is exactly what steve bannon would describe it as. Aside with the objectives are between them, this notion that there is this constantly throwing ropes over your kneecaps to keep from making progress, that is a very familiar phenomenon. And then that is where president s start to go wrong. They start to try and get around those prohibitions. That is where they start running afoul of the law. Charlie you talked about places where they go to the point of crossing over reality. John or they put too much pressure on a senator. Everybody has a different breaking point, but there was once a tradition in washington where senators would bristle at being lobbied by the white house. I cant remember the senators , he said, Vice President , if you ever do this again, i will vote in the opposite direction of what you want even if i dont believe it. Lyndon johnson was on the phone to russell all the time, but the idea that you can press too hard and then break a relationship is not illegal but it makes it hard to get anything done. , charlie it seems to me he changed positions, but he has clearly changed. Me, you cannot reach out as much as he does, ask people what they think about what he is doing. I think he likes that aspect of it. He is the goto guy. He wants to see you, most people go. They talk to him on the phone. He seems to have this place which is a virtue of the office that he can reach out for the opinions of everybody, reach out to talk to anybody, he can solicit everybody. He did that during the transition, during the campaign. It has to have some cumulative impact anything. Guest i would think. The question is, is that what he is doing . He is new at this and all kinds of different ways. Is he building an understanding of the world based on the interviews he is doing or is he looking for a fixer . Shopping for a thousand different opinions to find somebody who says yes, youd turn left and then you find the golden key for your legislation passed. Charlie hes looking for the Silver Bullet . Guest the permitting office says it will take two months but if you can find a guy who knows a guy, he can get either permitting in a week or a day. People do exist. If you can get your passport, you can get it renewed very quickly if you pay a guy, so instead of having to wait for six months or something. I wonder if that is in part what he is looking for, which is like, this cannot possibly be this complicated. A smarter way. That is part of what his success in business was built around, knowing how the world really looks, not the you know. You know plenty of people that are like this, sort of like the people who, when i was growing up, they never pay retail. John they know a guy who can get you a thing, and i wonder if there is not some of that. In washington, you are always kind of looking for that although there are not a lot of people that can help you get there in that way. Charlie even after 100 days, he seems to be guided i the idea that everything is about winning and secondly, this sense he has of how does it look . The sense of sanity and optics. Is from thethat campaign and from his life. If you talk to those who assess his career in business, it is really as a marketer. As a person who really thought about putting the name on the building and turning that into a brand, turning that into a tv show brand. That seems to connect with his previous life. That is what a lot of his executive orders are about, orders by his administration to study a thing. As far as practicable u. S. Steel if you read the thank you orders, a lot of them are a lot less than delivered. Like the executive orders that tosident obama used hi sign, they send a message to your administration that the boss wants this. It shows the people at the other end of the negotiation that you care about it. So it is not without import. It also has a big symbolic value as well. Pieces true with the 29 of legislation he signed. Why do we interrogate the question of what legislation he has signed . We want to know if he can negotiate washington as well as he negotiated in the business world. The really powerful stuff that has been used is a result of the congressional review act, which allows congress to remove legislations passed in the ending days of the obama administration. No negotiation necessary because there are special rules. We still do not have a sense of his real negotiating skill in the legislative arena. Charlie what did you not get to that you really wanted to talk to him about . Some of it i may save for the next time, although there might not ever be one. [laughter] i would like to talk to him about that question. He talks about fake news a lot and what it is that its fake about it and why, the question is, he is a norm breaking president. He changed the presidency. What remains and why does it remain . John what are the values that retain the structure of the presidency as he wants to reshape it. Why is that important . He is not going to be president some day. There is a reason we have these structures in washington. The presidency, the shared power system. It is so that chaos they are supposed to be fighting in chaos. Shooting each other in the streets. When we start pulling out the girders that hold up the system, what is left . Does that leave a hole open . Enduring toluse, tactics, winning for winnings sake . All of that would be interesting to find out. What is the set of beliefs he has that give him shape and purpose is it only getting to a winning result . If that is the case, that is pretty unpredictable. What is that guiding sentiment . Was,ie the other question what is it that you most want to know about this president . I actually really want to know if he really likes the job because i do not i think charlie why does that interest you . John it does not interest me at all charlie it does not interest me at all because i do not think he does. John there are things that we just do not want to do them and fortunately, we have people in our lives who say you have got to do this. A, you got eightther to do this. It. Ou have to do does he have anybody around saying you have got to do it . B, that can wear on you after a while. Minute, you are having to pardon in turkey. The next minute after that, you are having to meet charlie that is a small price. He may not like it. Michael bloomberg did not like campaigning in the beginning. He learned to love it. John is he learning to love the part of the job he hates now . Charlie for example, he would start off not liking praise and end up loving parades. John i think there is a cumulative weight of the stuff you do not like. If it gets too heavy, then every day is a flaw. Bad decisions come to the president. That is the name of the job. Charlie what politician do you know that loves attention more than donald trump . Think any. Even negative attention, he does not mind. I think he likes negative attention, too. Charlie i rest my case. This job, this oval office, has given him more attention than he could have ever dreamed of. You are saying he doesnt like it . That is what i dont understand. Job wasay the other tougher, he gets caught up in all that stuff. Im of the believe he things it is tougher because the stakes are higher, because it is a different dimension, and because it is more than about money. To make. Is a fair case i think that if that is the good part of the job, there is other stuff that is not the good part and how much the adulation and attention balance it out . There are other parts of the job where you are not getting any attention and you are stuck in the routine of the job, and that can weigh on people more than others. I am not saying this is the case. What is the accretion of the bad parts . Maybe he does not like them. There is no accretion. Those are the bad parts, im going to spend my time doing the parts. Charlie my sense i do not know the answer to this. I know him reasonably well. What does he really care about . I mean, he is not a leader. He watches a lot of television. He loves conversation, loves conversation. He likes strong people in his judgment, he likes beautiful things, and he likes to win. John you could imagine you him tomagine him wanting see that he made America Great again by the definition that he sees it, which is everybody in those rallies will not just love him for what he says hes going to do, but will say he did it, had done it, he was able to. Charlie contrast that to barack obama, and what he wanted. And how much he did. You know what i mean . 41ma is admiring of bush because he thought he saw and took the country ahead of his own ambition. He was a man of great honor and a man of great integrity and someone who always put the country first. You can say that about a lot of people, but that was who he was. And i think that probably reflected how obama felt about himself. John it is interesting, where you would find president obama, obviously, from the beginning of his presidency to the end. There is that great line about, you know, you dont get to write whole chapters of history. You get to write about a paragraph and you want to make sure you get your paragraph right. Charlie and dont screw it up. More than once, he said dont screw it up. John if you recognize the limitations of the presidency, that it is not an action hero presidency and congress has a role to play and Foreign Policy interrupts the things youre trying to do and the judiciary has its role, that you cannot do these grand things. So within the limited scope you have, you set things up to make life better for those people that you remember from your days as a community organizer. That is Barack Obamas sort of touch stone group, you can imagine. Im out of my depth. It you can imagine him having in his mind those people who were struggling, he wanted to help. The same way donald trump has that view about the people who come to his rallies. You want to do better by then, setting up an economy that is doing much better than the one he inherited. On Foreign Policy, well, we cannot revisit the entire obama legacy, but i think if you believe what he told jeffrey not makingout mistakes in Foreign Policy, the action you do not take in that smart asyria is as the actions you do take, it goes back to your point about not doing stupid things. Charlie the idea of saying we often do not say to ourselves about decisionmaking. And people who oppose obama make this point. You know, he did not weigh the option of not acting, the decision not to act. That has consequences. He did not seem to weigh that as much as he did. John although in the case of syria and the red line, he said not acting was itself a great decision. He did not give in to the Foreign Policy blog that says you have to stay in the grooves of the foreignpolicy consensus and to get out of those ruts hurts american credibility across the world. He said im not going to bind to that worldview. Breaking that, as he articulated to jeffrey goldberg, was itself a success for him. In that case, he did understand the weight of not acting. Maybe the critics would say that that is his spin on not acting, but there were consequences to not acting that were longerlasting. Certainly lots of people charlie critics will say that the way to express that on the other side, the flipside of that is that if in fact you draw a redline, you know, and you do not act, there are consequences for that, huge consequences for that. John secretary of defense matus tisls a story about mat told a story about hearing from when the redline was not crossed, i guess america is not on the field anymore. In other words, not just about the region of syria, but it having global ramifications. Charlie that was a ramification of the redline . John of the decision not to act, not to back up the language. When President Trump told said in our interview that it is the North Koreans test, he would be very happy, he did not say military use. I asked him specifically and he said we will see. Pres. Trump this was a small missile, not a big metal. This was not a nuclear test which he was expected to do three days ago. We will see what happens. You say not happy. What do you mean . Pres. Trump i will not be happy if he does a nuclear test. I will not be happy. I can tell you also that i do not believe the president of china, who is a very respected man, will be happy either. Not happy meaning military action . Pres. Trump i dont know, i mean, we will see. John redline can get drawn other than being perfectly explicit. That is one of the dangers of a presidency so oriented to action. We all expect action from our president s. That is one of the Great Questions about the presidency. There are lots of times great leaders have chosen not to act and that was a smarter thing to do. When you set yourself conditions where you have to act if certain things happen, you take away part of your power as president. Of course, we could go on. Charlie i do want to hold you up. Just a minute or two. The other thing that intrigues me about him, and i asked him this question when i run into what ist is it about your story that you do not think is coming out . Nothing, he did not tell me. The idea of what it is he thinks we do not know about him, we do not understand about him. John i dont think he thinks he gets enough credit for what he has done. Just that we are not noticing the pile of gold he has accumulated. We are just noticing these other things. Charlie what should we be saying about him at 100 days . John what you would say on his terms charlie other than some legislative success. John the problem for him by counting the 29th all the has signed is like saying i have got a 29th rebuilding, but there are not stories in the first five floors of the building. Some of it is important, but he did not have much of a role in that. Charlie tattoo form is a huge piece. Nominationgorsuchs was a big deal because he managed that. It was a smart part of his president ial campaign. Here is a list of people i would put on the court. They were very skeptical he would do the right thing. This is a person who has changed his mind a lot on key issues like abortion, on what party he belongs to. When you put the list out and said i will name somebody from themlist, that helps elector lee. They only voted for him for the Supreme Court. He was able to manage that, pick somebody good, put it through the senate. Mitch mcconnell helped him by changing the rules of the senate. That is a win in both the way it was managed and done. The head of a lot of these agencies at both the department of justice and the fda, epa, the ftc, they are taking directions that are very much different than the obama administration. There is a fundamental changes in the wave those industries operate, and if you for example, the if the fda changes the way in which they evaluate new drugs, that is a big deal. Those kind changes are happening based on the personnel he has put in place. He is way behind even naming the people for a lot of these agencies, which creates the most agencies in part because he has not put the names in the pipeline. The people he has named are changing things in a way that are going largely unnoticed and will make real change in things that really affects people, and that is another big thing he has a college even though he may not even cite that as the things he has accomplished. When reason magazine can give realredit for being a deregulating president because of the people he has named, that is a surprise. Reason was not a big fan of him when he was a candidate. He has made some Real Progress in taking down epa. John he has named people who were opponents of the agencies that they now had, so you have toys Key Educational advocate as head of the education department. The epa headed by someone who sued the epa. Texas oil guy head of the energy department, leaving aside that energy does more than just actual energy. There is a big nuclear peace. Those kind of things. Charlie you said energy guide. Energy guy. John i met the oil guy. I meant the oil guy. Those people feel at the government was letting them down, there was no voice for them, they do not see it in the media or the culture. They see it in him. Charlie what is it most people feel about donald trump . John that he is e rratic, and the changes will end up harming people who do not have the means to fight back, theso i think probably first one, that there will be and your revocable active impulse. Charlie if he does everything he wants to do, it brings, you know, huge change to america. And depending on how you see what he wants to do, you either like it or do not like it, but he has he wants to be bold. John that is for sure, absolutely. Bold, going back to what you were saying, in terms of what he wants, i mean, he puts his name on buildings in huge gold letters. The presidency cannot end with a tiny little footnote. He wants to see it in big, bold letters. He ran his presidency on fundamentally reshaping the entire american experience. He has a big goal here. Make America Great again is not let us see if this sunday we can have a picnic. It is not a small goal. Charlie is this the best time to be a journalist . John hmm. Um, it is a great time in the sense that opponents and supporters and those who are wary of President Trump and those in the press are being forced by the disruption to reevaluate why they believe what they believe, and what is the bedrock value in times of massive change that you hold onto. Do you change your standards, do you keep your standards . This is the plus column. The minus column is that it feels like people in both parties, but also in the public, are more in a mood to motive question, the sense of we are all in this together as americans is harder to find, except on greeting cards. Social media exacerbates that. It elevates the hottest voices, and then it allows misunderstanding to happen. Everybody can sidle off into their own self soothing news outlets that confirm what they believe which is both a set of facts that may not be straight and that the person on the other side is not just wrong, but they are evil. Acidicads to a vinegary awfulness in the conversation. That makes it very hard if you believe in tried to maintain a certain set of standards and reasoning to a conclusion and that you bring forward your little reasoned conclusion, even if it is preliminary, and it gets doused with this acidity. That is also great. Ending this, i have taken you much longer than you wanted to come here. John it is my great joy to be with you, charlie. [laughter] charlie i have asked this of president. Are there skills you wish you had, books you wish you had wish academic courses you you had taken, maybe shakespeare [laughter] charlie that would enable you to do your job better . You know what i mean . John i do. Charlie president s often smile. John that is what im going to steal because it is a great one to ask. The capacity to understand your own weaknesses is a crucial thing in any job. Charlie it is an interesting question for donald trump. Does he understand his weaknesses . John that is what i asked him about in terms of who tells you know. No. Ls you charlie that is an essential question about him. Does he understand his weaknesses . John right. Charlie go ahead. John the one great advantage i have had and the huge weakness is that i was born in washington. Now, i have worked very hard and have had the blessing of marrying somebody who was not born in washington and spend a lot of time where she is from, and connected with her family and other parts of my family that is not in washington and have spent my whole political career trying to get the heck out of washington. I spent a lot of time on the campaign trail talking to people, trying to live that life , collecting names of people i touch with when i am back here. The cocooning nature of washington and the benefits of living here are a constant thing you have to keep pushing against. That is one thing. Itellectually, i wish dont know. I had that classic liberal Arts Education. Charlie you had a classic liberal Arts Education . John right, although i think in science and business, i think i covered them, but i wish i knew a little bit more about them as much as i knew about literature and politics. Charlie i have a sense about you, jon, as a friend of mine and a colleague of mine, that 2017, it is a little bit like i dont want to overdo this when churchill you are minute history. He said everything i have ever done has helped has prepared me for this moment. That is what churchill said in 1940. There are times in which you see someone and they are in their element and it seems to me those things have come together. That is why i have taken at least one hour of your time, so thank you. John i am always better for being in your company. Charlie John Dickerson. For all of us, the great moderator of face the nation. Thank you for joining us. See you next time. Apple dropping in extended trading. Optimism inboost 500u. S. Economy, the s p within four points of a record. U. S. Auto sales hitting the brakes, numbers dropping again last month. Threatensnt trump sanc