Tell me exactly briefly, quickly, then well turn to our things and come back to the report per se, how this came about. It came about, the president looked at what the challenges were and things that had been addressed in the first seven years of his term and determined that there were a number of challenges that continued. Essentially what this was was a preparation of a transition memo for the next president. Jim clapper, the directorer of National Intelligence, has the last three or four years in each of his presentations to the congress, on what the major threats are facing the United States, has ranked cybersecurity number one. Its just not the case that the country has treated it as the number one threat. We have far more resources and emphasis and mind share and attention to counterterrorism, which is appropriate. And homeland security. But we were, in terms of a whole range of dimensions, really kind of underfocused on the cybersecurity challenge. There were a number things that we could do that would enhance cybersecurity and thats how to commission came about. Charlie what did you do . Basically what we did, i was honored to serve with tom as the private sector counterpart to this. We looked at areas that we were in the executive order looked to focus on. Primarily kind of in broad terms, the issues around the security of the internet itself. Identity management, internet of things, which is the area its no longer your phone and computer, its cameras, its sensors, its traffic monitors, health devices, all those things now are potentially devices where, a, hack or some issue where a hack or some issue could occur. In addition to that we were asked to look at government itself. The appropriate systems within government, the processes of government, how government responds to cyber versus counterterrorism and the like. And then we went off and did our work. International standards and consumer charlie how did you do your work . Experts, hearings . We had hearings across the country. Started with new York Financial services, the Financial Community and the consumers in minneapolis. We had six hearings, i think. Charlie is it fair to say most people are vulnerable . I think most people who are uninformed are vulnerable. If youre aware as consumer of the technology that you can do things to protect yourself. I think the very important that everyone understand that theres no 100 solution in todays environment for a cyberthreat. So theres great risk. There are great benefits to the technology, whether its economic expansion, commercial terms, enjoyment, personal life kibledses of issues, which you do as an individual, but everybody should be sensitive to the fact that theres no 100 technical assurance that this will not happen either to their company or to the individual. Charlie National Security advisor, you dealt with putin, you dealt with the chinese, you know something about their record with respect to hacking. Talk to me about how you see the crisis that we now face in terms of the president ordering an investigation into whether the russians hacked and finding out exactly what was done and y and, secondly, chuck schumer, john mccain, jack reid calling for congressional investigations the president wants to investigate. You have congress saying they wont investigate coming up when they go back in january, and the new congress as well. What do you think is going on . First of all, the investigations are fully appropriate at this point. Last spring and summer you had some private sector organizations saying that the russian entities, russiandirected entities, entities that had long history of association with the Russian Intelligence Services were responsible for some of the hacking into the Democratic National committee and other things. Then you had an extraordinary thing happen in october. The director of National Intelligence, jim clapper, who represents 17 intelligence agencies in this government, announced publicly that in fact the Russian Federation, directly from the government itself, was involved in hacking related to the election. You had admirable mike rogers, the headful National Security agency, come out and say charlie and also cybercommand. Thats exactly right. Said at the wall street journal c. E. O. Conference recently that in fact you had a country, clearly russia, who had interfered, tried to interfere in the election to try to get specific effects. This, though, and the russians of course deny all this. And say, we dont engage in cyberattacks and election interference. That of course is just not true. In my own judgment, again, im not seeing the intelligence thats been the subject of a lot of the debate, but as a broad matter, theres no doubt that i think the russians, based on what we said publicly, have been involved in trying to interfere with the elections here. And its part of a broader strategic approach by the russians. This is information warfare. Espionage happens. What happened here is the information was acquired and then it was made public for certain purposes. I cant judge the intent with specificity, but clearly some intent was intended with respect to the elections and its part of a broader kind of confrontation that were having with putins russia. Charlie lets just talk about so, theres no doubt in terms of these intelligence agencies, that clapper is responsible. They report to him and he reports to the president , correct . Theres no doubt that in their mind, that there was hacking by the russians. Right. Charlie what you seem to have today is some difference as to whether the intent was to help Donald Trumps election. Reports in the press say that the f. B. I. Has not reached that conclusion, but the c. I. O. Has. Again, i dont have any way to judge that at this point. What is clear, which is why there needs to be an investigation, right, thats exactly the point of this, right, its an extraordinary thing. A foreign power, in my own judgment, a power that has gone quite hostile to the United States since putin came back into office in the spring of 2012, has charlie perhaps because he saw an opportunity. Has attempted to interfere with the elections in the United States. And we should find out exactly what happened, what the intentions were, and what the effects were. Charlie john bolton, for example, who may be trump appointed to the state department or somewhere else, former u. N. Ambassador, has said the following. He said, look, when the question came up about whether Hillary Clintons server had been hacked, it was said, we dont know, but we saw no evidence of it, but the russians, if they did it, are smart enough now not to leave any evidence. Then he points to what is happening now and says, look, how are they so sure . Did the russians leave evidence on one side but not leave evidence if they hacked on the other side . I dont know the details but i do know this. This is a process that takes into account all manner of information. That you have access to. You put it together in an analytical judgment and i know quite a bit about the intelligence community. Its not conceivable to me that the director of National Intelligence would go out and say with high confidence that the Russian Federation has attempted to interfere if they didnt have quite a good case for that. Again, this is why the country needs to know the answer to this question. Charlie the question is important regardless of what the motive was. The question is important. If they can hack into important government exactly. Were not debating the outcome. Election here. Weve had an election outcome of the election here. Weve had an election, but its important for the country to know what the vulnerable vulnerabilities were here from vulnerabilities were here from a technical perspective and its important to know whether the Russian Federation in a determined way tried to interfere in the elections. Charlie there have been cases in which you believe the chinese were doing this kind of thing too. I dont know we have a case of trying to interfere in an election. Charlie you listen to all these experts and clearly you want to do two things. One, you want to Alert America by this report. To the dangers of not being prepared for with cybersecurity. Correct. Charlie the second question is, how do do that . There are multiple steps. We think the first step, which president obama was gracious enough to review it and suggest, is that we meet with the president elects team. Some of the appropriate members of his team. And take them through the recommendations. Because theres steps in here that i think any administration can do immediately and others will take some times. There are things that can be done immediately as far as establishing a Collaborative Initiative between the private sector and the Public Sector around things like identity management. So make it harder for them to identify or hack you and while the government can become the standard for best practice of identity management, they can do that themselves. The internet of things. How to make those cameras, sensors, whatever, more secure, so build you have a they were sta so whether you have a thermostat in your house or you use a fitbit or what have you, theyre more secure. You basically why those two things first . You addressed the biggest vul vulnerabilities, how they get biggest vulnerabilities, how they get access to us. Or three these devices no one associates being computers but they are these days, cameras, thermostats, etc. Then theres the government itself. Theres some roles for government, ill pass the roles to tom and talk a little bit what they can do within the technology of the government and i think toms better to address the roles of the Management System of government. They can immediately consolidate their network on the civilian side of network. Much like the militarys already consolidated, and make it secure, so its very difficult to get access into the government systems, just through the network itself. Longterm they need to fix their systems. In the shortterm they could make it harder to get into those systems. Theres a whole series of recommendations around what a new administration should do within the white house, within the ill pass it. Charlie we have a conflict between Silicon Valley and the white house, with respect, and the justice department, as to, you know, backdoor all kinds of things having to do with security for devices. The key is, if you think about it, just pragmatically, theres a lot of issues around law enforcement, but the only way to solve this problem is if the technical community, a lot of Silicon Valley, and the and ment come together the big research universities. Theres the only way to solve the problem. Charlie why hasnt it been done . Why havent they come together to do this . Everybody realizes theres a power here of balancing security and privenesy. Ill speak a little bit to privacy. Ill speak a little bit to the Silicon Valley side of things. The mindset of companies. It has nothing to do with the individuals and young companies. I. B. M. If you go back to the founder of i. B. M. The ultimate entrepreneur of his time they juft wanted to be left alone. Now we have the Technology Version of this today. These new social media companies, what have you, their preference when they come to work is, leave us alone. Thats their preference, leave us alone. When things occur, they really dont want to be burdened by requests from the government for all these informations that they might have in their systems, etc. They want to be left alone. They start with a bias of, just kind of leave me alone. The other bias is, theres been situations to defend them for a second, whereas the information that theyve shared, for whatever sets of reasons, is used in a way that hurts their companys brand. So you can share the information with the appropriate government agencies, we talk about information sharing in the report, but doing it in such a way where their brands are protected and it doesnt have an impact to their customers and therefore their revenue bases. The point were making, it starts with collaboration. The key for these incidents when they occur is information sharing and its both the Network Providers as well as the Technology Companies, to share the information in a way where they can do it in a secure way and a way that protects them, the companies now, from litigation, trial lawyers, etc. But at the same time allows the government and the appropriate authorities to have access to what they need to do their jobs. Charlie Large Companies are hit all the times in terms of hacking. Theyre better at it. Charlie in terms of defensive measures. Exactly. We did this in our hearings as well. Financial services is much foe Financial Services the Technology Companies i think is extremely good. You put the banks right up there with them. Theyre very, very good. Our vulnerability is the Midsized Companies. And the Midsized Companies need to really adopt a standard that was created by nist in the government for cybersecurity and adopt the same standards that the large guys nile charlie thats part of what this report is about . Very uneven in the United States. We try to identify the coming trenledses. The internet of things. Were going to have billions of devices connected to the internet in the foreseeable future here. Essentially what happened is the physical world and the cyberworld have converged. Aum these devices that all these devices you use every day are going to be points of vulnerability. We tried to think about that, thats a vulnerability in the cybersecurity system, what we call for here is setting standards and trying to get security by design, security at the front end. In these devices. And simple things too for consumers. Tell consumers that this fact, their that in fact, here are standards and this device has met standards through a labeling. A nutritional labeling sort of thing. When we were growing up, if you had an appliance and it had a u. L. Signal on it, Underwriters Lab signal on it, by an independent organization, you had some confidence that that was a safe device. We dont have anything like that in the software world, or the internest things devices world. We call for a number of steps like that to try to anticipate trends. You asked why it hasnt been done. You have to put in place the incentives to do. This because the incentive of a company is to get its device, its product to market as quickly as possible. Were trying to put in place structures and incentives so security is thought about, unlike when the internet first came on, security wasnt the focus. No. Scientific documents. Thats how to began. Try to get a number of these big trends right from the start. Charlie the energy star, there was a big focus on energy star a few years ago. Think of this as a cyberstar. When you as a consumer, whether its a software fruct or device, will have this star that you know at least it competes at some level of a standard of security. Then that would help educate ll the people. The the incentives are interesting. We debated this in the commission because we felt it should be marketdriven approaches, you know, versus heavily regulated. Because stuff moves too fast. What is the balance of the right level of incentives to allow this to occur . I think we agree that, including the private sector and the folks there that are representing the government, all agree that we need a design and security day one. Thats the most important thing. Educate the user and design in day one. Dont have it be an afterthought. After products are already on the market. And get cleaned up later by the i. T. Part. Charlie i remember, he did an interview and said this during an interview with r. A. Ellison, he said to me at the time, that this question of, what in fact is n. S. A. Doing . He said, theres so much stuff about individuals out there and so many people have access to it, its remarkable. What you can find out. Correct. Yes. But this is why now we say that if the people if you were aware of all that, you would take i think precautions to protect yourself, like you do with your credit cards. If say, do you protect your credit card . Of course you protect your credit cards. It should be the same thing. You can say, well, its harder to use. Its really not up. Swipe the credit card and clip it with the chip. It can be simplified. But i think the consumer, we have a whole section here of Consumer Awareness to educate the consumer to address these kinds of vulnerabilities. Theres an education piece and a number of things we talked about is trying to make these devices so that it is easier for the consumers to act in an appropriate and secure way. One of the r d priorities we ask for here is to do deeper work on trying to get to devices that are easier to use and are more naturally used by the consumer in a secure way. Charlie do we have now a significant collaboration with the Tech Community . Yes. Sure we do. I think so. I guess there were incidents along the way, but i really do believe at the end of the day theres a pretty good working relationship between the Tech Community and government. Its been especially true, you take d. O. D. Or homeland, National Security, theres been an excellent relationship for years and still continues to be. Theres work to be done. One of the things we call for, sam referenced earlier, we call for here is much deeper and faster sharing. And provide more incentives and protections for companies who are concerned about certain vulnerabilities. Give them more incentive to share with the government. We also some of the things that are at status right now, for example, is the password. Our evidence shows that if you look at the last six years, most of the major breaches were related to some sort of flaw in identity. So there are, you know, offerings out there that can protect you. Multifactor authentication is one, for example. But not being used broadly. We call for a process here to get to that. Charlie people stand up and say do it now. Exactly. So we call for here, for example, to develop the best authentication technologies that you can, and start with the government. For example, to have the government say the government has mass consumer citizen facing portals. I. R. S. , health care, the v. A. , your passport office, d. H. S. And we should start we should set an example, in fact, if you deal with those portals, those interfaces, you need to have stronger authentication. Even multifactor authentication. We should make every federal contractor and plea employee use it. This is an incredibly important parcel solution. If youre not doing it, youre making yourself vulnerable. Charlie when you travel to moscow or beijing, do you use your cell phone . Do you use your computer . No. [laughter] when i was working, they would give me a new one when i returned. They would scrape the software. The Hardware Devices they would completely replace the software. I also knew, i was trained, never leave the computer in your room, they would come in and take your hard files. I was trained. I lived in asia almost 35 years ago, i was trained back then not to do these things. Some of us were trained decades ago what not to do in these kinds of countries. Charlie when you would return as c. E. O. Of i. B. M. , they would wipe your computer completely. And your phone and whatever else youd used. And id have a new Software System that theyd put in that was cleaned up and secure. What they would do is and its also you can do it here but what they would when you click on your phone, they would put some piece of software into your phone to monitor what was going on. Once you come back to work in the United States and youre at work and youre behind your fire wall, theyre in the system at that point. Thats how they do it. Charlie isnt that what happened at sony . Exactly. Its of the much more sophisticated today its much more sophisticated today. Its really hard to find out who it was for some of these incidents because theyll hijack somebodys server. For example, i think they hijacked a server in japan or something, went into sony, came from probably north korea. But they hacked a server and they come in that way so if you track the server trends or the trails rather its hard to find exactly origination of it. Theyve gotten the nation states have gotten very sophisticated. Most cases youd find that if you undertook a number the system stepps we outline the steps we outline in this report, you can significantly enhance your cybersecurity. Charlie what happens snow hope youll have a meeting with the trump yeah. We offered to meet with the president leblingts team. President elects team. Send them a report. We hope to hear from them. They were encouraging over the weekend that they would give us an audience with the appropriate people. Charlie thanks. Have a good holiday. Charlie congratulations for the hard work youve done and the rest of the commission member. We have a great team. Charlie well be right back. Stay with us. Charlie the Boston Marathon bombing claimed the lives of three people and injured more than 150 on april 15, 2013. The ensuing fourday manhunt for the tsarnaevs throughout the city and surrounds towns captivated the nation. Patriots day is a new film. It depicts the harrowing week from the perspective of the police, the victims and the perpetrators. The guardian called the film a moving and compelling aimagine to a city and its spirit. Eres a look at the trailer. Why are you laughing . Im not. I look like a clown. Its the color. Im basically a crossing guard. You got my whistle and my stop sign . Come here. Give me a kiss. I love you. I love you. How many times you run this thing . 43 overall. Thats impressive. Charlie i am pleased to have peter, mark and former Boston Police commissioner ed davis right here at this table. Welcome one and all. Let me begin with this. You were reluctant, you as a bostonian, were reluctant to make a film too early. Why . The question was, is it too soon. And then we realized that its really not soon enough. Every day you turn on the news or open up a newspaper, theres another attack somewhere. We felt we wanted to promote that message. Love will always win. We need to come together and unite and i also, looking at how my city, my hometown, reacted and responded in the face of terror, it was amazing. It made me so proud to be a bostonian. And i wanted to share that story with people. Charlie cbs, 60 minutes, you were somehow involved in this. Yeah. 60 minutes were producers on the film, which for me as a writer was an extraordinary resource. Because when i wanted to meet people like the Police Commissioner, this gentleman, ed davis, his counterparts in the finish, and others in the community, 60 minutes was very effective at hoping opening those doors and letting me get i think a very candid relationship going with the commissioner very early. Which was very helpful. Charlie john goodman plays you. He does a tremendous job. Hes an exceptional actor. Hes become a good friend, a good man. Charlie we were together this morning on cbs this morning. Take me back to the time. What was your youd never seen anything like this, you had no idea it would be possible, Something Like this to nap boston. Right. We prepare for possible terrorist events but you never think its going to happen to you. When i got there and saw these were i. E. D. , they were built to kill and maim people, we had people dead at the scene, i realized the enormity of the event. Had a really tremendous sense of urgency to track these guys down and get them off the street. Charlie in the beginning the response is, you also have the f. B. I. On site. Right. Charlie theres a degree of conflict there. There can be, yes. We worked together very closely on a bunch of different cases. But this is a complex undertaking. And theres always differences of opinion. Those came to the fore in our investigation. Charlie whats your recommendation to any Police Commission in america in terms of to respond to a terrorist attack . The all in the preparation. You need to have a plan. You need to be you prepared, you need to know where your resources are and you need to have relationships with the f. B. I. And with the other responders, the people who are going to be your partners if it all goes wrong. So you need to know them beforehand. You cant be introducing yourself to them the day the thing happens. Charlie mark, your characters a composite, one officer, a composite. Yes. Really focusing on two officers. One who was at the finish line and was basically put in charge after the explosions, and another who was on pursuit with billy evans and eventually there in watertown when the younger brother was captured. Charlie who helped . U . Who did you reach out to . This is a city you love. I reached out to everybody. The first person i spoke to was my parish priest to get his advice. He knew what my intentions were in wanting to tell the story. So we needed to reach out to everybody. I had to take pete, first of all, i took pete to my neighborhood and where i grew up and to the boys club to meet bob, who is the c. E. O. Of the boys club, and met with many different people, these officers, victims, their families. Survivors. We had to meet with everybody. Had to communicate to everybody what our intentions were. And once they knew that, they were extremely supportive. Because we tended to intended to show people what boston strong really means. Charlie you have acknowledged too there were people who were holding you responsible for portraying in the movie absolutely. Yeah. They were happy that finally they knew who was kind of in charge or who they could speak to and who they could hold accountable. So then they immediately started reaching out to me as well and telling me what they were comfortable with and what they were not. Certainly pete and visit utmost respect and we didnt want to make things worse. We were certainly willing to do whatever they asked of us. Charlie what was the challenge for you . I think when we got when i had the privilege of meeting so many people and it was thanks initially to mark who brought me in that community, im a new yorker, bostonians are extremely friendly, but theyre also guarded and when we were trying to get information from people like commissioner davis or his counterpart and the f. B. I. And certainly the victims and the survivors, these were people who were not inclined to tell us their story right away. But once they did open up and they started telling us their stories and we met people like patrick and jessica downs, young people couple in the beginning of their marriage who were watching this marathon and suddenly they were blown up and they lost their legs, we met them and saw their spirit and the inspiration that they passed on to everyone. I think the biggest challenge was for us just making sure we did them proud. Making sure we did the commissioner proud. Mark and i took that very seriously. We saw what theyd gone through, our jobs were paled in comparison to what theyd gone through. We just wanted to make them feel as though we respected them and got it right. Charlie you told the indy wire, i think, this was the most intense film making experience of your life. Yes. Mark and i have done three nonfiction films now. We did lone survivor. Deep water about the oil rig and now patriots day. Theyre all intense. But there really is something about this story, these werent navy seals or tough oil rig guys. These were just regular folks, families that were out on one of the first spring days in boston and enjoying themselves and suddenly theres blood and death and body parts in the streets and nobody was ready for it. That was very touching. To think about commissioner davis waking up that day, going about his day, and suddenly to be the guy who did actually happen on his watch. And the president calls him and says, ok, commissioner, whatever you need, we got your back, but you got to solve this. Go get em. Charlie joe biden called too . He did. Yes. The attorney general, the Vice President , it was an incredible , unique experience. Charlie calling you saying, were behind you, do what have what you have to do. Pledging all of the resources of the federal government. To this investigation. They delivered. We needed helicopters, helicopters landed. If we needed armored personnel carriers, they were there. The military was on scene with 1,500 troops in two hours. It was remarkable. Charlie there were people who felt like it was too hard for them to relive this . Yeah and its understandable. When you talk to we wanted to make sure that we showed the families of the victims, law enforcement, first responders, and survivors, the movie before anybody else saw it. Cant expect them to say, wow, i really like this movie. Theyre reliving the worst day of their lives. Thats more than understandable. To know that we got it right and we wanted to honor them and their loved ones, that was very much appreciated. Charlie how do you depict the tsarnaev brothers . That was a real challenge. We wanted its hard to do any research on those two brothers and we did quite a bit. Its hard to research them and not become actually quite fascinated. Its a very unique and bizarre situation. These were not like Mohammed Atta and the saudis that snuck in and blue up the towers, these were assimilated guys. One was at school. He was a marijuana dealer, he was a ladys man, had three girlfriends, i met with two of them. The other was a very good boxer. Wanted to represent the u. S. In the olympic team. These are guys we see at starbucks. Charlie how do they become radicalized . Both through their family. The mother and father were really tough cases. But also through the internet and seeing all this, you know, extremist propaganda online. Its a refuge for people that are alienated. Its something that, you know, if somebody wants to prove themselves, they can go in this direction. Any sympathy that you have for them in the movie, to me its nullified by what he did. He placed the bomb behind these two children and blew them up. I cant ever forget that. Charlie knowing what he was doing. No question, yes. Charlie that hes going to take the lives of children. Right. And he did. Charlie is he talking . I spoke to one of the jailers and i said, what explains this guy . Was he under the influence of the brother . Whats happening with him . The jailer said to me, he spent a lot of time with him, he said, hes a terrorist. Charlie thats what he is. He knows it . And acknowledges it. Thats the only way to explain what hes done and the way he acts in prison. Charlie you wanted to show the courage of boston strong. From the Police Officers to the victims to w. H. O. Lost limbs, love who lost limbs, lost loved ones. Three victims. Four. Charlie a lot of people near death. 42 were critical. Dozens of amputations. Charlie you wanted to show what . Courage. Resolve. Hope. Charlie recovery. Love, recovery. Which what real strength is and heroes are weve always had these great iconic sports heroes in boston and we put them up on a pedestal. Ted williams, larry bird, the list goes on. Mickey ward. Then to see women, men, women from all walks of life running towards the problem, it really redefined the term hero for me and gave me such a huge sense of pride, to be from boston. Boston, whenever i kind of left and was outside of boston early on, was always about, you know, the busing strike and racial divide and all that stuff, to see people come together from all walks of life, all races, religions, coming and helping, it really just gave me filled me with pride and wanted to see that. Its something where people said, hey, make sure you get it right and show people who we are and what boston strong means. Charlie how have they dealt with it, those people who lost a limb, who lost a child . To see patrick and jessica come together and radiate so much love and light and hope and positivity is remarkable to me. We saw when we saw patrick finish the race, he ran the marathon this year on a running blade. And to see him run and go into jessicas arms and them hugging and holing each other, i felt like, wow, i just find so much inspiration from them. Charlie what do we need to do to minimize this kind of thing . Obviously good intelligence is one aspect of it. Right. We need to shut down those websites and the f. B. I. s done an incredible job of doing that over the last year or so. We need to stay on top of this. But truly, we need to connect with people in the communities. We need to know the Muslim Community where some of this is bubbling up. And know them not in a we dont have to be an intelligence gathering, we need to form relationships with them. Joe carr was thrown out of the mosque a couple of weeks before this incident. If someone in the mosque had told us about that, that would have reinvigorated the investigation the f. B. I. Had. So thats the answer to it. Making sure that our officers are doing Community Policing and getting to know everybody in the community. Charlie this is a scene i wanted to see. This is between marks character, advocating that the f. B. I. , one of the interesting and critical points, release photos of the suspects. Here it is. Those are not our guys. Meanwhile, you guys arent any closer to identifying the two were really looking for. We need to release those pictures. If we release the photos now, we have zero control. We may force these guys to react. Gentlemen, if i may, right now bostons working against us. Normally you got a murder, no one rats. We dont got that problem. In this city, when it comes to terrorism, everybody wants to talk. You have a lot of people talking, but theyre talking about the wrong people. You released the photos of our guys, sit back and listen, trust me, let boston work for us. Im telling you. I understand boston. But i cant just snap my fingers. This decision goes all the way up to the attorney general. Then give me his number. Ill call him right now. This is my [beep] city, rick release the god damn pictures charlie if you made this film again, what would you do differently . Anything . Thats an interesting question. Im very happy with the film. Charlie you made the film you intended to make. Yes. There were so many people who played a Critical Role in this. And these 150odd hours, from the time the bombs went off from the time they captured the younger brother in the boat, theres a Young Chinese american named danny meng who was carjacked by the two brothers. Who arguably, you know, was more responsible than anyone, single person, for not only capturing the brothers but they were on their way to manhattan, they were coming right here to blow up time square. This young man had such courage and poise and intelligence for that hour and a half he was in the car, while they gassed up and took all his money and a. T. M. s and were getting ready to leave and he knew they were going to kill him and they were going to come to manhattan and he planned the right moment for an escape and to do what he did took such incredible courage. The commissioner would probably agree, he was very much a part of the capture and thats just one example of so many people who did so much. If we had another hour in the movie, we could have filled it up. Charlie whenever you talk to people who are heroic, they said, i did what i had to do. I did what i was trained to do. Did i what my duty was, all of that. The two of you, what is it about the chemistry between the two of you, why do you Work Together so often . I love him. I love him like a brother. I love him as a film maker. He was an actor first. He created such a great, creative environment for both people in front of and behind the cameras. Hes extremely collaborative. He pushes you and brings the best out of me and i hope that i could the same for him i do the same for him. With these particular stories, we care. Its not about us. Its about the stories that were telling and the people that were honoring and making sure that we get that right and hold everybody else to that standard. Charlie its remarkable story. Let me just tell you, it opens in new york and l. A. On december 21. December 21. Boston as well. Charlie boston as well. New york, l. A. And boston. And nationwide on january 13. Patriots day. Well be right back. Charlie andy cohen is here. Hes the former head of development at bravebo and current host of watch what happens live. Also a New York Times best selling author. His new book is a followup to his 2014 book, a deep look at a shallo year. It is called superficial more adventures from the andy cohen diaries. Welcome. Did you this so, first of all, were you at all surprised about the reaction to the first book . No. I actually thought it was going to be great. I thought it was going to really sell. Charlie because, a, its interesting conversation about whats going on around in peoples lives and their curiosity, and secondly, you promote the hell out of it. And thirdly, i think its a well written book, if i could say. That its funny. I loved warhols diaries when they came out. That was what the first one was inspired by. Charlie what did you love about them . He took me places that i i at the time in my life would never have been invited to. Its 11 years of global trot globe trotting and Party Hopping and opinions and its really dishy and just opened my eyes up to a world that i wanted to live in. I think with my diaries, for me its a world of celebrity and behind the scenes of a late night talk show and producing the housewives and also, you know, having a dog and having great parents and its a wellrounded situation. Charlie have you moved into this place where, you know, you have the same kind of thing that andy had in terms of going from one new york event to another new york event, with an insight into whats happening . Kind of. Yeah. I think the also kind of a deconstruction of celebrity culture today. From the Vantage Point of kind of becoming a celebrity and dealing with celebrities and partying with them. Its all that. I found myself, i was like, wait a minute, im now getting invited to this stuff. Myself. Let me start writing. Charlie so when do you write . I write every night. I either jot down some notes or write a full, you know, just get it all out. Then i fill in the blanks on airplanes, which im on a lot. I go back to the last week or week or two and just flesh things out. Charlie how much do you write . How much do i write meaning . Charlie is it one event or a string of conscious snns it could be i could write three little items, i could write nothing, i could it just depends what happened to me that day. Charlie and you dont i had its much . I did you dont edit much . I did edit much. This was two years. I went back and pull out, i took out days altogether that just werent interesting, that were, if things started to feel mo not news to. I mo not news to. Did i it monotnous. I did it for the reader so it would be interesting. Charlie there were no times you felt you went too far . There are certain vulnerabilities i reveal in this book that i didnt in the past one. Charlie about yourself . About myself. And about some situations with other people that i maybe wouldnt have put in the last one but i just thought, you know what, i was in such a groove from writing that i just wanted to keep going. I felt like i had to deliver in a different way with this one. If youre writing a followup, you want it to be better and bigger and more interesting. Charlie you describe it as deep and shallo. Much like me. I am high and low. I think thats what worked when i was programming bravo. We could have top chef and project runway were more emmywinning shows and mix those in with the housewives or other those shoast that are nsidered those that are considered to give the viewer something different. I have a Radio Program on sirius. We have music and talk about pop culture and dan rather and politics. Charlie would you never want to give up the programming aspect of your life . You program a radio channel, you program bravo. I was a producer at cbs news for 10 years. I feel and then, i just produced television for my entire career. 26 years. So i could never give up that. Im a very active executive producer of my late night show. Charlie is it satisfying or gives you an opportunity to its both. Its what i am i couldnt dial back. I could never say, oh, now you do it. Charlie just be on air. I couldnt do it. Charlie whats the Perfect Program for you . My show is kind of the perfect show for me. Because its just it allows me to do everything that i love and its a silly, fun, half hour product of my own imagination that has come to life for 7 1 2 years. Charlie if you werent doing that or you wanted to do something in addition, what would it be . What show is there on the air . For me to you know what charlie would you like to do Good Morning America . The hours are a little freaky to me. As you can relate to. Youre a night owl. Youre up there in the morning. I saw you yesterday morning. I love the idea of that. Because you can talk about everything and learn about everything. Im interested in a lot. But for mee my current i dont know. Id kind of like to do a game show, believe it or not. Charlie you have looked into that . Yes, i have. Im working on it. Ill get one. Yeah, yeah. Watch. Charlie which one do you like . There are a few there are machinations. In the book, theres a moment where im going to host a new version of match game that doesnt happen. It sounds stupid. Its just fun to me. Charlie do you believe that your life is so interesting other people will be curious about my life, or about my observations about others . I think, look, i think it is so egotivitycal to say, my life is so interesting, people would be interested. But ive now written three books about my life and so ive kind of gotten over that thing. I think, yeah, to give people a window on it, but i write with lot of humor and selfdepartmentrycation. I call the book superficial, im trying to get ahead of it. Charlie lets talk about other great inventions one might have. Would you like to write a novel . I think i was talking to dan rather about this yesterday who said that he had been working on one and he found that every character talked like him. And i was saying how hard that would be. I think in my fantasy, maybe, but it just seems difficult. I love nonfiction. Sy a new imprint actually with i have a new imprint actually with holt. Charlie imagine my surprise. Im working its a lot of nonfiction that im developing. I dont know that i would be good at being a fiction writer. Charlie so youre in publishing now and youre looking for nonfiction books and you have some insight in terms of people who you know can tell a story. Do you go out and ask them to write the book or is it more your reacting to people who come to you youre reacting to people who come to you . Someone wrote a piece in the New York Times the other day who i dont think had ever written one that i responded to and i called the guy and said, lets talk about a book, have you thought about it. There are people who i have said, you have ever thought about this and weve gotten together and talked about things. Charlie you are one man conglomerate. Well. It depends how you define conglomerate. Charlie it certainly does. What about a documentary . Would you like to make a documentary . I would love it, 100 . Whoip charlie who would you like to make a documentary about . No one has done the definitive documentary youre going to laugh because its so, you know, whatever, but on diana ross. Id like to do one on her. Charlie she used to live in my building. I know your building. I know. That i found out what building you lived in yesterday. I thought it was too stupid of me to say to you that i knew hat she lived in the building. I think she changed things, she was if we talk about today, there would be no beyonce if there had been no diana ross. She came from the projects, there was a lot of racial stuff that she faced that she was a ground breaker detroit, also, i think she was a little bit of a thug when she was in the supremes. Id like to get into that. Theres a lot of theres more to that story than i think has been told. Charlie you also do public speaking. I do. Anderson cooper and i are on tour together. Yeah. Yeah. Charlie what do you do . Its called a. C. 2, deep alk and shallow tales. You can guess who the deep part of anderson and i are. We are great buddies. We said, lets try it. We booked a date in boston and a few more and a year and a half later, i mean, the schedule is full up for 2017. Charlie how many would you do in 2017 . Would you do one a month . I think we have about 20 on the books. I think. We go in and we walk out and we talk. We talk about our lives. We play very well off each other. Its about being on the front lines of celebrity and world events. Basically. Hes funnier than i think a lot of people realize. Charlie are you interviewing him or him interviewing you . The first part is kind of me interviewing him but it really is a conversation. Then the second part is him interviewing me and we bring video clips and then we open it up to the audience for their questions. I drink on stage. I get him to drink a little bit. He way less than i. I drink tequila. Charlie straight . I drink it and fress can. Its called a fresquila. Its great. Charlie what does he drink . I pour him the same. The only the last 10 date on the tour that ive gotten him to start drinking a little bit. He drinks hes a lightweight. Yeah. Charlie hes also doing a lot. He does a lot. People say we have friends who say that both of us, you work too hard, certainly my parents say this to me. You dont get enough sleep. Some people have judgment of me, like, ugh, youre doing more, and i sense judgment with them. I say, you have to understand, im living my dream life. This is all stuff that im dying to be doing. If six of these things that im doing were taken away and i was only doing one, i would still be happy. Charlie but you would also say, this is so much fun. The so great. The like you. Charlie exactly. What should you be doing other than this that would be more fun . Name it. I totally agree. m from the model of more. Id like to do more. Charlie is any part of you lonely . I have moment notice book which are share moments which are come home from the show and im alone and im like, wow, this actually isnt great. I dont feel great. Text me. Charlie ill text you. Superficial more adventureses from the andy cohen diaries, andy cohen, great to have you here. Continued success. Thank you. I appreciate it. Charlie thank you for joining us. See you next time. 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