Happened. Mr. Trump why not . Ms. Clinton why not . The kind of plan that donald has put forth would be trickledown economics all over again. It would be the most extreme version, the biggest tax cuts for the top percent of this country, that we have ever had. I call it trumped up trickledown. Mr. Trump you have been doing this for 30 years. Why are you just thinking about these solutions right now . Ms. Clinton i think my husband did a pretty good job. In the 1990s, i think a lot about what he did that worked and how we can do it again. Mr. Trump he approved nafta, which is the single worst trade deal ever approved. Ms. Clinton broadbased, inclusive growth is what we need in america, not more advantages for people at the very top. Mr. Trump i will release my tax returns, against my lawyers wishes, when she releases her 33,000 emails that have been deleted. Charlie joining me now is a Wonderful Group from hofstra university, Mark Halperin and John Heilemann, cohosts of with all due respect. From washington, d. C. , mike allen, chief correspondent for politico. And from santa barbara, california, Political ColumnistJeff Greenfield. And philadelphia pollster frank luntz. And here with me in new york, maureen dowd of the new york times. She is a columnist for the paper. She is also the author of a new book, the year of voting dangerously. Kaye this evening, katy will join us from the debate site. I am pleased to have all of them here. I begin with Mark Halperin and John Heilemann at hofstra. They are not here yet, so i will begin with maureen dowd. [laughter] so, give me your reaction. Maureen well, i would say hillary won, but not in such a decisive way, not in such a decisive way that my conservative siblings which i call my basket of deplorables think she won. So, i am not sure she got any of his people, and im sure he didnt get any of hers. So, she was able to bait him, not to a total Jack Nicholson a few good men meltdown, but on women, the birther thing, iraq. You know, he ended up kind of admitting and bragging about not paying taxes, and he ended up kind of admitting about the housing bubble was good for him and defending that. And he reiterated that Rosie Odonnell is a fat slob, i think. And he admitted, you know, that he stiffed people in his business, and he was sort of bragging about weird things. I think he really lost an opportunity on iraq, because he did not go after hillary on voting for the war and also helping dick cheney make the link between al qaeda and saddam, which wasnt true. Instead, he got all tangled up in defending himself on how he talked to sean hannity about iraq, and he did resist it before he said he did, which he didnt. Charlie let me go maureen but he did turn on it more or rather, sooner, then some say, so i will give him that. Charlie frank luntz, you have a focus group. What did you think . Frank so, we asked when they were done, these were truly undecided voters between the candidates. 16 of them thought that Hillary Clinton had won the debate, had brought them closer to her candidacy. Only five of them picked donald trump, and the remaining 6 were tied. There were four key components. Number one, when donald trump was attacking the system, he was doing well. When he was defending himself, that was a disaster. Number two, Hillary Clinton was so well prepared for this. And i agree with what maureen said. I had written down the word baiting him within three minutes of the opening. She did it again and again and donald trump responded poorly. Number three, you do not speak over the moderator ever. Viewers who were undecided felt he was frankly rude to lester holt. And the number four, trump described the problems effectively but did not have the solutions. She was not quite as effective in discussing the problems, but she had better answers. In the end, solutions beat problems. Charlie i will be right back, frank and maureen. Lets go to Jeff Greenfield in california. You have seen a lot of these things. Jeff not the lincolndouglas ones, but pretty much every one after that. [laughter] if i had not seen the last 15 months of this campaign, i would have seen it as a clear and decisive victory for secretary clinton. On a lot of grounds. Atmospherics she controlled the room in the sense that she was the calm one, she seemed to be enjoying herself, she could laugh off trumps attacks. And in fact, he was so baited and so eager to impulsively jump in that she was able to use the same line from her acceptance speech if you can bait a man with a tweet, that is not somebody you want with the nuclear codes. But the reason im hesitant is because we have seen donald ways, almostin literally from he announced, in ways that under normal circumstances would have severely damaged if not destroyed his campaign. The question for me is with all those interruptions, and they looked pretty obnoxious are the people who like donald trump because he goes in the face of those people, the media, the elitists, the government, will they take that as rudeness or will they take that as boldness . Yeah, i think on points, she is the clear winner. But the question is, so what . We may be in an alternative universe. Charlie his best argument in this election is change i can change washington. I am not like washington. Did he make that case . Jeff . Jeff not as well as i think he did in the past. There were a couple of lines you have been there 30 years, what have you done . You are an expert, but you have made the wrong decisions. Oddly enough, one of the more affecting moments was he said, about crime, who suffers the most of it . It is minorities, because on that answer clinton was kind of conventionally anodyne liberal. But the idea of him as the guy who can take the system and take it apart, i thought was less effective than he has been in other moments. But, you know, for his supporters, we have seen this over and over again. I will be very blunt. They hear a donald trump that many others of us dont hear. And im not sure i agree with maureen i do not think he turned off any of his supporters in this debate. Charlie did he add any new constituents is part of the question, especially suburban women . Jeff no. That is where i think, again, if the laws of political gravity have not been currently from i do everything not know how many women have dealt with a man who would not let them finish a sentence. That is probably not a way into the hearts of suburban, collegeeducated women. And i also think, you know, how bragging is about not paying contractors and avoiding taxes if there is anything that possibly could erode some of his support among white, workingclass men, it might be those answers, but im dubious. Charlie she personalized it by talking about her father, as well. Jeff that was new for me. I thought the way she did that, you know, im glad my father never had to deal with you i thought that was one of the more original hits of the whole night. Charlie i did, too. Mike allen, what did you think . Mike i think we can agree that the biggest lie of all is that donald trump did not practice. He plainly did. And we saw it tonight. And we saw a fascinating congruence in the two strategies. We saw both trump and clinton talking to their own people, forgetting the people in the middle, the undecideds. I think frank has found the only undecided voters in captivity. [laughter] we saw donald trump talking to an old white guy in michigan, and Hillary Clinton talking to twitter. And they both won. Twitter loved secretary clinton tonight, by far. They especially liked hating on donald trump, and a lot of what taunts oned up the twitter. Whereas, for the audience donald trump needs, that he has and wants to keep and wants to turn out, jim has a new snapchat channel, he is running on that tomorrow. Donald trump played the race and fear cards. It was deliberate, and for his constituency, it was effective. Charlie when you look at the idea of adding new constituents and appearing president ial, did trump meet that standard . Maureen no, i didnt think so. I thought hillary was very effective, and she had interesting things said where she knows that he is very sensitive when people say that he always says, i just got 1 million from my father and basically, after that i was a selfmade man who became a billionaire. And she knows he is very sensitive when he is painted as the spoiled little rich boy who got a lot more millions from his father. And so, she made that case. And then, she presented her own father, who was a drapery maker, as the kind of person that donald trump stiffed. So, she used her father effectively and got under his skin with his father. Charlie what about the income tax issue . Maureen what do you mean . Charlie in other words, defending the fact that he was not willing to make his income tax records available. But in the meantime, make a deal with her about the emails to remind people. That she had destroyed the emails. Maureen i didnt think he did as well on the emails as he could have, just like he did not do as well on the iraq issue. As he could have. Charlie is that because she put him on the defensive with all those baiting questions . Maureen first of all, he seemed like he had a cold. Someone was saying if only gay here. Was charlie jeff will appreciate that. Maureen except the people in l. A. , who suspected he was on coke. He is not a Substance Abuse person. I think he wasnt feeling well, and he was sniffling and drinking water. He was succumbing, in his gossamer thinskinned way, to some of her baiting. He sort of admitted that he didnt pay taxes and said the government would squander it anyway. Charlie frank, go ahead. M mike this is mike. Frank charlie, you are dead on about the income tax. That was the worst moment, and he came back to it. When he was given a chance to challenge hillary on the emails, he didnt, and our focus group started to boo him. And understand, they are watching a tv about 15 feet away from him. And when they verbally react, booing him, that shows you there is something going on there. They argued that he was fighting too much to defend himself and not enough to defend them. Do you remember at the republican convention, when he turned around hillarys slogan and said, i am with you . He turned around and said, i am with you . He lost that tonight, and that was a big loss for him. Maureen he has no ability to take a punch. And that is going to hurt him every time. Charlie that is what he prides himself on, being a counterpuncher. Frank but he is awful. Maureen it all devolved to his ego. Charlie what about the end, in which he attacked her and her health, and she ended by saying, look, when you have traveled as many miles as i have and you have negotiated as hard as i have, then maybe you can speak to this issue . Jeff that was one of those moments when i think ambiguity drops away. You know, he opened the door, and she i am mixing metaphors here she just connected solidly. Because remember, it started when he was asked by lester holt, what did he mean that she didnt have the look of a president . Which i think everybody in the country understands there is a gender issue there. And i thought she just waited and waited and offered that list and delivered it very well. This is where, you know, this is the one place where i think, even though im skeptical because of what has happened the last year and change, if there was any movement caused by this debate, it would be among women who dont particularly like hillary, have doubts about trump , i mean, i think on a lot of these answers, he showed himself to be the donald trump that the Hillary Campaign wanted these women to see. Mike charlie, this is mike allen. Picking up on jeffs point about that last question, i think we have become numb over the last year and a half. And we have to pause for a second and talk about how astounding it is that in this debate, we have donald trump saying that Hillary Clinton didnt have the look, didnt have the stamina. She is saying he engaged in a long record of racist behavior. One nominee calling the other racist, astonishing. And we just have grown immune to it, but we have never heard anything like that. And the point about donald trump taking the bait the lead story on politico right now says donald trump keeps his cool, Hillary Clinton composed. That is at the top of politico. Charlie from the bbc, katty kay is at hofstra. Katty, what are the moments for you that made a Lasting Impact on the way this debate is perceived and his campaign progresses . Katty look, i think Hillary Clinton had the stronger debate tonight, but there were no knockout blows against donald trump. He proved that he can have the stamina or the focus for 90 minutes. I should probably correct that, 85 minutes, because the last five minutes are pretty much a disaster. There was not a woman in the audience or a woman watching that who did understand the dog whistle politics of lester holt questioning that she did not have the look of a president , and he handled that very badly. There was, however, political malpractice. She got away incredibly lightly with the whole email server issue. Im sure her campaign is thinking right now, why on earth did she not handle it like this right from the beginning of the campaign . A frank apology, a few sentences, and there was no followup. He did not go after it again when the question came up about cyber security. So, i think donald trump missed opportunities to raise the character issues. As to whether she is trustworthy. Charlie jeffrey greenfield, go ahead. As you are watching it on tv in santa barbara, was there a moment at which he seemed to have lost his game plan and succumbed to what was clearly her intent to draw him into those areas where he loses it because of his self protection . Jeff yeah, i think when he was trying to defend his business practices, you know, he just would not stop. I think we have seen this over and over again the one place where he is extremely sensitive is the notion that he is not the worlds greatest businessman. And i think the litany, when she went on on the section of what is it that your taxes might tell us, you know, that was a whole series of direct assaults on either his honesty or his capacity to be a businessman, and i think that unnerved him a little bit. I mean, i write for politico, but i dont think donald trump kept his cool through the whole 90 minutes. Mike politico said he lost his cool, hillary was composed. Yes. Charlie jeff, i heard the same thing you did. What you are saying, mike, is that politico is leading with the idea that he lost his cool . Mike took the bait. I apologize if i misspoke. As to what katty said, i was watching the debate at a Hillary Clinton watch party in arlington, and when she repeated her apology for the email server, her supporters broke into applause for an apology. It just shows that that is what they had been waiting for. And as i talked to republican resources tonight, republicans are just relieved. This wasnt necessarily the president ial donald trump we saw behind the podium in mexico, but as one republican said to me, for trump, a solid draw is a win. He took the bait, he was trumpy, but not as trumpy as they feared. Charlie Mark Halperin and John Heilemann are there. Tell me your own reaction and what is the spin going on after the debate . Mark i talked to trump after the debate when, in an unprecedented move, he came to the spin room to make his case. There are people who read his body language and say he looked shaken. He said people were telling him he won the debate, but i dont think theres any doubt he is more on the defensive. I dont think there is any doubt he took the bait from her on several occasions. I thought he talked too fast. His best moments were when he talked about changing washington, as she had been at it for so long and the country still had problems. And that was the point he emphasized to me in the spin room. So, i suspect, as he did hit on that several occasions, i expect he failed to emphasize that as something he was supposed to talk about more consistently than he did. Go ahead, John Heilemann. Charlie, if you measure the total time of the debate, she was on offense for the vast majority of it, he was on defense. On his business record, which i had thought at the very beginning would be a point that she could exploit, because he is always very defensive about that and always rises to the bait on his taxes, on the birtherism question, on the ways when she talked about the opportunities with women at the end of the debate, where he was defensive. I thought she came prepared, she came to play, i thought she attacked when she needed to, and she explained when she needed to, and i thought his lack of preparation showed. Throughout. I do not think most of those attacks that she launched against him were attacks that he could have easily prepared for, and the quality of his answers were extraordinarily poor incoherent, too long, too defensive, and not at all persuasive to the voters who are still trying to make up their mind about who to vote for in this election. Charlie conventional wisdom coming into this was that donald trump was surging in a small way, but surging the race was even, but he had a bit of momentum. Does this debate stop that . Mark i am not foolish enough to predict how regular voters will react. The case the republicans are making is that clinton spoke in washington speak and trump spoke in a plainspoken, strong way. Three things if you are looking for the Silver Lining for trump we do not know if it will impact voters. Elites and some republicans will judge this as either a solid win from her or more. The second, trump now has a debate under his belt and perhaps he will come next time not just more sort of psychically prepared, but perhaps actually practiced, convinced that in order to do better, he would need to practice. And finally, i think they will be able to show him this debate if you watch it, i think you will see. The most basic thing you need to do in a debate is that if you get asked the tough question, address it briefly and pivot to something more on the offense. He did not do that on many things, as john said, including on the iraq war, when he said people should go to sean hannity. The thing about this debate that is striking is, despite the questions being substantive, the answers were not. And even secretary clinton did not really i think give people a sense of what her policies are to make the country better. So, she will come in more confident next time, i think from a gladiator point of view. But i think theres going to be a soulsearching here from both candidates to try to answer in a less personal, more substantive way next time. Charlie another thing she wanted to do was to appear , maureen, trusting. Her issue had to do with trust and likability. She was more composed here. Did she make some small gains there, in terms of looking likable, appearing likable . Maureen yeah, she was laughing, and she had that sort of bemused, maternal glare a little bit, which she used on between two ferns. Which works when she is trying to paint him as a child, although that is an insult the children. But she i think his most successful argument was that she is a status quo person, and that still resonates with the people who want to use donald trump as a baseball bat against washington. And, you know, i dont understand his stamina argument against her, because when i interviewed him, he was trying that out before he got to crooked hillary. But i have never understood it, because i think the two of them have more stamina than anyone i have ever seen. Charlie one is 69, one is 70. Maureen yeah. Jeff charlie . Charlie yeah, go ahead. Jeff here is the one thing i think she did not do, and that at some point in the next two debates she might need to do. Maybe it is not possible at this late stage in her career. Somewhere along the line, she needs to say to the people who are least likely to vote for her that i understand that you have been let down. And there is a way to do that that says, i know im not going to win your vote this time, you know, because there is too much water under the bridge or over the dam, but i do want you to understand that we have made progress in this country. But you have been left out. And if i win, the first thing im going to do is go to the places that have not voted for me and sit down and talk and bring in the republicans and figure out, do any of us have an idea for how to fix what has gone on in this part of america . And i didnt hear any of that tonight. Maybe that is asking too much. But some grace notes like that i think would be both wise substantively and wise politically. Charlie and essential in places like ohio and pennsylvania and michigan. Yes . Mark . Mark were you talking to me . Charlie you are the only mark i have. [laughter] mark you said something about michigan. Charlie you were looking at your device, i know what you were doing. Mark i was. I didnt say i didnt hear you, i said i didnt catch what you said. Charlie try to stay up here. John i will pick up the question. I think jeff is right about that. Some of these states where Hillary Clinton, back in 2008 when she ran against barack obama, one of the bulwarks that she had against him in her coalition was that she had a connection to white, workingclass voters. Barack obama had millennials, he had professionals, nonwhite voters, presumably africanamerican voters. She had support from hispanic voters and workingclass whites. Right now, donald trump is dominating much of his success and what makes him competitive is the hold that he has with workingclass whites, especially in some of the states that you are just talking about. And she is probably not going to win that vote, but she needs to be more competitive than she currently is. And i think the kinds of arguments that would appeal to those voters in those states would also be really usable with africanamerican, hispanic, and even with some of the millennial voters, who right now are not as enthused about her candidacy as they should be, or need to be i should say, if she is going to recapitulate the Obama Coalition to the extent that she needs to do to win. Charlie the question that everybody talks about, certainly on the democratic side, is turnout and enthusiasm. Is this likely in any way to generate more enthusiasm for her, because they saw her there and she was in command of her own game plan . And here is a guy, who has blown people way, and he did not do that tonight. Does that develop enthusiasm, is the question . Mark well, i think it allows her to dominate the news for at least a day and a half, maybe longer. Her surrogates are out there right now. Out on the trail, saying how about that debate last night . Winner,erage likes a and she will come out a winner. In terms of messaging, she didnt talk very much about College Affordability and jobs for the future, about the environment, so i think theres still work to be done there. But this gives her a chance to reach a broader audience. I do think the enthusiasm, and you can see an International Bloomberg poll out today, and lots of other polls. If you are a democrat worried just about demographics and the electoral college, that is still the biggest thing to worry about. Not the percentage necessarily that she is going to get in these groups, but will they turn out in sufficient numbers to offset the strength that trump has with white voters and men . John i would say, charlie, what mark just said in terms of shares, we have her ahead with millennial voters, in this poll only up by 10 points over donald trump at about 40 . Barack obama claimed almost 60 of millennial voters in 2012. And that means she is down. She is 20 points shy, just as a matter of a share of the vote, let alone the raw numbers. Let alone the raw numbers. She has to she has a challenge there for sure. We all put a lot of emphasis on this first debate and rightly so. Given the way it turned out, this is going to be a trip cake. We will see three important debates here. Hillary clinton dropped a lot of the Opposition Research she had on donald trump very effectively tonight. But it will be hard for her. Put it this way. From her point of view, she got this bit of Business Done tonight, and maybe she looks at the second and third debate as a way to build a more positive case for herself. That may run up against the fact that donald trump may be a better debater than he was in this first debate. Mark it is going to be fascinating to see if his advisers express an understanding publicly that he didnt have a great debate and probably more important, privately. Do they make him watch the tape of the debate, do they speak to them in a way that says, you need to do better, because that is what would typically happen with the typical candidate and typical campaign staff. Donald trump is not a typical candidate. In his own mind, he is the best at everything. Charlie what is going to change tomorrow and the next day on the campaign trail . Katty the Clinton Campaign will come out feeling this was a good night for them, that she didnt come across as too cold and frosty and that she didnt have any major clangers. I think the bigger issue is that, going into the next debate, im not sure she came out of this really giving us clear, compelling views of why you should vote for her. And it is the conundrum of Hillary Clinton. She has spent a lot of her life working for middleclass american families, and she addressed that right at the top of the debate when she talked about income inequality in the country. She went back to it when she talked about africanamericans and legal inequality in the country. It somehow doesnt come across as very compelling. I think it is not enough to say why donald trump is inadequate. Her challenge is to say, this is my story, this is why you should vote for me, in a nutshell. Its got to be better than stronger together. She didnt make that case very forcibly tonight. Good luck to those trump advisors who are going to try to convince him he did not have a great debate. Mark is right that they need to, but they tried to during the republican debates. During the republican debates, they tried to show donald trump film from the debates of moments where he could do better, but instead, he just kept saying, see, look how good i am at this . He was saying, look at how great i am. He was saying that these moments they thought were trouble were his moments of triumph. So theyre going to have fun convincing him he could have done better. Charlie mark and john both, because you have to, in the work that you do, follow what is happening on twitter tell me what is happening on twitter . Mark or john, can you hear me . John yeah, i can hear you. Can you hear us . Charlie i can. John i think it is fair to say that trump is taking a fair amount of heat on twitter. The views that have been expressed on this program are pretty symptomatic of what a lead opinion has to say on this debate. Most of the twitter that we follow tends to be a lead opinion, which is to say, people in the business of politics. I dont see a lot of avid defenses of trumps performances, even among republicans. There is a little bit of that. There seems to be a kind of consensus that is formed around the notion that trump had a bad debate, but not a disastrous one. Hillary had a good debate, but not a spectacular one, and there is more fight to be had here. Charlie well summarized. Mark twitter is so constant and instantaneous that if you look at some of the tweets that the Trump Campaign put out from his better moments, there is no doubt that trumps best moments were good enough to win a debate. The problem is, they were few and far between compared to the moments he was on defense. Twitter reflects that. It is also the case that the Clinton Campaign, as i suspected, is much better organized in terms of having people out there. Charlie major, give me a sense of the Trump Campaign, which you are following. How do they see where they have to go from here . Major they have to build on this debate performance. What they look at on the Positive Side tonight is that donald trump was confident, and to their mind, capable of dealing with most of these issues with the Broad Strokes and the confidence and the simplicity and the large, sort of 30,000 point message that they believe has galvanized the supporters they see at their rallies and is likely to continue to galvanize the country. They dont see this debate as a downer moment for trump, they see it as a way of legitimizing his candidacy in only the way a president ial debate stage can, and they also believe that when Hillary Clinton dives deep into policy, their supporters and a lot of undecided voters turn off. When trump talks about big ideas and big goals and his own success as a businessman, they are on the better side of that argument. They know he will never win a policy contest with Hillary Clinton, so trump didnt even try. He basically didnt prepare, because all he did was use the most popular riffs from the campaign stump speech he has been giving. Charlie major, thank you so much for coming. Thank you to all my other guests. Charlie we close our program tonight remembering the great golfer arnold palmer. He died sunday evening in pittsburgh. He was 87 years old. In 2011, i visited him at his home in latrobe, pennsylvania. It was a wonderful visit for me, someone who admired him, to see him up close and personal. Here are excerpts from that conversation. Arnold this was done a number of years ago. Charlie when i first saw it, you said, do i recognize this guy . Arnold i wasnt sure everybody would recognize who was in the picture. This is the number of times i have been on Sports Illustrated we played in the world cup a couple of times together and we won both times we played. Charlie you and jack . Sportsman of the year, here is billy casper. That is one we talk about every once in a while. Charlie it is the toughest one to win, or the masters . Arnold of course, i havent hung out at the masters. Charlie its your favorite, the grand slam. Arnold it had to be. But you cant ignore the open. It is still charlie it is all american. The american championship. This is when you turned 40. This was 40 years ago. See how much youve changed. [laughter] arnold i think so. Charlie this is you that is 1967, there you are. Lets look at that schwinn. You and jack and gary, the u. S. Open. You and jack again. Golf kings must be selfish. Do you think you have to be selfish . Arnold well, i dont think so. I dont think he is and i dont think i am. Those are my buddies, the blue angels. Charlie tell me about flying for you. Arnold oh, i love it. I started by being scared. I was an amateur. I played a couple of tournaments and i had to fly, and we got into weather and stuff and it scared me. I decided that will not work, i had to learn to fly. I had to find out what airplanes and aeronautical engineering and what it was all about. Charlie youve stopped flying now. Arnold just. And i still have my license, and the only thing that keeps me from flying is going to recurrent training, which i havent done. Charlie your license lapses if you dont go back. But did you fly all those famous jets you had, the citation 10 and the other jets . Arnold i will show them to you before we finish this tour. Charlie so this is your office. Pictures of family. There is your dad. Is given name was deacon . Arnold milford jerome. Now you know why he is called deacon. He was a great guy, a strong dude. Not a real big guy, but very strong. Charlie by the time you began to be who you were and are, he fully appreciated it . Arnold it was great, he was great. This is my first tournament win, the canadian open. Charlie that was in one year . Arnold 1955. Charlie three years away from when you started really killing it. Arnold i am now, as you know, approaching 82, and i have never shot four rounds in an official tournament lower than that. Charlie 65 for four rounds. Wow. Pretty good. If you were today, playing today, and it was back with the same age and the skills that placed in 1958 to 1962 when you won your most memorable major tournaments, if you are playing today would you be number one . [laughter] arnold i cant answer that. Charlie but you had the will to win . You would like to give it a shot, wouldnt you . Arnold you are damn right. [laughter] i would like to give it a go. Wake forest, i have spoken twice at commencement there. There is a picture of the school in winstonsalem. Pebble beach, which im a partner in. There is the hole i drove at cherry hills. Charlie when you actually reached that green, you are so enthused by the fact of what had been said to you arnold the determination and the things we talked about, they were charlie foremost in your mind. Everybody believed that if you wanted to be, you could have been governor of pennsylvania. Did you think about it . Arnold i had no choice. People pushed for me. That was something that i wasnt a politician. Charlie but you are also an american, a citizen. But you just did not want to do it. Arnold i didnt want to spend i wanted to play golf. Charlie you dont have to be in politics to make a contribution to the country. Arnold these are all commencements i spoke at various universities around the country. This is one i just got last summer but im very pleased about. It is st. Andrews. My degree from st. Andrews. Come on, i will show you some more. Charlie tell me what im going to see here, because this is legendary. Where you come here and hide. Arnold that is it, i love it. I come in here to work on golf clubs. A lot of people say i destroy more than i build. Charlie are you convinced that what you do in here to a club fits it better to your swing . Arnold i always said that if i had the perfect club, i would play the perfect game. That is what i tried to achieve here. I put them together, take them apart most people say im very good at taking them apart. [laughter] charlie what kind of club do you play with today . Arnold callaway. Charlie of course you do. Let me talk to you a moment about president eisenhower. Your 37th birthday, he shows up at the front door of your house. He has come with his wife to pay respect to you on your birthday. This was the president you had the deepest relationship with. Arnold yes. I played golf with him the day after i won the masters in 1958, at his request. We became everlasting friends. I was with him a day before he died at walter reed. Theyre closing walter reed. We just became very close friends. We played golf together, we played exhibitions. We did all that kind of stuff. And then the doctors told him that he really should not play golf anymore, so he would spend his winters in palm springs, and he would call me and say, arnie, what are you doing . I would say, im going to play golf i think. He says, if you get time, stop at the house and we will have a beer. I wouldnt play golf, i would sit with him and we would talk about golf and business and military and the whole thing, the country. Charlie his passion for golf also helped make it popular. Arnold you can say that in spades. Charlie then there was jfk, who also sought you out. He wanted you to look at his swing. Because he was a guy who loved winners. Arnold he was a good golfer. Charlie when you saw his swing, you said he is supposed to have played better and had a more fluid swing than any of the other president s. You said you could have worked with him. Why didnt it happen . Arnold i was on my way to palm beach to play. Charlie this was 1963 . Arnold yes, it was. We were going to play some golf and the white house called me and said, arnie, forget it. I said, why . I want to go do it. They said, he hurt his back and he is going to take some time off. I dont think he is going to play golf for a while. That was the end of it. Charlie dr. Arnold palmer, esquire, makes them and breaks them, no house calls. [laughter] arnold we are going to go right here, back to the right. Charlie you have always had a very Good Relationship with the press. Arnold i enjoy the press. I understand their business. Doc has helped me with that. The guys in the press were guys that i could get with. I could talk to them. Charlie part of what made arnies army so famous was there was a sense that you are this brawny guy, this guy who played to win. But there was a sense that you were of them. Buddies. Arnie was their buddy. Arnold we would have a beer together. Charlie these are some bigtime medals. The highest award that the United States can give to a civilian. Arnold this is the one from portugal, the highest civilian award. I built a golf course there, and the president and i became friends. This belt is the hickok belt. In 1960, i won that for the professional athlete of the year. Charlie you also won it for the professional athlete of the decade. Arnold yes sir. Charlie this looks like president bush giving you the president ial medal of freedom. That is a great honor. Arnold yes it is. That is the national amateur. Charlie so that is 1954 . That is pretty high up . Arnold that is major. Charlie, this is my president ial corner. The things that happened with my various president s that i was associated with and spend some time with. Charlie over there is richard nixon. Did he play golf . Arnold he did. Charlie gerald ford, a good athlete. Arnold and he was a great guy. You can tell by the laugh. This is a conference that nixon called, all of his friends to talk about how to negotiate the war. Kissinger, the whole crowd. Charlie to negotiate the end of the vietnam war . This is george bush. Here is ronald reagan. Arnold these are white house dinners. Charlie here again, the bushes. Who is the lady in white . Arnold she happens to be the queen. [laughter] arnold ryder cup, open champion. It is a Great International competition. We hope so. I have always been a big thinker that the more International Competition we can create for sports, the better relationships we will have with countries. Charlie the more Common Ground we can find, the better off we are going to be when push comes to shove. Arnold thats right. Thats the name of the game. Charlie here you are with bill clinton. Clinton here, clinton here. He loves golf. Arnold he is a great guy, whatever your politics are. Charlie how is his golf . Arnold the ball just didnt have a zip code on it. [laughter] charlie where he was driving the ball, it wasnt necessarily the same zip code. [laughter] arnold he and i were playing golf one day, 1965 charlie this is dde, dwight david eisenhower, august 14, 1965. Dear arnie, enclosed is payment for my debt, and never was there one more reluctantly paid. Also is a clip from the philadelphia inquirer. Please know that couple of absences will not be important a year from now. Love to win and keep hitting them, all the best as ever, dde. And there is 10. That was what . Arnold he bet me i would win the pga championship, and i did not. Charlie its a hell of a life. Arnold its full. Emily im emily chang in this is bloomberg west. Coming up, elon musk unveiling a bold plan to colonize mars. We will explain how he is planning to build a martian city of a million people. Our exclusive interview with bob right felt and why he says unicorns are delaying their ipos. And more trouble for facebook. Onered to delete all data germanys whatsapp