Tensions between minorities and police communities. He spoke in a City Hall Press conference. This is our goal. When you see a policeman, remember that he is your friend. That is the vision that they share up here and will carry forward. That is happening but it doesnt happen overnight. We have already seen the tide shift in that direction it is a challenging time for the police of america and new york. Even with all indicators pointing in the right direction. Commissioner bratton has been a frequent guest on this program and im pleased to have him back. You just said this is a difficult time to be a police commissioner. So why leave . Cmsr. Bratton it is time. I received a good offer and my life i look forward to joining the company. Professionally the new york city , Police Department is in very good shape at this time and i have worked hard over these years to put in place a line of succession so that my mayor, bill deblasio, would not have to reach outside the department. I had two recommendations. N tucker, my first Deputy Commissioner. I had two people. I notified him on july 8 that i was planning to leave, made the decision, and i notify jimmy oneill before the press conference. Charlie you expect that there will be continuity and there will not be any changes in terms of the direction that you set . Cmsr. Bratton no changes at all in the direction. The team around me are likeminded. They are smart as can be with great ideas. Everybody is on board the same vessel. Charlie talking about broken windows. What does that mean and why is it important to you . And will it continue . Cmsr. Bratton broken windows refers to an article written in 1982 by the late jim wilson. The idea that if you dont Pay Attention to little things, they can grow into big things. Sir robert teal, in 1829, said police exist to prevent crime and disorder. We start focusing on the disorder and the serious crime. We do not do a good job focusing on that. The secret of my success i think its been successful that i focus on both the miter thanks the minor things and the big things. Minor things like graffiti, abandoned cars, things that people see every day. Even in the most crimeridden cities, most people are not victims of serious crime. But they are victims in their neighborhood. Charlie it is an optic. Cmsr. Bratton an optic that generates a feeling. The current controversy homeless on the streets, street people in every american city, is an optic. There is great concern about that. Is nowhere near what it was in the 90s. Charlie what about minority communities . Cmsr. Bratton the last couple years has seen a sentiment in many minority committees that minority communities that broken windows was disproportionately being applied to them. The point that i make is, the disproportionate amount of time police spent in poor neighborhoods, often minority neighborhoods, is due to two things. The high crime rates there. Also, the disproportionate amount of calls that we get. 311, 911, to come to those neighborhoods and assist. Should we ignore those calls . You will only get 300 responses because we are doing 300 and these other neighborhoods. You go where the calls come from. The debate i have with those advocating that this is disproportionate impact i did npr this morning and the issue started with targeting minority communities for quality of life. I took great offense. We do not target. We go with the calls come from. We go where the illness is. Charlie there is also the relationship between the communities in the police and neighborhoods. Have you been able to do what you want to do . Or is that an open ended question with much work to be done . You have that challenges will take years to achieve. Cmsr. Bratton let me speak to the city of new york. On the issue of crime we have climbed down 25 straight years. We are there. There on preparing the city against the act of terrorism. Were responding quickly if we have one. London is emulating the 550 person unit we have created for terrorism. They are creating a 500 person unit. There heavily equipped to deal with their terrorism issue. We did it here in london is now emulating that. Nobody is doing more than we are doing here. In technology. The fourth area, which for 400 years has been a problem racial relations. And the role of police in that. Originally, the slave catchers. With segregation, we and forced that. We enforced that. That is still the unresolved we enforced that. That is still the unresolved issue. Charlie now we have video. It enhances the sense especially , with Police Violence against individuals, it enhances it in some cases, it looks uncalled for. Charlie you use the term uncalled for. We have a term, it is lawful, but it looks awful. Any use of force looks awful. What we clearly are seeing, and some instances, police force is inappropriate. The vast majority is in response to people resisting arrest. Ironically in the state of new , york, it is illegal to resist arrest, but the vast majority of videos i see of my officers are actions in which they are being vigorously resisted as they attempt to make an arrest. That problem seems to be increasing here and nationally. This tension, or fighting. Charlie we are talking isolated instances, but it does lead to the question does the need to be training and sensitizing of police officials, even in new york city . Where reform has been underway. Cmsr. Bratton we are going to be spending tens of millions of dollars on retraining the whole force. This past year the whole force went through a threeday training period. This year it will focus on implicit bias. We will focus on police legitimacy, procedural justice, all the issues on the forefront of trying to resolve more successfully the issues of racial tension, minority concerns. Charlie define implicit bias. Cmsr. Bratton implicit bias is a relatively new field of science. The idea is that all of us have biases we might not recognize that are below the surface. Sometimes that implicit bias may control actions that we take. In the area of race, there is an idea where we respond to a black differently than to a white. What we will try to do is teach our officers that its like a like original sin. We all have it. We can try to control it if we realize that we have it. Its the idea of changing. An unknown bad habit. We all have things that we do that we are not even aware of. Charlie what explains the case where it may be implicit bias, or something else, beyond somebody resisting arrest as we would come to understand it. It is uncalled for to shoot somebody walking away, is it not . Cmsr. Bratton some of the videos are clearly irrefutably inappropriate. The one in South Carolina where the gentleman was 30 feet from the officer when he fired half a dozen times. Clearly under any circumstances, that was inappropriate. Illegal certainly. Charlie how about the garner case . Cmsr. Bratton the garner case has not been resolved in the department. It has been resolved in the criminal courts. It is being battled out between main justice in the Eastern District here in new york. It is the case of mr. Garner who during an attempted arrest, succumbed to a potential chokehold. I cannot comment more specifically because my successor will end up administratively making a determination if it was appropriate conduct on the part of the officer. That is on hold until the feds finish. Specifically because my successor will end up administratively making a charlie are you fearful about what happened in dallas and baton rouge . Cmsr. Bratton we continue to be fearful. That began here in new york city. Two officers in my city were murdered in direct response to the garner case. A gentleman traveled from baltimore with the intent of killing officers in a misguided response to the garner incident. That was the beginning of so many of the issues that are on the forefront of papers today. We are aware and concerned about that. I have just spent in the last , month i just spent 7. 5 million buying 20,000 ballistic helmets and 6000 heavyduty ballistic vests that officers would wear to stop a rifle round from an ar15. We are providing phenomenal amounts of training. Unfortunately that is the state of american policing in terms of the terrorist threat that we have to be prepared. The active suitor shooter situation. The potential for what we saw in dallas and baton rouge. Charlie turning back to terrorism. John miller, terrorism and intelligence. Is the most troubling issue the idea of the lone wolf because there is no connection to intelligence . Intelligence reporting. Cmsr. Bratton in 2014, we were concerned about mass shooting lone wolves. We saw that in aurora, colorado. Columbine was the first. But then, with the growth of isis, they use social media to encourage we have three terms that james comey uses. A directed attack, in which they send agents out of syria. As they did in paris. An enabled attack in which they give instructions to an individual. Then an inspired attack, from social media, grab a knife, get a car. We have seen people respond to that. That inspired act is the most difficult. How do you identify unless you stop them on social media . This is the see something, say something. If you see somebody becoming radicalized or acting strangely, reported. Charlie we have access to the computer files of people who do these things they are often killed in the act of terrorism. What are we learning . Is there a profile . Cmsr. Bratton there is no one consistent profile. Various things might set them off. The individual who spontaneously attacked by Uniformed Police officers standing on the corner with a hatchet, almost killing one of them, before he was killed. By several of the officers. That individual started focused on his computer, on black sites, if you will, in terms of black liberation sites. About a month before the attack, he switched over to the isis, al qaeda sites. His motivation went from one of race to one of religion. His circumstance is different than somebody elses. There is probably not a constant theme, other than the fact that journalists use the term that they engage in these acts because they want to feel empowered, they want to feel they belong to something. It is a manifestation of valor. These are people who are searching for an identity, searching for a cause. If it is a commonality, it is those three themes. Valor, belonging, and eating inspired. Being inspired. Charlie there is a federal investigation of corruption in the department. What is that about and how big a worry is it . Cmsr. Bratton there are two separate investigations at the same time. We are collaborating very closely, my internal Affairs Division with the agency. The one investigation and falls involves illegal sale of gun licenses by my licensing unit. That has been very contained. We have the identification of the individuals involved and the people who obtained permits inappropriately. The second is of a different nature in which a number of officers including Senior Officers it has been alleged that some of the more distributive in police favors in exchange for trips or access to prostitutes. Very egregious violations of their responsibilities. A number of others, the activity, while inappropriate, has not risen to the level of criminal indictment or arrest. A number of others have retired. They are losing upwards of 250,000 to 500,000 in back pay. Because they are being pushed out the door early. Others that remain will be subjected to administrative charges for inappropriate conduct. As of now, we have four individuals who have been arrested. In excess of 10 have retired, another halfdozen are under active investigation. Charlie you have been a highprofile police commissioner. Ray kelly was a highprofile police commissioner. Is that helpful . Cmsr. Bratton in new york city you cannot help but be highprofile. We that is the reality. Are the Media Capital of the world. That is the reality. If you are not comfortable with the media, you do not want to be a new York City Police commissioner. You have to sit and talk with a charlie rose. You have to get in front of the 200 Police Cameras when there is a major incident. You have to deal with tabloids constantly hoping to put the department on the front page. Hopefully, with good news but not always. I have to chuckle when people accuse myself or predecessors as being high profile. It comes with the job. Charlie you are suggesting that commissioner oneill will be as high profile as you and ray kelly, since a because it goes with the job . Cmsr. Bratton different personality. But jimmy oneill has been all over the news, all the time. Consciously pushing them out. I dont want i am consciously pushing them out. I dont want one face to be the face of the department. It is a team. Jimmy has handled a lot of these press conferences and interviews. He is already practiced at it. I like the giveandtake. Charlie when you took this job, you came in and john miller came in. And joints you as Deputy Commissioner of intelligence and terrorism. When you took the job, what did you hope to accomplish . What was the standard you wanted to establish . Cmsr. Bratton there were four areas. Dealing with crime. To show that crime could continue to go down. Charlie and it has. Cmsr. Bratton and it will continue to do. And to deal with that controversy over stop and frisk. My view was the department was doing too much. We could do less and keep crime going down. Charlie do less stop and frisk . Cmsr. Bratton in other words more precision policing. This year we did about 15,000. About 25 result in an arrest meaning we are targeting to right people most of the time. The theory i wanted to pursue was neighborhood policing. Bringing police and Community Together with new ways of policing. The other area was technology. 21st Century Policing is all about technology. Im blessed in a city that has a great economy. A lot of tax revenue. A mayor who gave me almost 2 billion to spend on the nypd. Huge amounts of money. Charlie and you added 1300 officers. Cmsr. Bratton we also added the equivalent of almost 1000 more because we have been hiring civilians. We hired 700 cadets who will eventually become officers. Incredible growth. Charlie lets talk about your relationship with bill de blasio. Did you know him well when you took the job . Cmsr. Bratton i did not. I met him along with several candidates in the run up to 2013. I advised them. I was fortunate enough that he gave me a second bite of the apple the second bite of the big apple. And came back as his police cap police commissioner. Over these last years, i have developed profound respect for his support and me and this department. My greatest regret as i go out the door is that he is not respected or appreciated for that. Charlie why do you think that it is . Cmsr. Bratton i wish that i knew. The bill de blasio that i know cares about his cops. To the extent that out of the , resources he has, he has been extraordinarily generous to us. Safety issues. Cleaning up police precincts. The most modern equipment in american policing. This guy that i know, the guy who is unintrusive into management of the department. Charlie if you dont know, who knows . You know the police, you know him, and you know the community. Cmsr. Bratton you and i travel in some of the same social circles. We hear it all the time. Sometimes these are wealthy people and i say, what has he done to you . Crime is down. Your taxes have not gone up. Your social status hasnt changed. Why this visceral dislike . I cannot figure it out. The individual i have had the privilege of working with, who has given me such responsibility and such authority, has resulted in my leaving with my record intact. Having significant change on american policing. Charlie and setting into motion a seamless continuity change. People and i say, what has he cmsr. Bratton that very seldom happens. It happened in l. A. Charlie generally when you make a choice, other people leave because the future is not there. Cmsr. Bratton he understood the difficulty of running the nypd. A stranger coming and would take a year up to speed. Why interrupt the momentum with a stranger when you have several people very capable of keeping this moving without interruption . Charlie for bill de blasio, was a moment when he came to speak at a funeral and police turned their backs on him. Cmsr. Bratton that is unfortunate. I spoke out about that. It was an awful time in the citys history. An awful time in my years in the business. I regret the actions of new York City Police officers. It was inappropriate. Particularly at a funeral. Charlie why did they do it . Cmsr. Bratton it was a significant dislike in the rankandfile for this man. Charlie but why . Significant dislike on the part of the rankandfile of the nypd. You are the commissioner. It is your job to explain to your rankandfile. Cmsr. Bratton my job in part is to keep crime going down, to keep the city safe. Charlie in addition to that, your job is also i would assume some sense of motivating, of being a voice for the people who work for you, and at the same time some sense of communicating to them what you see as the reality. Cmsr. Bratton i think i have been a very active voice on their behalf. Indicating the response of this mayor to their needs. A multiyear contract that is unresolved. A source of great resentment to the leaders of the union. I have done a very good job, i think, of dealing with the deck that i was dealt. With a mayor whom the police do not like for a variety of reasons which i do not fully understand. It had to do principally with comments that the mayor made. He is in a mixedrace marriage, married to an africanamerican woman. He has mixedrace children, and he made a comment at the time. We were dealing with a horrific murder of the two detectives. He said the advice he gives to his son about dealing with police. Every africanamerican i have dealt with, including many whites, talk about advising the children when dealing with police which is to do certain things. Not put effectively, do your life at risk. Charlie some call it the talk. Cmsr. Bratton if you will. Every africanamerican whether the 1 ers, or those in the church basement. Some of the offpeak officers at that time some in the union , took offense at that comment because of the time it was being made, when we were still in the process of grieving and burying the two officers who had been murdered. The comment from the Union President was that the mayor had blood on his hands. Cops often are responsive to their union leadership. They responded to that allegation in a way that i thought was very inappropriate. Turning their back on this wellintended individual, in terms of these instructions to his son, and his concerns to the new York City Police officers. There is a disconnect. One of the frustrations i have, that jimmy will need to try to address, is the gulf that exists between my mayor and my cops. We have been able to move forward, in spite of that, with continued reduction in crime and reduction of complaints against my officers. What is not occurring is respect for the mayor of the city. Charlie two last questions. Legacy. Will it be what you have done to reduce crime or will it be what you had to deal with when you came here with your second term in the big apple in terms of reform . Cmsr. Bratton i will leave the legacy to the historians. As we know, it is usually best determined at a distance. In terms of my own sense of self, i think i have been able to play a Critical Role in american policing over these last 45 years in helping to move it into an embrace of community policing, an embrace of a better use of technology, an embrace of the principles. Sir robert peels nine principles. If you read them, they are more appropriate today than back then. I think i played a significant role along with jack maple and the cops in the 1990s showing america that something could be done about crime. In 1989, he made a comment. I was just coming in to new york at the time. When asked about crime, he made a, which was very unusual for the governor. He said, maybe this is as good as it gets. 2200 murders on the streets of new york. 5700 people shot. What we proved was, police count, cops matter. How do they count and how do they matter . We believe we can do something about crime and we did it. Sociologists were saying it could not be done. That police would have no impact on crime. We had a change. Racism, poverty, the community. It begins with optimism. You can do something. In the 1980s, we had given up, thought we could do anything about crime. I did not. I love my profession and believed we could do something about it and we did. It began with optimism. It was enabled by leadership, but it was also enabled by smart and dedicated people thinking about the issue in a new way. We did it and continue to do it. 25 years later, it is still going down. Charlie when you came to me you said, i love public service. That is the reason im doing it. You are leaving public service. You are leaving to work for a private Advisory Firm, which has huge clients and corporations in the face contemporary problems beyond making a profit. Having to do with terrorism, having to do with loan shooters, having to do with a range of issues. A whole range of new problems. Whatever the Advisory Firm does, you will be heading up a risk group. Why was this the place you chose to go . Beyond the money, to leave what was so in your blood. Public life. You had to find your repeat you had defined europe location. You had defined your reputation. Mr. Bratton two things happened in this past year. My father passed away after an illness. If the illness had continued, i would have been insignificant financial difficulty trying to arrange for the best of care for him. I am not a person of means. I worked in the Public Sector most of my life. I have several relatively small pensions from those assignments. To take this job, i was giving up a significant sevenfigure income. Over the last several years, this job has cost me 1 million per year. When faced with my dads situation, i realized how fragile my financial situation was for me and my wife, but also my extended family. I want to be able to take care of my grandkids, their college needs. I have to leave something i love into something that will also be interesting and challenging, but financially able to allow me to have a degree of comfort that i cannot have in the Public Sector. I can take care of my wife and i, as we go into an older age, but i can also take care of my grandkids in terms of hundred thousand dollars per year college tuition. And ill have that. Have taking skills i have acquired into new environments that i will find interesting. Extraordinarily talented people. I will still stay aware. And mindful and potentially engaged int he public debates. If asked for advice we will be happy to give that. Charlie thank you for coming. Commissioner bratton retiring after 45 years of police service, beginning in 1970. We will be right back. Charlie Donald Trumps president ial campaign is in the midst of one of its most difficult challenges. The candidate has spent the last five days reeling from the candidates remarks he made about the family of a soldier killed 12 years ago. On tuesday, and member of congress made a comment to publicly support hillary condon. Meg whitman Hillary Clinton. Meg whitman situate actively campaign for clintons candidacy. Al, let me begin with the mood in washington and around the country as you talk to republicans in both places. Al more and more republicans think that these last five days are seminal moments. We have had a lot of near fatal times for donald trump. This, they believe, is different. It really may be the guns of august. Taking on a gold star family, the tasteless heart episode the other day the purple heart episode the other day, criticizing paul ryan and john mccain. Donald trump is beyond repair. These are not distractions, this is him. The bump that Hillary Clinton got from the Convention May be permanent and growing. Charlie what can they do . Al there is very little that they can do. There are conversations which Jonathan Karl first podcast about what happens if trump gets out. I think the odds against that are 95 . But they are already talking about the rules they have to apply for the rnc and who they would turn to which is a sign of their desperation. There is nothing they can do to force him out. Charlie they have no influence on him . Al i dont know who has influence on him. I dont think these people im talking to have influence. The congressional and Party Leaders dont have any influence. I doubt that the Paul Manaforts of the world have any influence. Charlie even though they are at the center of the storm, they have no ability to change his mind or suggest alternatives . Al i think somebody would have said to him, if they could get through, three or four days ago, you dont want to have a fourday battle with a gold star family. Cut your losses, apologize, and get out. That is not what donald trump does. I think they would have said, dont attack paul ryan, john mccain and kelly are you kelly ayotte. Today, i saw newt gingrich, who is good about having his finger in the wind said his campaign is being selfdestructive and it has to get back on course. I think this is the course. Charlie it has to do with the essence of who donald trump is and how he thinks he succeeded so far. Both in life and politics . Al yeah. He is 70 years old. He thinks it has worked for him very well. There is a dispute about how wealthy he is, but he is not on food stamps. He got the nomination. And he beat a big field. The problem with that selfanalysis of trump is he does have fervent support among 30 40 of the public, but every day he seems to alienate those others. Richard hanna, the congressman from new york, republican, will not be the first officeholder to say they will vote for Hillary Clinton. I think that there will be a slew of other ceos, in addition to meg whitman, mark cuban this week, so look for highranking National Security officials to say it is a bridge too far. Charlie there is also this. John mccain and paul ryan have primaries. Difficult for john mccain, but i assume paul ryan will win easily. Donald trump has refused to endorse them. That seems beyond the pale in terms of politics or need. It is not having a battle or feud with a family. These are people who have endorsed him. Al it puts them in a terrible dilemma. Kelly ayotte in New Hampshire has a primary one month from now. It makes it very difficult for john mccain or the senator from New Hampshire to break ranks totally. I think that their advisors to those republicans saying, he is giving you an opportunity. You can say he is not for us and we are not for him. When a have a primary, and the right is a strong as it is in those areas, that is some thing they cannot do. John mccain whatever your politics, it would be a great tragedy if john mccain loses his last race because of donald trump, a man who is the antithesis of everything mccain is. That is the way it is looking. Charlie and who had his own feud with trump. Al yeah. Charlie there is no one to go to donald trump and say, please stop. There is nobody likely to be able to lead a republican revolution against trump at this stage . Al the only people who might have influence, whether they would exercise it or bring it to bear would be his children. That is not to say for a moment that they would say, you have to get out. I dont think there is any other politician who can come close to doing that. Many he has disassociated himself with. Ryan cannot go there, mitt romney cannot go there, jeb bush cannot go there. So suddenly, when he said these last couple days that the election is rigged. That is a perplexing statement. The only way that makes sense is if you want to set the predicate saying it is illegitimate, that is why i lost. Or the unlikely event he decides, im getting out because it is rigged. That is what these republicans are i happen talking to say, what do we do then . They basically say there is no good choice. There is no way that we win in the unlikely event that occurs, but it might be better than having him. Charlie so what might they do in the event that occurs . Al it all goes to the rnc. It is something called rule nine. I will not bore you with it. The 168 members would have to get together, from the rnc. It is not clear what rules they are bound by and they would have to pick some money to fill in. The options would be three or four. Mitt romney would drive the trump people crazy. Ted cruz, very popular with elements of the party. John kasich who would be the most electable. No good options. Charlie and no paul ryan . Al i think ryan would drive the trump people as crazy as mitt romney. What about the president of the United States saying the candidate of the Republican Party is not fit to be president . Al i dont think republicans like that because they think that will make some hardcore conservatives dig in all the more. They are against anything that obama says. In that sense, it was selfish. It is what a lot of people say. I have had republicans and democrats say, in 2000, i didnt think that w was qualified to be president. It did not worry me for the sake of the country. People on the other side say, in 2008, i thought that obama lacked the requisite experience but i did not worry about the country. There are serious people now who say, the possibility of donald trump in the white house worries them about the country. I have never heard that before. Charlie meg whitman, a republican who ran for governor of california said, he is a dishonest demagogue. Demagogue. Al you cannot get much tougher than that. She is not alone. Norm coleman, the former senator from minnesota said the same thing. Privately, im sure john mccain says things a lot tougher, maybe a lot earthier than meg whitman. I think there will be others who say it too. What can trump do . What he could do is what the Mitch Mcconnells and paul ryans wanted to do. Get back to the issues. Hillary clinton hasnt had a great four or five days. She had a mediocre interview last weekend. There are reports that syria and cash transfers to the iranians. Those are all issues that would hurt her if donald trump or not werent dominating the news by attacking goldstar mothers and fathers. Charlie there are also difficulties with obamacare. All caps of issues the republicans would be talking about. They are not because they are talking about the goldstar family. Al thats what drives it. The notion that this is the establishment. It is, but a lot of republican say this is an election that matters. One of those issues is not to attack a gold star mother and father. Charlie at the same time, there are those people who say, we do not know how big the movement is that donald trump has tapped into. How large it is, how wide it is, how deep it is. And how well it will come out for donald trump. Can donald trump expect to do better than we might assume within the constituency he has . Al that is a fervent constituency. We learned that in the primaries. He said one time, if i shot someone on fifth avenue, i would not lose any votes. Among that fervent following, i think that is true. What the number is he has 30 40 who will be with him no matter what. The problem is, you do not win an election with 40 . It is hard to see how what he is doing will appeal to those meg whitmantype gop members. A former governor of new jersey. Some of those types are independents or even soft democrats. . C sv charlie joining me now from washington, bob costa of the washington post. In the get an idea of where you think this campaign is as it concerns donald trump. Bob the khan family represent something unprecedented. Trump has a full public opponent that is unusual for trump. This is a family that is a goldstar family. I was with them in washington. They do not trouble with handlers. It is presenting trump with fresh challenges about how to act with the nominee. But this is hotly debated especially within the Republican Party. We have been watching donald trump for over a year have these controversies bubble up almost daily. He seems to be competitive. Because of the wind, the political winds sweeping the country, populism for change, he remains competitive. Its not just the khan family, its warren buffett, it is a range of people saying not fit. A range of people saying at long last. That kind of thing. It seems to me that there is a coming together. Some asking how strong is the convergence so i am asking how strong is the convergence of these things . Bob it is strong. The democrats have got a bit of a bounce. At the heart of this campaign is not an ideological project. He is not making an argument in a political way. This is an isolated candidate, a defiant candidate, who operates without the advice of advisors. He has advisors like paul manafort, but this is somebody met navigating the political terrain on his own. That has made it a strange situation for his party. This is one person dominating and deciding moment by moment. Nejra does he charlie does he ask questions . Does he say, this is going to go far . Sometimes, you see him responding, and the khan family is a perfect example of that. In the beginning he did not talk about the heroics of the son, an american hero. He came to that. He is now trying to explain russia, the ukraine, and other issues. Bob there are so many issues it is a most hard to keep track of every new controversy for the trump campaign. He continues to move forward. When a trump deals with this is publicly. One of the things i have always found on trump is that there are not a lot of backroom conversations. The Traditional Campaign where you would have memos and different strategy meetings. Trump deals with things publicly and sometimes people close to him do not hear about what he is thinking until he says it on a rally. There always traveling or always on his 26th floor office, operating, thinking, watching television and reacting. Going on the cycle where he thinks his instincts can propel him forward. Charlie i hear him you say, and you have watched him as long as any good reporter, you have not seen donald trump change. He has accumulated victories. He had a convention in which he made a 70 minute speech, but you have not seen him change . He is the person operating on the same behavior that you saw from the beginning . Bob he is very resistant to change. He is not somebody who would like to change at all. This is the disappointment that cascades throughout the Republican Party. There was always the hope that he could he packaged into something that is a little bit more appealing. Republicans have made him the nominee and they do not know how to deal with it. It is very telling how speaker ryan and leader mcconnell are dealing with the fallouts from the khans. They want to distance themselves but are not rescinding their endorsement. It is against they are not comfortable doing. Charlie at the same time there is a concern about, if worse comes to worst, the senate will he affected and the house may be affected. Bob that is a real conversation here in washington. I was on capitol hill this morning and ran into republicans. They say, if trump continues down this path of operating alone and welcoming controversy rather than trying to comment. Tangling with controversy and opponents the campaign should not have as opponents, than when does the Party Starter break away from trump . Not just distance themselves with trump . Republicans to not want to entertain that publicly right now. Everyone is issuing the statement saying they are with trump in spirit but do not want to support trump. It is getting to a situation that is out there. Trump came out with a tweet monday supporting paul ryans primary challenge. Paul ryan has a primary speaker. Reiner stuck with trump, but the camp ryan is stuck with trump but until that trump is frustrated with ryan and that he is not full throated in his support. Charlie how deep and how wide is the movement that trump has accepted as his reason for being . Bob it is wider than any party. It includes Bernie Sanders supporters and some libertarians. The most important voter is the previously disengaged voter. They are almost nonpartisan, but they have given up not just on the political process, but they have disengaged from civic society. The do not really follow politics. Trump has lit a fire to have them come back to the process, come back to civic life. If that is a coherent voting block, then trump will have a shot in november. That is a huge block. There is so much of this country that rarely, if ever, votes. For some reason they are coming to the polls in drove and that could change everything. Charlie what is your best evidence that trump can pull that off . Bob it is not based on his Political Organization or his strategy. It is based on the times and the expansion of that movement. The base and feel happy about how they are living in america, to feel better about their lives or their childrens lives. It cuts across party lines. Everywhere that i go, people are frustrated with the country at large. Trump may be the benefit of that. He is not entirely making an overture to them in a straightforward way. He is a symbol of somebody who is an outsider, an interloper. Charlie thank you for joining us. Thank you for joining us. See you next time. 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