Transcripts For BLOOMBERG Charlie Rose 20160731

Service. Daughter, i had a special window into how she served. I have seen her holding the hands of mothers worried about how they will get their children the health care it they need. I saw my mother promising to do everything she could to help. I have seen her right after those conversations heading straight to work figuring out what she could do, who she could call, how fast she could get results. She always feels like there is not a moment to lose. Thatse she knows that for mother, for that to family, there isnt. Time, how me all the do she do it . How do she keep going amid the sound and the fury of politics . Heres how. Ever because she never forgets who she is fighting for. [applause] Chelsea Clinton she has worked to make it easier for foster kids to get adopted. Responders torst get the health care they deserve. For women around the world to be safe, to be treated with dignity, and into have more opportunities. These, they are what keep my mother going. They grab her heart and conscience and never ever let go. Charlie last night, president obama gave a speech which signified the passing of the torch. Is here. Er welcome. Eric it is good to be here. Michelle speech, the president s speech, mine was about five minutes. I spoke about Voting Rights and criminal Justice Reform. Charlie how much will that be part of your life now . The idea for being an advocate for criminal Justice Reform and race . I left, and my going away ceremony, i said while i was leaving the department of justice i would never leave the work. I want to stay involved in the fight for equality to make sure we protect the right to vote. All the things connected to race which have so be doubled us as a nation for so long. Come to i think and i this from people like Brian Johnson and others, a hard look. Have we considered all of the impact of what is flavoring this country. Eric i dont think we have. When one looks at slavery and the time after slavery think they had slavery by another name of segregation. Helicesies, government put in place of the 1930s. There are a whole lot of things that still resonate here in the 20th century that still find their roots in the slavery experience and those things that follow. Thelie we are all asking same things. Make sure we understand the constitution. Every speaker. Do somethingto about violence against young people and old people in terms of police committing acts of violence in the middle of whatever. We also have to make sure week and youre set this to come up have to make sure we understand and appreciate and make sure no againstws violence police. We want to go once of further than the next up a next up. Eric it is interesting. I think we have done that first step, to raise the issue. To make sure Law Enforcement treats people they are supposed to serve with dignity and respect and theres not a tension between those two. The question becomes, how to we get the next level. I think theres got to be some hardheaded conversation. A few recommendations from the 20th century task force. There are specific steps. 23 or 24 steps, if you follow those we could really move the ball in a significant way but we have to understand that whole relationship, the Law Enforcement and Community Relationship cannot be viewed and a microcosm. It is part of a Larger Society and larger societal issues around race that we continue not to address. We are adept at avoiding racial issues because it makes us feel uneasy. It brings up a bad past. Charlie and then there is the huge part new officials cannot look at someone and make an assumption and act on that basis. That is something we have to attack. Charlie where do you think you succeeded and failed in terms of your tenure . Air i think we raise the ball when he came to civil rights enforcement. It had been decimated in the department i came to. I look at we protect the right to vote. Lgbt equality. I think we did a good job at moving terrorism cases into the article three court. I do not think we did a good job when it came to getting done control. Then safety regulations in place. The one area i think i wish i couldve made more process. I suspect the president would say the same thing. It are i thought after newtown, after the 20 Little Angels were murdered, mo down, i thought that would be the tunnel is. The Vice President and i met with a wide variety of gun roots. I think we could have at least. Ad a consensus charlie is that what has to happen . A consensus with the nra . Air i do not think so. I do not think theyre ever going to come along. I think we need a spine injection to the people in washington to do the things their constituents want them to do. Charlie will this be a primary issue for Hillary Clinton . it is a primary part of her candidacy that i am most product when i associate myself with her. Unlike others, was a concern you might alienate others, she has said she is for gun safety regulation. She is talked about what she thinks needs to be regulated and tot is a start contrast donald trump. It gives her mandate should she be elected. A mandate, ands expectation. Charlie we saw 12 years ago history made in 2008. Is history inn itself. In the general election, the remarkable history. We have watched in eight years the possibility. Was born in 1951 and i lived through the civil rights movement. If you had told me in college, in lawschool under that i would serve in africanamerican and after that a woman would be president of the United States, i mightve asked you to take a drug test. Charlie and they would vote through the lawyers. Work and here we are. We could never forget this is a nation that has made great progress. We have things to do. Despite what donald trump says, we have made great progress and if we do not acknowledge that we eightt doing disservice to people who have put their lives on the line to make nice like this possible. Charlie i have had people tell me donald trump is dangerous for the future. Air dentistry. He is temperamentally unsuited to be president. There are a number of disqualifiers to his candidacy, the latest of which is his apparent invitation to the russians to somehow get involved in the hacking of private citizen email. The fact that he does not instinctually know charlie and mightve been deleted from a server, private server. Eric the fact that he does not know there are collateral consequences to a request like that is to me, frightening. I think he would be a dangerous president. Charlie is what he suggested treason . Air i am not sure about that. I would have to know what it is about what he said. Charlie i can remind your you were the attorney general. Eric i would need a lot more stuff than simply that statement to make a determination. Charlie is an illegal . To potentially say to another country, i want you to engage in an illegal act. Eric in this illegal to hack. Charlie i want you to engage in an illegal hack to my opponent with a political advantage to me. Air i am not sure he used those words and that way. That is why his flow bench would eric im not sure to use those exact words. That is why his exact verbiage would be important. Note is a reason it is disclosed. Charlie for what reason . Eric National Security concerns, it would reveal sources and methods and the tactics we have two prevent hacking by a variety of entities. Charlie we know they hacked John Brennans phone. We know they hacked the personnel. We know they hacked sony. We know they hacked other private companies. We know they hacked the dnc. Do you believe it was the russians who hacked the dnc . Eric i do not know. Im mentoring to avoid the question. I really do not know. Charlie what about your opinion . Eric i think it is entirely involved. Hey were i think was entirely possible the russians were involved. I would not the past them. Their experience. That they would do Something Like that. Not print. N trump seems to have a bromance with them. Charlie wide you say bromance . Has discussed admiration. Talked about a willingness to work with them in areas where we are in stark contrast. Charlie would it strengthen Vladimir Putin of donald trump or elected . absolutely. Donald trump has questioned the validity of the very things that of kept russia and the ussr at bay for half a century. Nato. Charlie we think china has been engaged in hacking. North korea. The president said he thought north korea was involved. Air there were five North Koreans indicted for hacking eric five koreans North Koreans were indicted for attorneyhen i was general. Charlie doing it on behalf of commercial entities. The chinese. Are saying we dont do that, but we do it for National Security reasons. Eric we have capacity we make the use of and i will leave it at that. I am not going to get in trouble with the justice department. Charlie [chuckling] you are not going to risk that are you . You question Donald Trumps great matter. Do you think is not smart enough to be president . Eric i sometimes think he hides behind a certain votto just to hide a lack of substance. Therson this for a lot of process, i think we would know little bit more about what his plans are. Hisould know more about who mentors mightve been. Who his intellectual guides might be. I dont think that is any of that to him. He seems to be a very shallow man. Charlie no intellectual interest other than a businessman. Whose value sent is primarily, and he said that to a degree, winning. That is what he said America Needs to do. America needs to win. Win against the chinese. What charlie . We are winning. We have the best economy in the world. The envy of every other in economy and the world. One of the other things that makes me doubt his intellectual half is he sees everything in black and white. That is the realm of people who are not very smart. Because the world really, the tough stuff is in the gray area. That is where you have to try to figure things out and he has shown no interest and i think no capacity to delvin and operate in those gray areas. Charlie yet in the swing states that are crucial he is even. He is even. Despite everything you just said , dangerous, not smart enough, onedimensional. Even. Eric i think it is too early to look at polls and make a determination. I showed one that showed them a points behind in pennsylvania. Another said he was even in pennsylvania. As always, i would be looking at florida. If he cannot win florida than it does not work. Even if he wins pennsylvania. If we win florida it is pretty much over. Do you think for sec. Clinton to win she has to win ohio and florida . Eric notrs. Necessarily. There are a number of states where she could lose and still be above 270. Charlie Loretta Lynch was general when fbi director james comey released his judgment about the email investigation into Hillary Clinton. He said she was careless. Said he clarified that. Did he clarify that as far as you know . Eric i think in the hearing they made the next day, some of the things he made the day before charlie what was the clarity . Information ithe been clearly marked and in response he said there were a couple things, not headliners. It was not a strong as was the date before. Charlie but carelessness is not a president ial holiday we want to see is it . Air people make mistakes. Abraham lincoln suspended habeas corpus. Charlie that was not careless. He knew what he was doing. Eric he apologize. Charlie what she did was a mistake and wrong. Knowledged what she did was wrong. Mistakes as attorney general. Charlie i would like to get a list of them. Eric were talking about this election. Mistakes. E huge mistakes in areas that are consequential. You can look at them and see how were handled. Charlie the russians for example. Lets assume it may have been the russians and everybody seems to think that it is a possibility. As you suggested, they hacked have cases that they could hacked here. That is one question. The other question, and did they do it with the influence to influence with the reason to influence the election . Is it unreasonable to expect that someone might have hacked . Er server in her house is that unreasonable . Isc i do not think it something one should suspect. It was not an official government server. Charlie they know who she is. Eric there are protections that can be built in. You can build secure systems. Charlie hacking expert . Not that. In a private setting, you can put up secure systems. I cannot vouch for that system. Charlie nobody has any evidence it was . It is possible. The cause we dont know because we see no evidence. Eric right. And no evidence as advanced by the trump camp either. Although they would like to have it. It aboutwhat is president obama that most runs a sense of pride to you . Because you are close to him. Dignity. A sense that everybody admires. What she said resonated. She spoke as a mother. Spoke about protection of children. Spoke in a way that you want to be able to trust children to a place and eight leadership where they are safe. In t, interesting enough, said he had to wear dark glasses to sashas graduation because he was crying. what i admire the most and why i will miss him is he is in honorable guy. The person you see is who he is. He is a little fun here then he is in public. He is a person that although a politician, ultimately always says, what is the right thing to do. He always does. I remember during the campaign he was told he had to do something to hillary. Run for the presidency, and he said, i remember, he said, if i have to do that i will not be resident. And i thought might myself, this is why am attracted to this guy. Charlie in terms of value standards. Eric there is a line it will not cross. Those right, those run. There are consequences for doing the right thing and i will do it nevertheless. Why is charlie interesting thing in america today. A thirdher running for term running for her own and making her case later. And it is interesting to me and i do not understand this, the polls say this country is on the wrong track. But he is pulling above 50 . Dont understand that. By all of the normal, traditional measures people should be saying we are in a pretty good face especially if you consider this country as opposed to other nations around the world and yes, a track record for exactly what you say. I think a part of that has to do with the campaign and the drum beat that people are fed on a constant basis by republicans about how bad things are when in fact there are pockets of problems. There are issues. Charlie when you say that, obviously this commissions this sense of believing in america. When i wanted to ask him, what could make your belief, strongest military, economy, military, sophistication. He said our politics could stop it. Yes. We have a dysfunctional system and washington, d. C. , right now and that drums up so much. Education, acture, whole variety. A hole right if things you need the government to be involved in. Is still saying the year of the Big Government is over. I would say, Good Government still and doors. Evil thing. S not an Charlie Ronald reagan was wrong when he said government is not the solution, it is the problem. Air i think he was completely wrong. 100 wrong. Charlie the era of the government is over is what he said. Those kinds of things. Air eric i think because of demographic reasons, because of the failure of certain policies were seeing a shift in the nation and the nation as a whole is moving to the left. Charlie what does that mean . In the sense of the role of governing . In terms of the sense of government, what it wants government to do, policies it wants to see in place. Conservative things that of Reigns Supreme for 30 years are being questioned. Charlie we dont want to be open or closed, do we . And openness to the rest of the world. Do we want to close down . Eric that is a fundamental question that has always been openred as we want to be to the world. That is how we renew ourselves. A comparative advantage to being the best nation. Charlie but some people are hurting, worried about their economic security. Worried about not having the life for their children. Eric were going through a time of transition. We are going from an Industrial Society of people who would be on a factory line and make, refrigerators. Now robots are doing them. Doing things that could not be done before. This is a wrenching economic time for us. Charlie a time for leadership. Optimism. A time for charlie a five more questions can i call you . absolutely. Previouseric holder, attorney general for the United States. Back in a moment. We continue with a top democratic donor and friend of the Clinton Family. A supporter of barack obama and a successful wall street hedge fund man. Involved in politics and he comes this evening i assume to watch Hillary Clintons acceptance of the nomination. What does it mean to you . Look, i think it is great. I have three girls. My youngest is pregnant, she is due any day and decided to come here. A big deal for women and i think many. Something phenomenal. Charlie when jew first meet the Clinton Family . You are very close to the former president as well. I met them when he was in the white house. After he left office, we became much closer. Charlie take someone like you, you are a friend of mine as well. You support political candidates. You bundle money for them. Why . I believe in it. I was born outside the usa, morocco. For me, the ability to and of being involved in politics. The ability to help democratic , i think you have an obligation. You should beginning back and it is something i want to do. Charlie donald trump says people like you give money because they want something. I heard that. Andso think donald trump people like me should not be allowed to. I mean, i am from morocco. By the end of the day, the reason i am doing it is at the end of the day i do believe in the cause. I believe hillary would be a great president s i want to do everything i can to help that. I think others do as well. Charlie you supported strongly president obama and believed in him. What is your assessment of how well he is done in the last eight years . He was done a good job. Charlie you are a businessman. Yes. Where the market is, it is reaching record highs. Look at the economy. It is doing exponentially better. Charlie now are concerns about the economy. And other indications of that. That is right. A recession. Dorybody wants things to better when its fine. What is going well, everybody wanted to go great. When you look at where we are to where we are today, i am very happy at the job he has done. What i like to have had less regulation in the Financial Sector . Sure. Charlie but you can live with that. And that is exactly it. Charlie and it came out of the congress primarily. At the end of the day, i think it was a little bit too far. Too much relation on the banks today and that is why i think this sort of people needs that. Charlie there is a sense the Democratic Party is moving left. Not late. [laughter] late and left. Charlie are you a fan of that in terms of what you would like to see in the party contribute to . I like to see it more to the center. Charlie like bill clinton . Exactly. I understand it is moving left. The needs of the country are different. At the end of the day, i think for most americans it is best that hillary is in the middle. To have compromises, do not know if youre going to be able to do that. Charlie you know some who reported and worked for barack obama now work for the clintons. Look at this election. 45 , one candidate. Republican candidate. And support for the democratic candidate. And in between is about 9 or 10 who are independent not affiliated either way. That is where the election will be decided. Exactly. Is reasonable and logical, that person is going to vote for hillary after they see all the Different Things donald trump has done. You would hope the independent vote would go that way. How to Business People feel about this election . I realize that is a broad brush. But i read something the other day that said like, the investors, General Electric and big companies, manufacturing business, they are the people. I mean, think about the business, roundtable, people like that. The chamber of commerce is not supporting donald trump. Iswhat business wants stability. They want transparency. They want to know what is happening. Charlie so they can make expectations. D on exactly. You might not agree with everything hillary says, but you know where she stands. With donald trump, you really do not know where he stands. Every day is sort of a different thing and that freaks people out. Charlie you are a constituent senator. Hen she was a did she listen . She was a great list. She really is. The thing that is great about hillary as she is exceptionally bright and will listen to it you have to say and given consideration. So the goal here for everybody is at the end of the day you have a president who is going to listen who will try to do the right ring. Charlie how she different from her husband as a politician . As goodnot think she is a politician. I think Hillary Clinton is in a class i herself. Charlie and she knows that. She was practically said that. She loves the policy part. Right . She is exceptionally bright, understands the issue, and is willing to work those issues far harder. President clinton was different in the sense he would try to do everything all at once and loved being with people. It is a very different mix. Charlie what do she need to do in your judgment to appeal to they maynds wherever be who have reservations about her having to do with trust. Having to do with changing positions on trade. I think what she has to do is be true to her self. There is nothing wrong with disagree, believe or and heres what we are going to do. I think the issue everybody has with hillary is there trying to figure her out and i do not think it is that complicated. She will explain what she wants to do. If people listen hard they will figure it out. When i talked to her, it is much more tell me what you want to do. If you dont want to do it, dont. If you believe in an and you are going to be the president , do what you think is best for the country. Sector and barack obama. How is he different as a politician from her and from a President Trump . President clinton loved the politics. Are both very cerebral. Both exceptionally bright. Of one loves the politics being out there, whereas i think president obama views that more as you know, that is what i need to do. Where is president clinton loved that part of it. Charlie he loves being out there. He loves it. Yes. He will never be early to any event. Loves talking to people late to an event. He loves talking to people and being there. Charlie some people worry there may be something there and the tribe people are going to try to find everything they can, meaning whether there was some , some cause and effect. I think they should. There was no give and take. I gave to the foundation because i believed in what the foundation was doing. At the end of the day, people gave because they believed in it and they believed in what president clinton was doing. Nothingdation did wrong. I think there is always going to be questions and at the end of the day, what the foundation was doing was helping millions and millions of people. I am proud i gave to the hyundai should. Charlie and terms of the trust factor, how does she change that . Do that. T know how you i think people who know her absolutely trust her and have a huge amount of faith will stop i do not think, because she has been a long for a while and theres all this negativity charlie some said it goes back , you know, way back when and she became very protective. I think she is. Charlie literally, she got to washington and the whitewater investigation started. I think it is hard. I think people who know her well vouch for her. We saw this today. The last couple days. Everybody talking about what a great person she is. I think it is difficult for a lot of people who do not know her. As people get to know her, they will trust her more. I think at the end of the day when she is going to help small businesses. She wants to help people. Recreate and get this country , 3 , 4 , 5 . Helping out people who need that. That is which is going to end up doing and the other thing is why are people still paying 9 when u. S. Government is borrowing at 1 . Charlie what about trade, because people thought she would be nafta was a strong opponent of president clintons term in office. He and bob wooten believed in that. Looked at nafta and said, was that a good idea or not a good idea . She even raises questions about it. Where is she on trade . Look, i think she is got to be protrade. You live in an interconnected world. That theyve believe that we do not as a country is run. Charlie you cannot be in isolation. If youre in isolation you cannot lead. I think the United States has a moral responsibility to lead. That shining light. I think we are. Everybody wants to come live here in the United States and for the people who are not in the United States, they complain about the people who live in the United States complain about living here and everybody else wants to get in. There is a huge disconnect with that. We have to end up being part of this world. Pulling out, which is what donald trump wants to do, just is not going to work. We need to do a better job and hopefully that will happen. Charlie why did you want to come to the country . How did you come . My mother was a schoolteacher and she felt that if we headed to leave morocco and wanted to get a good education and succeed, you go to america. I became a naturalized citizen when i was 13yearsold. Every foreigners dying to come here. If you one the lottery born in the United States, that is great. If not, you try to come here. Somebody who came to this country and some working and becoming friends with somebody who was the exprison of the United States, i do not think that is something you could of done in any other country. Team,. Ing a basketball charlie was that a dream of yours . It really was. You ever talk to dolan about selling . That is never going to happen. That will never happen. I wouldve loved to. Charlie is it because you on thethat you wanted to team . I played. I love basketball. It was a phenomenal experience, i was involved in it my whole life and then when i had the opportunity to buy the milwaukee bucks, i ended up doing that about two years ago. What some ones television or do the backandforth . Reince i go there. My son is a delegate for the state of wisconsin. Truste back to the element, what kind of cabinet do you think hillary will have . I think you will find a diverse cabinet. End up withwill people who are very, very good at their jobs. Right . They are not political appointees. The end of being people who are really going to be able to make change and ask things. Which is part of the problem this country has right now. Charlie what is part of the album . You have to be able to turn things around and sort of have people who are able to do that. Charlie would you like to serve in the cabinet . I think everybody would love to serve. I do not think i could. Mainly because with the job that i have i want to continue doing that. Charlie when she is on stage tonight, it is the passing of the porch. The first African American president to the first woman nominated to be president , and perhaps president. It is a great country. Charlie it is. Thank you. Charlie we will be right back. Stay with us. Charlie we conclude with democratic strategist James Carville and republican conway. St kellyanne been a decent time for democrats . Yanne i dont think it is the convention Hillary Clinton thought she would walk into. I think she thought it would be easier. But it has gotten better as the week has worn on. The strongest voice for the best order in the credit party has already spoken and the crowd was very into it. Well see if independent or undecided voters long term. Hillary clinton enters this week with really tough headwinds in terms that two thirds of americans said they did not find her to be honest or trustworthy. In the polls with donald trump but this came at a good time for her. We will see if she makes her case. Think it was the best in mcculloch Credit Convention ive ever seen. The 1992. Charlie better the 92 . To say it. Te the speeches. Of the speeches. It has just been amazing. The whole convention. If Hillary Clinton gives the fifth best speech at a convention tonight, she will be all right. To give ae is going great speech. You are set up to 16. Whoever really gave a bad acceptance speech . , in 2012. N if you look at what he did and if we remember, john mccain actually went ahead after the convention. , justk it has just been the whole thing just the quality of the speeches, literally left taking. Between merylence streep and scott bail. It kind of started there. That was the bar. In fact, the bar was not who these celebrity is. You do not hear a lot about dom charlie john allen is speaking tonight. I have seen excerpts of hillarys speech tonight, im sure you have. I am shocked by her speaking to the whole country. Earlier this year she went to West Virginia and promised she would put the coal industry out of work. I think the trumpparents team ence take the trumpp team will take that all of her. A lot of people who appreciate those hardworking men were offended. There are bigger stakes here the end of West Virginia. I think that this is undeniably i think this party is united. I am looking at the tweets from republicans from rich lowry to aercap erickson. Charlie they were james this party is really united coming out of here. Charlie there is economic discontent and donald trump will try to take the democrats what used to be called reagan democrats and get them on an work. Ic to tell them trade hurt you, immigration hurt you. Well, he will do do better than mccain or romney did. He may not win. He may be the first republican candidate in the history to lose that demographic. It is socially undesirable for many to say they are for donald trump. People are looking for a reason trump. For donald if the polls stay tight and she does not look like the winner, 82 chance people thought hillary would win, 57 percent donald trump would win. Remarkable turnaround. James not necessarily. Charlie i will come back to that. But let me just say, what is the basic argument for Economic Issues having to do with the welfare of the middle class hillarydonald trump and clinton. Several things. If you listen to some of the stages, she is saying how she and her husband worked three jobs, kids are sleeping. That is the kind of speech you expect when you are not asking for four more years in the economic malaise that woman is identified. What trumps messages, you have not had a raise and a while. Cost of living is up. Every day affordability. I think the mistakes the mccains make, you have to talk to the job holders. Not the creators and seekers. The holders. They are still waiting to pay the bills. The nontpp here. These are potential trump voters. James there is a distinct difference. Donald trump thinks he can take the country back to some day we had 20 years ago. Hillary clinton, bill clinton, joe biden, it tim kaine, believe you can forge a Better Future for the company. I think his message to people is, there is something you had and we can go back. That is his slogan. I did not make it up. It is make America Great again. That is the difference in this election. Do we want to yank ourselves back to something we had in our minds . I think you heard a lot of that tonight. A lot of that from president obama. Verynk it has been a effective convention in that sense. You cannot argue about a family. Charlie heres what is interesting to me. A lot of his choice seems to be, you know, the other person is so bad you have got to vote for me. I am the least best choice. James i have not heard that. There is some of that. Charlie i listen to a lot of that. Every speaker has been attacking him as being unfit to be president. Nobody did that to john kerry in 2004 . Charlie were not talking about 2004. The worst thing said about Hillary Clinton. I mean, rudy julianna. I mean, the end date and. Put her in prison. That is not my cup of tea by the way, at all. Choices. Mes down to do you want the kind of change will clinton, and James Carville. They are trying to have this change maker, nobody believes that is authentic. Her best argument is steady is ready. The problem is where are the results . You have millions of women and children in poverty if you had your own speak at the Democratic National Convention Going out theres an, i have three jobs and cant get an stew meat, where is the product . James not impressed by a democratic argument, i am surprised people are astonished that politics breaks out at a political convention. Theyre saying not nice things about the opponent, i mean, that is what these things do. Charlie no difference in the level of attack . There is, it is not working. We are going to filibuster here on the charlie rose show. Seen hereat you have is a constant level of accomplished people talking about how we can forge a Better Future in this country and about how Hillary Clinton does that. I think when you heard in cleveland was a lot of c book talking about yanking america back to a better day. That never existed. Forward. N is moving when this train moves philadelphia is going towards the future. Think willuld you come out of the convention . James i think were going to do well. I think we have had a very effective convention. Honestly, deep down inside, i am very optimistic about this cycle. I think the big question is republicans. There is so many of them. This will be, daddy what did you do in the war . Did you go with trump . Michael bloomberg . Did you go with people like that. Ted cruz. Gentlemen, why are the polls saying trump is ahead . Parity in the terms of the number of ads and the number of ad expenditures by the two teams. That is what is remarkable, charlie. Hundreds of miles of dollars spent against donald trump. People are becoming impervious to it. It is an important point has elections are about the future and not depressed but who does not remember the past is mark i dont think the independent voter is buying that pablum. Where are the specifics, in other words . I disagree. Charlie the central question had been raised. Veterans affairs, veteran administration reform. You cannot look at it and see if you think that is a good plan. Charlie why is the chamber of commerce he is not our handpicked candidate. There is a lot of sanctimony in the Republican Party right now. Charlie a high level of sanctimony . Absolutely. It is true. I am sure you love that, right . It is a serious issue. Past, he can win, he cant win. The democrats never describe that. Billelect people like clinton and obama. They say they cannot win and they win. It is our turn to do that. The democratic the demographics of the ascendance james i wrote a book. More are actually democrats in the country then there are republicans. I think we are going to come out rejoindernight with a Democratic Party. Charlie thank you very much. Good night