Conservatives say trumps ideas would be disastrous. The chamber of commerce and labor unions. Mitt romney and elizabeth warren. Economists on the right and the left and the center, all agree trump would throw us back into , recession. Charlie the speech comes at a moment for trump who has suffered a series of missteps he coming the presumptive nominee. Today, he fired his top aide and Campaign Manager. He will deliver his own speech in new york tomorrow which he announced on twitter and he will discuss the failed policies of crooked Hillary Clinton. Joining me now, Jenna Johnson of the Washington Post and here in new york gillian tett. ,joining us is also we also have Susan Glasser of politico. ,e would like to hear her words but we do not have video. Layout what she said that you think has resonance. Used what so many people have been looking for, which is a memorable one line zinger. She said he would bankrupt the country like he has bankrupted his casinos. She came out and basically said he had unreliable policies. She came out and said he had written Business Books that looks like they had ended with chapter 11 and had bankrupted his companies four times. She is finally coming out and saying here is a candidate who is totally unreliable. Charlie suggesting he will cause a recession and global panic if elected. Gillian absolutely. Make him out as someone who is completely irresponsible with the economy. Trump would disagree. She is saying economists and World Leaders all fear what trump would mean. Charlie what about the reaction of this speech . Susan trump is pushing back very hard. It is not an accident. He scheduled the attack speech in very next day after her speech. This is her crucial case. She has to make this case and undercut trump on the economy. She is leading him now in polls, and as a new cnn survey shows, the economy is one area where trump holds an advantage with voters. Unless she can undercut him on the very case he is making as a businessman, she is not going to be able to close the deal. I think this is really a crucial part to her pivot to the general election. Gillian one of the problems is if you ask voters about job growth, that is area they think one trump would do a better job than clinton. People dont believe hillary is going to create jobs. Charlie ok, jenna, what did you think of the speech, and what has reporting told you about responding to republicans and democrats . Jenna Donald Trumps case has been that he is a successful businessman. That he is not a politician, that he is going to run the bit country like he runs a business. It was very popular in the primary. In the general election, this is exactly what Hillary Clinton is trying to go after him on. He is trying to brand her as a politician, as crooked. We are interested to see tomorrow, is this going to be attack after attack after attack . Or is he going to lay out a thoughtful critique of hillary late outnd also maybe some of his own policy ideas . The reaction so far, republicans , a lot of republicans are not going to like anything Hillary Clinton says. They dont often believe some of the attacks that she has made. Especially at the higher levels of the Republican Party, they are worried about these attacks on donald trump when it comes to things like trump university, which has been accused of defrauding working people out of their money. Charlie i want to move beyond this. We have all talked about how donald trump has had a bad week and a bad couple of weeks. Been, tell me how this has in terms of how he reacted to orlando what he said about the , judge, from indiana who he talked about could not be fair because he had mexican heritage, and what he represents today or yesterday in firing his Campaign Manager. What does this all say about where the Trump Campaign is . Jenna right, well, it was back in early may became the likely he became the likely nominee. At that point, people expected him to start working on a general Election Campaign strategy. Instead, he was off the road a lot. When he is on the road, he has been campaigning in texas, a deep red state, and arizona. And while he is out on the road, he has been making all of these, it has been one disaster comment after another. He went after a judge who is assigned to a case involving trump university. This has nothing to do with the campaign, this is from his private business life. He was angry enough to get up at a rally in san diego a few weeks ago and go after this judge, accuse this judge of not being able to handle this case because the judges parents are from mexico. That sent off a lot of shockwaves. And instead of blocking back that comment or clarifying that comment or god for bid apologizing for the comment he doubled down on it. And he seemed to get himself in more and more trouble. And then there was the orlando shooting which could have been , opportunity for him to say here the policies i propose for preventing future attacks. And instead he is on twitter , taking credit for having predicted that Something Like this would happen. So yes, monday was a pretty monumental day in firing his Campaign Manager, someone who has had less and less power over the campaign in the last few weeks. It was still a symbolic thing to cut that Campaign Manager on the campaign. This is an opportunity for donald trump to hit a reset button and start over again. Edit the end of the day, he is donald trump. He is the one making a lot of these decisions. He is making these comments. If there is going to being a pivot or a reset, it will have to come from him as the candidate. Charlie susan, i get this one impression. That the democrats want to make this election a referendum on donald trump. Even in how they are using the attack on his business that we saw from Hillary Clinton she is turning , it into a character issue. With mitt romney, they tried to portray him as a callous businessman. With donald trump is about his suitability or lack thereof to be president. I expect all of their substantive critiques will come down to that. Here in washington in many ways, the attentiongetting gaffe of the last couple weeks, as much as anything, was the poorest day of the Trump Campaign organization and finances. It was really like official washington was involved with the idea that he only had 1 million in the bank of what is a Major NationalElection Campaign. It spoke to, again the judgment , issues, the lack of professionalism. A sense of the professional Political Class here in washington, and their party has been hijacked by an outsider who has a sort of callous disregard for the rules. Trump is still running a primary campaign. He has not turned to the general because he has not fully consolidated the Republican Party behind him. Today he is meeting with evangelicals as if he was still running against ted cruz instead of Hillary Clinton. The discussions on what kind of convention we will face in cleveland in july this summer. Charlie on economic questions, you know all the major people in the world of economics and what they think. Gillian ive known quite a few. Not as many as you. Charlie what is their judgment of the trump Business Record and the trump economic proposals for the country . Gillian most grownup economists and policymakers are completely appalled and disbelieving by what comes out of his mouth. But the one calculation everyone is frantically trying to make is, is he going to end up being a front man for the Republican Party and actually the grownups will come in and take over . I sat down with a group of republicans, Senior Republicans and one of the big powerbrokers , was trying to tell everyone around the table dont panic, trump will be the front man but people like paul ryan will , be in charge. Precisely because trump has no funding policy machine in the apparatus, eventually the republican funding policies will come in, and they will take control. If you are a republican, you state trump is the front man, you vote for him, then you end up controlling it, ryan controlling it. Charlie the person who would object to that the most is donald trump. Gillian absolutely. He hates the idea of being taken over. Charlie that he is a front man. Gillian if he really is weak in forms of logistics funding is it , going to be time to capitulate and let the republicans provide that for him . Will they be the plugandplay machine, if you like, this election . Frankly, we dont know. Charlie if it works, it sounds like a program for victory. Gillian it sounds like something that is a potential program. Whether that when some the race, who knows. Charlie 30 think trump is today . Where do you think trump is today . What makes them believe they can turn this around . They won the primaries. He wasnt expected to be the likely nominee. He was not expected to make it this far. So few people a year ago a believed in him. They feel like they have the perfect candidate at a perfect time in the country where there is a lot of dissatisfaction with both parties, with politicians of all sorts. And just like they have this magical rise to the nomination there is a feeling he can do it , again in the general. And i think they are very quickly realizing the general is a very different world. Its a different game, a very different set of voters. You have the whole country. You know he didnt run many , Television Ads during the primary. He mostly relied on free publicity. And now he is competing in all of these states across the country, and this barebones campaign that he has is not going to hold up. Charlie there is also this question that, and i will begin with julian, why he hasnt released his tax returns. She said his potential lies, clinton, maybe he hasnt paid taxes on his huge income. We know that happened for at least a few years. He paid nothing or close to it, or maybe he isnt as rich as he claims. Gillian heres the dirty secret , and ise u. S. Tax code not just about donald trump. Most big Real Estate Developers do not pay any tax, or only a tiny bit of text tax. Charlie because they have debt . Gillian because they were joking if you end up paying tax, your kind of an idiot because there are so many loopholes that any Real Estate Developer can take advantage of. Is not just business, but it is particularly egregious. Its likely he has paid little tax over his career. Charlie so you think that is the reason hes not really think . Gillian i do. Charlie then why not release it and say everything i did is legal . Gillian he is already said he will fight for every dollar of the american money because that is what he has done with his tax returns. But it is still going to make a lot of people pretty angry when i see just how his tax is paid. Remember mitt romney. When he showed how little tax he was paying it did not do him , good at all. Charlie one thing the American Public likes to know is fairness. This is done by trial. If something is not fair that , offends them. Happy people would like to be rich. But the thing that offends them is a sense that it was stacked against me or it is unfair. Gillian if donald trump cannot not show he has paid tax or charity, it will be hard for him to be seen as behaving fairly. Charlie before you go, the brexit vote. Gillian it is a cliffhanger. 5050 right now. All eyes on thursday. The one thing that can trout out news about donald trump is going to be brexit. Charlie if the people who want to leave our victorious, what will that do for the Global Economy . Gillian many predictions we will end up with a recession. A lot of financial turbulence. If you watch the alarmists it , will be worth my Lehman Brothers collapse. Not with a black monday, which was in the pound collapse, but black friday this week if we have brexit. We have a story saying there will be a huge number of investment for the u. K. If we indeed vote out. Charlie thank you. Thank you, jenna. And my thanks to Susan Glasser. We had trouble getting the picture, then we had trouble getting the picture and the sound, so my apologies to her. I am not sure the problem came from, but we love having her here. Back in a moment. Stay with us. Charlie the orlando shooting has brought the issue of gun control back to the forefront of national debate. The senate voted down four gun Safety Measures a week after a gunman who pledged allegiance to isis killed 49 people. The rejected amendments would forbid people on the terrorism watch list from buying guns. They would also close loopholes in background checks. The Supreme Court declined to hear a challenge to laws in connecticut and new york that ban assault weapons. Joining me now from washington, carl hulse from the New York Times. His story today looked at the hurdles in order to adopt gun control measures. Evan osnos writes for the new yorker. His article, called making a killing looks at the business , and politics of selling guns. I am pleased to have both of them on this program. Let me begin with you, carl . Give me a sense of what has happened so far. What might happen for the rest of the week as well. Carl as you said the senate , voted down these proposals yesterday. It was fairly predictable. Even though everyone in the senate and probably most americans would agree people on terror watch lists shouldnt buy guns, nothing is easy in washington. There is a lot of politics at play here. So democrats voted, republicans voted for theirs, didnt go anywhere. Charlie what happened . Karl it was an embarrassing defeat. Everyone walked out feeling a bit mortified they couldnt do anything. Charlie mortified because they because they have succumb to lobbying . Carl it seems like such a straightforward proposition. If you are on a taylor watch list you shouldnt be able to go in and easily buy a gun. Even the most conservative people say over the weekend we , should be able to get together on this, and they could not. I think that is weighing on peoples minds. Charlie so why couldnt they get together . ,arl because the republicans it is complicated obviously, but the republicans they sort of react to the nra. The nra was against the democratic plans but did support a republican plan. Democrats know that they have an advantage here. They know Public Opinion is on their side. They were trying to push for as much as they could get. There wasnt a lot of talk going on about a compromise. That is where it got left. Charlie that brings up susan collins. Carl correct. So that is the news today. Susan collins has been, she is a centrist from maine, known for trying to get a compromise going. She has been working for days now with both republicans and democrats, including senator heitkamp who has been resistant to gun control measures given her state and the makeup of the voters. And also republicans who include , kelly ayotte who has a tough reelection. They have come up with a plan. Mitch mcconnell says he will give them a vote. We have been hearing thursday, but there is mixed news. It is a compromise between the republican and democrat proposals. And so, they will get another chance to vote on this. It is not sure that proposal can even pass. It will take nearly all of the democrats and up to 20 republicans. The nra has already come out against it today. There is pressure to do something, more than there has been recently. Charlie where do you think the future looks . Carl its going to be close. , chris murphyat said this today, the big guncontrol advocate from connecticut, he sees some movement. Even if this were to pass, its a very small thing. I think there is a sense in washington they need to break this deadlock on gun safety. If they can get anything through the senate, it would be an accomplishment. The house probably wouldnt take take it up. The House Democrats are rallying, if they dont have a big break, if they dont get a summer vote on their own guncontrol. People see movement, but it is glacial. It is so, it is so small. It is such a hard impasse to break. These families keep coming here and pressing for some relief. After their sons, brothers, husbands, daughters, wives are killed, and it is frustrating for them. There does seem to be minuscule progress. Even having a vote seems like, to us who are here all the time an accomplishment. Article, evan, your the killing and business of politics of selling guns you , look at the broader history and context of this. Does anything surprise you about the decision in the congress this week . Evan no. As carl said, what we saw in congress was absolutely no surprise. Its reflection of this broader phenomenon the last few months of work on this piece is made has really made clear. As americans, we have never been further apart more polarized on , the subject of guns than we are now. One gun owner said to me, i have friends who have no guns, and friends with 25 guns, no one in between. The average gun owner has eight guns. We have reached a point where either side finds the other sides point of view absolutely unimaginable. So what we want to do is go back and figure out what is actually , going on . What is at the heart of the gun industry . What is driving this phenomenon . Charlie what did you find out . Evan one of the interesting things, the gun industry is in a unique position. On the day after the events in orlando, this tragic event which after all is a scar on the face of the nation, everybody agrees, the shares of smith wesson, the uses largest u. S. Gun maker, went up even before treating on monday. Something very strange is going on. When one of these Mass Shootings happens, it drives sales of the Gun Companies. It drives sales of guns because people feel more insecure. What you find if you spend time among sort of the literature of guns, if you go to the Nra Convention in louisville last month if you read the books, listen to the speakers, the people who are influential in gun culture today, you will find there is a relentless discussion of the risks posed by things in society, by the idea that government is incapable of protecting you. What they dont often a is the truth is your risk of being killed in a mass shooting is smaller than your risk of being killed by lightning, and yet the risks associated with taking a gun into your life, into your home, radically increase the moment that comes into your house. I met people all over the place who have bought a gun because they feel genuinely unsafe because of isis or Mass Shootings. But the solution they are adopting is in fact not one that Public Health experts say is anything close to making us safer. Charlie there are some who say the opposition of guns is simply opposition by Gun Companies and not by people who are hunters and Second Amendment adherents. Evan there is a pretty strong case to be made that the gun to industry today occupies a kind of political and economic never never land. That is the way i have come to think of it. I will tell you what i mean. There was a law passed in 2005 called the protection of law for lawful commerce in arms act. It is almost unique in american capitalist history. It immunizes Gun Companies against civil liability and use of theiriminal product. All of the normal processes which would steer an industry to change the way it does things in some fundamental way or a small way to prevent guns from getting into the hands who may do harm to public, even those kinds of pressures have been relieved. It is strange because the gun industry says it stands up for the free market, the truest ideals of american commerce and yet it has, in a sense, been protected from all of the normal processes. Take for example, if you take exxon mobil as an example of a case where a company that found itself as a result of the exxon valdez crisis forced to change the ways it did its business. If you transpose those today, where the Biggest National pricing we crises we confront are these kinds of Mass Shootings day in and day out, none of those have any kind of affect on shaping the company s behavior. They can continue to do things exactly as they did the day before. Charlie carl, when you hear bad , and i am sure you knew most of that, what dynamic could change . After newtown, after orlando, because it was the largest mass at longeverybody says last, now. But it passes and we get back to business as normal. Is there some combination of factors, some effort to take on those forces opposed to more effective guncontrol laws . Carl you have to start in one place. That there are republican lawmakers who truly believe that the Second Amendment needs to be sacrosanct and protected against threats. Those folks are not going to join in this effort. What you need to do is convince the people who arent in a position. You have to show them and they have to learn that the nra in some ways, they need to reduce their fear of the nra, that it can take them out. Now Lindsey Graham today said he is part of the collins coalition. He said i am usually with the nra, but im not going to be with them on this. This is common sense. If somebody has to get inconvenienced to prevent a future mass killing, im willing to take the risk. He is from south carolina. He has always owned guns and hunts. If you need to get guncontrol legislation seriously through, a recognition there. The nra, as i am sure evan has reported during his story is a , superpowerful force in washington of almost mythical power. Lawmakers really do not want to cross them. That has happened, evolved over the years. So the nra, they definitely dont want anything to pass that they are opposed to because that is going to show a weakening of their position. You have seen this in other lobbies in the past. Once people see that they can make a move in opposition to you, and you dont pay a huge penalty, then that can build into bigger momentum. But i think peoples mindsets in terms of the politics does have to be changed. It is a huge political weapon. Gun control. Democrats are obviously pretty eager to take advantage of the situation politically themselves. They are really going to go after the vulnerable republicans in the senate on this issue and already are. Theres a lot of politics in so play. You have to get people to set some of that aside. We will see what happens with the collins thing. Charlie the orlando shooting was historic in some respects and commonplace in others. Commonplace in one respect, this was the 130th mass shooting we had had this year. What i think is changing, the idea of moving this out of congress. Congress in so many ways is frozen not just in gun politics but on a whole range of issues. But if you get into the state legislatures, and you can see this on the guncontrol side. Some of these new organizations which have come into being since the sandy hook massacre, they have real money behind them back in part by mayor bloomberg of new york, but other sources of funding. But they have begun to say is were not going to get any help from congress. If we go statebystate, they have really begun to use the gay marriage approach, the model of going statebystate and finding individuals, finding particularly volunteers were who are willing to take this on, that we are going to be will close what has been the greatest obstacle. That is how intense you get. If you are a gun owner, you are fighting to hold onto something that you think is going to be taken away. But if you are somebody who is concerned about gun violence its a more abstract issue. , when there are 140 Mass Shootings in a year between now, between the beginning of the year and orlando, this is no longer an abstract issue. This is direct relevance to voters whether they feel it personally or not, and that has the potential to change the chemistry of the issue on the state level. Charlie i dont want to speak for him, but you have studied this. Michael bloomberg has made the point they are prepared to go where some people who are strong gun supporters at the same time are allied with a portfolio of policy ideas. And they are saying, even though you are with us on these other things, if you are against us on the issue of gun control, we are going to support your opponent. That is the tactic the nra has used in the past. Evan the nra has used it very effectively in the past. They will say we have a 98 success rate when it comes to the candidates that we endorse and the candidates we oppose. Mayor bloomberg has said we are going to begin to do the same thing. If you are not on the side that we are on with guns, we are going to use all of our resources and considerable money to run against you. That is a meaningful threat. There has also been a change in mood among some on the left. The idea of the nra was this insurmountable force, a mythical force as carl rightly put it has , begun to erode. Actually, if you dig into those numbers, the 98 success rate, oftentimes they may be taking races they know they are going to win because that guarantees that they keep their numbers high. Fromf the points user democrats were mobile on this issue the nra is a paper tiger. , maybe not as strong as they think it is. You find deep commitment in a lot of the country, but you are finding a recognition that congress is incapable of moving on this. It was incapable of moving after 20 children and six educators were killed in 2012, hard to imagine what will move the congress today. Charlie let me go to an interview i had last night in washington with, yesterday afternoon, in washington with the vice president. Mr. Biden the reason why they assault weapons and highcaliber weapons are so bad, is because they deliver fatal blows when they strike someone. And if we could just get that across. Charlie why cant you . It has been, i mean some of the , smartest people in the country , with long experience like you have not been able to get it , across. Mr. Biden the reason is, as i is ie opposition will not mention his name, i put together a proposal to the president after newtown, 40 proposals about executive and legislative actions to take. We came very close to getting extended background checks. Etc. I had one senator call me. He said even though my state, 77 agree, there are 200 protesters outside of my office. And so, it is the intensity with which the people who oppose and the funding that comes from the nra and other gun groups that is so well organized. Charlie are you convinced that some will argue, that if someone is intent on doing great violence, they will find a gun. Mr. Biden thats assume that is lets assume that is true. Whether they find guns depends on how much damage they can do. It is of quantum difference. You give me a nine millimeter glock, and you have a 38 revolver. I will kill more people quickly in here. You will shoot as many, but i will kill more. It matters, the weapon and its caliber. And it lethality matters. If they dont have a gun, theyll get a baseball bat. Well, they are not going to kill as many people. If you have multiple rounds and shots,es that hold 19 and you go boom, boom, not automatic, but boom, boom, as opposed to like everybody thinks of the western, the old six shooter. You have got to take it out and work it again. It matters. It matters the amount of carnage that can occur as a consequence of what type of weapon. Charlie evan, this is what you wrote. The greatest questions are not what types of weapons people will be allowed to use in the future but who can use them and why. It, if you think about every time there is a mass shooting, we focus on the instrument at hand. If it was an ar 15, as it was in newtown, people will talk about imposing a federal assault weapons ban. Charlie not only newtown but orlando as well. Evan it was a variant. It was in fact an ar 15, we can get into it, but it was a slightly different done. You can say military style rifle. This kind of technical distinctions is something that, anyway, it becomes kind of a footnote. Charlie but it was not an ar 15 . Evan no. What we can say is what many people agree to study this issue closely is, the next big legal frontier for guns is not going to be whether or not ar15s are going to be on store shelves. It is probably going to be this question of who in fact is entitled to have a gun and how can they carry it . Because two decades ago, it was illegal or strictly controlled in 22 states, the idea you could walk out of your house with a concealed gun. Today, it is now legal in 50 states. The district of columbia versus heller in 2008, the Supreme Court decided, there is an individual right to selfdefense within the home. But they did not say, what happens when you get out of the home . Us, where in left fact can people use guns . Can they bring them on campuses to daycare, to bars, to , churches . There are laws in a range of states that have removed obstacles to that kind of carrying. Conversationa hard about are in fact the public prepared to have guns and all kinds of areas where public life where it had been offlimits . Charlie who uses ar15s, and for what purpose photo evan when you talk to people sport, the gun range, a few for hunting. It is not a good hunting rifle. Some say they use it for home defense in the event someone comes into their house. There is another element here. People worry survivalists who worry about the breakdown of society. They think that is the gun that they need in that moment. There is Something Else going on which is the ar15 has become a political totem. Saying i have an ar 15 or i own it it is a way of saying you subscribe to a set of ideas and that you are fighting against what you consider to be an encroachment on your values and on your political identity. Just today there was a , congressman who posted that he was proposing a series of bills that would make it easier to get a gun and have a gun in washington dc after the orlando massacre. He had posted a picture of himself holding in ar15. He said he had it for 20 years he is a defender of the second , amendment. Has almost become disassociated from what you actually use it for and has become more of a political symbol. Carl it seems to be the gun most often auctioned off at republican fundraisers. You see that a lot. On their fundraising letters, you do see the ar15. I agree with him that it is totemic at this point. Charlie evan, thank you so much. The piece that evan wrote, making a killing, the business and politics of selling guns. And karl hosting, from the New York Times covering this and , many other important issues. Charlie aluf benn is here, he is the editor in chief at haaretz. Anplans to run, he wrote article against netanyahu against him last week. He was replaced by lieberman this year. He wrote the lead essay in Foreign Affairs magazine. In it, he called the end of the old israel, how netanyahu has has transformed the nation. I am always pleased to have him at this table. Welcome. Aluf thank you, charlie. Charlie what has changed . What has Benjamin Netanyahu done israel . Our to or for aluf he has been around for many years in israeli politics. He is first elected 20 years ago. He returned to power seven years ago. It is kind of centerright, very low risk conservative. Most of his energy was focused on lecturing the world against nuclear iran, and in the end, lecturing at just a deal that was reached with iran. Then last year, he won the election in an uphill battle. He won a very decisive victory. Charlie a surprising victory. Aluf according to those working the campaign, even to the Prime Minister. He later tried. He went off to the far right parties and convince them to vote for him. He won decisively. He then had to choose, either building once again a centrist coalition with the labour party. Or, build a more homogenous right Wing Coalition. That was the dream of many people. From his political base, once he takes out the leftists, keep the two state solution and the idea off the table, work towards making israels occupation of the west bank permanent, hope the rest of the world will get used to that because of what is happening in syria and what is happening in america and what is happening in europe. In that process, his dream of many years which was unfulfilled, which was, he called it 20 years ago to replace the elites public , discourse, to stop the defeatist ideas of giving away state, the palestinian once, it appeared achievable. It was built by this right Wing Coalition that is kind of radical government that wants to change the country, to push in what they call new elites, people who were marginalized before. To make, to criticize anyone thinking about democracy or equality for minorities in israel, to treat them as foreign ideas that need to be criticized. Judicial review by the Supreme Court, to show it as an alien concept against the rule of the majority. And so far, day after day you see more and more of that. The country is changing. Charlie we had another politician at the table, and we had an engaging conversation. He straightforward said i am no , longer in favor of a two state solution and a range of other arguments. I thought he comes from the true right of israeli politics. Aluf he is a rightwinger in terms of the peace process. The old right and left divisions which was about the future of the west bank, the future of settlements. On this he belongs to the right. ,true blue all the way. But he has isolated isolated himself because he was also in favor of civil rights of the , rule of law, of independent judiciary. More and more, he found himself to be a representative not of the present day right wing but of the old guard that goes all the way to David Bengurions labour party and where he actually comes from. Charlie does that include multum bacon voter aluf that is interesting. Bagan is an interesting case. He was the founder of the right wing. Being in opposition for so many years, he was 29 years in a position before winning the election in 1977, he had a lot of respect for dissent, for debate for an independent , judiciary. Even more so he did not replace , the Senior Leadership of the Civil Service or the intelligence community. Or the military. He kept them in office. Either because he wanted to legitimize his own rule through the Civil Servants or because he believed in their professionalism and their independence and advice and so on. Many people in the right to the that,criticize bagan for because they say the leftwing has lost the election, but they remain in power through their influence in the academia and the media and the courts and the military. And now netanyahu and his coalition would like to change that. They can not do it overnight. They want to create an atmosphere that would facilitate change much faster than it used to be charlie is there no more. Left in is politics that has any sense of strength or numbers or possibilities . Aluf apparently there is. Charlie the party of marys, the party of aluf the israeli channel one has published a poll showing that the new name of the labour party. Going to if the election were , held today, they would win a single digit number of seats which never happened before. ,charlie right. Aluf the left wing in israel lacks a leader. Charlie they would have less than 10 . Aluf now they have 24. The left in israel, the centerleft, nobody likes them. They lack a leader that would energize the country, the voters , and lacks a narrative. The leader is still point with toying with the idea of joining. Charlie the debate in israel political is about the far right and the right. Aluf it is about the far right and the centerright. It is about democracy. His democracy merely rule of the majority, or does it include judicial review, protection of minorities more equality . Inre is a growing minority numbers but also Political Awareness and demands. Charlie those people who are now in power in the new has,tion that netanyahu they argue for the two state solution, they will be some variation of apartheid . Aluf they argue that whatever is saying they are antisemite or self hating jew or simply ignorant, that somehow the world would get used to that. The palestinians would get used to that. Practically, if we wanted, first hasll, doesnt know who renewed netanyahu has renewed support of the two state solution. I that few people believe them when they say that. They never show any practical moves that would even facilitate it. Any hint of any external idea like the New Friendship initiative, he says is the wrong idea, it should get off the table. Certainly expansion is going on. Now there is a big debate about the soul of the military and the rule of law within the military. Which again the right wing is , against the military leadership which appears to be more conservative. Charlie if you live in america and read american newspapers or live in israel and read american newspapers, they are constantly these fullpage ads that have all these former Israeli Intelligence officers, and they are all saying, look this was , going the wrong way, and we have to stand out. Illicitly represent do they simply represent a minority of individuals or it decided opinion among the National Security people in israel . Aluf a least among the higher echelons. Im not sure if the platoon commanders or just ordinary gis would think that. But more recently we saw what we called the revolt of the generals. Not only alone, but the former Prime Minister in him, he lashed out at netanyahu like no one else has done. He called the government, he warned of budding fascism in the government. He warned of netanyahu during the country off a cliff and losing it and being hijacked by an extreme right minority. Moving, you know leading the , country to disaster. And barack obviously said he was not going to run, but the alternative is not only between the running, it will be the Prime Minister or sitting at home. For the first time, you could see kind of a culture all alternative, counter narrative to the government. Charlie a lot of israeli politics has been built on fear of external forces, whether it is iran or the arab world or whoever it might be. And yet they say there is no existential threat to israel. Aluf the arab spring revolutions and civil war in syria destroyed the potential conventional threat of arab state in israel. Deterrent,me kind of deterrence between israel and lebanon. Thefferent way, hamas more recent terrorist attacks we saw in israel were done by individuals with no organization. People, you know carried knives , and tried to attack soldiers at checkpoints. The most recent was a shooting attack by a couple of terrorists who used makeshift guns. Even they were not affiliated or as far as we know led by any charlie lone wolf killers. Aluf in this case, it was two wolves, but it was kind of improvised. Clearly, these attacks that have been going on for several months now put the government to a test because the right wing government is supposedly supposed to scare off the terrorists and it couldnt. ,so yeah, in a way, i believe that netanyahu was trying to make them into the scapegoat of that. Charlie the article you have written is called the struggle for israel. How will that play itself out . I mean who is likely to win . Be theat will determining factor . Aluf the test of the political system in israel, by the way, not only on the left side, on the right side, there is no chris clear and visible alternative. Lieberman and bennett lead small parties. They dont appeal to the wider audience. To build a narrative and to find a new leader that would turn back the country into a more peaceful, more engaging relationship with the rest of the world, and rebuild democracy from within. Charlie does herod have influence voter aluf we hope so. We are the voice of liberals in israel. We were alone for most of the past year. But now we see there is more people raising that flag of to theseup replacements and demolishing democracy, idea of the coalitions. Mark im mark crumpton. You are watching bloomberg west. Lets begin with a check of your first word news. Donald trump and Hillary Clinton stepped up their verbal attacks today. 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