Itt i that he offered and such simplicity that, it at the end, was just important for me to acknowledge the ways that i had been ungenerous toward him regarding his Mental Illness and the fact that he had stopped working and that that had created a strange mens and a family and estrangement in the family. Charlie he is the author of five novels including his breakout debut. After three decades of writing novels, he has written a memoir about his family. It is called barefoot to avalon. It is a searing account of his complicated relationship with his brother and father. The newer times causing a brave book with beautiful sentences on every page. The San Francisco chronicle says that barefoot to avalon is a book that is as much of anything you study and the power of exhaustible candor. The dense, say that sprawling sentences may demand patients, but they illuminate a riveting Family History and as complex questions about social prestige, Mental Health and the ties that bind. It has been called one of the most powerful and penetrating , fiercelyer read honest, deeply engaging, natalie heartbreaking. James kaplan calls an analogy to a brother. A dream of a memoir, a blazing map of familiar love and loss. Gorgeously written. Not since a previous debut novel, has there been a more eloquence, courageous depiction of the tentacles of madness and ambivalent love for a father dragging down a southern family, even as it tries to rise. And they say that he has the makings of a Young Charles dickens, a consummate storyteller in love with language and all of the variations of lights, people, and a probable situations. Atlantic monthly calls it earnest and unflinching. Defining the relationship and their lives. They say a prince as brightly as any writer of his generation. For all of that, it is a remarkable book. An interesting time to think about family place to welcome david payne to this table. For the first time. David thank you. An honor to be here. Charlie a powerful story. Of your brother and your father and your mother. And your granddaughter. All of them, i knew. Why did you write a . Brother, it was such a poignant and difficult story, hadend of his life, he bipolar one disorder. And he had lived at home with our mother for nine years. ,e and i had become estranged there was difficulty in the family. Pressure inunder terms of my career. And i needed help moving home from vermont to North Carolina. After all of these years of i was speaking to my mother and she said, why are you ask your brother to come and help you . And i called, not an hour later, the phone rang and it was my brother calling to offer his hell. His help. He can to vermont and during the move he died on the highway. In an accident. Helping me move. Charlie you sought in the rearview mere . David i sought in the rearview mere. Charlie the book begins a couple of days before that. What is it that you are telling us . It is not just his story, it is your story. The story of a southern family. The story of memories. The story of coming to grips with flaws, dreams, david it is about how we lost each other as a family. It is about how the long history of Mental Illness and alcoholism and all sorts of difficulties played through multiple generations of our family and finally, in this last moment, we were able to reconcile and have time before i lost my brother. Charlie remind me of the conversation between you said, as our member, he said it is ok, david. Towardthere is a passage the end where my brother, i was saying good night, we were getting ready to leave the house. In vermont where i lived. Window ofn the side the Ford Explorer that he was driving and i said, ready . And he said, whenever you are. Glowingat the winston on his thigh, and will Say Something about my pristine ashtray, thanks george, i choose instead. It is no big deal. No seriously, i say, i cannot of done this without you, you are a good brother. These are words he is not heard from me in quite some time. Contemplates them for a beach and then he raises the winston to his lips, it is ok, david, he says. Thatruth is i do not make much of it at the time, it is hours later that we are meant to start and im dirty, stressed and tired and on the verge of leaving everything ive taken as my life. I simply squeeze his shoulder, turn away and whistle. Off, downhill, only later did that nag me that he did not say, you are a good brother, too, or you have helped me in the past and so i hope you or any of the other countless things that he might have said. Is ok, says is, it david, not resentfully but like somebody at the end of a long contest who has been on the receiving end of something and is ready to forgive it. You have clear and precise and pinchrun penetrating analysis of yourself. And what you think of as your failure. David the only way that i felt that i could fairly and honestly tell the story was to be harder on myself than on at least a myself as anyone else. Brother,hat with my his generosity and the fact that i had, that i needed something from him, and that he offered andwith such simplicity that its at the end, was just important for me to a knowledge of the ways that i had been ungenerous toward him. Regarding his Mental Illness and the fact that he had stopped working, and that that had created estrangement in the family and that i had resented that. And he lived with his mother. Our mother. Charlie the denial you to do this. This book. David did not want me to do this book, thats right. Thatther and i, she said very early in the writing she said, i think for you to write this book is exploitative. And i did not speak about the book for almost two years, and then when i showed her the final draft, she wrote me a very, very beautiful notes that said, i finally have come to writtennd that you have with your most authentic self and it is not exploitive of your brother and she gave me her blessing. Before she died. Charlie Pay Attention to the title and the book story. This is a picture of your brother. Barefoot tos avalon, a brother story. That describes a daily race. David avalon or on the outer banks in North Carolina, when he was 16 years old, he wanted to play football and woodbury forest, a boarding school and i was a runner in those days. So every morning we would get up and we would do a four mile run, two miles down to avalon. , two miles back. And in the third mile, i would always leave him behind and leave him to make his own way in the final mile. The very last week of summer, when i made my cake at the end, he kicked up beside me and we were in this grueling sort of hell of a race and he pulled away and beat me on that particular day. He went back to boarding school, he got a starting job on the team, and toward the end of that season, we got the call from the doctor telling us about his first psychotic breakdown with bipolar one disorder. Charlie what was the breakdown . David he was out on the football field, he basically became catatonic. They called the coach, the coach called my mother. She came, to virginia to pick him up. My brother kept in the hotel room, kept going to the window and thinking that he saw our father, our dad, in the parking lot where he actually was not. And so, that was the first break. Charlie i think on page 76, you talk about the cover photo. What is powerful about this book is your language. David and the photo you can tell that the boy is an athlete of some kind, 67 inches, 215 pounds, he is lean wasted, brought across the shoulders and the chest. More man than boy. But there is still a spindly, cold dish something in his legs that mark them at the triple point. I sat my brother was the best looking boy i ever knew. Among the best looking i ever saw. As i studied this old photo, i think perhaps it is in part when im searching for, with the cleancut, allamerican boys on lawns and beaches. Posing for the camera with their girls and cars. Before they went away to world war ii. Extensively confidence like theirs, but a little further back, i see something that has prepared for disappointment and it strikes me that george, this day in 1975, is going off to war, and inward were that is no less real, it will last 25 long years and the rest of his short life. And george will not return from it. This picture is the last glance i will ever have of him, which i guess is why i kept it and put it out in every place i ever lived in. Here is to looking at you, he is saying with that grin and little squints. This one is for you. My reply in kind, enjoy it while it lasts. Audeui. Charlie what you mean . David enjoy life for you have it, it will not be that long. Charlie help us understand the relationship. It was obviously influenced by her parents. Influenced by the lives that you have had and the dreams that you have had. Because it is so powerful, how would you characterize the . There was a sibling competition that went on between us from the early, early days football was art of the thing that we had competition over. Notim afraid that i did heays understand when first developed bipolar disorder we do not really understand what it was, we thought it was we can understand that it was a form of Mental Illness, we thought it was perhaps some kind of malingering. We had different ways of this longn 1975, so it was a journey for us to try to understand exactly what it was that was wrong with my brother. I think that during part of that, i judged him for things that were not true of his condition. And so, that is why i hold myself accountable for. Informed you when you set out on this journey to write this book echoed book . You had written five novels. You are a student of literature. You wanted to be a poet in the beginning. You turn to novels. David i think that each one of my books had felt as if it moved fictionnd closer from toward the Boundary Line of nonfiction. And each one got closer and closer to the truth of my life and my family. And i realize that what i was trying to get at, was, who am i . Who is my family . For my people . Who do i come from . How did we come to be the we are . How did i come to be the person that i am . Charlie did you answer all those questions . Them, i cant say that i answered all of them. But i answered them, as many of them, as i could. I think that in order to answer them, i had to be honest in a different way than i had been in fiction. Say, to is it simply to those who know you, and those in your family, and those who lived within a family, that this is one mans account of life inside a family . A story that so many times in the Life Experience is that families that deal with conflict, dreams, memories. Tragedies. Alcohol. Infidelity. All of those things that make up the fabric of 70 families. David i think so many of those ourselves, we weave stories of happiness and and ease, and often times i think we leave out the dark truth at the base of our family stories. And so, i think i wanted to try at least in my case, to tell the truth, a little bit more aggressively than i had done. Charlie because of what . Because that is a writers responsibility . David because i think what a writer is supposed to do is to ask, what is the human condition, and what is the deepest account that we can give of our presence here . It, and toabout whitewash it. Darkness and the difficulty and the conflict and the competition as well. That had never been spoken in our family. And i thought that it needed to be. Explosive and powerful conflicts and exchanges with spring be to your father. Who i knew, as well. Your father was tall and handsome. He married the most beautiful young woman in town. And to know that, and think, my god, they have everything. They are going to be fantastic. That is what a young boy growing up in a small town, me, said. David so it appeared. Charlie behind the walls and the doors of the house, david behind the walls and the doors of the house, my mother, an 18yearold, young girl who wanted to escape her family got 18,nant and married, at narrator boy who did not want to marry her. So that put him in a position so that somewhere at the heart of our family, from the very beginning, there was a sense of resentment, a sense of something being extracted from my father that i think you never forget it, and people looked at them and saw the perfect exterior and the beautiful girl. But something had been extracted from my father. Charlie he had to become in a dont earlier than he mightve wanted to. He had to get married and all of the response abilities of that. He was not ready for it. It is not a reflection on her, it is a reflection on him. David i think that is an older way of looking at it. But we have different opinions. Charlie you tell me, im asking. That my dont think father necessarily at 20 years old, for him to be trapped into a life that he did not come consent to live, to be trapped into that life, and to be forced by social pressures to have to take on that life, and to burden himself to the end of his days was a reasonable, ethical obligation to demand of my father. Even though, had he said no, i would not be here. Charlie what did it do to his life . He is a central character in this. David i think my father became a kind of wanderer. Because he did not, he did not ethical obligation to take on this family. And so, he left the family, he abandoned the family, and he became like a wanderer. He was like the ancient mariner. Night to lance, Strange Powers of speech. My father was a dark and tragic a verybut he was also talented, a great raconteur, probably part of what your member about him. Something that i said about my family, which is that, rather than people choosing to affirm their relationships to each other in love, they chose to extract something from the other person that the other person was unwilling to give and that was at the center of our family and that was at the center of what went wrong in our family. Charlie theres a passage on page 66 that i would love for you to read. This is where he is reading to you. David my father says, do you know what i read you this . No, sir. I stand there with the pressure they lungs and chest, scent, knowing to a dead certainty that im going to fail the test. What do you think it means, david, to measure out your life with coffee spoons . A moment passes, now a second, and suddenly it is as if a draft walkthrough, blowing all of the , he sees windows open me get in his eyes, they burn. Measure out your life in gallons , bushels, hogsheads, do not be dissuaded by the woman or the women on the sofas, even as she is your pregnant girlfriend or your wife or mother and you love her. Ask your overwhelming question and do not let anybody stop you, god speed, god dam you, go and may you have the victory i thought i would have that stepped aside to give you. This is your fate, written in the manifest, not in ink, but in the blood of our parental sacrifice. Charlie and when you heard him say that . David i think my father was telling me some part of my life got taken away from me, dont let yours be taken, go live the biggest life that you can possibly live, and dont measure it out in coffees and. Measure it out in something bigger. And that is why i wanted to write this book. To speak as much of it as i possibly could. Charlie there was huge rage in him . David there was. Charlie and it was impressed to you and your brother. David it was. Charlie theres a moment where you are thinking about your own relationship with euros on and you are talking to him. That he does want to eat something. David i see myself repeating the same abusive actions toward my young son that my father repeated toward me, and i say to myself, this cant continue any longer. The same thing that i swore that i would not repeat, i have repeated and that really is the beginning of the book, here, i sign my name and blood, upon this contract with my children in the future. Charlie what is it about your life that we should know . That is reflected here . My suspicion, though i dont know, my suspicion is that my life is not very much different from most other peoples lives. I think that other families have these same issues of Mental Illness and strife, and difficulty. And love. And gratitude. It is just that we do not charlie theres not some but within the families can write a book like this that gives expression. To give expressions of that everybody can feel. Feel. David i hope that that is true. I hope that i have done that. By the critics, it is clear that you have done that. The question is also, what you hope it accomplishes other than glass a huge magnifying to you and your brother and your and the brilliant point to your raised about own self be true. It is your life and you have to define your side your life. Nobody else can define your life. David what i wanted to do was here, andile i was while i contemplated my life as a man, this is what i experienced, this is where i lived. And i believe that is my fundamental testimony as a writer, just as your fundamental testimony is what you do when you sit here every night and give back to the world what you give to the world. This is my experiences, what is in this book. Charlie has writing this book changed you . David i think i changed in the course of writing the book. I would not say that writing the book itself changed me. I think probably the close to eight years of therapy that i spent during the course of writing the book, probably changed. Charlie your been through divorce. David i have been. Charlie are you in a good place in your life now . Havingput this down, dealt with it, having given expression to it, david it is like having dropped a weight. I was saying to someone earlier tonight, i was describing the scene with my yell at my i had to son is a way my father had yelled at me, and i remembered leaving a cub scout banquet with my son when he was 10 years old and one of the boys at the banquet was cutting up and knocking people caps off, and my sense of me, what is the matter with that kid, dad . What is his problem . And i said, i dont know, i suspect theres some going on at home, dont you . And he looked to me and said, i used to be mad like that, deny . And i realize that in the course of writing this, the whole thing had changed. The conflict and resentments and the forces forced me to deal with to write the book, they had passed away. Charlie your father committed suicide. David he did. Charlie how hard was that . Coming. Never saw it it was deeply sad. I never saw my father committing suicide that way. I dont know what to say about it even to this day. Had beene estranged for two and a half years, i had not really talk to him, so i dont know the specifics. Charlie estranged of . Of hisestranged because abandonment of me and my childhood. Because of the it had been many years since my father and i had been close. So we do not really talk that much. So, i did not know what particular circumstances were at the time of his suicide. Charlie your mother was close to your father . David she was. She was. Mother died, i believe i told you, on february 10 of this year. She has stage four lung cancer. She spent five months living at home with me in hillsboro, and in the last month, as well, so that was a difficult passage, but it was a wonderful thing to have that final time together. Charlie what do you think of all these people saying all of these amazing and wonderful things, comparing you to everybody from dickens to others . A writer, that is what you wanted to be. Not be, but do. Life is about david with all of the estrangement with my father, my father was the one who said, dont measure out your life and coffee spoons, and he was the one who read me prufrock and said, live the biggest life that you can possibly live and i think that that is what i set out to do, and i think some part of him, because he did not get a chance to do it, i think you wanted to free me and my other brothers, as well, to have a chance to do that. And so, it has been my ambition 15 years old or 16 years old. Charlie you ever asked yourself, what would georges life had been if he had not been living with bipolar disorder . David i think he had a pretty gams good life. Think he married, he was a successful stockbroker. He loved his wife. And then, things crash for him in the last nine years of his life. So, i think charlie mid 30s. David thats right. And that is way too early for that to happen. But he had a taste of sweetness. In his life. He had a taste of it. Charlie and your mother . David she was left by many, we had her Memorial Service not theo, and she was a rock of our family. She was the rock and the lioness. I think that she had a lot of her fathers strength, and i remember in your father, i remember those men. They were quite a special breed. Your father was very special to me. When i was writing my third novel, i did extensive interviews with him, and he gave me fabulous notes on the Tobacco Industry in North Carolina at a time long before i was alive. Charlie he once walked with me through a family cemetery. And he could tell a story. As everybody. He could tell you everything about them. Extraordinary, talented memory. David i was glad that i could go back and interview those men, men like your father and my thedfather and capture what socially those of that time was like. Because it is so different now. Charlie i want you to do something that will be hard for you, i assume, although you have been asked to do before. Page 141. David was george already psychotic when he called me at my dorm at avery at unc . Had he looked down and seen the white caps on the ocean far below him . The weibo, our father, fell in boston and kept falling through atlanta. Where he had no job, no money, nobody to lean on, and a list pending on his property. Down and down until he landed in those washouts in shenandoah, up there with his father and his fathers people come from. The same place where george and 2000, the november 8, first exit outside of lexington. When i looked down at my feet, and see by magic, black and terrible, the zip disk line checked and spattered in the blight upongeorges it, and i gaze up at the sky and say, please god, do not make me carry this, still make me be responsible, let my brother be alive, i require it of you. I compel you because if he is not, and if im responsible, and the universe is intolerable and i return my tidbit. That the sky was empty and return no answer and here i am Still Holding and george is gone and i still miss him as i sit wondering who i am and who we were and how different we were from other families and their stories. Outside of the bell curve, out of hailing distance altogether. We are only as fingerprints and snowflakes each unique, but from the middle distance, more or less the same as every other. Is calledhe book barefoot to avalon, a brother story. David payne, thank you for coming. 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Miles davis is one of the most celebrated jazz musicians of all time. Don cheadle stars as him in the new film that is called miles ahead. In marxist directorial and screenwriting debut. Hollywood reporter calls the film and adventurous music saturated depiction of one of the genres undisputed greats. Here is the trailer for miles ahead. [applause] [indiscernible] davis, im from rolling stone. Im here to hear comeback story. You have new material. My material, my session tapes. You have a contract year. We actually on that tape. You own, how much money do you have . Ok, 19,000. But that is a start. [indiscernible] your black . Its all about improvisation. I need you. I love you. Call him right now until youre coming over. I can take it over there, they will kill me. If you dont do what i say, i will kill you. A long time to be able to play like yourself. I gave up everything for you. I deserve better than this. Hold it, buddy. Youre looking at it. Off . Trying to kiss me [indiscernible] go, go, go. This is madness, im not dying over this. Down college as man, that is a made up word. It is social music. Charlie i am pleased to have don cheadle back at this table. Good to see you. That is really something. Don thank you. Charlie as i said before, i do chance youre a series of interviews with him and i could just hear him again. Its just the way that he talked and the way i sent him once what is it about your music and he said, the sounds. Amazing. It in soso much of it, many different genres. Some a different iterations of him he was. Keeps reinventing himself over and over. Charlie what was your introduction to miles davis . Don really early in my life. I started playing saxophone when i was 10 years old in Elementary School and i played alto. So i was trying to find this alto players that i wanted to try to emulate and of course charlie parker. Cannibal adams to play with mouse was another hero of mine. I would run home and listen to solos and try to it was a time when records had three speeds, 45 78. I would let the record on and you could put it on 78 and it would actually play it almost an octave lower so i could hear what was happening in the solos. I was a kid that would run home and try to write the solos out and figure it out. Charlie like diagramming sentences. Don like oh, that is what he was doing. That is how he moved around that. I was learning what was going on. Charlie that is the introduction. When did you say, im going to make a movie . Don it was something that kind of came down. I told the story billion times. 2006, miles davis was inducted into the rock n roll hall of fame and they were interviewing events welborn, his nephew, who plays the drums with him. And they said, are you going to do movie about his life . And he said yes, and on she will play him. Andhe made a proclamation then they called me and i met with the family and they had been trying to do a movie that predated me, 20 years. About his life, at least 20 years. They try to centered around different storylines. What they pitch to me was all wast, but it kind of closely related to a lot of these movies that we have seen before, a lot of biopics, and a similar fraction. I say, i dont want to do that with this person. Obvious that, with this artist. He was all of the innovation and changing it, and not doing what came before. I wanted to do something that i thought was more daring and impressionistic, and wild. I think we got off on the wrong foot. I need a little background. In ald write some magazine, but i would rather hear it in your own words. [indiscernible] i was born [indiscernible] charlie how would you define his spirit . Don restless. Charlie don indefatigable, never stopping, always searching. Before he died, he was working with prince. So, i can only imagine what he would be doing today if he was alive. Here probably be working with kendrick lamar. Charlie you think you would be connected with those guys and have hiphop and rap. Don he was always turned down the vanguard of all of the sounds that were happening. He did not want to do what he had done years before. When you hear the music, it is great because we can hear a lot of the outtakes now, and theyre not trying to cut things off and make them pristine. They let you hear the outtakes in the beginning and the engineer in the booth. And you hear miles play these beautiful ballads and the last note is kind of ringing. And on the drum set, and he says plant it that, immediately, no reverie, no language. It was not just beautiful, he says play the next on, lets go. Charlie there are so many things that he is attributed with, you play with his back to the audience. What was that about . Don miles and always say, does the conductor face the audience when he contacts the orchestra . Im conducting. Im directing my band. I am trying to get something out of them. And like he said, miles paid into practice in front of people. Forhe was always searching something and then still me that he would walk around the stage a lot of times trying to hear acoustics, different places where the sound would come back to him, and was always putting his fingers to his years in trying to hear different sounds. He was always searching for, and also, it was miles. Charlie what is the dark side of his life . Don its welldocumented, there is a lot of it, he dont with addiction. He dealt with abuse. He dealt with racism. Wasbeing in places where he challenged, clearly challenged by the powers that be around him. This is somebody who defined himself over and over again, and really tried to push back at that. But he was dealing with america at that time, with music that was looked at as being for junkies, negro music. He was always kind of trying to fight out of the boxes that people are trained to put him into. Charlie he loved boxing. Don he absently loved boxing. He approached music like boxing. We would talk about the way he attacked notes like a boxer. And where the power came from and where the breath came from. Charlie take a look at this year. This is when you and mcgregor is trying to get miles to talk about his life. This may be the scene that was in the trailer, but here it is, anyway. So, you study piano, to . No, just woke up black, new how to play. Your black . Is it cool . Love chopin. Oliver play at the house, classical music. Chopin. [indiscernible] broke down their compositions. Revolutionaries. Innovators. Pushing. Chopin thought about improvisation. That on stage every night, onthefly. And write it down. It just came out of him. I wanted to quit every night. You know, old people come up to me and they say, why dont you play like you used to . I say, tell me how i used to . It takes a long time to be able to play like yourself. There is nothing like you used to. If you dont live on there is dead music, you know. Just dead. Charlie you were good. Well talk about francis davis. Don love of his life. Charlie use flashbacks . Don and hopefully in a way that does not feel like we are stopping the movie to go back and collect something and come back in time. All of those moments, we felt that they were reverie and dreams and just really something that he used to move forward even though he never looked back, you obviously do. She was the love of his life, they both kind of describe her as the one that got away. She is definitely one that he had the most about not being able to work it out with her. Charlie take a look at this, roll the tape, this is meeting with francis taylor. [indiscernible] thank you. Sure thing. See you later. High. I miles davis. I know. Francis taylor. This is my phone number. Now you dont have to stare. [laughter] goodbye. By. Charlie he had style, didnt he . [laughter] charlie what was the hardest part . You talk to me during a break about distress of doing this. Acting. Music. Directing. Writing. Don it was a lot. Ago iing that a few years was trying to find another director actually to take that part of it on. Everyone that i talked to after a kind of pitch the idea and shown the script they said, this is yours. What i direct this, this is your vision. You have to director on vision. Charlie i want to make it to the end of it. Don but ultimately, it was the only way that we were going to get it made. Was if i were all of those hats, so i did it. Charlie how did he view his life . Did he believe that he had shown the world his talent, that he had been able to be what he was born to be . Don thats a good question. I dont know. And it would probably depend on the day that you asked him. I know that he never rested on his laurels. I dont think that he ever felt as if the work was done, and that he did not have Something Else and something more that he wanted to bring forward, so, it was just a constant search. , someonee was clearly is born to do something. He fulfilled his role. In this life. And gave rise to so many musical styles and so many people that play with miles went on to be leaders in their own right and create a whole different library of music that we look at, he is the root of this huge tree that just the limbs go on forever. Charlie what did he think of . Don its so funny because you read about it and people are always talking about it as being the ultimate, nation of his mastery. And he said the record is cool, but not really the sound i was going for. And you say, what he made it wasnt a fan you are going for . [laughter] don he said he was tried to capture the sound that he is to go when he was walking home and he would hear choirs in these little churches all along the roadside, back in the woods, and he also said that he was trying to do something that reminded him of african Columbus Colin buzz, and a sound that they had in the head, and a couple of days they cut out the minute was cool. I liked it, but it was not what he was trying to do. Charlie are you still doing how supplies . Don we just finished our fifth season. We went to cuba. Charlie i know. I was just in cuba, too. And they still talk about you being there. Don we had a great time. We do not tear down the city too much. We had a really good time. Charlie they still talk about it. Cbs this morning went down and did a piece about shooting. How was the . Don it was amazing. This land sort of stopped in time as far as we understand what time means. The people were just very open and very welcoming and warm. You know that they need an infusion of something. We dont need to go supplant their culture and try to imprint our whole thing on there. Charlie give them an opportunity. To be all that they can be. Don absolutely. Charlie without losing any of their soul. Don exactly. Charlie exactly. Finally, this is a flashback of miles leading a recording session, i want to see this to simply because it is also about his genius. Here it is. That is in the forte. Coming in. Thats it, i want him to hit it. Oh yeah, man. Are you guys listening to him . Hold that over. Lets do it. Thanks, man. Record this. All right, take three. Be strong. Lets go. 1, 2, 1, two. Charlie miles davis. I should also take note of fact that you are still in the marvel cinematic universe as they say. Don yes. Charlie they call you up. [laughter] charlie thank you. Don thank you, charlie. Charlie thank you for joining us, see you next time. Im al hunt. And im mark halperin. Let me give an answer for the american people. Who cares . Who cares what donald is tweeting late at night . Mark hello from wisconsin. Hillary Clintons Campaign is playing chances in the primary year. Dont tell that to Hillary Clinton herself. Speaking tonight at madison, later in the walking, and spending a couple days here at least this week. Al hunt joins me