Ammunition. We knowegin with what that is new. Update us on what has happened in the last 18 hours. The big news this morning is that facebook posting and which the young mother pledged allegiance to isis. That is important because it draws a distinction that this inspired. Been isis federal officials are not saying directed, andis that is an important distinction. The couple had deleted some of their Online Presence prior to the attack. That indicates that this was premeditated. Big arsenal of weapons and ammunition they had at their home also indicates that it was premeditated. Charlie some people are asking did they have a series of attacks they wanted to make and then something happened at the work party, and therefore they to pursue that and later go on to do other attacks. About theirthinking planning . That is an open question. They certainly had the ammunition to carry out multiple attacks and have the atrocities be much worse had they been able to continue carrying them out. That is the fear. We still dont know if they were planning perhaps the Holiday Party was the Tipping Point for the shooting. Week just dont know yet. Charlie do we know whether he was radicalized certainly, by his wife, but also when he went to saudi arabia . He went to saudi arabia to pick her up after they met on an Online Dating site. We know the fbi did not have him on a terror watch list. They had no record of him. ,hey had not interviewed him but he had contact, we believe, with people who were on that list. It still too early to draw any conclusions about what that means, but he may have had contact with them. Abouts the concern homegrown terrorism. Isis has been concerned with americans carry out ofacks in america instead traveling to syria to join the fight over there. The threat of isis attacks at home, the fear of that is growing with every new piece of information we have learned today. Charlie what exactly did she say on facebook . I have not seen the facebook post. It was deleted. That is why the media did not the attack. R to the couple had deleted their media presence. I dont have the actual wording. I dont know anybody does at this point. Charlie have authorities released information about anyone who may have noticed their growing radicalization . Not that i am aware of. Did hear from someone at the mosque that mr. Farook attended. He was described as someone who was quiet, devoted to his faith. He went to the mosque twice a day every day. We are learning more about that. We are learning more about his childhood. He was born in illinois. He grew up in southern california. His father was known to be prone to alcohol abuse and physical abuse. We are learning more about the childhood. That is what we have so far. Charlie and what do we know about when they took their child to the grandmother the mother the grandmother of the child . Dont know that we know a lot more about that. Yesterday when the police chief in San Bernardino was talking about how he didnt know where the child was at the moment, the family is cooperating with lawenforcement. They did retain a lawyer. I would think we would be hearing perhaps more from them soon. But we dont know where that child is right now, just that it got dropped off with the grandmother and is perhaps still with her. Charlie good to see you. Thank you so much. Back in a moment. Charlie cartoons make the strange familiar or the familiar strange. So says the new yorker cartoon editor in a new documentary. The film takes a look at the magazines famous Cartoon Department. The guardian called it voking, thought thoughtprovoking, insightful, and very funny. Here is a look. People say its true. What it wants is a grain of truth. By opening this thing up. Craigs. People hate mimes. Mimes. People hate mimes. A lot of jokes you get in our lampooning the sort of person who rates the new yorker. Its a society that takes itself its beggingy, so for it. I like the idea, but not this idea, necessarily. Charlie joining us are the stars of the documentary, the and the newditor yorker cartoonist. Have you seen the movie . Do you like the movie . I love it. Did a fantastic job. She started showing up at our office with funding from , and i thought student production, but what the hell, lets be nice. The end result is this amazing, touching, hold area spanning hilarious thing. Charlie how did you do it . It took a long time. I said hey, bob, i just graduated from new York Film School and i want to make a film about the Cartoon Department. For you. E been waiting come back in 10 years. Hello, makeup . Craigs he said who do you think you are that you can waltz in here out of film school and make a film about our car Team DepartmentCartoon Department . The caption contest was her entree in. , over thened is years, i think she got to know the new yorker and new yorker cartoonists as well as anybody. The cast of characters is kind of interesting. A documentary. Or yes, all of these different spirits, intelligences, and radically different personalities. And looks. We are not about looks here at the new yorker. [laughter] a senior generation that has been around for a while, and then this younger bob and i have been working really hard to bring in, because its a very hard thing to rotate who is there. He will he get a few shots a week. Everybody wants to you only get a few shots a week. Everybody wants to be in, naturally. Cast of cartoonists, some have been around for a while. Some have just waltzed in. It is astonishing. Why, why . Just keep watching the movie. Go toe did you have to his office and say guess what . They want to make a movie about us. In different languages. The new yorker opened up at one time to a lot of these. Hings i think we had a really interesting story to tell. I think its the only place that that has an intergenerational range of people in their 80s and people in their 20s, and people in every single decade. Of that type of diversity, its very unusual. What story did you want to tell . That was part of the problem. There were so many stories i could tell. It doesnt have an inherent plot. I am focusing on the institution. Am i focusing on the personalities of the cartoonists . Started meeting the cartoonists, i realized i wanted to tell the story about how this art form has persisted for generations and why there are 20yearolds who want to be part of this. There is Something Special about minds worktoonists and how they help those of us who are lovers of the cartoons see the world in a different way. The only place left they can publish their work is the new yorker. That is a tough thing. Ago, there were a whole lot of magazines the published cartoons. If your cartoon was rejected by the saturday evening post, he would take it somewhere else and be able to make your way. Responsibility to this form we value so much. There are political cartoons of but this kind, particular form is really the new yorkers. Charlie does it include the cover . The cover is a different operation. Language is not involved. The cover has an editor who is working mainly with a different set of artists. There is some overlap. There you dont have a caption. There is something so touching in the film where i think they are talking about all different , telecasters,s and scott alighting guys. For this, all you need is a pencil. S and all of the lighting guys. For this, you need a pencil. Why did you want to be a cartoonist . My father brought home some books of edward gorey and gain wilson and i remember saying to myself whatever this is, i want this. They did not take the new yorker, but they brought home books now and again. From five on you wanted to be a cartoonist. It was nice. I had my path already laid out for me. [laughter] the long road. [laughter] we have a cartoonist who quit being a doctor to be a cartoonist. Charlie can you imagine . You could have been what . You did your residency . Charlie four years of medical school, two years as an internist, four ofive years as a resident. And he made the right decision. Lets talk a little bit about the list because leah worked very hard on this. First is the origin of cartoons. The new yorker began as a comic weekly. The cartoons or the drawings, rightere called, that was there from the very first issue in february. 19 to five. Every, 1925. February, 1925. They were to provide delight and a spirit of the magazi. Charlie is this a solitary decision as to what goes in the magazine . Do you make this decision and say i have 15 slots, show me your best 30 . Bob will say yes, but the answer is no. Emily and a lot of other will typically send in five, 10 or more what is called rough drawings. They will send them in any way, email, fax, envelope. Callob and his assistants through hundreds of roughs and get 50 or more. Then we meet on a wednesday and get 15. Sense to make a sure we are getting enough diverse topics, that we are getting a lot of voices in. Do we have too many us so in oak, not enough of so and so . So and so, not enough of so and so . And we want to make sure that the new yorker in the future that isnt there now happens. We have a lot of everybody writing for the new yorker, people of color and all the rest. That cartoonists are a very small bunch of people. We need to make the group more diverse. Bob has a program to do so. Very important. That is obviously not the subject of a typical weekly meeting, but its something we are working on. Cartoonists can do what that other forms of media cannot do . They can move quickly. They are not going to pile up on somebodys nightstand. Thet immediately makes point and brings together these different frames of reference. Ofcan deal with all sorts things. Right after 9 11, it was even able to do all of that. Everyone said iron he is dead and we are not going to laugh anymore. Cartoon of a man looking at a guy with a gerrish jacket and saying i thought it would never laugh again until i saw that jacket. They are not shouts in the room. They are not stand up. They are a unique form. Films say youthe need a certain type of mind to and make iten, happen 10 or 15 times a week because we do it every week. That is what we are selecting from. Charlie here is an open pitch meeting for cartoons. This is a picasso joke. My eyes are over here. Weight i haveuch room for a summer intern. They are sumo wrestlers. So crazy. A little cat . In a suit. You have seen everything. Charlie did you know you would ,ind so much humor, so much fun so many people having a very good time . Knew right away. I saw how much fun they had together. I think what i was surprised about was all the rest, how much they are using humor to cope with the rest of what is going on in their lives. Charlie cartoonists or other people . Peopleoonists and the who read the cartoons. That is what i ended up making a film about is the way we use humor to cope. Will the tax about that. Why do you become a cartoon it well, he talks about that. Why do you, cartoonist question markets because you see the world differently. Well maybe the world has treated you a little bit differently. Me too,ld have teased if i had been in a position to do such a thing. I think getting teased as a kid is almost a prerequisite for a cartoonist. You have to look at the world a little bit differently, and there is no reason to do it unless you are forced to. You need that struggle. There is the story of you, leah, you are right out of film school. You want to make a film. To go to the funding you went to, the confidence you must have had to do this. Other people get out of film a job to learn the craft. Leah i had a job. When you are an independent filmmaker, you are doing so many things and pursuing your passion project. You go to hbo first . To pitchcourse i try the idea. The idea sells itself. Didnt they all say lets make it so that you didnt have to go to kick starter . Leah i dont know. What was the toughest part for you . Leah how much my life changed as i was take the making the movie. That chapterng, in my life. I had two kids over the course of making the film. As aing to stay present mom and a filmmaker. I was working on the film after they went to bed at night, in between nannies and schools. That was the most challenging part was trying to incorporate my life and be an independent filmmaker. The film is very funny thanks to the cartoonists and bob and lee is, but it is also very human. Eye, but it is also very human. All of these people are going through something. Bob had a big loss in his family that happened while this film was being made. Itn i saw this, i thought was going to be a can of yuks about our weekly meeting. And moremuch deeper, human, and more humane. Because a got into the lives of the characters. In a nonfiction book, you can tell one story if the writer doesnt stick around for a while. When the writer stays the next week, and the next year, and things start to change, and the dont cover how they really live, and where they really are, its an amazing thing to watch. Did you actually say no. [laughter] plausible deniability. Charlie i was looking for the line that you say is never clear. O you what is the line . A cartoon i did in 1993 which is a guy looking at his address no, thursday is out. How about never . Is never good for you . And now that line is on everything. Copyright, so any time you use that [laughter] no kidding. Its on things you can purchase on amazon. Charlie how about never . Is never good for you . So, is there another famous line that has come out of your mouth . I think a lot of us say lines that come from our lives. That once say a cartoon mirrors mine erotic self, a guy in a board room saying that while i dont think we should panic right now, i think it only prudent that we make preparations to panic. I think my whole life is making preparations to panic. History ofhole cartooning, bob is the man who created a genre of lemmings. Lemmings go over the mountain, but then they start to fall and they all go up. And the caption is what lemmings believe. Get fast track. And then they say you know lemmings fact checked. Know lemmingsou dont actually commit suicide. And i say to the Fact Checkers charlie could the new yorker exist without the cartoons . No. And it is a strange formula. You are reading a 10,000 word article about Hillary Clinton or the war in the sudan, but while you are turning the pages and god willing reading intently, youre all flashes to a cartoon. Its part of the odd mix that is the new yorker. Invented theoss magazine, that was genius, that yout made sure made through the magazine once, and not only did you read the cartoons, because it is clearly the first thing everything does, clearly, it also gives you a first look about how you might go about reading it, what is there. I think if you invented it today, a magazine with no photographs on the cover, gags in the middle of long pieces, i dont think that any billionaire would necessarily bite. I think what you need is an editorial vision and readers who will love it. Until 1972, there was no table of contents. Thee is to say its none of readers business. And the writers byline at the end of the article. If you want to find it, search for it. Is that too much to ask . Thought. Bad are cartoons changing . I think theyre definitely changing when you have new generations of people. Thats what david is. Evolves, cartoons cant be all things to all people at all times, but what we want is for them to be more things to more people at more times. As you went looking for your humor, only at the friars clob, youd get a certain kind of joke. Thats right. But as saturday night live is discovered, when they went they gotore widely, different kinds of jokes, different kinds of voices, and that comes with all kinds of aspects of humanity, whether its youth or where people are rest. Nd all the thank you all. Congratulations thank you. Thank you. Back in a moment. Born and raised during a turbulent period in koreas naples has emerged as one of the leading artists of her generation. She walks across a wide she variety ofs a wide mediums and never won to shy big philosophical questions, her work can be perplexing, groundbreaking and beautiful. [speaking foreign language] a brilliant idea. Powered by. Gloria stein no, maam is here. Inspiration to generations of women and men. She has led an extraordinary and adventuresm and writing. My life on the road, her first in more than 20 years. It reflects on her decades of traveling and championing right. In 2013, she received the president ial medal of freedom obama. Esident i am pleased to have her. Any reward you have not received . Oh, tons, im sure. And the president ial medal of depends on the president you get it from. Ha ha have been given it by another president . Well, fortunately, henry who probably has damaged more womens lives than any being gle human the congressman from illinois right. Given a medal of freedom. So it meant a lot to me, because obama. From president so how do you think hes doing . Suchll, you know, i have respect and empathy for him, with anhes dealing ultraright wing that if they had cancer, and he had the cure, wouldnt accept it. I mean, i have never seen such a nice phrase. You believe that . I believe that. I believe that. So hugethe hatred is that although its certainly not the majority of the country at all, you know its maybe 20 , but it has a lot of influence. Is i admire him, because he always trying to talk, trying to reach out. Would say too much. But i think thats the kind of fault to have. Say notome people enough. They do. I dont know. Some people say he did not office in that way, in reaching out, enough. Well, that has to do with the social criticism that hes not a exactly. Whoot a guy who a guy drinks beer and plays poker. Its the notion that ronald and tipp oneal would do battle all day and at night, have a scotch and try to talk about the world. They did . Oh, yeah. Thats true. No. I can imagine tipp oneal doing it but i cant imagine Ronald Reagan not because he was just because he really didnt care that much about detail, you know. Was always reading off his california Behavioral Institute cards. Actually, reagan has some interesting traits in terms of the things he wrote a lot of things. Used to write all those speeches. They werent written by someone else. You can like them or not, but ofe him some pride authorship. Resurrected an ancient memory, the fact that Ronald Reagan actually, as president of the united states, in paris. Yes . You know, my office as president . President. My office said, you know, the president is on the phone. Make upoh, you can Something Better than that. But it turned out to be true. He was making calls that arguably should not have been made by a secretary in the white them and he was making himself, to ask people to do ads about products, of the space program, that were important on their own. Yes . And so he was asking me to do one with charlton heston. Which would have been hard for you . I did do it. Calledterrible, but i jesse jackson, and i said, what should we do . Like us should really do this. So Ronald Reagan reached out gloria steinem. I could not make him laugh. He was just there, telling me about this fellow who made western movies, youll love him and stuff like that. Surreal experience. How long did the conversation last, 45 minutes . Probably. An that but it was a minor thing that, you know, the people in control were doing policy and he was making trivial phone calls. An important person, so ice natural that its natural that no. He was making all the phone calls. You,t to call to call first of all, youre an important person, but you seem purpose wasthe legitimate. Yes, it was legitimate, but minor. Extremely yes, i understand, in the scheme of things, its minor. Let me talk about foreign policy. Isis. What happened in california. Give me your thoughts on where we are. Still considering in a silo. Icy and the various other movements also in silos. And so what we are not that de ng is demonstrably, in a wonderful worldalled sex and peace, demon traably, the indicator of whether the country will be violent inside beelf or whether it will willing to use military violence against another country is poverty, not access to natural resources, not religion or even a degree of democracy, its violence against females. The level of violence against females, the is ikely the country to be violent in every other way, because not that females important than males. No. Which the systems in that we call we call them patriarchal or whatever, the system in which reproduction and often doubly controlled in order to maintain racial separation or to maintain religion, they control the body. They must control the bodies of women. And that means that in our systemt years, we see a in which it is assumed that one dominate the to other. And often this involves since dominate another adult it involves violence normalizes violence in other cases. It is the root cause of violence. This inways known smaller, older societies, that the genderlarized roles, the more violent the society. Roles there gender least polarized . Inin the oldest cultures, native american cultures, in the original indian so theres less gender the oldest cultures. Why is that . Languages, byeir and large, dont even have he gendered pronames. Concept. The native american, the instance, their language does not have he and she, nor a word for nature, separate fromnot nature. Cultures, inginal which reproduction was naturally women, because its our health concern. On. Our bodies and so there were somewhat likerassigned tasks, women might be in charge of men might hunt,membe but they were regarded as equal. Start withot division. People as the aradigm was a circle, not pyramid. We saw human beings as linked ranked linked rather than ranked. Make one lastto speech and the subject was look come, and look how far we have to go, what would you say . Question,o the first how far weve come, i would say we know were not crazy; we know is crazy. This is big. Ha ha yes. And ha ha to how far we have to go, i would say we have a long way to go, because we need to stop dividing each other up by labels and thinking you mean in the culture generally, women among women or no, no. In the culture generally, generally. Know, that you and i share more as human beings than separates us because of sex or gender. Way more. Yes. Absolutely. Way more. Yes. All right. Onwhy do we focus so much these adjectives that are used race,ide us by gender, by by class, by caste, in india . Controllingut reproduction in order to create and control and continue these hierarchical systems. Okay. So the answer as to why do with is we do this, it is to continue the hierarchical systems . Right. See when some started, that is, theres a wonderful book called exterminate all the brutes which is a line from heart of darkness and it traces the to justifyf racism colonialism. Of racialidea separate different colognism clone that came from the patriarchalof systems in europe, caused invadelism to go off and other peoples lands. In order to justify that, you had to say these people are inferior. Know, youre almost doing them a favor by saying they cant adapt to the future. All these to be theories with skull measurements things thats of proved racial inferiorism. That, and its not easy, because as the old takeses will tell us, it four generations to heal one act of violence. Heal oneenerations to act of violence . Note,ts their cautionary when theyre choosing if they feel they have to be violent, selfdefense, but youre way less likely to do it capriciously, if you understand in one you normalize it generation because we have as enormousngs have this long period of dependency, brains 80 of our develops outside, in the mothers body, in culture. Right. News is thatd were adaptable and the species survives. Is that werews adaptable, so we can come to believe that race is real, that gender is real, that hierarchy is real, that we need to that theyre real divisions . Yes, that we need to conquer nature, when in fact we are part of nature. So, you know, theres a long way to go. But at least we have a vision of we understandt that the way we are currently accounts fory maybe 5 of Human History at the most. So where is its not inevitable. So where is the cutting edge of change . Well, hopefully at this table. Ha ha yes. Ha we try mightily. Ha ha its a roundtable. Exactly. Right. Okay. No squares are allowed. Ha ha right. Um. No. Im serious. Where is the cutting edge of change . Well, you know, it depends were actually looking at, you know. Some people would say the web, because it is a democratic network. And personalized. Skips over the divisions that were accustomed to. Identified. R is not but we have to be cautious about the web, because it is also divisive because of how literate, people people have electricity. Polarizing. And its liberating not only because it brings knowledge to an extraordinary extraordinary number of people. Who otherwise dont have that its not great. It is great. But we have to understand its limitations. Addition to the fact that out millions upon millions of people and polarizes to some extent. Does not allow us to empathize with each other. We can get information from it. This is great. And we can find each other, and this is great. Empathize, you need to be present in all five senses, like at this table. To empathize. To empathize, because i my friendlyd neurologist about this, in order to oryour neurologist neuroscientist . Well, both. Hormonece oxytosin, the that allows us to not just know but to empathize called oxytosin, it and feel . To empathize can you get that and add that to instance, when we, male or female, hold a child, were flooded with oxytocin. It requires being present with all five senses. Love books as much as you love books, this . In favor of the printed page. You dont get it on the screen. You know, i have a dream, heres dream. I want to know. I do. Satelliteld have a in everyo programs language that can be heard by somebody on the ground, with a windup radio. Need elect trick tris you electricity but you still need to be literate. Be an even more democratic means of communication. Of my many dreams. More, ms. Steinem, to share your dreams. Okay. Heres another one. That all the people who are anding about Climate Change global warming, for which im very grateful most of them are in paris as speak. Yes. Im very, very grateful. Thatthey would remember the pressure of unwanted the first root, the basis of Climate Change. Unfortunately, the people in the old days, who used to talk about population control presence of unwanted people. Yes. Overpopulation. Oh, i see. Overpopulation. Right. Overpopulation. It freed the womens movement, populationabout control. Unfortunately, they talked about know. A racist way, you they focused on other countries and, you know, made kind of assumptions. And that has given it a kind of thirdrail aspect, so now we dont talk about the fact that 8,000 morewhat, people on earth every minute or so . Theres like, you know, hundreds of millions of women who want desperately, because us, tohealth concern for be able to limit births, but its suppressed by religions and culture and so on . Do what in old cultures was understood, with so on. Nd abort and changing a little bit, were you impressed this has to do malefemale. Were you impressed with what done, takingrg has time off, paternity leave, you know . Yes. No. I think thats great. Someone as prominent and as and heroic asthy he is to so many people who worship the god of technology . No. Its great, because how men get to be whole people with all is beingan qualities raised to raise children or raising children. Its become people. Because the qualities that are aregly called feminine but just human, are empathy, attention to detail, patience, flexibility. Thats what you need to raise kids. In men who arent raised that way get to be hypermasculine. And some of them yeah. Some of them. Some of them. But seriously. Of the them, because crime weve just seen in california, some of them create would call i supremacy crimes. Gain, nothing. Theyre not going to gain money domestically violent. Theyre not going to gain something when theyre racist cops. Theyre not going to gain something when they go into a and justr post office shoot random strangers. It doesnt add any value. No. Of cases of domestic abuse, they may kill their themselves. Ill they are getting absolutely nothing out of it, except they have become addicted to control. Saying, youicted to know, powerfully, i can kill you. Of mys the ultimate proof control. And we should call them what is supremacych crimes. I have control of your life. Yes. Hypermasculinity. They got born into this culture. Up. Didnt make it the interesting thing is today, in San Bernardino, this the first time theyve begun to see couples. Yes. No, no. I know. The very first time, because up to now, in this country at least, and i think in people who commit these kinds of, you know, crazed of just killing strangers or their own families, have been 98 well, 100 male, up to now, white. They are exactly the people who most likely in a way to get hooked into get hooked on the drug of control. That theyre not real men, theyre not real people, unless others, to the degree even violence . Y control by exactly. Right. One of the things they say is that all of a sudden you realize you. Not about you dont look at childbearing to feel that way. A especially if youre female, because youre raised for selfsacrifice. If you say to me, what movie do go to, im raised to say, i dont know, what movie do you want to go to . Know if you do, though. Ha ha i try not to. But isnt that empathy . I think empathy in part is to say, im interested where you want to go, you know. Unable to feel you unfeminine, to voice your opinion, is the problem. By and large, the golden rule was written by a very smart guy, for guys. Ha ha women neednd large, to reverse it. We need to learn how to treat ourselves as well as we treat people. Arent we doing better on that . We are, because now at least we can say it. Were conscious of it. Were not crazy. We know were not crazy. Huge. S why did it take you 18 years to write this . Because i was doing it every then going back on the road. Ha ha ha ha ha actually, it got much too long. Friends ofderful mine, one was the editor of richards, they took machetes and and threatened you . They cut it down. Oh, you mean yeah, because it was too long. 1,000 pages and they cut it down to 300 or something . 276 . These days, thanks to the web, you can put what you cut out on the web. Did . Thats what you no, not yet. Not yet. Ha ha i will. I will. Look, heres a picture of you. Yes. Thats a very typical picture. Ha ha today. But theres the dedication. All right. Im going to read it. Okay . Tos book is dedicated dr. John sharp of london, who in physiciansade before legally perform an abortion for legal reasons other than the health of a considerablehe risk of performing an abortion on a 22yearold woman on her way to india, knowing only she had broken her faith at home to unknown first. You must promise me two things. Will not tell anyone my name. Second, you will do what you want to do with your life. Powerful. Dear dr. Sharp, i believe you, unjust, the law was would not mind if i say this, so long after your death. I have done the best i could. With my life. Right. Is for you. Good for you. Now im gladder every day dedicated it that way. Have you here. Gloria. Book is called my life on the road. Thank you for joining us. See you next time im john heilmann. And im mark halperin. With all due respect to donald i wouldnt expect too many endorsements for your latest policy proposal. [music] then the show tonight, Hillary Clinton, the donald trump miracle. Night of, the first hanukkah. Last night, president obama put on how tos ideas defeat terrorism at home and abroad and seasoned it with some for gun control. Overall, he focused on assuring the public that everything is he didnte fine, but announce any policy changes