2013. He writes about his journey through life and the nfl in i feel like going on. I am pleased to have ray lewis at this table for the first time. Welcome. Why the title . Ray i am a huge fan of this movie five heartbeats. When i reconnected with my father, there were times that i could not i was not ok with hearing his excuses or hearing his voice. My father was a great singer. In this movie, the singer who is the lead singer of the heartbeats, talented, talented, but got into drugs. Got into alcohol. Got into women. He blew his whole career. At the end of the movie, he resurrected his life. He came back. At the end of the movie, he started singing the song i feel like going on and when i really started to want a relationship with my father, i started calling him. I said, dad sing i feel like going on to me. I just need to hear you sing it. I used to call him and put it on speaker and had him sing it to me. I started writing my book. Dan looks up and he says, what makes you keep going . How do you trust people . People say so many bad things about you. How do you do it . He was, like, that is your book title. I feel like going on. Charlie lets tell a quick story about that. He left the day you were born. And you did not see him again ray i saw him again at 33 years old. Charlie and you are 40 now. And the reconciliation came back because . Ray i was going to North Carolina and my mom said, you know your dad lives there. I was like ok. ,she was like do you want to meet him . I was like ok. I got through doing what i was doing. He walked up and kissed me and he said, do you want to take a ride with me . I got in the car with him and i drove six hours. I never said one word and that is hard for me. I never said a word. I did not want to say anything because i wanted to hear anything and everything he had to say. We drove six hours to another subdivision of North Carolina and we pulled up to the screen this green trailer and we walked in and he said, i want you to meet your grandfather. And i am, like, wow. And the first thing my father says to his father is, why did you leave me . I am like ok, this charlie so his father had left him. Ray we have five generations, 20 years. My son is 20, i am 40, my father is 60, his father is 80, and his father is 100. Charlie alive . No, he has passed. I got on the floor. I started listening to the history of missing fathers. At this time, i had my kids. I cannot relate to what you both are talking about because i would never leave mine ever. It is something i yearned for my whole life. There is something that happens in a kid that never leaves a child when they learn how to live on their own. They never recover from that emptiness. Every time i see my son, every time i see my daughters, they know i need a hug. I need to know, you are mine. That is the one thing as a child i never felt. I never jumped up in my daddys arms. There was no daddy there. I immediately, after that conversation, i immediately told him, are you done . Is that everything you want to tell me . I forgive you. Im done. Charlie i forgive you. Im done. Everything ive ever been hurt by, im done. Charlie thats all you say . Yeah. I needed to hear i have lived 33 years of my life angry at my father. Charlie was that reflected on the football field . Ray it was channeled differently because he was gone. But then it was channeled in a positive way because i had no other choice but to help raise my sisters and brother. Charlie is your mama a hero . Ray she is the ultimate hero. She is my hero. No one ever has to convince me of the sacrifice that eight mother makes. I lived it and that is how i became my mothers best friend as a kid. Charlie you were a kind of father to the others. Ray i walked my sisters down the aisle to get married. S. T their father i have Four Brothers and sisters. Three sisters and one baby brother and i am the oldest. My mother would come into the house and at 10 years old, she said, i do not have time for you to be a child. I need you to be a man. Im going to teach you how to cook, how to clean, how to fold, how to braid, everything. There is nothing you wont be able to do. Charlie and you learned them all. Ray every last one of them. Mom used to come home, two hours a day, she would have two hours a day. Her feet would be swollen from working all day. Shia three jobs. I would get up and make sure i was there. Would bers and sisters in bed. I would sit a bucket of epson salt at the bottom of her bed. Two hours, i would wake up, and get her back out the door. I would braid my sisters hair. Get them to the bus stop. I would take my little brother and sister and get them to the nursery. Then sprint 34 miles to my bus stop. Charlie this is a great story about you. It is how a man is made. It is a very positive story. Is there a negative part of the story . Ray the only negative is the odds are not with you when daddy leaves. The stories i get, countless stories i get about kids. Charlie the street can become your friend because there is no place to be at home. Ray no place. You wonder why so many young kids are going towards gangs. They want to feel loved. They want to feel part of Something Like a family. Every kid does not reverse it. You know whats funny . I think the thing that is really that really changed my mentality. I was 24, the night in atlanta and what happened, i was so devastated. I have never, in my life, been the one. I cringe when i hear the horrific murders that people do to people. When my mothers brand is tainted charlie you were in custody. I bet you thought about that. How many hours . Ray i will always be ok. Charlie but you were worried about her. Ray when you start hearing all of the ugly things that people say and i am saying, im ok. But my mom used to call me sometimes and she is a praying woman. Shes always say, do not worry, junior. I would say look let me deal with all of that. Let me deal with all of the hate and all of that. I am good. You just know that what you raised, you stand by what you raised. Rated r movies, cursing, i still dont curse in front of my mom. Im not ever going to disrespect my mom. It is just certain things that if i do get frustrated at times, i get frustrated because people judge me from an incident. As you know, you can write what you want to write and say what you want to say about somebody and the truth does not have to , be said. Charlie for the benefit of the audience, what happened in atlanta . Ray a bad night of coming from a party. I call it still to this day chaos, something you can never control. That is why i think you see it at a much higher rate now of violence. I was raised so old school. This is why atlanta does not add up with me. I was raised so old school that if you had a dispute with somebody a real dispute, circle , up, knuckle it up, and both of you go home. If you want to fight the next day, go fight them again the next day. Charlie but not tonight. Not tonight, and you are definitely not going to freaki kill somebody. The biggest thing that really bothered me about atlanta, i lived through that story every second of my life. That never leaves me, man. Because someone failed to do their job on one side, and to have family hating me for something i did not do. I would never compare myself to jesus, but i do understand why when he says you have to be ok with worldly persecution. You have to be oh k with judgmental people who want to crucify and destroy your name. That part to me is what people dont understand, the human side of who i am, when i say that my smile represents my past and my heart represents my future. The things that people say to me, you dont know. I cant even hold it against you. Charlie i can take care of myself. Ray i can take care of myself. That is where mom the brand of who my mother is is why my mom is my hero. Charlie is there any better linebacker who played the game than ray lewis . I would love to hear a bunch of people that i played against answer that question. Quarterbacks are the soft guys. You couldnt get to them often. They are crying from the moment you touch them. I started playing the game to be remembered on thanksgivings, to be remembered on christmases. I was the one. We used to sit around the table and in 1985, the early bears days and San Francisco days and , im listening to my uncle say, he is something else. I am like wow. Man, that man is that great that you sit around the dinner table talking about him. Charlie thats what you wanted to be. You wanted ray lewis to be the subject of the thanksgiving dinner. Tell me how it felt to get hit. Ray it hurt. I wasnt playing no more for wins and losses. I was playing to be remembered. Charlie when did that happen . Early on . Some might say, Lawrence Taylor was up there. Ray outside, yeah. As far asero linebackers. I have a crew of linebackers that i studied. Lawrence taylor, mike singletary. We are talking about old school, right . Youre talking about greg lord. When you started to watch, one of my favorites became junior seau. Rest in peace. Charlie some say linebackers are the most gifted athletes on the field. Ray there is no better athlete than linebacker. We have to do everything. We cannot have a weakness. Charlie and you have to react. we have to be dictators. What linebacker in the league represents me . And i said i would not do nobody that injustice. Because a linebacker is feared. When you turn on film, watch , there is no offense according to their that does not draw place i had a rule, you can throw it outside, you can do anything you want to do, but if es, come between certain hash somebody is going to pay for that. Somebody is going to pay heavily. Charlie what did you make them pay . Ray when you physically take your body and make up your mind that you are going to run full speed and dont think, but to know there is an object that you are going to engage yourself, you are launch yourself into. The only outcome is either you give or they give and i am not giving. That is why every time i was hitting people i wanted to run through them. Charlie and they want to run around you. Ray they wanted to get away from me. A bunch of people will tell you, i started playing the game, dont touch me. This is pure war. Aint nothing friendly about this. Charlie get this straight, you are not my friend. I will take your head off if you come my way. Ray even my little brother. Charlie this is a warrior mentality that is necessary to be good, and especially to be a leader. Only way. The the only way youll be youmbered is by the ca people can pitted competed against. Cory to be a warrior is the only way you will really be remembered. Charlie and they would talk about you at thanksgiving. Do you regret any hits . Ray no. Charlie did you hurt anybody . Ray yes. Charlie are there people who may have had too many licks from people like ray lewis . Ray this is a very physical and brutal sport. Charlie are you concerned about concussions . Ray no. Charlie are you concerned about the reputation of the game . For the reputation of the game . Sorry to interrupt you, but what i am concerned about, they are taking the game and they are diluting the game because they want to protect their claims. If you leave the game alone, like always, the game will take care of itself. Charlie how would it take care of it self . Ray you are asking one of the biggest things in college football, they have created a term that is called targeting. If a player launches his head, which is the first thing on your body, you launch your head into somebody and you collide with their helmet, that is targeting. They are kicking babies out of games. A referee makes a mistake and they are never punished. See . What is the lesson that we are being taught . You make these rules. That is why we have shoulder pads. If i turn my neck to the side, i am putting myself in jeopardy of getting hurt. It is too much. You have these people sitting at the top of the food chain saying, the reason why they really dont care, the herds of athletes are so great, on to the next one and on to the next one. They dont care. The effect of your family . Did, if it really did, we wouldnt be the only ones you take away from. We are the only ones penalized. We are the only who are fined. Ones charlie you must be concerned for the game if you found out they are not doing all they can to prevent concussions. Ray you could say the same thing about boxing. If you get hit enough times in the head, it is going to mess with your brain. Charlie ask muhammad ali. Its what you trade in. It is what i told my sons. Charlie this is the bargain you make. If you participate in the sport ray these are the odds, these are the facts. Charlie dont worry about the people that have been hurt because that is the deal they made . Ray that is the deal you have to live with. Charlie you want them to maximize their concern for the player safety . Ray not on our dollar. Dont tell me so if im a coordinator, a coordinator says, that is the way you hit him. Thats the way you knocked the ball is. But the league says, that is a fine, thats a penalty. Charlie what would you do not to have regulations if players violate regulations . Ray regulations, something totally different. When you get into all of those other things, you are talking about rules, who it benefits. You talk about a linebacker and everything is different for us than the quarterback. The quarterback, they throw it. 300pound lineman dives in our knees. You know the commentators will say . Look at that guy block. That is a great block, that is what the commentators say. If you do that to a quarterback, he is dirty. Charlie protect the quarterbacks because they are the drawing card. Ray it is a quarterbacks game. It was declared that years ago and now it is even more relevant. I just think every man should be treated the exact same way because every man has a family , and every man goes home. Just like the other man go home. Charlie what you are saying, we should be protected and call the flag on somebody intending to hurt us as much as you call the flag on somebody like a punt receiver or a quarterback. Ray what is the difference . Charlie my point is that you want protection against illegal hits, against people intending to end your career or your participation in the game. We know the nfl has basically said, we will suspend the coach or team if we find they had an organized effort to do that. Ray a lot of people should have been suspended by now. Charlie what are you saying . Ray that is the only way you play the game. We made this sport for one thing competition. Take Everything Else out of it. Pure competition. Do not tell me that i cannot do certain things to win this guy. Win against this guy. Dont tell me that. History has shown that the greatest gladiators they came through with the greatest players of the game. Charlie the ones we honored the most are the ones who played the what . Ray the nastiest. Charlie would you consider yourself in that category . Ray absolutely. Charlie in other words you stand here today saying, i am proud, not only was i the toughest, not only was i the meanest, i was the nastiest. Ray that was the only reason i done it. Charlie and you did it to intimidate, so that would say, we cannot mess with ray lewis. He is nasty and he is mean and he wants to take me out of the game. Ray and the next player watching that on film the next week, guess what he is saying . I aint running that route. Charlie im worried more about hitting them making the play . Ray yeah. I love the reason why i love the National Football league is because it brands you for what everyday life cannot. Charlie someone told me watch the gladiator 50 times. Ray 100 times. Charlie because . Ray at the moment, in 2000, when that chapter of my life happened, of atlanta, that movie came out. I saw a man wrongly accused. I saw a man falls the accused. I saw a man stripped from his family and i saw a man go from , general to slave. I took every part of my life at that moment and i mimicked and i watched that movie and out of 100 times watching it, my eyes teared every time. My eyes teared every time that he injured the arena. He said what must i do . , i am a slave. He said, win the crowd and you will win your freedom. You win the crowd by winning . Doing something that most men would dare to do. Charlie have you done anything that most men would dare to do . Ray there is 200 and something with yellow jackets. Out of the thousands that have come to the league, there are 200 of them in canton. Charlie in canton, ohio, in the hall of fame. It seems to me what you are talking about is being the best. You are also talking about earning a reputation as the meanest, toughest, want to put a hurt on your guy on the field. Ray my position is linebacker. That is what it was designed for. Charlie to put the fear and to intimidate. Ray you do not run into running backs and say, i am sorry, man. Charlie let me help you out. Help you up . To get yourself up. Charlie did you do trash talk . What would you say . Ray i dont know. Anything that came to my mind. Everything. I am knocking you out. I am a machine. Whatever came into my mind, i said it. Ill be honest with you i took a , lot from alis book. Charlie did you . What you took was what . He was ok with being him. Charlie alis thing was to say i am the greatest and to prove he was the greatest. It is ok to say it if you can do it. Ray absolutely. At the university of miami i said at 17, i might be the greatest lineman. Everybody said this kid is , crazy, how could he say that . Because i wanted to be the greatest. When i pulled off my cleats for the last time, and you can put whoever you want up there, but if you talk to the people that i value value charlie the people who did what you do. They would say . Ray they would say, none better. None better than 52. Charlie or the best. Ray in a category with only a few. Charlie what was Lawrence Taylors number . Ray 56. Nobody marked 52. Charlie nobody what . Nobody marked it. Everybody else had a thing they kind of had. Charlie who was the best running back you ever faced . Ray that is an awesome question. You know why . I still say it to this day. One of the most awesome running backs i ever faced was lawrence phillips. Oh, my goodness. 1994, we played them in the orange bowl for the National Championship game. Tommie frazier was the quarterback. Lawrence phillips comes on this play and i am 215 at the time and i come from about eight to 10 yards and i fly and i hit him so hard. He went back about three feet. He looked at me and shook his head and said, you are going to have to drag me off this field tonight. I said, we are in for a dog fight tonight. I am telling you, i love competition. So i have played against so many great running backs. There is one that i would never forget that stuck out. In college, it was Lawrence Taylor. In the league, there are too many. You have to think about my division. I had fred taylor twice, eddie george twice. That was in one division. And so the quality of backs i faced back then was the highest level of backs. That is when Old School Football meant oldschool football. Charlie you would rather take a running back down going straight for him headfirst than a sack for the quarterback. Ray that does not excite me. What they call a sack is an overrated tackle. Charlie ray lewis. I feel like going on. Ray yes, sir. Charlie a story of parenting and a story of one mans sense of self. Great to have you here. Back in a moment, stay with us. Charlie crimson peak is a new film from director Guillermo Del Toro. Here is the trailer for crimson peak. Ghosts are real. That much i know. I have seen them all my life. Beware. This is my sister. I dont think she is the right choice. You have to trust me. Your bride is frozen. I will run you a hot bath. There are parts of the house that are unsafe. A house as old as this one, a living thing. Never go below this level. Has anyone died in this house . For your own best interest, proceed with caution. You are here with me. She knows everything. Do we have to do this . Must we . Yes. What do you want . I have to leave. You have nowhere else to go. This is your home now. Charlie joining me at the table the stars, mia wasikowska, jessica chastain, and tom hiddleston. Welcome. Our friend Guillermo Del Toro was going to be here. It never fails to amaze me where his imagination is. He said that this is one of his three favorite films he has ever made. Why do you think that is . Tom he has poured into this film all of his passions. His greatest inspirations, his favorite novels, his favorite movies and paintings, all of the things he loves most in the world. The genre of gothic romance. He is a director who finds beauty in the shadows. Charlie yes, he does. I think that is why he loves it so much. Charlie i am told he gave each of you 10 or 15 pages of back story. Jessica it was pretty incredible. Usually that on my own. This is the first film where the director gave me the information of what happened in the family, what happened when she was born. What a great starting point for an actress to fill in the character and being on set, guillermo and i were on the same team. If i made a choice are reacted a certain way, he knew why. We both have the same secrets. Charlie it made it easier. Jessica much easier. Who ladytell us lucille is. Jessica lady lucile is the sister of sir thomas and they are desperately trying to keep their house going. It is sinking into the clay and they need to find the money to bring the house back from history. She is deeply rooted in the house. You know, she is all about history and the past and wanting to be there and stay there. Edith is all about the future. Charlie and tom . Tom thomas sharp is a dreamer , inventor and an engineer. , as the film opens, we discover that thomas is in buffalo, new york, and is looking for sponsorship for his new machine. He is distracted by the energy and the beauty and the charm of edith. They are both creative people, both outsiders. In the structure of gothic romance, he is the tall, dark stranger with a mysterious past. Charlie what is the relationship in terms of the feeling between thomas and lady lucille . Tom without revealing too much, it is a complex one. They are brother and sister. There are many things they share. They are ostensibly aristocrats from the old world of europe. And the house they own sits on crimson peak. They are victims of their inheritance in so many ways. The house is a representation of the very complex and damaged inheritance, psychologically and physically. It is a film about the past and the future and how you can be weighed down by the secrets in your past. Thomas and lucille are different in more ways than their gender. As the film progresses, they make different choices. Charlie and you represent edith. Who is very much the future . Yes. At the beginning of the film, she is an ambitious young writer and slightly naive. That is why she in sup getting swept into this romance why she ends up being swept into this romance. She has to find herself her way out of that. Lucille and edith are polar opposites and toms character is in the middle. Representing the struggle between the past and future. Charlie a perfect segue to this scene. At crimsonarrive peak. [dog barking] goodness. How many rooms are there . I dont know. Would you like to count them . What do you think . Does it look the part . It does. Although it is even colder inside than out. We try to maintain the house as best we can. It is impossible to stop the damp and erosion. The wood is rotting and the house is sinking. Charlie because he is not here, lets represent him. What does he bring to the directing of the film . Mia he has got such a unique imagination and he brings his own perspective to his films. He manages to mesh together a number of different genres. I do not think any of his films are specifically one genre. As a director of the actors, he is super collaborative so supportive. Charlie if you look at the body of his work, you come away with the impression of what kind of mind is behind this. Mia i think the healthiest people are the ones who make the most disturbing films. They work out their stuff in a really controlled space. Super are sued for delightful. Jessica one of the very first interviews i saw of guillermo was on your show and he brought his journals. Charlie and we look at them. Are a perfect representation of who he is. He is constantly thinking in his imagination is going wild. He is creating monsters. He loves his monsters. He has compassion for someone that first glance, whether it be people or creatures, you think, that is wrong, that is bad, and he goes, maybe not. He has love for everybody. Charlie one of the programs, we called it the three amigos. Jessica it was incredible. Charlie interesting the way he did that. Jessica it was incredible. Charlie what is the difference between horror films and gothic romance . Tom gothic romance is literary. The time that gothic romance came around in the development of literature was a very rebellious genre. It was a way of expressing things about society that were repressed, which were sexuality and the fear of death. Gothic romance acknowledges the first genre to speak of the explained supernatural. Ghosts were emotions trapped in time as opposed to the emblems of some judeochristian view of gods and demons. They were spirits who were unquiet or not yet at rest. Coupled with that, there is always a young heroine who is drawn toward something very dangerous. These two forces of love and death are at war with each other. Charlie tell me about this character for you. Jessica ive never played anyone like lucille. When i read the script, she broke my heart. I was really moved by this study of loneliness and a study of someone so desperately wants to be loved and to give love, but does not understand how to do it. Guillermo wrote some beautiful things about her. For lucille, love has been connected with a kind of pain and suffering, whether she is taking a beating for her brother or taking care of her mother. For lucille, it is one in the same. Charlie what does that make her . I saw her as an abused dog. When you see them in a cage, they so desperately want to be held and touched. The second you reach for them, they bite your hand. Charlie every instinct is to fight back . They are so vulnerable and scared, this mix of opposites. That is how i felt. Charlie take a look at this. The shadow. Shadows and groans. You better suited that boundless imagination of yours. I just need a proper walk. I want this house to contain friendship and love and warmth. Warmth would be an excellent start. Thomas, your bride is frozen. Of course. Forgive me. I will run you a hot bath. The pipes full run red at first because of the clay. Soon the water will clear. Would you mind getting me a copy of the house keys, please . You dont need one. Im sorry. There are parts of the house that are unsafe. It will take a few days to familiarize yourself. Them, i you still need will have copies made. Come on, edith, come with me. Charlie interesting costumes as well. Jessica i wore seveninch platforms underneath the dress. Charlie seven inches . Yes, because this guy is told. We had to be twinlike. The character loves constrictive clothing. Charlie you and i have talked about expanding roles for women. Are you finding that . You seem to be doing a variety of things. At least more diversified. Jessica i am really lucky in that ive been given the opportunity to play characters that are very different. Perhaps that is because in 2011, i had seven movies come out where the characters were so different. Perhaps that has allowed that in my career. As an audience member, i want to see more complete characters for women and not so many stereotypes. The great thing about this film, there are two incredible female roles. Charlie im told that guillermo let you pick one or the other. Is that true . Jessica i think he thought i was going to respond to edith. Charlie because it was more what . Jessica i dont know. Maybe he saw it as more similar to me. Where castingy comes from. I dont know. When i read it, i really wanteie to challenge myself and do something ive never done. I am glad i did because mia is so much better than i would have been in that role. Charlie would you have liked to a played the other role . Mia i think they are both such great roles. I was so excited that there were these two fantastic characters, these females. I think guillermo has two daughters and he is so in love with his wife. He interviews them with so much strength and complexity. In mbues them with so much complexity. He never waters it down and never minimizes it and that is quite rare for a male director. Tom i align myself with him in this regard. He has done an extraordinary thing with this film. The male characters are all ineffectual. Charlie ineffectual . They try to do things and they do not succeed. The women on my left and right it is a film about women, it really is. It is a film where the heroine is not saved by the tall dark stranger. The byronic hero the heroine , saves herself. That is profound and probably all too rare. Charlie how did you come to that in your own head . Mia to the film . Charlie to the character. Mia it kind of changed a little bit as we were filming as it always does. You can do so much preparation and then things inevitably it inevitably changes. It changed a little bit as we went on. I just found his he was just always so on it in terms of never letting me be too passive. Charlie where you born . Mia australia. Charlie how did you make your way to the film . Mia i started being interested in film when i was 15 and i did a Google Search for agencies and joined a child acting agency when i was a teenager. Charlie and never stopped and never looked back . Mia yeah. Tom since i graduated from drama school, ive learned they cannot train you in the truth. Mia is one of the most natural actresses i have ever worked with. She is incapable of not telling the truth. Charlie she is incapable of inauthenticity . Tom yeah. Charlie thank you for coming. Great to have you here. Crimson peak opens on october 16 in theaters and on imax. Thank you for joining us. See you next time. Rishaad this is trending business. Live in beijing and singapore, here is a look at what we are watching. Creeping concerns. Markets it down near a threeweek low. No deal, australia dismissing an approach from the gulf. The 5 billion bid undervalues its assets. And a holdup for honda. Facility innew china are on the shelf as demand slows in the world number one market. About how you feel about our stories. Follow me on twitter. Jakarta coming on screen. Lets look at these markets. Some of them are getting a kicking. They are. We are seeing a downbeat mood. Worst performer in the region. Yesterday. As closed a little bit to catch up for here. Pretty flat. We have some weakness, i will tell you why and a moment