However, the recent additional decline in oil prices and further appreciation of the dollar, mean that it will take a bit more time for these effects fully to dissipate. Charlie joining me now is glenn hubbard, the dean at columbia business school, a Top Republican economic advisor. Gillian tett is a managing editor at the financial times. Alan blinder is a professor at Princeton University and a former fed vice chairman. David leonhardt of the New York Times will be joining us. He has joined us now. I am pleased to have him as well. Alan, give me a sense of what happened today. And because you have been there, what might these deliberations have been like . Alan i think they were contentious in a polite sort of way. Everything is polite. The committee is divided. From the statement, you can tell clearly that janet yellen was on the dovish side and was in her own polite way not getting resistance. There was no little bone thrown to the hawks in this statement. At all. I was surprised the emphasis given to events outside of the country, to china. The fed doesnt usually pen any decision on anything other than things in the United States. Charlie give us the arguments being made inside, the basic arguments as to whether you raise Interest Rates or not. Glenn the argument for naught is the economy is still fragile in some ways. We dont have full employment yet. We could be doing better. The argument for raising rates, is why are we putting the u. S. Economy on life support when we are growing it in the Unemployment Rate is what the fed said its target is . I put myself in that latter camp, i see no argument for not having raised rates. Charlie they would do what . Glenn it would signal we have begun the process of adjustment. Part of what the fed did was inject volatility. By referring to overseas events, and not talking about domestic developments, the fed is confusing markets. Gillian it is extraordinary the fed has come out clearly and not said because of china, but they indicated International Events have forced their hand. Remember, the feds mandate is to protect employment and keep inflation low. This was a contentious decision because now there is a lot of confusion about what the fed is trying to do. Is it data dependent or is it timedependent because it wants to do something before the end of the year . Is it responding to International Pressures or looking at Consumer Prices . Above all else, how are they going to frame the reference points Going Forward if that is not clear . Right now, there is no clear reason to keep rates at the current level. We have an emergency system situation introduced to be the crisis that is no longer happening inside america. At the same time, the problem is there is no obvious immediate , incentive to cause them to raise rates. Guest there is a fundamental important reason that is being ignored. Inflation is too low. The fed has been saying for years that it wants a particular measure of inflation to be 2 . Lately that number has been running closer to half that with no sign of going up. So, if you are the central bank 2 inflationhief a rate there is a reason to keep stoking the engine. Gillian one of the questions is is the fed targeting Consumer Prices or asset Price Inflation . Guest consumer Price Inflation. Gillian one of the consequences, they were trying to boost asset prices in the hope that it would boost the economy. Guest china is the straw that broke the camels back. Im not sure they would hold off without china. I think it is worth thinking about the other straws. The American Economy is still extremely weak. We just got a report this week showing median incomes fell last year which is remarkable. We have low inflation. We have an officially low Unemployment Rate, but we have a pretty weak economy. The idea Economic Policy but not would be not just just be having the fed do this, it would be a more active fiscal policy. It is hard to ask the fed to raise rates when the economy is as weak as it is, particularly because it has made one mistake over the last five years, it has been too passive and too willing to think the economy is about to get strong and has come to regret that. I think what you see from janet yellen is to avoid that mistake that ben bernanke made to avoid 2008 and 2012. Guest i have a different view. It is true that headline inflation is running lower than what the fed would like, but the problem is that we have other influences as well as dollar influences. Labor costs are getting into this. I dont think the fed can fix any problems david is talking about. The Federal Reserve is not there to ask structural problems, stagnant incomes. They are fiscal policy problems. To say we dont have fiscal policy, let the fed do it, means that the fed is inflaming risks. Glen it is into the zone the fed is arguing for. There is no argument to keep rates at zero. Keep in mind, raising the rate is only going to have a material effect. It is more a matter of putting the economy back on a normal course. Gillian you are creating a system that is getting hooked on the idea that money does not have a price. I lived in japan in the late 1990s and it is an insidious, subtle thing, this zero rate policy. It begins to breed bubbles. It distorts the system quite significantly. We are already seeing that. The longer it continues the more difficult the process of normalization will be and the more the markets go through this waiting game, the more complacent it will be. Charlie what has been the reaction of central bankers around the world . Guest i dont know but i cant imagine there was a lot of surprise. The reason there should not have been any surprise about this is the fed wants to give for warnings of its actions, hence about whether it is going to move or not going to move to not catch the markets by surprise. Of course, we heard nothing, not a whimper out of janet yellen for two months about this. If she raised Interest Rates today there would have been a big shock wave going through the markets in the United States and around the world. I think that most people who understand the fed, not expecting a move today even if they wanted the fed to move today. Guest we did hear from stan fisher. There were hawkish statements. Charlie before the decision was made . Guest the fed is confusing the markets and injecting volatility that need not be there. Charlie when you look at the productivity paradox, gillian right now the fed is like the pilot of the plane where the controls on the dashboard are going haywire and they are not behaving as you would expect in the fed is saying to us we can steer the plane very slowly and gently, and come to land and no one will notice, and the reality is not only do they have these currents with the dials are not behaving normally. Productivity is extraordinary. Why is there such a low level of productivity given that we are living through a tech boom . Maybe one of the professors have the answer from what i can see , the fed doesnt. Guest part of it is measurement. Im not sure were accurately measuring productivity. We are definitely living through a productivity boom. Charlie you cant measure productivity . Guest you will get some of that from mismeasuring productivity and missing output from new stuff but that has always been true. Imagine what it would have been like when electrification was coming to the country. It has always been true there is new technology and the data system lags behind it. Im not convinced that is worse now than it has been in the past. Charlie this is part of the fed decision, talking about china, what is your assessment of how china is handling its crisis . David not that well. It is worth acknowledging the Chinese Communist party has had a phenomenal 25 year run. Imagine back in 1989, forecasting what china has done since then. Im not excusing the human rights abuses but Economic Performance and political stability it is remarkable. This is the most serious challenges they have dealt with. There are big excesses there. I think they are trying to cap them rather than deal with them. They have a hard problem they , have competing interests. Were at a pivot point. We have had a series of president s who have had to deal with and increasingly strong china. It is within the run the possibility the next president will have to grapple with chinese weakness in a way that no american president has since george h. W. Bush. Charlie i would love to see the conversation between the president of china and the president of the United States. Gillian i think they will be nervous. Charlie in terms of cyber attacks. Gillian the Chinese Government is not simply trying to deal with economic transition from an economy where the money was directed towards investing heavily at the expense of consumers through banks, and trying to open it up, make a consumer driven to create capital markets, they are trying to do that the same time that they are trying to deal with internal political tension. And the most dangerous of all is people are losing faith in the ability of the bureaucrats to control things. They dont have faith Market Forces are free enough to allocate money. Guest the chinese Financial System is not a modern Financial System. State directed credit will get you so far, but we are now hitting a wall. The problem is, you can say open up a political power at the local level in china comes from control of credit. Political figures dont give up the source of their power. Im skeptical that china can modernize its system very fast. Charlie what other things might the fed consider doing . What is the analysis of our economy . Alan it is not far from where glenn started. We are getting close to the full employment zone, although, janet yellen and others would say we are not quite there yet. There is further distance to go. Try as we may we have not been able to lift the inflation rate. That means, for one thing, nobody should be worried about an acceleration of inflation. The fed is worried about inflation running too low. I think, another thought, which in of us has mentioned let me , mention it, somebody there, janet will be one but not alone, has got to be remembering the year 1996 when professional opinion was strongly congealed on the notion we were at full employment and could not move the Unemployment Rate even a notch lower and Alan Greenspan was totally unconvinced by this, believing we could, and we did. The fed did not raise Interest Rates and the economy grew strongly for another 34 years and the Unemployment Rate went down to 3. 9. Do we know that we are on the verge of Something Like that, no, certainly not. Suppose you put probability, suppose that is a 20 chance. Do you want to squelch that . I think at least some people are thinking about that. All that said, Interest Rates cant stay near zero forever. They have got to come up. So, you are talking about arguments over months, not years. Charlie at what condition will cause janet yellen to recommend Interest Rates rise . What is she looking for . Alan the most important thing she is looking for is tightening in the labor markets. People are coming back in. Labor force participation. The partially employed at people who want to work longer hours, and things like that. I want to emphasize the inflation rate. If the inflation rate starts moving up she will take that as a big signal. Guest what are we going to learn . Over the next six weeks or 12 weeks . We are not going to see Much Movement in participation rates. We will perhaps continue to see unemployment decline of it. What exactly is the fed waiting to learn to normalize . David we have been to worried about inflation. It has been a real mistake of Economic Policy. The real problem has been employment. The problem is not inflation. Inflation is near zero. Charlie to the surprise of most economists . Gillian and astonishment. David and the surprise of the hawks. All the people were saying they should be raising all of the people who said that they should have raised before, and i think it is good that we did not do that. I think it is less they are looking for new evidence and more you are seeing if we are going to air on the side, lets air on the side of not squelching what might be in an economic recovery that could bring more benefit to people. Alan i think some people in the fed are thinking about they will never speak about, the United States congress, the house of representatives may be on the verge of taking the economy in the teeth again over the budget and National Debt ceiling. They will know more about that in the middle of december and then they know in the middle of september. Let me repeat, they will never talk about that. That is something very political. But they watch to see what the politicians do. Gillian they are held hostage to the vagaries of the chinese economy, and the u. S. Congress. It is a very odd vision. This is supposed to be a that that is independent. What data are you going to use . But that is data. Gillian no one i know has created an algorithm for that yet. Charlie janet yellen. What is your assessment . Guest she is an excellent fed chairman. Charlie even though she didnt go where you want her to go. Guest she is an excellent economist and she has done well at managing consensus in the fed. That is increasingly hard to do. David i appreciate having her brooklyn accent in the national dialogue. We have all four of them. She is at a good start. Charlie when will we see 4 American Growth rate . Alan it will be an aspiration. It would require an enormous productivity growth. I dont think it is impossible. We should have seen it in this recovery. Alan the answer is what glenn said. Unless we get productivity rising at 2 plus, which is the historic norm over a long period, 4 is way out of reach. Charlie you agree . Gillian sadly. Charlie jeb bush is promising 4 . Guest we need to have a conversation about growth. We should have been growing at 4 . If we had better tax and regulatory policy, faster growth is possible. Charlie thank you. We will be right back. Stay with us. Charlie we begin with analysis of the last nights second gop president ial primary debate. For 11 candidates sparred on a three hours, wide range of issues at the Ronald Reagan president ial library. The topics included immigration, iran nuclear deal, and appointments to the supreme court. Carly fiorina and senator marco rubio earned praise for their performance. All the contenders took jabs at donald trump for training him as portraying him as unqualified for the job. Here is a look at the most memorable moments from the cnn debate. Rand paul his visceral response to attack people on their appearance, short, tall, fat, ugly. That happened in junior high. Are we not above that . Would we not be worried to have someone like that in charge of the Nuclear Arsenal . Donald trump i never attacked him on his look, and believe me there is plenty of subject matter. Marco rubio the United States military was not built to conduct pinprick attacks. If United States military is going to be engaged by a commander in chief it should only be engaged in an endeavor to win. We are not going to authorize use of force if youre are not putting men and women in a position where they can win. Quite frankly people dont trust this president because of that. Carly fiorina i think women all over this country heard very clearly what mr. Trump said. [applause] donald trump i think she has a beautiful face and i think she is a beautiful woman. And your brothers administration gave us barack obama because it was such a disaster is last three months that Abraham Lincoln could not have been elected. Jeb bush as one thing relates to my brother, he kept us safe. Ted cruz george w. Bush appointed john robertson. Let me give you the consequences of that, if instead the bushs is appointed edith jones and michael lewd, obamacare would have been struck down three years ago and the marriage laws of all 50 states would be on the books. Charlie joining me from los angeles, bob costa of the washington post. John heilemann of bloomberg politics. From washington, d. C. , Rebecca Sinderbrand of the washington post. And glenn thrush of politico. Here in new york, Jim Rutenberg of the New York Times. I am pleased to have each and every one of them to talk about this debate for three hours. Everyone seems to agree Carly Fiorina did a good job. Lets get each persons response and talk about individual aspects of it and the nature of the debate, in which candidates are attacking each other. John heilemann, give me the bottom line. John the theme, if there was one, the establishment strikes back. Cnn orchestrated a debate. They wanted conflict, they got conflict. It was an epic film. Donald trump pointed out gone with the wind only ran three hours 26 minutes. There were some candidates hardly heard from. Trump was at the center of most conflicts. There is no doubt that Carly Fiorina was the one candidate who broke through. She had the highest expectations and she performed. The question is, how much she is going to rise in the polls is the question. She proved she has a place on the main stage. Then the question is for the , rest of these candidates the ones who did well, how much will that register in terms of moving and moving opinions . For donald trump and ben carson, neither who had strong performances, whether that will matter to the people who support them. Jim i agree with that but what i found most striking, what this really did finally, was set the stage for a gigantic debate and the Republican Party. We talk about it in terms of establishment versus insurgent. In my lifetime i have not seen , the Republican Party have debates over National Security this way, over social issues. What i found striking, giant internal struggle within the party with the two front runners accounting for 50 of the polls highfiving over the opposition to the iraq war. Rebecca it was fascinating to watch on the stage for the first time. Candidates seem to figure out how to take on donald trump, how to handle him. Definitely, cnn wanted to spark the debate, the conflict. Some of the candidates had to deal with donald trump last time around and didnt know how to handle it. This time, a lot of them seemed to find their footing. As the debate moved into policy areas, away from the personality, they seem adrift at times. He found his footing, he didnt lose himself but the other candidates need to find their place. Charlie including ben carson . Rebecca ben carson was interesting. It is one of those things where, after the last debate, we looked at the social steps that the post and were astonished by what they saw. Ben carson attracting attention on social media as donald trump. We thought we were watching a different debate than everyone else. He seemed a bit quiet, a bit overshadowed, same thing after this debate. We can have our assessment of how we think ben carson did but clearly something he is saying and doing is resonating with voters beyond the cosmetic and optics. Charlie is it simply part of the outsider status, the antipolitician mood . Rebecca absolutely. No doubt about that. The other thing, you have these fresh faces within the Republican Party, you see the divide in the polls when you asked democrats how important is it to have someone who doesnt have government experience, how much do you want a fresh face, not so much of that from democrats. They thought it was a good thing but the majority said it would have someone like government experience. Republicans rejected that. They wanted to see someone new, someone who had no ties to washington. They have plenty of options right now. Charlie what is Donald Trumps reaction to this other than telling cnn he said Just Announced last nights debate was the highest rated ever, will they send me a thank you note . Guest he has not been too terribly contrite. One of the interesting dynamics was the sidebyside comparison with jeb bush and donald trump. I can watch that for four hours. The teachers pet taking on the captain of the Football Team who has been torturing him. Two hours of the debate, jeb really tried to attack trump. Then there was this weird moment where trump extends his hand. Instead of giving him a handshake it looks like bush , took a whack at him. Charlie go to the central question, does this in a sense mean the beginning of a different place for donald trump . Glenn we have to wait for the polling on this. The only certainty is that Carly Fiorina will spike. It will be interesting if the people who support donald trump view this as the establishment taking a whack at him. I think the question here is how much of the support for donald trump is for donald trump as opposed to none of the above . The polling is going to be fascinating. Charlie talk to me about jeb bush. John jeb bush gave a better performance than he did in cleveland. A big part of the Bush Campaign is an attempt to keep its donors, keep its supporters in a place where they do not panic. We are seeing, by contrast in scott walkers world mass defections, mass panic. People who believe walker is in an unfixable tailspin. Bush wants to avoid that. He has more money in the bank. He can afford more fragility. This performance was designed to say jeb bush is ready to fight and not going to go mildly. He is not going to go meekly. Charlie you know the Republican Party. What do you think . Guest i have been covering trump since january pretty closely. We are seeing an evolution of trump as a candidate. He has settling into the front runner row. He said he came to this debate prepared. He was preparing on Carly Fiorina. He was ready to talk about the bush record. You see him sensing the nomination is within sight. He is more subdued with his tone, still has the swagger, a different kind of candidate than in july. Charlie what kind of position do you assume he will take . Bob trump and his Campaign Manager says the next up is releasing his tax plan in the next few weeks ahead of the next debate hosted by cnbc. Donald trump is going to attack capital gains, continue the populist message on economics. Charlie is that a receptive message in that party . Bob it is changing the party. Look at governor bush, he is taking a populist mood. Bush, like most republicans, wants to lower Corporate Tax rates and trump would like to do the same but the trump effect is trickling down to the policy plans of candidates and you see bush adjusting and many others. Charlie Chris Christie. Gillian Chris Christie. Coming into last night there were people saying they had written him off. He had to have a good debate. He did not disappear on stage. Going into last night, it felt as though scott walker and Chris Christie in similar positions in terms of the polls and momentum, coming out of the debate a huge difference. People are talking about Chris Christies performance, scott walkers less. Charlie was this a good debate to have where the intent is to get the candidates talking to each other and fighting to each other . Gillian you struggle to think how you could handle 11 candidates at once. Three hours, i have to say, as someone who has worked on these debates, i used to work for cnn on debate coverage, it is a slaughter. You try to get in as many questions as you can. By the end of it, jeb bush may have been the only who found his stride in the third hour. Everyone from the candidates on stage to the viewers and reporters were feeling the time by the time it came. Charlie what are the democrats going to debate . Guest they start to debate next month. Charlie october 13. Guest another cnn debate moderated by anderson cooper. Obviously, it will be a big moment. The big question that is looming over the thing is whether that debate will be the current field, Hillary Clinton, bernie sanders, lincoln chafee, or whether joe biden will have decided to get into the race by then. That debate will look very different if joe biden is in it. That is an element of suspense we have. It is going to be a huge moment for the party. It will be the first democratic debate. Bernie sanders is on the cover of time magazine. Hillary clinton has been slipping in a steady downward way for the past several months. It is a big moment for Hillary Clinton and bernie sanders. Charlie anybody else have an idea on joe biden with intelligence that may reflect on how he is going about making this decision . Or, is it simply within his own head and heart . Guest i have spoken to some democrats as i have been reporting. They believe the Vice President can wait. They would like to see him but they know he is watching secretary clinton, seeing how her campaign unfolds. He would rather play the role of savior than someone who rushes in. Charlie when you talk about these debates, what issues are emerging . Because, as i was watching and doing multitasking, i dont see great differences. They are all against the nuclear deal. They are all unanimous in their criticism of the president. They have some differences in immigration. Planned parenthood for the most part they have the same point of view. Correct . A little bit of an opening there. Guest i saw a couple of places where it was interesting on National Security, on the iraq war, on interventionist positions. I thought that was interesting. There was some difference on whether a county clerk can say no to a marriage license. Charlie bush versus trump . Guest and walker was in that. When i grew up as reporter the Republican Party was in lockstep. I saw a difference on that stage than i am used to seeing. Guest one of the interesting differences was in the undercard debate. Bobby jindal, who is seizing the tea party banner and calling for a Government Shutdown, versus Lindsey Graham who says you will lose an election, it is political suicide to do that, that was one of the interesting exchanges. Not show much on issues of policy because they all agree on the issues like plan parenthood, but that shows the schism between the party and the approaches to governing. Charlie the emerging division or the division that has always been there but is more glaring because of donald trump and carson, between establishment and insurgent. That seems to be the distinction within the party. Glenn the emergence of donald trump actually blurs that. He is in a no mans land in between those lanes. He is not standing on the top of the hill saying shut down the government. It will be interesting to know when and if a Government Shutdown takes place what position that puts donald trump in. Guest is the issue about what donald trump did about gambling in florida one that is likely to hurt one or the other . Guest it shows jeb bush has 100 million and there is research out there on donald trump. None of it seems to have stuck. We saw a raft of stories today about that. Trump denied it. The Fact Checking class had cited with jeb bush on that. That was a shot across the bow and we will see more of that. It may be something deeper with the bush and trump rivalry. I asked him about this. Is it perhaps about class, old money versus new money . Trump said he never thought about that but he said maybe there is something there. Theres a sense that trump has this brash, queens personality. There is a tension that has lingered dropped the campaign. Charlie john kasich. He probably helped himself a little if anything . Glenn i dont think he had the same night that he had in the first debate. Some people in the Political Class say maybe he will not wear it out well. I dont think he hurt himself. The first debate he had a , standout night but he did not last night. Charlie rand paul . Guest boy. I would put him in the sinking dinghy next to scott walker. Glenn someone who bet on attacking trump to propel his campaign that has been derailed by the force of donald trump. Gillian the rick perry memorial strategy. [laughter] charlie in memory of the late. Thank you all. What a great session. Thank you very much. Well be right back. Stay with us. Charlie David Oyelowo is here. He received great praise for his portrayal of dr. Martin luther king jr. In selma. His new film is captive alongside kate mara. He plays an escaped convict who in 2005 murdered a judge and three civilians. He then held a woman hostage inside of her own apartment for seven hours. Here is the trailer. Mommy. Hey baby girl. I love you. I love you too. I hate this car. I lost everything. They said i was an unfit mother. Have you heard of this book . It helps me. You are late, ashley. A lady drop this off for you. When i heard i had a son, i had to break out. Breaking story. Police are looking for this man. Brian nichols. I want all eyes in the sky. I want chapters at now. Lets flush nichols out. My name is ashley smith. I am a mother. I dont trust you. You do that again and i will have to kill you. I need to see my daughter. You are not going anywhere. God help me. What is that . What are you doing . It is a book. Read it to me. You want to know why you were placed on this planet, begin with god. He expects you to make the most of what you have been given. I havent been given anything. You have a son. You are going to hear some bad things about me. Whatever happens, i love you. The greatest tragedy is not death, but life without purpose. Could you forgive me . I dont know. But, maybe god can. Charlie oyelowo is also nominated for an emmy in his work in the hbo film mango nightingale. I am pleased to have him back. Welcome. David thank you. Charlie you have heard this a thousand times. It is quite a move from dr. Martin luther king jr. To Brian Nichols. Was this a conscious choice so that you wanted to do Something Different to show the wide range of your appetite and skills . David playing different kinds of roles for me is always conscious. But, especially having played a role like dr. King, i have the best time playing him. It was an honor and it is something i am glad to be associated with the rest of my life. But what you dont want is to be , associated purely with one character for the rest of your career. So, therefore, the way to do that is to ring the chain so the audience is left guessing. Charlie this is a cold killer. What do you want to make sure youve got about Brian Nichols . David it was a fine line. You want both things, the cold killer and the human being. No one of us is just the one thing. When you look at the headlines, when you look at that day onarch 11, 2005 and watch the footage of him on the news, he is a monster. He is a man on a tear, killing people. Charlie for no apparent reason. I have not read the book. Mara plays,o kate has been on talk shows. David when you investigate it was a combination of things. He claimed to have not done the rape he was on trial for. Charlie does he have reason to claim that . David i dont think it was his girlfriend who he raped. It was his word against hers. He truly believed he had not done it and was looking down the barrel of a 25 years in prison. He had newly found out that he had a new son and that was something that played on his mind. I met his mother and she asked him why he did what he did. He said he had had an incident in jail where he was in a cell along with other black prisoners and they were shackled, and an incident broke out and they were pepper sprayed and he said in that moment he felt what it must have felt like to be on a slave ship. She says she thinks that is the , moment when something snapped. He remains, i think, in this fugue state until encountering ashley smith who somehow, her plea not to be killed, reawakened the humanity and him. Charlie you begin to see it in small acts. Here is a scene. This is when she convinces him to let her use the bathroom alone. I have to use the bathroom. Go for it. Use the bathroom. Hey what are you doing . I cant go with the door open. I will turn around. I cant go with you standing there. I dont trust you ashley. What are we going to do . Youre going to talk. Im going to shut the door and you are going to talk. Im going to go to mexico and get the truck. We have to have a bank though. You understand where we are going. Where we going . Mexico. [crying] got, please help me. Charlie he is high on methamphetamine at that time. David he is. A drug he has never taken before. Ashley smith cannot quantify why she gave him the drug. She gave him methamphetamine which she had in the house, you give a guy methamphetamine that is not going to go well. Charlie you have no insight into that. Hes beginning to know a lot about her. David she is vulnerable but also they are a mirror for each other. She is a meth addict. She also has made choices to ostracize herself from her child. They are both broken people and they saw something in each other pause to allow them to have a conversation in which she could read the purpose driven life to him and make pancakes for him. They had this exchange. She had also been relegated to the scrap heap. She said to me that when Brian Nichols broke into her apartment that day, she had watched the news and scene there was this killer on the loose, she thought it was gods way of saying to her you have messed up , so much you deserve death. That is the place she has gone to. And, of course Brian Nichols, as , his humanity is awakened, he comes to terms with the fact that four people are dead because of what he has done. The trickiest thing for me was to in no way try to excuse brian for what he did but for him to be someone who let her go and gave himself up, there is some humanity left in him. Charlie was this an easy choice . David no. It was a very difficult choice for me. Because i know what it costs me to play a role. Like daniel daylewis, i aspire to immerse. You have to give yourself over to the character and not judge the character. You have to place yourself in their mindset and understand why they do what they do. As a person i find what he did reprehensible. It is going to cost you to be in the headspace. But, i was so inspired with what went on to happen with ashley smith, that is what made me feel like i wanted to lend myself to it. Charlie what happened to her . David she never touched the drug again. Charlie he begs her and threatens her, if you dont take this after ive taken it, so i will know there was nothing bad. She says no because she realizes she has gone back to the worst place she has been. David she said if im going to die, i dont want to meet my maker with methamphetamine in my system. Ode also said she thought g took over her body and was given a choice, life or death. That is an incredible question to ask yourself. Charlie the book, the purpose driven life. Some have called this a christian movie. Does that mean anything to you . Other than the fact that he is a prominent christian with a huge following and wrote this book that sold 40 million copies . David i understand it because we are always looking for ways to categorize things to understand them. It is an action movie, aromatic comedy, a faithbased movie. That is not what drew me to it and that is not i hope ultimately it is going to be purely understood to be. Because i think faithbased movies largely seem to be made for a niche audience, for christians, and they can be heavyhanded in terms of profit with the preachy neighbor of them here. Charlie and they make a lot of money. David they make a lot of money with a niche audience. For me as a person i want to reach as broad an audience as i can with anything i do, especially with this. It is not about one person having it all together leading another person to salvation, it to two broken people. That is a major difference. Charlie then there is nightingale. How did that happen . David the script came along and i didnt understand what i was reading. One guy in a house on his own for the whole movie. It starts with him having killed his mom. Who is going to stick around with this guy . I found the writing so audacious, he suffers from disassociative identity disorder. So there are different characters within him. Charlie this came before king. Who is peter . David Peter Snowden is a recluse, he used to be in the military suffering from ptsd, weighed down by unrequited love with an army buddy who he has convinced himself he is purely friends with. If you watch the film, he is very clearly in love with. He still lives with his mom. He has had a very heavyhanded upbringing. There is so much about him that is closeted and claustrophobic, and here he is in one house dealing with this terrible thing he has done. Charlie you thought idris would be a great james bond. David whats so funny in the soundbite age, i thought idris would be great in a row like a role like james bond. I feel like all the noise around him a leading man, jason bourne or bond, or mission impossible, the audience is telling our industry what it wants to see. Our industry is saying it has to be a white, good looking guy time and again. Television is showing us it doesnt have to be. The audience will stop watching if you dont give them what they want. Because it is a different perspective. It is reflective of the world we live in. I have a very real agenda of people of color being at the center of their own stories. So often we are on the periphery of stories. And that, images are political. You have to be part of the solution otherwise you are part of the problem. Charlie it is a pleasure to have you here. Thank you for joining us. See you next time. Emily chang by now, you know his story. 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