From our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Julianne moore has always disappeared into her roles, but never more so in her new film called still alice. She plays a linguistics professor who is confronted with early onset alzheimers disease. Variety magazine writes moore guides us through the tragic arc of how it must feel to disappear before ones own eyes accomplishing one of her most powerful performances. Heres a trailer. Welcome, dr. Alice. Thank you. I hope to convince you that by observing these baby steps into the into where the hell were you . Went for a run. I hope you enjoyed that because you completely blew our dinner plans. I need to talk to you. I got something wrong with me. What is going on . Oh, boy. Are you going to break up or . I have alzheimers disease. Earlyonset. I can see the words hanging in front of me and i cannot reach them and i dont know who i am. I dont know what im going to lose next. Millennium, hedgehog. I would like to see you go to college. You cannot use this situation to get me to do everything. Its not fair. I dont have to be fair. Im your mother. We have to keep the important things in our life going. We have to try or we are going to go crazy. It might be the last part of myself. Please dont say that. I am not suffering. Im struggling. Struggling to be a part of things. Stay connected. To live in the moment is really all i can do. Live in the moment. I spoke with Julianne Moore earlier this year in new york. Here is that conversation. There is a lot of buzz about this film. You went to toronto with the film. All of a sudden, there was no distributor and now there is because there was a sense of that this was a really special role and it was the right actress at the right time for the right character. We felt so fortunate. You never know what is going to happen without a distributor. We had a 4 30 screening on a monday which is not particularly auspicious. You go hoping people will see the movie and respond to it. When we walked out afterwards and heard the response from the audience, we were so delighted. We felt like we had a chance. Tell me about the film and your character. The characters name is alice howland. She is a 50yearold professor of linguistics at columbia university. She has been married since she was quite young and has three adult children. She starts noticing little slips in her memory and does not mention it to anyone. She gradually begins to realize something serious is going on. She goes to a neurologist and shes diagnosed with early onset alzheimers at 50. That means what . When youre diagnosed under the age of 65, it is considered earlyonset alzheimers. It is generally a different, maybe more potent form. Sometimes more faster acting. She is completely compromised in that point of her life. She ends up having to quit her teaching position. She actually ends up declining rapidly. The arc of a character. About who she is, what her essential self is, who are we when we lose how we define ourselves. Somebody that was primarily defined by their intellect so she is questioning who she is when that is no longer her strong suit. What can i do when i cannot do the things i do . How does she cope, present herself. How did you prepare . It was pretty extensive. I was so struck by the generosity of everybody i spoke to. It started with the National Alzheimers Association and they put me in touch with three women who i skyped with. One was a woman who was diagnosed at 45 and looked very much like me. She is redheaded. She was running an or and she started noticing that she was having difficulty learning a computer program. Diagnosed at 45 . 45. Then, i spoke to them and i went to mount sinai where i spoke to clinicians. I took a memory test. My results were normal thankfully. Then, i went to the new york Alzheimers Association and spoke to some women who were unbelievably helpful. I asked them what did they want to see depicted. What wouldnt i know . What did they say . They talked about the isolation. How difficult it was to find somebody who understood what was happening. The feeling of not knowing who they were. The people needed to understand how to communicate. There was one woman who said she was always defined by her ability of language. It was difficult for her to speak to people when they did not treat her as someone who possessed that intellect. What i came away with was how hard people worked to communicate and to maintain where they were. Not that sense of fading away. They continue to move forward. There are terrible moments where someone cannot recognize even a child. Friends of mine say it was the worst moment of their life. It is really awful. I dont know if there is anything people fear more than that lack of recognition. The other thing that was interesting to me is it is not about memory loss. There is a different kind of neurological reaction. Spatial issues. They may not understand the way a doorknob turns. There are many symptoms we dont know a lot about. Requires some sense of empathy. Yeah. I think it was your husband that said you had empathy. He said shes got empathy. That is what is great about acting. It forces you all the time to put yourself in someone elses shoes. What is most universal . What do i understand that this other person understands, so how do i enter into that life and understand it . I went to a longterm care facility. I was sitting outside a singing circle and the window was open next to me. The woman in front of me told me to get out of that draft. I said i was ok. Later on, i ran into her daughter and was telling her what her mother said. She said she was always worrying about other people. What was interesting was seeing how much that woman was still herself. She was still worried. The film is a bit of an action to. You watch this film and understand what it is like to live with alzheimers. At the same time, one of the executive producers, maria shriver, had someone who died with alzheimers. She has quite a bit of experience with it in her family. It is made it a mission to educate people about it and to raise awareness and hopefully money. Also in this film playing your husband is alec baldwin. I am told that was your idea. It was my idea i love alec. We had worked together on 30 rock and i adored working with him. I would get offered these comedies and id email him and he would always politely decline. Finally, on one of the occasions he said, dont you have a drama for me . Well, i do, but i was worried the part was too small and he would not do it. He said yes immediately. Did he say why . He did not say a word. He just said i will do it. I felt so fortunate to have him there. He has such a huge passion for life. So much vitality, so much masculinity. To see somebody like that in that kind of in a real marriage, people depend on each other. You see a man try to hold onto that and deal with that loss. I think it is beautiful what he does. The interesting thing about you as well is people say you have chosen roles well. Here you are getting to star costar in the new hunger games. There are two of them coming out. Mockingjay part one and two. It is a huge film. You have chosen films like this throughout your career. Almost as if you said it is a role you want to play. This is something that i can really add value to. I never know what i want to play until i see it on the page. Sometimes people say in your ideal world what do you want to play . I dont know. When i read something and go that is what it is and that is what i want to do. I think the first time i saw the disease depicted from the inside, from the perspective of the person. So often, i think we see diseases from the point of view of the caretaker. This is really about what it means to experience this loss. Who are you . How do you represent who that person is through all the stages of the disease . Have you chosen well 90 of the time . I would say 90 is right. Maybe 10 to 15 . Because what happens if it does not work . If it doesnt work, if im on the set and i know it is not working, then i might be miserable and grumpy. This was an experience i wanted to have. I think there have been times where i was disappointed because it did not become what i wanted it to become. You blame yourself for that or the director . Myself. I feel like im responsible for all of my choices. Responsible for my work, every situation. I think ultimately i am the only one that controls whether i do something or not. Somebody said to me that you are a literalist. Im thinking about what people would describe. That you are a literalist in the sense that you like the script that is written. Unless it can be better. I worked with some magnificent writers. Then, youre like no, im not touching this. There might be some times see the script is not fully formed and then you say lets figure out the language. Im somebody who is language specific. Every word you use needs something. There is power and shape to that and meeting. So, i want to give it i want to give the language that authority. It is really important to me the words People Choose to express themselves. Have you been aggressive about your career or you let it come to you . I dont know well, there is not a lot we can do in terms of control. I was say the only control we have is whether i say yes or no because you cant make somebody offer you something. However, it is ok to say you want to play something. I have done that several times. It is because of your children that you ended up in hunger games. My son is 16 now. He read the books. He will appreciate you saying that. He read when it first came out and i actually bought him mockingjay. A couple of years later, my daughter who was 10 at the time had nothing to read. I picked up my daughters book and i tore through it. I downloaded the others onto my ipad and said these are great. They are phenomenal political allegory. I finished it and there was only one part i could play. I called my manager and said who was playing the character . Tell them i want to play it. Nominated for an Academy Award four times. Many expect five at the end of this month. Would you test for it if they asked and do they . They didnt. They gave me the part which was nice. I met with francis who is amazing. He is so prepared and articulate. We had a meeting and said this is how i see her and i would like to see her develop because she is a little bit of a cipher. I wanted to see a real political evolution with the character. He agreed with me. Luckily, i got the job, but i love it and my kids were so happy. Your character or the character of Philip Seymour hoffman are not the main characters. You are ancillary characters to the young stars. Young wonderful actors. I love the fact, when i read the book, it is political allegory with adolescent overtones. These dystopian stories, it comes to whether or not you have free well. In the world. Which is what teenagers are about. First time they are going to be like im going to make my own choices. What is going to happen to me and am i in control . These are all the questions in mockingjay. As an actor, a person, a parent, it is interesting to be in that kind of situation and to be ancillary. To know youre representing the adult world in a sense. That was really fun. You actually performed with Philip Seymour hoffman three or four times. Boogie nights. Yeah. Magnolia. It is hard to take the loss who had so much talent. You cannot necessarily understand their pain, but you can understand the loss of such an enormous talent. I think we all felt we were all devastated. I think everybody was clearly devastated by his passing. He was so tremendously talented and so empathetic and really special. In retrospect, clearly in pain which is heartbreaking because i think we all felt we wished there were something we could have done. Said something different. You know. If a young actress came up to you suppose you are giving a lecture. What would you say about acting . This profession that has been so interesting. You have to love it. If you dont like actually doing it, dont do it. If you dont like the process of sitting down and doing the scenes or being on stage or whatever if you dont like the doing, dont do it. Thank you for doing this. Thank you for having me. Bret stephens is here and is the Foreign Affairs columnist and Deputy Editor of the wall street journal. From 2002 to 2004, he was editor in chief of the jerusalem post. He won a Pulitzer Prize for his commentary in 2013. In 2012, he wrote an article for commentary magazine which has expanded into this book. It is called america in retreat upcoming global disorder. Im pleased to have you back to this table. When you say retreat, what do you mean . I think the president came to office very clearly telling americans that what he wanted most of all was nationbuilding at home. There was a policy there is no question some exceptions in which american policy was about pulling back from different corners of the world. We wanted out of the middle east because we thought no good could come with engagement. The problems like syria and iraq had no real Good Solutions and there was no upside. This is an important point. This goes back to some of the promises of the bush administration. We cannot solve the middle easts problems, the israelipalestinian conflict. We cannot put the Humpty Dumpty of syria back together. We cannot. We can try to keep our nightmares at bay. A smart Foreign Policy is not about making your dreams come true. It is about keeping your nightmares at bay. Like the president when he said dont do something stupid. That is the policy of inaction. That is a hippocratic oath in Foreign Policy. This is something very different. American leaders whether it is obama or whoever his successor is ought to come up as a matter of priority in december 2016 what are the five things as president i must not allow to happen. One is the nuclearization of iran. The other would be a even if it means attacking the iranians . Absolutely. A nuclear iran means a Nuclear Saudi arabia or turkey. The middle east will have five or six nuclear powers. There is a chance of some misunderstanding leading to a nuclear exchange. Imagine if saudi arabia and israel had Nuclear Weapons. Are they allied with saudi arabia against iran . They are today. Yes, for purposes of convenience but that is not a marriage of ideology and true minds. The possibility of dynamic instability is terrifying for any american president. You think about the cold war where you had a symmetrical balance of terror between the usa and the ussr and that was complicated enough to manage. Now imagine the most volatile region in the world, the most fanatical region in the world with five nuclear powers. Each of them trying to calculate should i strike first, should i wait . Itll be like europe on the eve of the First World War. What about irans desire for nuclear potential . There is no question they are not really interested in a final deal. There is no final deal that america could offer iran that they are prepared to accept. I dont think they feel they will face serious consequences from this administration at least. My prognosis is they are going to kick the can down this road through 2017. They will expand and extend the interim agreement, interim nuclear agreement. As harold mcmillan, the british prime minister, said about politics. He fears events the most. The israelis will sit still for \the israelis will sit still for only so long. This is a dynamic situation where things can happen in unexpected ways. What i worry about for america we are creating systems of dynamic unpredicted ability. When you look at the world today, what role does china want to play . China is very much like germany before the First World War. It wants its place in the sun. It wants to be recognized as a leading, if not the leading power in the world, but it does not know what that power ought to be about. It is a fundamentally insecure country. That is why i think you see this odd quality to chinese foreignpolicy. It is demanding respect but respect for what is not clear. My great fear for the chinese is not so much of it will continue to rise economically. But that rise will slow in a way to create a fatal gap between the expectations of the Chinese People and what the communist party is able to deliver. A rise of nationalism. Im always wanted to understand what is the quarrel with the president in the context of Foreign Affairs. We know at the time of syria when he did not strike, it was said the red line they had passed and they did not. We have others saying it was a smart decision. What Benjamin Netanyahu says and thinks maybe two different things. The israelis are nervous about what they say in public about American Foreign policies because they havent taken to the woodhouse onetime too many. I think what happens in syria was momentous. A president who repeatedly announces a redline we can have a discussion about whether it was wise to announce that redline. Nevertheless, it was there. Found a way to walk away from that redline in the face of 1000 or so people dying of gas. Set a terrible signal not with just to respect to syria but to the rest of the world. This is the same president that has been saying iran with a Nuclear Weapon is unacceptable. It sends a signal to the worlds revisionist regimes, countries that want to revise their local orders, that americas word is not altogether serious. There are no consequences if they misbehave. Is that what the israelis believe about this president . I think there was a turning point in september 2013 before then, if you ask most israeli decisionmakers, they would say in the final analysis this president will act to prevent iran from getting a Nuclear Weapon. After that, the consensus was he will never act. Two problems for us on the one hand, the world rogues think they could do what they want without consequence from the u. S. On the other hand, our traditional allies like the saudis, taiwanese, even central europeans, start to need to think about devising a Foreign Policy in a posttax americana world. We are better served when those countries choose not to freelance their foreignpolicy. If israel were to strike iran, that might cause us to be involved but in a manner that is not of our choosing. That is a dangerous world to live in. The israelis think the u. S. Wont strike, they will strike. I have to be intellectually honest. I have been predicting an israeli strike for so long that i kind of have to scratch my head. One possibility is they have been bluffing which would be very dangerous. Secondly, they have been trapped in diplomatic ember because they are waiting for resolution to the negotiations. The third possibility is in the final analysis they are going to act. The question is whether a country that is ultimately a small is israel really has the wherewithal to have a sustained military campaign over a number of other countries that would be required to really significantly damage the Iranian Nuclear capability that makes the strike worthwhile. Your assumption is that the American Public wants the United States to be the worlds policeman. That is what they want. If in fact that is more important than nationbuilding at home which is the argument made by a number of people, including george bush at one time. What i think every american president we dont want to go around the world nationbuilding, that was the theme of this campaign. What most americans understand is we have to be strong at home in order to be strong abroad but since harry truman said we also need to be strong abroad in order to be strong at home. That the security of an ally like south korea which we stood up in 1950. West berlin. All these frontiers of freedom matter to our prosperity at home. That was the essence of the truman doctrine in 1947. That was the essence of all american policy from truman through george bush senior and even clinton. It is a very different world because you had two superpowers against each other and that is not the reality today. We face a situation in which there is the default position we have had and very beneficial for americans. We count the costs of it and forget the great benefits of it. What are the alternatives . What other forms of global order can you construct . Do you want the u. N. To take charge . I wish it would but they never do a good job it. The balance of power we had on the eve of the First World War . We are 100 years out from those days. I dont think that is a good idea. By the way, is that third possibility democratic peace. Countries moving towards the end of history, has that been realized . What were left with is the reality in the absence of american power, america as a policeman but not a priest, we are going to create or allow power vacuums to emerge around the world. The problem i have with that argument is i dont think anybody is saying we want to be a priest and not a policeman. They are saying the world has changed and how we decide the best and most effective way to do that is exercise in different ways. Therefore, there are costs and consequences to military engagements over the last 15 years. There is no question that politics is an art of breaking prudential adjustments about what your maintaining a stable world. Trying to shape patterns of behavior. I listen to you say that. I think that is exactly what president obama would say. Would you disagree with that . We are trying to figure out ways we can have influence within the realities of todays world. Let me put it in a way that he would not agree with. Maybe i was speaking in terms that are too general. The United States should not be conducting a Foreign Policy based on pivots. The interests are global. We cannot pretend asia one Place Matters more than another. We pivot to asia and we realize we have a problem in ukraine. We need to figure out what are the fires that burned down the neighborhood, what are the fires that burned themselves out . What are the countries that we must defend, what are the guarantees we must make sure are good and which are the ones we can let go . The biggest Security Threat to the United States today is . The biggest Security Threat is the prospect of the nuclear station of iran. Second . Accidental or not so accidental war between china or its neighbors. Japan . The philippines, japan, taiwan. Think about the origins of the First World War. It began at the pinky finger of europe. What we learned is that sometimes a minor spark are the far peripheries which could move very quickly to the center if equities are at stake. Most of us have never heard of this. The islands in the middle of nowhere. Yet, because of our treaty guarantees to the japanese. Because of chinese claims to these islands which the chinese it is not unrealistic to imagine an accidental conflagration leading to something much more serious over something so seemingly trivial. Lets talk about terrorism and how we deal with the threat of some caliphate in some Islamic State in between syria and iran. You talked about Islamic State and the work caliphate. We are dealing with a caliphate, at least as they imagine it. The state has borders. Every state knows that at some point there are borders and seeking to define those orders. A caliphate does not have borders. They see themselves as extending as far as it can go. You have to worry. We talk about isis or isil in syria and iraq. What keeps it from moving into jordan, the peninsula in egypt . What about lebanon . We have to ask ourselves we cannot imagine this is a problem being contained in the remote desert area. It is spreading and will continue to spread unless it shrinks and ultimately goes away. You have to do that in a shock and awe campaign. You have to do it mindful that we are not going to have a permanent solution in iraq syria not one we are politically or militarily willing to impose. What we can do is change the military dynamic. Lets not imagine our problem is simply isis. We also have a problem with the syrians and the iranians. How it the ukraine a space that those syrians that dont want to be members of the strong force whether it is the assad regime or isis. Start off by creating a nofly nodrive zone in syria. It creates the possibility it still exists of safeguarding and creating a genuine third alternative. Of all the people that might seek the republican nomination for president in 2016, does one of them or more reflect your own views more than the others . I wrote this book in a sense with them in mind. I started it two years ago without knowing exactly who the field would be. I dont know. What i do know is the one who least reflects my point of view is rand paul. He is a work in progress, no question. There was no question he is not simply his father just like as george w. Bush was his father. He is taking it is a view that is similar to what brock obama argues. He wants nationbuilding at home. He wants to retreat for bigger government. Rand paul want to do it for the sake of smaller government. I know that is a caricature. When rand paul makes the case that somehow we are bankrupting ourselves in foreign adventures, that is not true. Let me move to other candidates. Jeb bush. Does jeb bush have a Foreign Policy . I dont know. The question is is he going to be so snakebit by the association with his brother. That he is going to seek some other Foreign Policy or is he going to endorse it . It is a pleasure having you here. Pleasure to be on the show. Bret stephens, Pulitzer Prizewinning columnist for the wall street journal the book is called america in retreat the new isolationism and the coming global disorder. I suspect these ideas will be central to the debate about the next american president. Back in a moment. Stay with us. Riccardo muti is here. He is one of the greatest conductors working today. He has led some of the worlds best orchestras, including the Vienna Philharmonic and the philadelphia orchestra. He became the 10th music director of the chicago Symphony Orchestra in 2010. Heres a look at a performance of beethovens fifth. He will lead the chicago Symphony Orchestra and three concerts at Carnegie Hall beginning january 30. Im pleased to have him back at this table. Welcome. Thank you. Is that the happiest moment for you when you are there with a good orchestra, with music and composers that you like leading them . This is a good question. Many people feel extremely happy on the podium. I feel always that to conduct a great orchestra in front of the public that knows what they are listening, it is a big challenge every time. You cannot be completely happy. Is it thrilling to be there . And each time, think i can get it better this time . Every time. One of the most difficult moments is the end of the performance because if the public likes the performance the public applauds. Sometimes with Standing Ovations and the public if you are honest with yourself, you start to think about all the things you did not achieve. You have to smile to the public leaving the impression that you are happy. It is a contradiction. Is there a metric for the perfect conducting of a symphonic piece . There is no way to measure it is perfect or if it is the best because there is no real judge. Perfection does not exist. And you can try all your life to discover some of the truths that is in a score. You are faithful to what is written in the score but it is not just one part of your work. Behind the notes, you have the universe. The truth with a capital t. You cannot possess, cannot reach that point because if you are able to know the universe behind the notes, you are god. And you are not god. We all have a little piece of that. We altogether become god. Altogether. Because altogether we can have the real truth. The complete truth, nobody has not even the critics. [laughter] but, it is the pursuit of that that makes a lifetime in music so exciting. Unique, yes. That is the pursuit of that. It takes the entire life. I remember when i was a music director in florence and there was 27 years old, the founder of the festival. One of the greatest conductors of the time. He was still alive in florence. He was 90 years old. When we met he said to me, what a pity to be near the end of life when i was starting to learn how to conduct an orchestra. That didnt mean 1, 2, 3. It means being able to get out the musicians feelings. That is conducting, not jumping on the podium and making all kinds of noise. Getting the best out of the musicality of the musicians. Especially when you reduce, reduce your beat. The great conductor who died said to me one time what would be so wonderful if one day we could conduct an orchestra without moving our arms. Many times, the conductor is for the public to enjoy the music because we are becoming more and more a visual society so we are attracted by what we see on the podium more than what we hear. What do you think you have accomplished in the past five years since he began in 2010 . First, more and more i would like and love the city. I think chicago is one of the most beautiful cities in this country. It is really a beautiful city. The public, the people are really what we think are the real americans. No. Strong shoulders. Then with the musicians, in five years we did not have one time a friction. It was always a wonderful time to be together. I think working together, as every conductor brings, i have brought part of my culture. I come from europe and the mediterranean. I think we italians, especially the italians of the south, we have this kind of sense of delight of the beautiful sunshine that we bring into the music. Melancholy. Full of light. You have also said the next five years are much more important. Yes, we are really one body now together. We have to use the chicago symphony and the music to heal as much we can do the world because the world is an incredible difficult time. Bloody time. The music is the only music does not bring words generally. Pure music itself words are the problems. In life. Because with words you can save life. With words you can offend. Especially when you say the truth you can offend somebody. If somebody says you are ugly, you are saying the truth sometimes. \ when you came to chicago, you left lascala . After 19 years being together with the musicians and the many good things we did around the world, it was a big problem between me and him. Big friction. Two different views, visions. That brought this fight which sometimes happens in italy they became political. Some workers were on the left, some were on the right. It became a problem of unions. Instead of being artistic, and became political. When the politics comes into theater, it is better for the musician to go away. At the same time, i have heard conductors and say to me they tire of this sort of responsibilities of a conductor or the music director of the symphony because of fundraising, because of entertaining, because of all those other things that have to do with maintaining the orchestra, but not leading the orchestra. Yes. It depends very much on the people that are working for the orchestra. In chicago, it is very wellbalanced because the sponsor is bank of america which has been very helpful and still very helpful. We have a family, sam and helen, they are friends of mine. They gave a huge contribution to the orchestra for the chair of the music. Staying together one or two times a year, it is pleasant. Are you going to take the orchestra to cuba . I hope because that would be a statement of friendship. As nixon when he went to china the philadelphia orchestra went. That was one of the cultural statements. It helped. When we went to japan the first time, it was such a revolution. Even in the restaurants, the french restaurants, they lost their competition with the italian restaurants. What would you conduct at Carnegie Hall . Three programs. Quite interesting because we bring two symphonies. It is one of the greatest composers of the Russian School together with the others. We do the first and the third symphony, the divine poem of the symphony. In the first program, we do the piece dedicated to the sea. Prosperous voyage. Then the first part is dedicated to the sea. The Second Program is the concerto number two. Then a german program. The Third Program will be the fifth symphony. And then one we did in chicago a few days ago. Having one day before another which is a great film. In two years time, we will do another product of the collaboration between a film director and a great composer which would be ivan the terrible. The 125th season of the orchestra . Yes. It will be the third opera. I did mcbeth and this will be the end of the season. It is an opera i have done many times. I recorded and made a video. It is an italian baritone. It started with me. I worked with him and made him sort of falstaff of today, not because he is large. He is the right voice for this role. Are you concerned about the future of music and the future of symphonic music . I think the music will not disappear because if it does, it means mankind is gone. Humanity is. Im thinking which would be the future music will exist. But, will change completely, especially the new music. I think all this cultural influences that we are having from different parts of the world from the east china korea, japan and south america and other parts of the world. This globalization even if it is a bad word i hate the mixture of all these cultures coming together will bring new language in music. Maybe well bring also a better relationship between public and composers because now the distance between the public and the composers that are writing music is too wide. This makes very difficult for the new music to survive because we have thousands of composers around the world. They write their music. When we conduct the score one time or two times, we feel morally in order. And then we forget the piece the second performance and the public also. The composers we had at the beginning of the 20th century with their life also the music is gone. That means we have to find in the future a way that composers and the public can communicate much more than today. It is great to have you here. Welcome to new york. All the best for you. Riccardo muti. Thank you for joining us. See you next time. We are live from new york and pier 3 in san francisco. I am pimm fox, in for cory johnson. Here is a check of your top headlines. Stocks in the United States rallied into the close today. The dow and s p 500 posting gains of more than 1 each. Energy stocks were some of the big winners after crude oil prices gained more than 3 . The gains come even as manufacturing and Consumer Spending showed big declines in december. 21st century fox a