Transcripts For BLOOMBERG Charlie Rose 20141223

From our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Me the who hasen been naughty and who has been nice list, and im going to use it to take your questions. Thank you, mr. President. North korea seems to be the biggest topic today. What does a proportional response look like to the sony hack . Did sony make the right decision in pulling the movie, or does it set a dangerous precedent based situation . Ent let me address the second question first. Sony is a corporation, and it suffered significant damage from the threats against its employees. Im sympathetic to the concerns that they faced. Having said all that, yes, i think they made a mistake. In this interconnected, digital world, there are going to be opportunities for hackers to both inn cyber a false the private sector and the Public Sector. Our firstorder order of business is making sure that we prevent thoseto kinds of attacks from taking place. When i came into office, i set up a Cyber Security Interagency Team to look at everything that we could do as a government at the government level to prevent these kinds of attacks. We have been coordinating with the private sector, but a lot more needs to be done. We are not even close to where we need to be. We cannot have a society in someplace dictator can start imposing censorship here in the United States. Somebody is able to out ofate folks releasing a satirical movie, imagine what they start doing when they see a documentary that they dont like that says Something Interesting about north korea that they decided to have the state mount an allout assault on a movie studio because of a satirical movie starring seth rogen and james franco. And i love james, but the notion that that was a threat to them i think gives you some sense of the kind of regime we are talking about. They caused a lot of damage. And we will respond. We will respond proportionally and we will respond in a place and time and manner that we choose. It is not something that i will announce here today at a press conference. , we are gladba that the cuban government has released slightly over 50 dissidents, that they will be allowing the International Red cross and the United Nations human rights agencies to operate more freely inside of cuba and monitor what has taken place. Concerns of dissidents there and human rights activists that this is still a regime that represses its people. As i said when i made the announcement, i dont anticipate overnight changes. Bonesat i know deep in my is that if you have done the same thing for 50 years and nothing has changed, you should try Something Different if you want a different outcome. This gives us an opportunity for different outcome, because suddenly cuba is open to the world in ways that it has not been before. Travelingto americans there in ways that it has not been before. Its open to Church Groups , their fellow believers inside of cuba in ways they have not been before. It offers the prospect of telecommunications and the internet being more widely available in cuba in a way it has not been. Over time tom and that chips away at this hermetically sealed society, and i believe offers the best prospects then of leading to greater freedom on the part of the cuban people. I think it will happen in fits and starts, but through engagement we have a better chance of bringing about change and we would have otherwise. Resident in for the president of the United States and the president of cuba to make an announcement at the same time that they are moving. Owards normalizing relations there hasnt been anything like this in the past. Mean that over the next two years we can anticipate them taking certain actions that we may end up finding deeply troubling. Either inside of cuba or with respect to their foreign policy. That could put significant strains on the relationship. But thats true of a lot of countries out there where we have an embassy. The whole point of normalizing relations is that it gives us a greater opportunity to have influence with that government than not. I would be surprised if the cuban government purposely tries to undermine what is now effectively policy. I wouldnt be surprised if they take actions that we think are a problem. We will be in a position to respond to whatever actions they take, the same way we do with a whole range of countries around the world, when they do things that we think are wrong. But, the point is that we will be in a better position to actually have some influence. There maybe carrots as well as sticks that we can apply. Have you concluded it is not possible to break the partisan gridlock here in washington . I think there are real opportunities to get things done in congress. I think Speaker Boehner and Mitch Mcconnell said they want to get inks done. I think the American People would like to see that things get done. The question is going to be are we able to separate out as areas where we disagree and those areas where we agree. There will be some tough fight on areas where we disagree. If republicans seek to take healthcare way from people who just got it they will meet stiff resistance from me. If they tried to water down Consumer Protection that we put in place in the aftermath of the financial crisis, i will say no, and im confident that i will build uphold the veto on those types of provisions. On increasing american exports, simplifying our tax system, rebuilding our infrastructure, my hope is that we can get some things done. I have never been persuaded by this argument that if it werent for the executive actions, they would have been more productive theres no evidence of that. I intend to continue to do what i have been doing. Where i see a big problem, and an opportunity to help the American People, and is within my Lawful Authority to do something, i will do it. Sidebyside, i will reach out to members of congress, and say, lets work together, i would like to work with you. Six months ago i asked you what is the state of black america in the oval office, and you said it was the best of times and the worst of times. He said there has never been opportunity for africanamericans to receive a good education, and the worst of times for unemployment and the lack of opportunity. What do youthomas say to black americans as we talk about those issues . Like the rest of america, latin america in the aggregate is better than it was when i took office. The jobs that have been created, the people who got Health Housing equity thats been recovered, the 401 have been recovered, a lot of those folks are africanamericans here they are better off than they were. The gap between income and wealth of white and black america persists. Weve got more work to do on that front. Obviously how were thinking about Race Relations right now has been colored by ferguson, the garner case in new york, a growing awareness in the broader what many of communities of color have understood for a long time, and specifichat there are instances at least where Law Enforcement doesnt feel as if it is being applied in a colorblind fashion. The task force that i formed is supposed to report back to me in 90 days. Not with a bunch of abstract musings about Race Relations, bbut some concrete practical things that Police Departments and Law Enforcement agencies can begin implementing right now to rebuild trust between these between communities of color and the Police Department. One of the great things about the job is that you get to meet the American People. You meet folks from all walks of life in every region of the country. What i dont think is always captured in our political debate is the vast majority of people are just trying to do the right thing. People are basically good, and have good intentions. Sometimes our institutions and our systems do not work as good as they should. Sometimes, you have a Police Department that has gotten into bad habits over periods of time. Someas not maybe surfaced hidden biases that we all carry around. But, if you offer practical solutions, i think people want to fix these problems. Part of what i hope, as we reflect on the new year, is that we should generate some confidence. America knows how to solve problems. Together, we cannot be stopped. Now im going to go on vacation. Thank you, everybody. Joel klein is here. He is the ceo of amplify and also executive Vice President of news corp. He served as chancellor of the district. Ity cool he writes about this in a new book called lessons of hope. Im pleased to have joel klein back at our table. Welcome. What did you learn with respect to the eight years that you were chancellor here . What did you try, what did you succeed at . Not so much a record of your administration, but really a sense of what you learn about how we educate. And secondly, some sense of how far behind are we and how do we catch up . First of all, its really a pleasure to be here. Let me start with what i learned, which really surprised me, charlie. We are far behind, and is not just our poorest kids who are behind. Across the board we are not doing well. Countries like poland and vietnam outperform us. It is hard to believe. Despite that, there is a real resistance to change. There is a real sense that we ought to move slowly, that we dont need to get ahead of the game. To me, this is the most troubling thing. Day you and me are talking about inequality. One of the things we need to do that is really critical is improve education, particularly for kids to grow up in challenged communities. The things that work, there are several of them. The things that have been documented to work are creating more options for families. Up some 600 schools in new york city. In the course of 12 years, that is more schools in most cities have period, and we open them up. That created a lot of options for families and got more parents involved. 150 were Charter Schools and those Charter Schools are doing really well. So increased competition. The second big and we did is increase innovation, trying new and different ways to educate kids. Schools that are tied much more to careers for kids to give them high motivation. Not everyone is going to a fouryear college. Those are the big initiatives. There are lots of other things had a bigt those impact. I want you to underline what you and Condoleezza Rice said in a report, that is of what is act what is at stake here. The u. S. Future Economic Prosperity am a global position and physical safety. The u. S. Will not be able to keep pace, much less lead globally unless it moves to fix the problems it has allowed to fester for too long. Thats the consequence of not doing anything. Absolutely. And its staring us right in the eye right now. We are seeing day by day more and more kids falling behind, kids who are going to be unprepared. Right now, and the thing in the report that secretary rice and i did, three out of four kids in america or not even able to apply to the military, even if they wanted to get in. It is an amazing thing how underprepared we are. And the other issue secretary rice felt very strongly about, she always said in america its not where you come from, its where youre going to. Less opportunity and less social mobility. Here is one issue we talked about. Ahool systems in america are governmentrun monopoly, dominated by unions and political interest and not subject to the kinds of accountability and competitive advantage that breed successful organizations. Its absolutely true. Steve jobs said the same thing. And about it, and america, people want choices. Everyone i know wanted a choice for his or her child when it came to schools. The kids in the worst neighborhoods, its one and done, a monopoly set up. If you give people a choice, two things follow. Parents get more involved in their kids education and you begin to be a competitive environment. Those 650 schools that mayor bloomberg opened for all critical. They were all schools of choice. They were schools of choice and nobody had to go there. And those schools all got results. Thats why we need to open up the system, let it air out and stop thinking that only the beernment on school and successful. There are people who say that a more futuree look and an entrepreneurial look and are open to more competition than they are given credit for. I hope thats true. There were some things in new york that led me to think that. I think its a mixed racket. I talked a lot in the book about the most famous of the Union Leaders in new york city. On thesevisionary issues. He was the one who actually called to support Charter Schools. I think the hope is that the , a lot ofite frankly people really want to see education improve. I will give you one fact that i think would shock most people. Half the people who go into teaching leave in the first five years. If half our doctors are loggers laugh lost their careers if half our doctors or lawyers left their careers, we would have a crisis. The teach for america kids, many years, teach for several or one part of a multipart solution. Is all this in new york. Recent studies show that under mayor bloomberg, the number of teachers who were higher performing were doing better in college, better on the sats, increased or medically. So we can do this, but its going to take willingness. I always tell people, what i learned is, despite the need for compelling change, big change, the resistance to change at the bureaucratic, political, and union level was high. With all those things bind, i assume the unions had political power and therefore at the electoral level, people are you got it. What would change that . Quick several things. More information, getting. More involved. You saw in new york when they tried to curtail torta schools. 11,000 parents went to albany to protest. Getting clearance involved, getting people involved, being it. To match seeing democratic mayors like johnson, rahmevin emanuel. These people are taking on Michelle Rhee in washington. They are taking on these issues. I think you are seeing the change. There is beginning to be a growing urgency. People know the course we are on is not a winning course. You ask if or how bad it is. Its really bad, and a lot of our kids are unprepared. When i started school in new york city in the 1950s, about 60 of our workforce were high school dropouts. Thats no longer the case. Kids are underprepared in college. Kids who dont have the requisite skills are going to get dealt out of the labor market. Talk about professionalize teaching. If we dont get beyond collectivebargaining to a true profession like lawyers and doctors, with the kind of thing like a bar exam, with rigorous requirement. If you look at a place like finland, like korea, these are places that are perfection lies in their teaching core. Enabledtiate their pay, them to progress, pay them more, which we are not doing right now. All of those things. If you really want to change one major thing, make teaching a profession. Ipals . About princ no school works without great leadership. Charter schools are one choice and there are other choices you can list. There are those who say that those who are in favor of Charter Schools are too quick to be blinded to the fact that many of them are not as good as they aght to be, and then its not 100 percent success story. I agree with that completely. In new york we have studies that show that as a group they did much better. I think it is a false dichotomy. Whether its Charter Schools are traditional Public Schools, what parents want, what anybody wants is a good school. Charter schools give you the opportunity to increase the numbers. ,n your state of North Carolina one school is doing an incredible job and in a Rural Community is getting great results. Thats what parents want. Politics or what Charter Schools are about. What im about is good schools. But it is many of them as we can and lets give people choices. I wouldy i know says never pick a Neighborhood School for my kid if it is good. If its not good, ill move worked with him in private school or whatever. Why should poor people be told, its one and you are done. Oh therefore the answer for poor people in their neighborhood is to improve their anools, all offer them alternative in their neighborhood, or bust them somewhere else . Offer an alternative in their neighborhood. For 20,000 city, Charter School seats, 70,000 families applied. That speaks volumes. Hemischools were under your jurisdiction . 1750. N we finished, about how many do you think were performing at a level of success that was appropriate or satisfactory . That is the critical question. The first answer is, a lot more than when we started. Probably around 6070 . Quick so you ended up with 6070 doing as well as they ought to do. Exactly. When we started, it would have been about a third. So almost a doubling. There are still a lot of schools in new york that need a lot of improvement. Its the difference between success and failure was what . Basically poor academic standards in the school. Im not talking about measurement, im talking about what you were able to do to impact change. Getting good quality teachers on leadership, if parents didnt want to go to school, in some schools you could do that and some you could not. In those in which you could not, it was because . Its a large, complicated system and your ability to would close 150 schools in our time because they were not performing well. You have to have a whole poplin schools to come in behind him to make sure they are right. If you dont have the right mix of schools, you cannot just shut things down. , butde a lot of changes what i say in the book, which is true, we made real progress, but not enough. We have to accelerate the progress. Creating a system of choices, number three is the use of technology which is the area youre working with now in the private sector. Card on the use of technology in our Public Schools. This is really the earliest stages. Everybody has been through digital revolution in america. Every industry has changed. Education has been the resistor. But that is beginning to change. Bringing in technology to help these kids and help these teachers. Give teachers the tools. Teachers. Ot of lets give them a curriculum thats rich and engaging. Do the kind of school we did with ibm, which has become a national model. Years ofs through four high school, two years of community college, and gets a certificate by ibm and they get a job at ibm. Lets develop those kind of new and different models. How long would it take for technology to transform education . Are beginning to see it at the College Level already. I read in the paper the other day where people at yale are taking a Course Online at harvard. Imagine that. Silicon valley has a lot of people with a real interest in education. 200 20kerberg dropped million on Public Education in new york and san francisco. Thats a lot of money, but he can afford. Is an outstanding spokesman for Charter Schools. Handing out scholarships to kids who are willing to give up the university in favor of selfeducation. Bill gates and the people who educate themselves all dropped out of college and they did just fine. And i think peters idea is interesting. What zuckerberg is doing, i think trying to get behind us and support people, he gave us 150 million in new york. I talk in the book about having wanted to sue bill gates. We were on the show together at one point back then. He has backed it up with money. I put a blurb on the back of my book. What Reed Hastings is doing for Charter Schools, and he is also doing technology, its really powerful stuff. What about this Company Called amplify . Technology,cation just what we were talking about. We are developing curriculum and applications. Who is it for . For teachers in Public Schools in the country. So if you are a teacher you can go to amplify and by what . Software that will sync with lessons. Its mostly brought by the school district, not at the teacher level, but its a complete, comprehensive curriculum. For example, while your teaching shakespeare, you can have it acted on the same page as it is written. A lot of the work that a teacher might otherwise have to do, we do for you. What is your heart more in education than anything else . Is that where your head and heart is . It is. It is the issue for this country. There is no more pressing issue for america. When he came to this, how much experience if you have an education, other than your own personal experience . Not a lot. I had done some teaching, but not much. I came to it with a passion, but i came as an outsider. I think she wanted someone who was not going to be captive to the bureaucracy, not someone he thought was going to be at a small setng of changes. What i heard from the mayor was that he needed someone to come in with energy who is unafraid politicallylot of entrenched interests. I would have to hire people who knew teaching and learning. I put together a team. I wanted leadership at the top that was really prepared to make the big changes and not the small changes. Crocs what is the difference between the positions on education as expressed by prior mayor Mike Bloomberg and present mayor, bill de blasio. How are they different in the policies they want to see to improve education . Probably the main difference is, the former mayor, mayor bloomberg, was very much in favor of creating new options and a lot of new choicebased schools. This mayor is much more focused on fixing the schools that are in the system now. Down 150r mayor shut schools. This mayor says he doesnt want to go that way. To shut downike schools, is what he says. What is the difference as you as School Chancellor while you were there and the new School Chancellor . Pretty similar in the main policies. There was an alignment between mayor bloomberg and me and there is an alignment between this chancellor and the mayor. Do you have different views on Charter Schools . Fundamentally. We were eager to shares face with them. To utilize space and make it available. It was critical to what we were doing. In new york, real estate is prohibitively expensive. The way we grew the charter sector was by providing space. We wanted to create options and one of the things im most proud ares that 75,000 families applying for 20,000 seats in those Charter Schools. Ande are families in harlem Bedford Stuyvesant and crown heights. These are not families with lots of options. So it speaks volumes, i think. Should there be public support of Charter Schools . Of course there should be public support. The money basically should follow the child, it shouldnt follow the school. When you can create more options and give kids and families options, thats the right way to do it. What does it matter to me if the kid can get a good education in ps eight, thats great. If she wants to ghost to success charter, if she wants to go to success charter, that is even greater. What should the Public Sector pay for . The facilities, the teachers . Lets say the average kid in new york cost 20,000. What if it is a Religious School . That raises other issues. In new york we did not push for taking it to the private sector but we did take into public Charter Schools. Argument, there are places in the country where people are taking those additional dollars and going to private schools. In your, we did not go that way. Has president obama done everything that you think he could have done to change education . I think he has done a lot. He has pushed hard on prek, which i am big on. We are starting kits way too late. The average kid from the poor immunity started school with about 20 vocabulary for middleclass communities. That is a huge gap. So starting them earlier. Second, the race to the top. I thought president obama hit all the right notes where he did support Charter Schools but he did support accountability in Holding People to account based on student progress. No president is going to do i thinkng you want, but this president and secretary duncan have done a good job. Where have they failed . I think we need to accelerate the pace. I would like to see more federal moneys committee. I would like to see more money paid. For example, we have shortages of good math and science teachers. You know from all the work youre doing, stem, science, technology, engineering and math, is so critical to the future of this country. Talking about silicon valley, the capital of the stem world. We are short in new york and chicago and elsewhere. Federal governments should create stipends to get our best educators into science and math. Joel klein, thank you. We will be right back. Stay with us. Next theres one person who probably sees the president of the United States more than the first lady, his children, or chief of staff. He is petes is a, the official white house photographer. He was also Ronald Reagans white house photographer. We are pleased to have you here, pete. You are omnipresent at the white house, virtually every day. In, or are they always cognizant that you were there . I tried to blend in. I work with what i call a small foot written. I dont use flash, i use quite cameras, and i try to blend in as much as i can. I think everybody now is used to me break being around after six years. You see more history than almost anyone. Recently you were in the oval office. You took a picture, the president was there, his National Security advisers were on the sofas and chairs, and he was talking to raul castro. Was there a sense that it was an extraordinarily historic moment at the time . I think there was. Ofre was definitely a sense this is history happening. During that call. You say i took a picture, actually i took many pictures. The challenge sometimes is trying to find the right picture for the occasion. In this particular one, i went directly behind him for a few shots, because i thought that added to the weight of the moment. Here we are in the oval office, you dont even need to see his face. Just the fact that hes talking for the first time in 50 years , and thatsin cuba the picture that we decided to release. The picture will be shown for decades and decades. One of the most poignant of many of the poignant pictures you in Nelson Mandela cell, robben island. The president is hugging his daughter, sasha. That mustve been quite an emotional moment. It was. The interesting thing is that the tour guide was actually a former prisoner of robben island, someone who had served in prison with Nelson Mandela. The fact that he was able to take his girls to that cell and have them hear firsthand from someone who was also in prison a very think was just emotional to her for them. The whole day mustve have been emotional, but that particular picture its one of those things where its just a moment in time , where they are having this tour, and i dont know exactly ,hat the tour guide had said and sasha just kind of leaned into her dad and he gave her a hug. It was a splitsecond moment that fortunately i was able to capture from just outside the cell. Thought wasicture i quite poignant that you captured was in the oval office. The president is talking to a group of, i think, young black students. What was so striking about the picture was, you had a bust of Martin Luther king, a portrait ,f Abraham Lincoln on the wall and americas first africanamerican president talking to these black students. One of the things im cognizant of when im photographing at the white house is trying to incorporate the historical elements that are on the walls into my photographs. This was actually a group of young civil rights leaders, any of them who had protested in ferguson, many had protested in the sea. He invited these young civil rights leaders to the oval was anfor i think it hourlong meeting. This was when the meeting had just broken up. Throughout the meeting, i was trying to get Martin Luther king into my photographs, the bus, and it just wasnt working the way where the focus was. I thought about that ahead of time. Then at the very end when they were getting ready to leave, the president stopped momentarily to stay to say last few words to them and that was the moment i made sure that i positioned myself to get in front of the that as ad used crucial part of the photograph. With lincoln on the wall. Do you ever tell the president ahead of time that you want to do a certain angle . I dont. All the documentary photographs that i have made our candid. Dont direct anything does he ever complain about your pictures . Occasionally. [laughter] you didnt get the right angle . No, just sometimes my artistic ability is not always greatly appreciated. You have been there for some very tense moments, too. Theres a classic picture you took as they were awaiting in the white house word on whether bin laden raid was successful or not. The president sitting there, Hillary Clinton has her hands on her face. There was just great tension. Describe the scene that day. Isthe situation room actually comprised of three different Conference Rooms. Normally the president is in the large Conference Room, but for pointthey had a mutations that was linked into the small Conference Room. So that all left the Conference Room and walked across the hall and as you can see in the photograph, theres not a lot of space in this room. Splitsecond a decision on which corner of the room to go into, and i think i ended up choosing the right side of the room. A lot of people have made comments about two things. One, why isnt the president seated at the head of the table. The reason was that this Brigadier General who was kind of monitoring the communications , he was about to give up his seat for the president , and the president said no, you stay where you are. I will just pull up a chair over here. The other comment people have made is, why does hillary have her hand up to her face . She and i had talked about it, and we went back through all the pictures. If you go through the whole take, throughout the 40 minutes they were in that room, you know, bob gates, joe biden, they all had their hand up to their faith at some point. It was very tense in there. Was there much conversation . Very little conversation. Occasionally the Brigadier General would say this is what is taking place, but very little conversation. Just intense focus on what they were watching on the screen. I sort ofthing that take pride in, one of the things that hillary did say was that she didnt even realize there was a photographer in the room. I feel i was doing my job of blending in. You had to airbrush out a document which because it was a classified document sitting on the table. Is that controversy all . Does that happen often . Beforeave never done it and have not done it since. I actually tried to get the document declassified, but the cia didnt want to declassify the document at that time. I just felt that it was such an , as did myhotograph colleagues in the communications office, that we decided to pick lize the document so you couldnt see it, but then make sure that people understood at it, but then make sure that people understood that we had done that. Thatt that in the caption we had obscured the document,nd the New York Times ran it as did multiple magazines. I think they felt that it was not an impediment to using the photograph. Quick who makes the decision to distribute a photograph . Ultimately it is the press office. I have a big role in which , but iaphs you choose someoneake sure that has eyes on the photograph. Can someone just veto it if they dont want it out . It happens very rarely. It just doesnt happen that often. Quick speaking of tense moments, you also have just a stunning picture of Ronald Reagan and Mccall Garver job after the reykjavik summit and Mikhail Gorbachev after the reykjavik summit collapse. That is a grim looking president. To put it mildly, he was the way the summit ended. They came close to a huge agreement and it kind of blew up at the end. Warlikefeels very cold as theyre walking to the limousine and having the last conversation. This is the photograph that you referred to. Makes you didnt see that side of reagan often, did you . That really angry no, his disposition was much like president obamas in the fact that he didnt get really mad that often. But occasionally he did. Youre with him right afterwards. Anger evident in his conversations as well as the pictures . Yeah, right after the photograph was taken, they stopped in front of the president s limousine and had a final conversation, he and gorbachev. He was the only u. S. Person there, and i helped larry speaks it was a Deputy Press Secretary at the time, i helped explain to him what was said. It was very tense at the end, for sure. There are some fun moments, too. Theres a great picture you have of John Travolta and Princess Diana dancing with the president and nancy reagan looking on, just a wonderfully festive moment at the white house. That was quite the night. Ploywas all a mrs. Reagan him in that Princess Diana, one of her favorite actors was John Travolta. The she made sure that John Travolta was invited to this thatr, and she made sure the marine band that you see on the right side there played a medley from saturday night fever , which is what they were travolta then went and asked her to dance. You see him whirling her around the dance floor. And she was sure youre going to take a picture of that . Well, this picture was not released until the end of the administration. Think the thought was at the time that this was not a state the prince ofe wales is not a head of state. It was a private dinner. There was some agreement with not to makealace any of these pictures public thomas and then at the end of the administration, life magazine made a big push to try theublish this photo in 80s decade issue. They went to Buckingham Palace and asked if this photo could be released, and thats when it was released. I think it was in 1989, so it was like three years later. But you also have a couple of wonderful pictures of the gipper riding horseback. He was never happier, was he, than when he was out there riding his horse . To rancho deoing lllo and riding his horse, bean. He definitely enjoyed riding horses. Shot, a picture of barack obama being attacked by young spiderman. Tell us the background, who was it . This is the son of one of his aides. Just a little bit of the back story, every year the white house hosts a Halloween Party in the Old Executive Office building, which is part of the white house complex, for aides to bring their kids. It doesnt involve the white , its in the executive office building, but the president secretary invited him to bring his son over to the Oval Office Just to see the president. Spiderman, so as there was this kind of moment where the president said why dont you tangle me in your web . And the president puts his hands up. It was kind of fortunate that he is also reflected in the mirror, which became just a nice little element to that photograph. Pictures, a number of one of obama standing at the desk in the oval office, one of reagan sitting there. You see them often when they are alone. There is a lonely quality to commander inef chief. There is, but i think both president that i have covered closely from the inside are very comfortable in their own skin. Of makingly in terms big decisions, because ,ltimately it comes down to you but i think there is that famous withgraph of john kennedy his back to the camera leaning on the little table behind the resolute desk, and it evokes that loneliness. At the fact of the matter is, he was reading a newspaper. The reason he was standing was because of his bad back. The point being, its easy to read into a photograph and say the presidency is so lonely, when he interacts with so many people throughout the day. Your old pals, you are still palace, your colleagues, complain about managed photojournalism. That they dont get enough access. Is that a fair complaint . Toi think its always ok make that argument. I work for the Chicago Tribune for nine years. I covered a little bit of clinton and a little bit of bush 43 so i understand those frustrations. But i fundamentally disagree, i really think this administration has done a really good job of bring photographers in. Kelly covered the first 100 days. And essentially has the same access i did for three months. With a dozenthat different photographers throughout this administration. You mentioned the castro announcement the other day. Doug mills from the New York Times was able to photograph the announcement as it happened. That was something that never happened before in this administration. They would always bring the photographers into the room after the speech to essentially do a fake photo of the president rereading his address or whatever. Now, there is always one photographer in the room in the speech is taking place. What was the biggest thrill for you, getting married in the rose garden, or being at fenway park and watching world series with the Boston Red Sox . That, it wasnswer getting married in the rose garden. You have had extraordinary seat in history and you do it superbly. Pete soza, thank you for being with us. Thank you for having me. Is all due respect to michael graham, its going to take more than a mere felony charge to get us to step down. On the show tonight, obama versus kim iran versus rubio. Todayress conference late , at new York City Police headquarters, i asked the mayor about how he is dealing with the crisis. City throughat the this very difficult