From our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. The judge is a new film directed by david dobkin. It features Robert Downey jr. And robert duval. Heres the trailer. The infamous hank palmer. A lawyer with no respect for the law. How does it feel, knowing every person you represent is guilty . Fine. Is there anything the council would care to ask . Is this the first time . First time. Grandpa palmer is dead, to zoo . He is grandpa palmer is dead, to zoo . He is dead to me. We can barely stand the sight of each other. Henry, judge. Hank, thanks for coming. I am sure your mother would have appreciated it. Hank palmer. It is the sheriff regarding your father. The biggest mistake of your career, when you happened to run him over . I sat on the bench for 42 years. We need to establish a storm firm defense. I can stay. He is your father. Im going to impale your client on the first degree charge and you will get a first row seat. I am memories. Why . Was i tough on you . Yes. I did what i thought was right. In my experience, sometimes you have to forgive in order to be forgiven. You and i are finally done. We are not done. Joining me now is the director and the films two stars. I am pleased to have them here. How did this film began . Was it inspired by personal things . A powerfulr was attorney and i got in trouble a lot. There was that. Mother gott my ill in 2005. We had had a tumultuous relationship. Negative. Position ofthe having to parent a parent was something i was unprepared for. And it kind of shocked me, took me by surprise. She passed away, i started to sketch out a story about a family who was dysfunctional and broken. The men in the family are left behind is to fill in the vacuum. What happens after that. The father is here and the estranged son. These are them. Tell me about hank. He has no conscious understanding of the crisis he is in. Imagines all the worldly success has distance him from this strained relationship with his dad. He doesnt want to deal with it. A daygoing to go home for or two and then get back to his miserable life. Why are they not happy . Why are they estranged . I know of no family in the world, and any continent or city, where families are not complex. In this specific case. It is a very successful son. You are in a small town where you mean something, your morality and proceeds. Your morality and prestige. He is in chicago. Gets off a lot of bad guys. Is a complex relationship. It goes way back. David always said it is like a western. About family,y not the drama of the trial. It is a family drama that takes place in a courtroom. A specific arena for the law. Different points of view. One man, it is about honor and the other it is about success. Did you write this with these men in mind . Very much so. I had written met robert a year before. I thought it would be exciting to see him in a role playing a normal guy. Just ripped down. Stripped down. He is one of my figure it favorite actors. I have always loved bobbys work. Actors whoo would not flinch or compromise. This is something that is not ironthe avengers or man. I think it is funny i have not been on the charlie rose show for five years. [laughter] i think theres a way and he has had the kind of career that demonstrates you can be in movies that are commercial and successful and still maintain a certain credit. You have been able to do that for as long as i can remember. The biggest movie i have been in since apocalypse now, 35 years ago. Days of thunder. Plenty of movies that have gotten a lot of attention. Thank you for that vote of confidence. Does it work at different muscles . Or in the end, is acting acting . There was something satisfying about this process with david. Getting as close as i have with you, the way we had to, because you are cohabitating in volatile situations. Then we are having lunch and dinner. Talking smack. This is the first production of team downey. Come my better half, has been a producer. They had worked together on a project. You know what happens. Actors get production deals and then they built low millions of dollars. We didnt take too long. There is plan b, these other companies that make it worth the while for studios. That is our intention. What is the hardest thing in terms of this venture for you . You had reluctance doing another courtroom drama. Bobby and i both initially sometimes i know im going to do something if i have a strong adverse reaction to it. There is resistance i dont want to say fear. If i am going to bare my soul, can i trust the environment . Can i trust that guy to have my back . That is a tenuous kind of sensitive thing to consider. Take a look at this. Heres a clip. Is that your new truck up front . Which one . Yeah. It is not an affirmation a man uses in court. Yes, sir. Would you give those to his exwife and escort him to his ex truck. Motors, go down to the ask for the father, and sell your new truck back to him for whatever you put down on it. One more word. Go on. You are standing in one of the last great cathedrals in this country. The premise that you alone are responsible for the consequences of your actions. We didnt see them together except for the cutaway to read the idea of creating chemistry. You dont know, walking in. Can you create it . Do things to make it happen . You can. We took a threeweek rehearsal process. It was unusual these days. We get to know each other. We help the chemistry build and when you are casting in your head, you hope you see with the. Ynamic is what shows up is something that is altogether its unique thing. In some movies, the Christmas Tree lights up. And others, it is not. Frankly, this one did. Did it light up for you . If you Start Talking and listening, nothing more than that. See where that goes. Then you will be rewarded around the corner for Something Better and higher. If you do that on a basic level. It is easy to do that. Getting a sense of who he is as a human being. As people, as actors. Not out here, you get it here. You go from there. If there is chemistry, it will build. If it is your in the supposed for if it is pure in the simplist form. The time he had bobby and vince and i, a great and bobbyng the young actor, was running the rehearsal. I dont want to say running. David had set it up so he had to do very little, just look and watch. By the time the improv was over, he canceled rehearsals. We had hit the critical mass. We were acting like a family. 90 minutes. 90 minutes of improv. He cast the characters as us and saw where it went. It is kind of a bonding process. Are ther actors here actors together in a breakfast scene. Hank, one some breakfast . Want some breakfast . Care to join . Saturday. Coffee . Lets go. Lets see you there, hank. I will be right along. Tell me about the scene in the bathroom. The scene in the bathroom. Everybody asks about it. Why do they . Graphic and ay negative. Sometimes people dont like to see those things but you have to show them. I was a little hesitant, stepping in your own crap is not so enticing. It orou decide to do commit, you have to just do it. All out without intellectual lizing. Watching these clips, i look at when the camera goes close on you, the whole story is told. I dont know how you develop that sort of skill. The bigger idea is what sort of risks are you willing to take. Are you a natural film actor . Are you brave enough to do something, if it does not go well, you could be ridiculed for . Like bobby said, it starts with incontinence and ends with a knock knock joke. By the end, it is the heart of the movie. It is him is like a theater piece. Because it is a transition moment . I dont know. You cant hold to your side of the argument when you are so clearly in need of assistance. Hank is the way david said it up, i was shocked. This feels really real. It is not even lunchtime. I was taken aback. It was the first time they left together in 25 years. That is the beginning of their healing process. You have to find the humor in a scene like that. This is almost like a theater piece. The actors should have a chance youo big, but by going big, have to do it within the confines of your temperament. You cant violate what your temperament says to do or not do. What were your objectives when he went to shoot this scene . There was an experience in my family that was close to that seen. Scene. That was probably the inciting incident of the movie. Emotionally and physically close to someone you had a volatile relationship with was a there was a short circuit that happened. People drop everything and get real. I wanted it to be offended and have integrity. It is a it feel like movie. I directed it to be shot and 1. 5 hours. We did three quick three camera setups to read it just happened. They were so brilliant and naturalistic. I know it was shocking for the crew. To kill a mockingbird was how many, 40 years ago . There is an Atticus Finch reference. That is one of the cultural references. We decided it was in there naturally to read naturally. Bill was the one who crafted a lot of the dialogue. So smartly written. The line is, everyone wan until theres finch is a dead hooker and a hot tub. Then you want someone like hn ank. You want someone who is going to win. If they are a snake, so be it. Evolution, of the did you come out of incarceration as a different actor . I wonder. I suppose not. It is itway of putting is like being stuck on the runway. Except that doesnt take a couple of hours, were there for days and days. Off, you just had toward the destination you were going to. In the larger sense, every experience has shaped the kind of artist i have become. Event you overcame or outlived, that becomes part of a reference. Bobby doesnt like talking about the stuff. There are a lot of different methods onset. It comes down to the experience you have had. I guess i would have to say yes. Thehere is some bit of great santini that came out of your relationship with your father . My father was very quiet. Your mother was the dominant force. He was an admiral . He went to the Naval Academy when he was 16. Theres another thing. Scooter ina salinas, kansas. Linas, kansas. There was a girl named stacy. I am sure she is still gorgeous. She jumped on the back of the scooter. We are in the middle of kansas and dad is making a movie with rough mashie oh ralph ma chiato. I felt like steve mcqueen. There is a great scene in the an opening scene just like that. Great writer. Some thought he might become another faulkner. That is the opening scene. On the back of a motorcycle. You are directing now. A movie . I directed a movie, yes. Are you finished . Yes. We are here to talk about another movie, but it was very for filling. Wild horses. James franco. He rides a horse. He didnt have to learn . He can vault and everything. We call him allstate. It was a great experience. You are developing at while we were shooting. Even when we were shooting, you i think i have the money. We had to recuperate from doing this movie. Bobby went and directed a movie. Cant wait to see it. Does it give you the same satisfaction as acting . I thicket is a continuation of acting. I think they are linked. Extension. It as an behavior. Would you put the apostle in terms of that . It was satisfying. I got a wonderful letter from brando on the wall. Brando enjoyed it and billy graham enjoyed it. The secular and the religious meet. You can do better than that. Do you like to direct . I will do it in the future. Right now i am seeing folks who have the energy, regardless of years, to do both. Susan has given me this great education in producing. After doing this with david, he is encouraging me to do it. I want to talk about the movie i havent directed yet. [laughter] assembling this cast, what were you looking for . Certain chemistry in terms of fitting the character you had in your mind . It is both. I put pictures of them on the wall. They matched your you slowly build the cast. In thes something chemistry and the visualization of the characters. I am always looking for who somebody is. To becomest people characters. I cast them for who they are and of whoal those aspects they are. I am looking for behavior. Were you looking for in your prosecutor . Fear. Who is a lovely and sweet gentle man, can be an incredibly powerful performer. I wanted someone i thought could be totally toe with robert and in a quiet and unsettling way. We are talking about a trial taking place for a hit and run. The sun trying to help his father in a bad place. Heres part of the dialogue between them. Stop the car. Stop the car. I need my walk. The scene. Blood, evidence, motive. Door. Se the if the blood matches, and i have no reason to doubt it does, i dont remember what happened. We need to establish a firm defense. We had to get the charges dropped and make it go away. There is no way here, henry. This was an accident. Decentdistant any lawyer can argue this honestly. Some buddy from here. With integrity. I wish i like you more. More. O like you disguise a great guy. This guy is a great guy. Listening to all the characters and the back story, in terms of maybe there is a child that hank may have left behind, at the end of the film, where do we find hank . Where was he going to be five years from now . We want to delete that a little bit open for interpretation. So few films do nowadays. There trying to get out of dodge as quickly as possible. By being pulled in, it was his salvation. There is the idea that the sea does not only open but calling for him. Chicagonicalities of a lawyer becoming a minister Court Justice in indiana are many. Courtadministrative justice in indiana are many. The interesting thing about thoseife beyond remarkable moments and inflection points is friendship. I read an account of what you l, who had been there for you, put you into a film when you needed to be in a film. And mel gibson . You stood up in a moment and said, we have to give this guy some understanding and a break. He made a mistake. He knows he made a mistake. I thought that said something about you. Loyalty is important. I believe it. Sometimes it takes a little more time. Thing shift and change. Our industry can be very forgiving. You need people to rally around you. That is what i had. Ditching know you are going to say it going up to the podium did you know you are going to say it going up to the podium . He was the recipient of the entire award. He turned his speech into a moment of saying, this guy behind me, it is time for you guys to drop it and move on. He was magnanimous. If you had and worked with him, would you still have said it . Even if we did not have a professional career, just thereg him as a man was this time when we were leapfrogging over each other from one faux pas to the next. He would say, i thought it was funny. What can i do to help you . When things shifted and it can change like that for anybody i also think when you are dealing with alcoholism, if everybody was judged, if every judged by the worst place in his life, and that became the headline by which we were holding up a feather, my god. Alcoholics used to be the pariahs of society. Now we understand it is a brain disease. There is dna. I dont know much. I try to keep up on the stuff. Just to put anything on it regarding mel, he is a National Treasure of ours. Sometimes people are difficult and cover gated kabul gated complicated. Because you are where you are. This is Robert Downey jr. Can you see your life that way . It ising through these, like a three act play. There may be three or four or five ask. Acts. Everybodys life, there is the story of their life. It is an interesting cover for a magazine i like to read. If sometimes i have to be the guy on the cover, you never read something that sums up the art of your life in a sentence. If you had a more troubled past, just imagine, you know to meet . What i mean . Well, no one found out. What you think that is true . In and otheru get guys did not in hollywood . Yeah. It is an important question. Perhaps helpful to people if they understand where you were. Ive done worse things than you did. Ultimately, runs on the letter going up. Runs going down rungs going down with exceptions to both. I have always had a good work ethic. Lord admiral told me this, 20 years Richard Attenborough told me this, 20 years ago. When you find your ambition. You stop thinking about yourself as someone on the outside and think about what is possible. Thought the he stuff would clear away. It was something that was aropos, not just for me but lot of other people he has worked with. Now that you are getting a shot at the title or you already won . I feel like caches clay c assius clay. He changed his name. Right after he won. Then i i am heartily am mohammed ali. There is a time of gloating, accomplishment. That is another false thing. What is the next moment, right thing to do . That is what has helped me transition. People tend to crash when lousy things happen and when great things happen. You also found love. Yeah, right. Mama downey. Executive Vice President at a firm . What she was, she was the ucers onset producer and we met in montreal. Only when you went back to l. A. Who pursued whom . [laughter] i was chasing her down hard. Ae is a very practical nice jewish girl from the midwest. Shes an want to get tangled up toh me she did not want get tangled up with me. We go out with this last seen. The two of them argue about who is more responsible for the relationship. This is our closing scene. Punishment for blowing up the mailbox. I was 13. You remember that. My highidnt come to school or college graduation. Truancy. Lawi graduated from hig school. Food in your mouth. Who paid for your college education, your mother . That is one of my favorite scene in the movie. We get to see bobby he is a lawyer. Hank is trying to put him on trial for the past. This has nothing to do with the murder. He crossexamined him. You win that case and say you are right. In the middle, he is cooperative a little throw me something and give me that towel. Best to all of you. Congratulations. Great to have all of you. Back in a moment. Lisa dwan is here. She is an actor performing three short one woman plays written by samuel beckett. She does not just uncover layers, she digs to the void between them. She speaks becketts text. She also listens and insist we listen to the quiet that surrounds them. A silence so profound that it feels like eternity. They are playing at the academy of music through october 12. I am pleased to have you. It is a pleasure to be here. It is my pleasure and becketts pleasure to have you there doing what youre are doing. How did this come about . Your own life circle, in terms of being introduced to beckett . I started off my life as a ballet dancer. I went to england as a ballet dancer on a scholarship. Knee injuries led me to fall into acting. I did tv series in ireland. I was acting in this one series with an actor who was part of the gate project. They were committing all of the becketts place to film. That was my landscape and bar when i came to theater. Was completely taken. You know what it was . Beckett does not preach. We spoke about harold pinter. They were friends. They were good friends. He is not standing over you with his hand over his heart. He is not trying to sell you anything or being sentimental. You are invited to bring your landscape. Actor, these characters are more like creatures. A slice of life. That is a very expansive landscape. The first opportunity you had was a couple of years later, i was sent a script. It was written like you music. With heard about the play a disembodied mouth eight feet above the stage that appears to move across the auditorium. Because of some to tory sensory deprivation. Each audience member has a unique experience. Text tohe spec to be spoken at the speed of thought. It is written like music. You have three dots interrupting this beautiful poetry. Its hard to speak it so fast. You do want to stop and enjoy the Beautiful Energy imagery. I didnt hear just one stream of consciousness. I heard a kind of cacophony. I heard the nuns. The streets of ireland. I heard home. And then i was cast. Roll tape. This world. This world. Girl. Yes. Tiny little girl. Cold. No matter. Finnair. Thin air. No love, spared that. In the home . No. No love of many kind. A typical affair. Care. G of any a fair looking for a few steps. A few more stops. When some of the suddenly. She found herself in the woods. Who . No. Found herself in the dark. She could still hear the buzzing in the years. Clouds. In and out of feeling so the old. Sdo dulled. Kneeling, yes. What, lying, yes. A sudden flash. God. [laughter] quite the mouthful. Yes, indeed. I was listening for your breathing to see when you breathe. Have you make the decision about breath . Time to think about that. I think i circular breathe. I think if i was to start to get about start about breeding on top of everything else, i would hyperventilate and have a panic attack. The decision to bring these three, your decision by a producers . Or a init was First Performed 1972. Beckett went backstage. She did it in 2223 minutes. And said, you destroyed my play. And kept saying, you cant go fast enough. I want the speed of thought. She got it. It was maybe 14 minutes. She had several breakdowns trying to learn. I am only able to do it because, billy did. A performing it, she broke psychological barrier, almost like the fourminute mile. Is it in part a physical thing . In order to stay in this pinprick of light, that just lights my lips, it is necessary for my body and head to be fastened into a harness. I have black makeup. And a blindfold. I am put into a hole in a piece of wood that only takes a third of my face. It is strapped into bank plac in two places. I go like the clapper. Talk about these three plays. Locatedsaid, they are at the brink of death, the undiscovered country, that etiquettes characters are in for becketts characters urine for. Yearn for,. That is one of the great things about beckett. The universal landscape. Not i is a representation of thought. It is boundaryless. Is why it provoked so many panic attacks in the audience. It speaks to the core. Do these three compared to odot . Ng for goo this is late beckett. He is shaking off joyces influence. The verbosity. I have looked at what is pure beckett. He distilled and paired away the fat. You are left with something potent. It is so lean and tight. It gets people in the jugular. With footfalls, it is like a Chamber Piece of music. He writes like music. There are so many elements to it. Anadly speaking, it is exploration of oppression. I play both roles. Mother and it may. Mother and may. These,se we always carry as in our heads. It has been interesting to play both roles. Nunnrious sir trevor talking about the genius of beckett. He is unique. A number of times, i have read a short story by beckett. Short story a prose poem. In the english language, the great tradition is verse trauma. Heightened language. Is a rich language ingredient. That in his exactly very special way. Even though sometimes the plays though theort, even is very limited, the selection of language, the rhythm of language the residents of the language it is absolutely extraordinary. You find an echo of that and pinter. In harold the use of silence and stillness. Thatthe one phrase devastates you. I heard someone lecturing about beckett. Something that i think is a thing of genius. Somebody in the audience was complaining that beckett can seem to be so pessimistic. The lecturer said, i think in pessimismhere is a that makes optimism look like sentimentality. Ht that was devastating and that is the elimination we get from him. That is what you were saying earlier. He realized sentimentality is the language of gangsters, emotional gangsters. Yes, it is hard and bleak. I suppose, without sounding too pretentious, it is the closest thing to a kind of truth i have ever felt. Responses,audience you know it works for that reason. Of the three, do you like one more than the other . Im beginning to understand footfalls. A lot of people say it is the difficult most difficult of his works. I think i am starting to understand it in a deep literal and personal way. To do that, i have to bring in my own landscape. His mother was may, and the character pacing outside the room was may. Becketts mother is everywhere. It was fraught. Maladjusted. That was a real wound. Happy i should have been an accountants he said, maybe i should have been an accountant. He wasnt being glib. He thought maybe he failed his mother. It was hard for him. He couldnt tow the line. He left a decent position in trinity college. He took the difficult route. He was a courageous writer. His work was rejected. Interesting reading his letters, some of his rejection lectures letters. Iowas love to see the mind at work. Are his i love to see his mind at work. The unnameable he keeps talking about the available. Unnameable. On a drive towards death. Let me get past the first six lines. And then one day, he let me go. I felt like a glider. Lt like i caught this current. I felt like im needed this rhythm. To face one of the most difficult truths of all. Is it draining to do these . Is it cathartic . Is definitely cathartic. I dont want to be too indulgent with that. I am highly disciplined. It is a privilege. Continent. Untry, a differences in age and time and scope. What other writer will ask that much of me . It is a privilege to be able to offer it. You hook the audience takes away what . I dont know. I am amazed twitty five years after his death that i am death 25 years after his that it is selling out. With a young audience. People seem to be ready for beckett today. I dont know why there is such a renewed appetite. There is an urgency. In terms of his, appreciation. You had the amazing opportunity to meet his muse, billy. Tell me about the relationship. I had to come to the terms to terms with the role myself. Without seeing her performance, think god. My own access point. After i did First Perform it, the keeper of the state said, i think you could meet billy now. We greeted each other like longlost war veterans. She had never met anyone who played the role. Neither had i. A year after the meeting, she said, can you come around . I want to give you his notes. Id need to give you his notes. I need to give them. Highspirited her to take out i old rehearsal manuscript expected her to take out his old rehearsal manuscript. But she started conducting me. Her as beckett had with across the kitchen table. She set me free with the piece. I had been trying to adhere to his notes. No color, dont act. I was putting an artificial monotone on the lines. She blew that out of the water. She said, what are you doing . He wants it all. He once the guts, the real stuff. He once you. He wants you. It is great to be here. Thank you. On the next charlie rose, walter isaacson. How a group of hackers, geniuses, and geeks created the digital revolution. Let me show you exactly what bill gates did. Steve jobs did. How the bell labs system led to something. I want is a look in a storytelling way. Look in ato storytelling way. Do some real reporting and say, how did they make that Creative Leap . How did they do it as a team . Who was the visionary who helped make the leap . Hello this is what i am taking stock of this friday, october 10. The dow erases its gain for the year. The ever bearish mark farber said it is a wakeup call for investors. I would listen to the markets. The market is no longer telling you there is an upward climb. Or maybe investors should listen to elon musk. He is the chief executive of tesla. He told betty liu he is not