President trump. Its president elect trump. Trevor my bad. Sometimes it just slips out. Yeah, i understand. But until january 20th, the president is still barack obama. cheers and applause enjoy that. You better enjoy it. You cant go pushing this man out of the white house. Obama is basically at a restaurant, enjoying his meal and america is coming over like an aggressive waiter trying to rush him out. laughter trevor youre right, we should appreciate president barack obama while we can. This will be the lasting image of president obamas presidency. That young kid sees someone who looks like him with hair limb him in the oval office. When people touch trumps hair, theyre not inspired. Theyre just rubbing it. What the hell is this . What am i touching . laughter trevor its true. Were closing in on a chapter in american history. I mean close, close. Really closed. Not like obama closing guantanamo closed. Really closed. audience reacts here you go. You want to bring up gitmo, thats fine. Talk tough in your pretty Little Television studio. I bet you would never say anything like that to his face. Trevor what do you mean . I wouldnt do that, roy. Im that kind of person. I speak truth to power. I bet you all the money in my pocket you wouldnt make a joke about gitmo to president obamas face. Trevor how much do you have in your pocket . 20. Trevor dont get comfortable, roy. Dont get comfortable. He even took the cameras with him. Okay. Okay. Trevor mr. President , thank you for being on the show. It is great to see you. Trevor i would like to apologize. I know youve waited a long time and wanted to make this happen. Im sorry. You guys wouldnt book us. I kept calling. Trevor i was focused on the election and i apologize. Lets get into it. Thank you for being on the show. We are living through one of the craziest times ever. Before we came to the interview, more news broke, the c. I. A. Assessed with high confidence the russians were involved in the hacking of the d. N. C. And r. N. C. With the specific intent of swaying the election in favor of donald trump. And we heard the president ordered a review of this from all intelligence agencies and you wanted to briefings to be concluded before the inauguration of donald trump when he takes power. Yeah. Trevor why the rush . Well, its not a rush. Keep in mind that when the d. N. C. Got hacked, we immediately assigned our intelligence community, our Law Enforcement to investigate what had happened, and we determined and announced in october that it was the consensus of all the intelligence agencies in Law Enforcement that organizations affiliated with russian intelligence were responsible for the hacking of the d. N. C. Materials that were being leaked. So that was a month before the election. This was not a secret. The reason that i have called for a review is really just to gather all the threads of the investigations, the intelligence work that has been done over many months so that the public and our elected representatives Going Forward can find ways to prevent this kind of interference from having an impact on the elections in the future. I will say this, though, trevor. None of this should be a big surprise. This was reported on before the election. I dont think there was any doubt among anybody in the media or among members of congress as to who was being advantaged or disadvantaged by the political gossip that was big put out in drip, drip, drip fashion up to the election. Trevor i think now the difference is there is a president elect trump. Yeah. Trevor and now the big question is what would be a suitable response . People say, well, this is an act towards the United States or this is russia undermining the very democracy that we stand on. But i think its really important for everybody to understand what our challenge is. Russia trying to influence our elections dates back to the soviet union. What they did here, hacking some emails and releasing them, is not a particularly fancy brand of espionage or propaganda. We were, frankly, more concerned in the runup to the election to the possibilities of both tampering, which we did not see evidence of and were confident we could guard against, but, trevor, i think what everybody has to reflect on is what is it about our political ecosystem, what is it about the state of our democracy where the leaks of what were frankly not very interesting emails, that didnt have any explosive information in them trevor the result was interesting. Ended up being an obsession, and the fact that the russians were doing this was not an obsession. This was not a secret running up to the election. The president elect in some of his political events specifically said to the russians, hack hillarys emails so that we can finally find out whats going on and confirm our conspiracy theories. You had what was very clear relationships between members of the president elects Campaign Team and the russians and a professed shared view on a bunch of issues. The real question that i think we all have to reflect on is whats happened to our political system where some emails that were hacked and released ended up being the overwhelming story and the constant source of coverage, breathless coverage that was depicted as somehow damning in all sorts of ways, when the truth of the matter was it was fairly routine stuff. And the reason i say that is because, Going Forward, i worry that we dont spend enough time on selfreflection about how our democracies and campaigns work and how all of us have to, i think, do a better job making sure that we talk about whats at stake. For example, these emails got a lot more attention than any policy that was being debated during the campaign. Trevor let me ask you about whats at stake. The president elect has very clearly said he refuses Intelligence Briefings, and, so, hes come out and said i dont need them because i am a smart man. Trevor you are a president. You know what a briefing entails. Can you make effective and informed decisions without Intelligence Briefings and without the support of the agencies around the presidency . Well, i think the president elect may say one thing and do another once hes here because the truth of the matter is its a big, complicated world. It doesnt matter how smart you are, you have to have the best information possible to make the best decisions possible, and my experience with our intelligence agencies is that they are not perfect they would be the first to acknowledge that but they are full of extraordinary hardworking and patriotic and knowledgeable experts, and if youre not getting their perspective, their detailed perspective, then you are flying blind. Part of what we have done is to just hammer away that the basic principle that intelligence shall not be subject to political spin, and im very proud of the fact that, over the course of eight years, the message ive sent to every Intelligence Agency is i want it straight without spin, and i think weve developed a culture that does that. My hope is that that remains because weve seen, in the past, where there was political spin on intelligence, or at least the intelligence agencies felt obliged to cater to the predispositions of the president or team that you make bad mistakes. Trevor well today is a great day for lash equality new so lashy mascara the lash finder tip works for all lash types bold sexy lashes for all so lashy mascara from easy breezy beautiful covergirl soyou dont eat meat . Me uh, nope. cheering vizio® 60 4k ultra hd tv with google casttm, 678 save money. Live better. Walmart. Come on why doesnt verizon offer unlimited data like tmobile . Is it because their lte network was built six years ago . Six years ago . Thats like a hundred. In phone years their lte network is older, slower and they limit you. Switch to tmobile, the newer, faster and unlimited network. We cover 99 of the americans verizon covers. Switch your family of four to tmobile and well give you 800 to spend anywhere you want. 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Of vine telling me to join now. Whats the point if the Incoming Administration says theyre getting rid of it . Well, first of all, if you sign up now, you will have insurance for a year, and its better than not having insurance for a year, at minimum. As ive said before, for the majority of people, when they include tax credits that they may be eligible for, they can get Health Insurance for 75 bucks a month, which is cheaper than their cell phone or their cable coverage, in some cases, and that will protect you against an accident, a major illness, could end up saving your home or your bank account or your pension, and it will give you peace of mind. But what youve also been seeing in the debate around obamacare, and this has been true for six years, this has become sort of a holy grail for republicans, based on ideology and not facts. The fact is weve had the lowest uninsured rate in history. The fact is, despite all the predictions to the contrary, healthcare costs have gone up more slowly since i signed that law than anytime in the last 50 years. The fact is that the law itself provides protections that are really popular, its just people dont know its obamacare. So the fact you cant be refused healthcare because of a preexisting condition, the fact that your kid can stay on your Healthcare Plan until 26 years old. The fact women cant be discriminated against and charged more simple bibi being a woman by an Insurance Company. The fact you dont have a lifetime limit. Those protections are provided by insurance to people through their jobs. The republicans are saying maybe well technically repeal it but it wont go into effect for the next three years while we come up with a replacement. Ive said before, listen, if they had a great idea, they should have come up with it five or six years ago when they were passing this bill because i would have loved to have something that worked better, was cheaper, was less controversial. The truth is that what we came up with were the best ideas at the time. Some tweaks cob made to the program, for example a public option in communities where there is not enough Competition Among insurers. More subsidies so its cheaper for people at the borderline where theyre finding it still expensive to buy Health Insurance. It will be interesting to watch republicans who actually now have to produce come up with a replacement that works better, i dont think they will, and as a consequence, you should sign up now and count on the fact that youre going to have insurance for a while. Trevor a question for you off that, the Incoming Administration seems to be making a complete 180 on a lot of your major initiatives. Climate change, donald trump and his team are going to the other way. Immigration, theyre going the other way. Do you think this changes your postpresident ial public life . Does this change who barack obama is once he leaves the white house . A couple of points. They may change policy on Climate Change, but Climate Change is still Climate Change. Its still happening. So if the ocean are still going up and, you know, some streets in miami a mile or two from where the president elect has a golf course are seeing flooding in the middle of sunny days, and its saltwater coming up through ground, thats going to have to be dealt with one way or another. On all of these issues, reality doesnt go away. Ive had several conversations with the president elect in which ive said to him, look, if you can find different approaches to deal with the problems, i dont pretend that i was the repository of all wisdom. What you can do is pretend theyre not problems. And i think every president comes in and discovers that, a, reality doesnt go away and, b, the federal government is an aircraft carrier, its not a speedboat. Turning it is hard. Now, in terms of my role in this whole process, i think it is important for me to recharge. I think its important for me to reflect. Its important for me to get back in my wifes good graces and take a decent vacation and spend some time with her, and ill do some writing and speaking, but what i have said is that ill be paying attention. Ill be a citizen of this country that i love deeply, and i dont anticipate that i suddenly just vanish. But i think its important to give the Incoming Administration the space and to give the public clarity about what it is that theyre trying to do so that that plays itself out a little bit. You know, there may be occasions where, even in the first year, if i think core values of ours are being threatened i mean, ive said this. If i thought a Muslim Registry was being set up that violates the constitution and violates who we are and would make us less safe because it would make it easier for groups like i. S. I. L to recruit and radicalize homegrown terrorists, i might have to Say Something about that. If i saw dream act kids, young people who were brought here as children who are for all intents and purposes americans suddenly being rounded up, contrary to who we are as a nation of laws and a nation of immigrants, i might have to Say Something about that. But its not its not my intention to be i think ive said this before, the old guy at the bar whos just kind of hanging on. You know, i need to take some time. Trevor well be right back with president obamas final interview what is this oh, hes doing other oh, i thought this one still cool, though. Well be right back. Liberty mutual stood with me when i was too busy with the kids to get a repair estimate. 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Trevor where you are in a space where you are engaging with people, it is often difficult to navigate and skirt that line between speaking your mind and sharing your true opinions on race whilst, at the same time, not being seen to alienate some of the people you are talking to, you know, because if you are a white person speaking about race, you are just a person interested in race. If you are a person of color speaking about it, its, oh, the black thing again. So the question ive always wanted to know is how did you navigate that . Because we watched you do it but i always wanted to know how you navigated that through your two terms. You know, my general theory is that, if i was clear in my own mind about who i was, comfortable in my own skin, and had clarity about the way in which race continues to be this powerful factor in so many elements of our lives, but that it is not the only factor in so many aspects of our lives, that we have, by no means overcome the legacies of slavery and jim crow and colonialism and racism, but that the progress weve made has been real and extraordinary, if im communicating my genuine belief that those who are not subject to racism can sometimes have blind spots or lack of appreciation of what it feels to be on the receiving end of that, but that doesnt mean that theyre not open to learning and caring about equality and justice and that i can win them over because there is goodness in the majority of people. I always felt that if i really knew that and i just communicated it as clearly as i could, that i would be okay. Another way of saying this is there has not been a time in my public life or presidency where i feel as if i had to bite my tongue. There have been times in my public life where ive said, how do i say this diplomatically . How do i say this, as you indicated, in a way that its received. Trevor yes. So there have been very few instances where ive said, well, that was racist, you are racist. There have been times where ive said, you know, you might not have taken into account the ongoing legacy of racism in why we have so many black men incarcerated. And since i know that you believe in the constitution and believe in justice and believe in liberty, how about if we try this now, some might say youre not speaking fully truth to power because of that diplomacy. Trevor yes. But i dont think that trying to appeal to the better of our nature as lincoln put it is somehow compromised. There may be times where you just have to call things out and name names, but the challenge we face today, when it comes to race, is rarely the overt klansman style racism and typically has more to do with the fact that, you know, people eve got other stuff they want to talk about and its sort of uncomfortable, and its somebody not getting called back for an interview, although its never explicit, or its, you know, who gets the tv acting job, the actress who doesnt quite look the part and what does that mean. In that environment where youre not talking necessarily about cutand dried racist behavior but rather about the complex ways in which society is working these issues through, you know, trying to reach folks in ways that they can hear, i think, is important. And i would add everybodys got a different role to play. If chris rocks doing standup, then there is a benefit to him doing something that is different from the president of the United States doing something. For one thing, you know, he doesnt have to edit his language quite as carefully because i am still subject to, you know, some restraints trevor you vile have your last few days. Those seven words George Carlin talked about, i cant use those, as a general proposition because a lot of children are watching. I try to comport myself in a way that my mother would approve of. Trevor well, i just want to say thank you so much for being on the show. Thank you for being an inspiration and, most importantly, thank you for giving me an opportunity to see what i would look like after eight years of the tou