Transcripts For BELARUSTV 20240703

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Hello , i welcome everyone who is with us now, we are happy to have guests who are in our studio today, but lets start, perhaps, with nagorny, of course in karabakh, the situation around it, we see the aggravation that has now occurred in a difficult situation. Eh, taking into account the fact that both states are not strangers to us. Of course, we understand perfectly well what is needed here, but to provide balanced assessments and try to be as objective as possible. Although when you look at the facts, you understand that without external influence. It is not without the fact that many people are rubbing their hands at this moment, but it is very difficult to maintain objectivity, nevertheless. We will try nikolai evgenievich in your opinion. This is the current aggravation. What is it about . It . Why and what does it lead to . First of all , it is about the fact that no matter how funny it may sound, the stage of reconstruction of the world has entered a hot phase. We talked about this about a month ago, which is literally in the near future, probably. At that time, we said that in the coming months there would be escalation of conflicts in various points and as an option it was named, including Nagorno Karabakh, moldova, a number of other points, this is the reality of our forecasts. At the moment, this means that it concerns the situation. E such conflicts last a long time, playing, having deep historical roots, as they would correctly say , require a balanced approach in this situation. Both armenia and azerbaijan are solving their problems. By the way, the liberation of Nagorno Karabakh is one of the strategic objectives, and it is precisely liberation that is spelled out in all documents of azerbaijan. And they look at it precisely from this side, as for armenia , she wanted to sit on two chairs today. Unfortunately, that doesnt happen today. So remember the phrase a little pregnant. This is exactly how it turns out on one side from one site it is stated that we are ready to admit. Uh, independence of karabakh as part of uh, azerbaijan on the other hand by all means. There is an escalation of escalation under the influence of external factors, and in the overall picture of the world, this is another point of instability, which is used to resolve contradictions between leading state governments. Really. It can be traced even in yesterdays information flow, just a couple of headlines for those who hmm, its trying to restore the picture. First we heard the ministry of defense of azerbaijan stated at the beginning antiparental measures. In karabakh , pashinyan then brought forward the accusation that azerbaijan is trying to drag armenia into fullscale hostilities, so we saw that negotiations with macron. His pashinyans were blinking, france demanded an Emergency Security meeting. He the kremlin calls on yerevan. Baku yesterday we heard about this following the previously signed trilateral document, and then we saw what was happening on the streets of armenia protesters came out. Eh, pushinyan himself said attempts. Coup detat people are demanding pashinyans resignation, but we have been watching all day today how, in general, the tension does not subside Alexey Viktorovich , how do you look at all this . Well, uh, here we need to understand, firstly, that this conflict is definitely inciting. This is one of the chains of confrontation between the west and russia, that is, the task is to escalate all possible conflicts along the russian border. It stood for a long time and the karabakh conflict. Its very convenient here. Uh, and we see that this current escalation occurred after armenia headed by such an openly prowestern president. Uh, i decided to start uh, gradually distancing myself. Here is participation in his dkb. Interactions with russia seem to show that today there is no confidence in the russian side as a peacemaker guarantor. This is at least some kind of fragile peace and a whole series of such ambiguous steps taken by the armenian head of state, uh, which led to the fact that there were actually maneuvers with the americans, uh, which led to active diplomatic such. This skirmish, this leads to the appearance of absolute , as if antirussian, places by some individuals, there heads of states. Eh, thats it. What did this lead to . That is, there was a feeling that armenia was leaving this prorussian camp and was no longer under russian guarantees. And it is clear that there is a very difficult situation around nagornokarabakh itself and its status. That is, its like theres an armenian side there. We respect you very much. Eh, and these are also our friends and allies in the dkb and npps in the cis. But in this case. The armenian side showed better this is what my colleague correctly said, an attempt to sit on two chairs, and maybe even more in this case, uh, the very first step that could show the priorities of armenia itself would be their clear position regarding nagornokarabakh or artsakh , what do they call it . And the position this was expressed by pashinyan, and he was subjected to significant condemnation from his society, that nagornokarabakh, also known as ortsakh, is not a part of azerbaijan. That is, it was essentially like a distribution of all the many years of struggle that the armenian people led for the return of ethnic territories, which are legally azerbaijani , the conflict is very complex. We do not want to stand up now, this is the business of the armenian azerbaijani people. We dont want to do anything aside; it also affects us objectively. We can say that guys, lets figure it out. Between themselves, that is, that for you the same, uh, nagornokarabakh region, because when now there are attempts, firstly, to say that it doesnt work for the dkb doesnt work, russia how can it work if you yourself dont think possible to defend from the territory, if uh Nikola Pashinyan says that there are no Armenian Forces at all in nagornokarabakh , that is, then the question arises, if azerbaijan is conducting an antiterrorist operation on its territory, and there is not even the presence of armenian citizens there. What questions then can to be towards azerbaijan, if there is a presence of armenian citizens there , there is a threat to it, you are going to take them under protection, but then you will indicate this in the public space, it is very difficult for us, of course, this resonates with pain, because armenia is ours ally, we cooperate quite well and have increased trade and economic interaction with armenia in recent years. Im very serious. Here we support the cultural initiative. We respect the armenian people very much and support the integrity of armenia, but we also have good friendly relations with azerbaijan, this is also our political friend, this is also a country with which we have very close ties. In this case, we are in this one, and between them a person to whom we are not directly attached cannot enter as an active party, but we we can offer and this has been stated. Our president and the russian side emphasize that there is no military solution. Here you can only negotiate because, of course, no one wants ethnic genocide, from one side or the other. This is a terrible thing, and the belarusians, who once experienced it themselves, understand very clearly that we must help to ensure that such a situation does not arise under any circumstances, viktorovich well, really. If you look, if there are even such not human questions, but i regret that ukraine did not become a lesson that every step will be necessary, especially in the current world, you need to be prudent in order to avoid bloodshed, where diplomacy can and should work. This is not this, now he is watching the highland ship. Unfortunately. Yes, indeed, so many countries have modern ruling elites. They do not learn lessons from history or from the events that happen in the world. Yes, that means an era where it turns out that it plunges the destinies of entire nations, which means, uh, into the furnace other peoples interests. Naturally. This leads to the collapse of statehood and other terrible things that we are seeing today in ukraine and, unfortunately, at other points of tension here too. Likewise , nikolai evgenievich also absolutely correctly noted that in fact this is in the interests of the United States of america and with them the maximum there are such conflicts along the perimeter of the Russian Federation to actually weaken it, and the only sad thing here is that people and nations are becoming hostages of this whole situation entire states that are colliding with each other. It is not in their own interests for warriors to ensure the interests of others. This is absolutely sad. Well, then lets move on to the next big topics, moreover, one way or another, what is happening now around nagornokarabakh intersects with what is happening now, lets call it that in ukraine. Although the front is much broader than geographical outlines. The worlds attention is still in modern ukraine. These days are focused on new york, the week of highlevel general assemblies has opened. The un is increasingly the organization no longer sounds like that. However, there is no other way to bring together such different concepts of the world order in one place. Not yet. But there is a topic that seems to concern everyone. Isnt it time to wind down on the ukrainian front . The guardian calls the presence of the president of ukraine at the summit the greatest geopolitical drama of the week, but the director of the Analytical Center of the International Crisis group at the un, richard gowan, characterized zelenskys decision to participate in the event as an adventure if zelensky goes to the assembly and the Security Council and insist that ukraine must continue to fight. And that now is not the time for diplomacy. I think he will receive serious rebuff, thats what he said. This is what they nikolayevich are hinting at in this way, or is it no longer a hint, but an insistent demand of a glance. This is already a requirement, because. Uh, in recent years, literally since 2021 , the Russian Federation has been a bogeyman everywhere and almost no one supports its position, but opposes the counterbalance. This is the first healthy one. Lets say these are the thoughts that appeared among western hmm not allies. U the western side from the point of view of how the crisis may develop in these situations. Finally, there are common sense notes and its time to sit down at the negotiating table. He, i just added, he added when he said this phrase , this one, comrade go he said that i rely on the opinion of the majority in africa in asia in latin america, there was a parallel statement from turkish president erdogan, who said we continue our efforts with the conviction that the war has no winners and the world has no losers erdogan in the words that our president said its time to sit down at the negotiating table, only the world can resolve some situations in ukraine and this is the thesis that, by the way, belarus and i have been with you throughout. Well, i dont know, for the last year and a half weve been constantly sending things in all directions. Its finally starting to resonate. This is not for not because we were heard. No, the objective situation is simply such that there are two options for the development of events in ukraine. First, russia fulfills all its obligations. This is scary. Here she fulfills the goals that she yes, she planned it, and its not that this is a geopolitical blow to the west and to all the countries that are now giving in to the second option against it. It loses only part of its territory and remains in an unclear status. And this is an area of ​​gray zone and incomprehensibility that is happening in the immediate future and the president of ukraine , who arrived at this summit again, as always, in a paramilitary uniform, brought his wife, who is dressed in military style. Its not clear why, because politicians dont hire actors as the main ones. Yes there is such a thing until the end, then there is he plays his role to the end, but they are already telling him, enough is enough, the script is changing. These are the directions that should be in the future and in the future we will still have to come to an agreement Yuri Valentinovich i will support nikolai evgenievich, uh, of course, the visit is connected. It is more like such a hysterical voyage associated with the results of the socalled counteroffensive, despite the fact that in the Ukrainian Information space there are sensational successes. In fact. This is not true, more than 70,000 Ukrainian Military personnel died, a huge a lot of equipment, including during this contrast, for the first time in World History , they burned, for example, british equipment, their famous challenge tank, which we remember, that is, russia is grinding down a complete failure. Uh, the armed forces of ukraine, uh, because military sciences have a certain percentage. After which, when the grind reaches the colleagues who wont let me lie to a certain percentage, uh, everything will start to collapse exponentially, this is the motivation of the armed fighters of these armed formations. And uh, that means thats all with related to this, so russia has already practically achieved. E of these results. Maybe another two or three months, its probably difficult to make predictions. Well, in any case, the strategic result is clear, so zelensky is an actor, and as always, he plays. E all inc as they say yes puts everything, and he rides with his presence. Eh, including with such a military shell. Uh , he wants, uh, to be supported and put further pressure on the Russian Federation, but this is no longer possible, because in the west there are, uh, think tanks. I dont see the results and it seems to me that blinkins recent visit to kiev is connected with that and then the subsequent visit. Uh, German Foreign minister, uh, out of the blue, like there to check something, say hello, check watches. It seems to me that their visits are connected with the fact that they are beginning to force him into negotiations, because his colleagues correctly said that there was a clear defeat. In the west, it is unacceptable from the point of view of the western elites; it will be a geopolitical catastrophe for them, so it is urgent to drag the situation into the path of peace negotiations. We see whats there well, firstly, it must be said that our delegation is also working in the fields these days. In fact, it is headed by foreign minister sergei malikov. Well, a lot, besides the speech there are a lot of bilateral meetings. Well , its like youre watching all this and behind this sudden frankness its integrity, when theyve already plucked up courage and are trying to set the direction for zelensky. Is this because there is a crisis in the influence of the organization on the one hand, and on the other hand the growth of the influence of such unions, like the sco, like brix for us, for example, at the moment the un is still the organization to which we should tune in as much as possible, either for us in the main vector. These are those large unions in which we either already stand, or on the way to entry. So, look about uh, the United Nations and ukraine uh. The ukrainian crisis itself. And the hot phase in which it has now entered is actually a war, in which more and more participants are being involved in one way or another. This is not only now a conflict directly with russia with ukraine and not only those supporting ukraine there, the United States and western europe, we see the attraction of more players, turkey iran , which seems to be helping russia a little now, a recent visit. Uh, kim jongun to russia, where there was also a conversation about possible militarytechnical cooperation, one way or another, a reaction to the ukrainian events. All there is a demonstration of the great powers, the powers of the developing world, for example, and the same india, yes. Well , frankly, at the recent g20 summit , such an open antiukrainian speech is impossible. Uh, give me the floor zelensky is 20 and not inviting him there. But thats all it says, uh, the conflict was not stopped by the organization that was created in order to prevent these conflicts. Its after the end of the cold war. E not only relaxed, but we actually see him becoming a mouthpiece today about western ideas about western thought. He turned into a tool. On the one hand, today, as colleagues correctly said, in conditions when the western part is beginning to lose militarily, and this longlasting conflict in ukraine is in there cannot be an active phase of military operations ; we see that now ukraine is already, and from military operations directly at the front , the terrorist state is actively moving to terror, bombing russian territory with its drones. Yes, he is trying to carry out strikes, carrying out outright terrorist attacks, including attempts on our territory. And as we saw, yes, uh, he hires mercenaries and tries to act. What is this method of terror . What is he talking about . You cant solve the issues, so to speak, in a fair fight, you dont have enough strength, so you you start doing shit on the sly. You begin to strike not at the military infrastructure, but at civilians, sowing chaos and panic , trying to create, uh, an unhealthy state of mind in the public. And all this can spread further. Its not just russia, belarus, it will go further and further. When the same terrorist actions begin in the world, the task of the un was to prevent all this from happening. They had to start the negotiation process. They should have perhaps brought the forces to the negotiating table. This is the beginning of belarus belarus stood on its own invite the territory in the first days. Uh, special military operations of ukrainian and russian negotiations. Yes, thats the question. Do we need it, of course, no one is saying now that we should take it tomorrow and lock it with a key and hang up the lock. Everyone has gone to the front. But no, this organization was created , there are International Standards documents that regulate peoples activities, but we see that objectively it needs reform. Just at this session. Just in this question, trying to clarify the point clouds we see the sunset. What can we talk about . And here. As you correctly said today , it should probably be a different structure today, it should take into account the interests of not individual players, not individual states. We say the General Assembly makes a decision by a majority vote, in which all un member countries participate. Well, excuse me, of course, but if the voice of india is equal to the voice of some tuvalu going under water, which has already been digitized and they say, well, our country in general will disappear like a territory, but we will remain in the digital world. Well, this is not entirely correct, where there are one and a half billion people, where there is a huge, developing economy and the voice of an astronomical state that will soon disappear altogether. The question is right, perhaps now it should be reoriented towards interaction. These blocks of structures. Yes , there is nasa, there is the European Union, there is this conditional one about the western bloc. There is the sco , there is the g20, there is the g7 g well, the name is conditional, given the adoption of the union, there are other organizations, there in south america and in asia, in africa , simply african ones and so on. That is, then like this the topic of zelensky should have been touched upon at the national level, but we understand and the media have already reported that there is a meeting with biden ahead. What do you think zelensky and the elder will be talking about in bely, i think it will be unambiguous, we get the next instructions. It is quite obvious that he is not acting as a ukrainian president. Yes , actually some interests. Yes, and the indications are that the United States of america is that colleagues are not fully here or its time to sit down. So today we just discussed that the west is interested in to start going to certain negotiations. But what is the danger here that i would like to draw attention to, indeed , there are no alternatives to peace negotiations on ukraine, yes, but at the same time, the goal of denazification and demilitation of ukraine must be achieved, otherwise five to ten 10 years will simply pass. And this conflict will resume with renewed vigor. In a certain sense , the west needs such a respite so that they can again regroup our task of saturating ukraine so that it becomes an icon place. Now we will just continue with the icons with the sums its readers, and to this conclusion ukraine must win. Otherwise, you will have to look for the guilty too. Yes, another option. This is what has already been said today by the western elites, who actively support ukraine if they do not receive defeat in ukraine. Of course, this is a blow to them. Yes, that means they will have to explain where these multibillion dollar expenses and invested money went. Yes, that means maintaining the combat capability of ukraine and why it ended in a fiasco, so naturally this stuff also plays out here. I think that there will, of course, be a certain message, which means the implementation of peace negotiations. Well, its clear, it means that the west will strive to defend its influence on this ukrainian territory. This means so as not to let go, uh, and not to completely lose your authority in the eyes of your own population, and therefore in the international arena, but on the other hand, i once again emphasized that there must be a clear position on this , the day of range, qualification and demilitarization of ukraine must not be conceded at a meeting in sochi journalists asked two president s of belarus and russia about their attitude towards peaceful prospects, and with ukraine after his arrival in kiev, his blinks on this topic were noticeable. Let me remind you that the us secretary of state stepped up and then declared kievs readiness and that moscow should take the initiative, saying it takes two to tango. This is what putin thinks about this , lukashenko says there, very good. Yes , i think that they are important for ukraine. This is what is important. This is how they will write on someone elses board all the time to someone elses music. Its like dancing the turning point began in belarus, then they began, and then, uh, damn it, the actual universal command was given a command, he forbade all negotiations on the table in person, so there is absolutely no decree to sign, prohibiting oneself forbade the absurdity on the part of zelensky and the ukrainian stem is generally difficult, why say that . Thats actually yes explained question yes ukraine today, uh and the ukrainian leadership zelensky and his entourage, what do they proceed from when they take their steps. Here i go zelensky now look, and this is what he said literally this night, he said such a thing that everyone was horrified, in fact, sensible people took it. You decided to say, god thank you for once removing Nuclear Weapons from ukraine because he, blaming russia , actually stated that if ukraine had these weapons now, she would have already used them. That is, he would have been ready to unleash a nuclear third world war, based on it is not clear even whose interests are not the interests of the ukrainians, because most of the money that comes from them today they are going to develop the army for military affairs what they manage to save from theft. Yes, from transferring to offshore companies. This is hiding in your own pockets. This is not used for social needs. Not for ukrainians. This goes towards this conflict, which in the end is this money. Here, look, at the same time, the peace formula from nato, here i quote , will really be given if president Vladimir Putin russia serves as a weapon. Peace will come, he says already, as russia says that he ate. Yes, we definitely have the same desire for you have given up, but we are ready to agree. That is, from both russia and belarus, uh, there are not just calls, but we have seen concrete actions that these parties are ready to sacrifice partly their interests, but to achieve something for themselves. Vyacheslav viktorovich says the denomination of ukraine is the most important moment. Once upon a time , germany was not dedenocified. Today we fully see neonazism, revived, like the prophetic words in that wonderful film about stirlitz. Muller were. Yes, but this should not be allowed in russia, with which no one was considered, which was deceived for years for decades and who were driven into a corner, they said that we are expanding on this in order to prevent ourselves from russia when there was no russia at all, because of the promise not to expand, they must have promised, do not expand, they expanded, hiding behind the fact that it could happen danger and today, when this danger is depicted in front of russia, she is forced to answer and say, well, its not in vain that we expanded. Well, well, now i just want to return to stoltenberg. Well, believe me. This is the statement. This is the top there is no other way to say cynicism, because a person who does not understand the essence of what is happening, even apart from the only thing , he heads an organization that in recent years has done whatever it wanted in europe in the world and so on, uh, but the matter is not an organization, it is americas hands this organization to declare that if russia withdraws all weapons, it will be destroyed in our country; this has already happened in the nineties of the last century. We cut weapons. We delilitarized ourselves, we destroyed the latest weapons systems, missiles, aircraft, which , according to their characteristics, were significantly higher than what the enemy had. We have accomplished all this. At the same time, nato and all at that time there were less than 20odd states. They didnt do anything, and not only promised and said. Today they are trying to buy us once again with the same, so to speak, uh, catch us on the same hook of empty promises, and i would also Pay Attention. After all, this man. He broadcasts. He doesnt broadcast his thoughts, he broadcasts his thoughts. United west the golden billion of you is not united. Well, Something Like that. Well, we somehow have this phrase less than them less. But before that, god is the parsley of modern politics. I cant call it anything else, he says the same thing, literally russia must lose. Ukraine must win. How do you know . What better answer is possible, yes, stoltenberg and berg here are two photographs. We found very recent photographs, yes, regarding the fact that russia should capitulate and lets show the second photograph here too. Its also the same composition. Yes, these are recent photos. She conveys something good about the atmosphere. Uh, weak in quotes e russia and something tells me that smiles in this photo, exactly at the moment when they heard the proposal from tolkomberg about addition, then for victory. Still, you think, well, in general, we, in this studio , have discussed this crookedness many times, small herbs to read european politicians and, probably, one of these prizes. Uh, mr. Barrel should take a note, remember, as a result of the contrast, he said that this is a blow below the belt , that russia was responsible, and it must answer for it, and we must impose new sanctions. Well, thats why theres already some kind of uh politics is moving into the field of medicine, but in fact the situation is becoming dangerous. It seems to me that our western colleagues have begun to understand that zelensky is beginning to get out of control. I want to give an example, even his skirmishes with polish partners. Just yesterday they were hugging, kissing and talking about, uh, unbreakable friendship that will carry through the centuries. And look what is happening to each other now. They met , they succumbed, they sued each other , accusing each other of all sorts of violations. This literally happened in a matter of minutes. Days that he is getting out of control, and we will touch on this topic with poland, ukraine and their relations. Lets continue. Or rather, lets close this topic , making it increasingly difficult for stoltenberg to be convincing even among his own people. Here are two short opinions, like a verdict, the businessman presses sachs, laid out a map of the fighting in ukraine and noted that those occupied by high territory are so small that they are barely visible on it and this idea in the comments was very accurately continued by elon musk so many deaths for such insignificant results, as for the mask itself, the dogs were released for refusal helping starlinks in the war against russia is what billionaires are not easy to do. This is understandable, but another picture here catches the eye of a sky news journalist the next time someone starts telling you about the high ethics of the western press. Remember this propagandist from skywas. Its true that they led to the deaths of ukrainians, one ukrainian official said that through their actions. You helped putin, how do you comment on this . Vladimir putin called you an outstanding person, mr. Musk, you like it. Its true that ukrainians died because of your ignorance and feelings of selfimportance, one highranking official believes so. What is the free press tag worth . Western values ​​of democracy. We took a good look at it in 2020, they are enraged there in the west so that the belarusian cauldron does not work out and the ukrainian front has to be deployed. Listen to a famous lithuanian deputy. Diman is a sleigh, drops of shame when he throws it in your face, even as a fugitive you didnt take a single building, but you dont fight as you should, as you should lithuanians and ukrainians understand this. Eh, you looked at your revolution very beautifully. I was everywhere myself, but we still didnt understand. Why didnt you take a single building . Why didnt you fight these Security Forces . Why did you only go with flowers . This is a struggle, we must win this freedom, we must break and fight this regime. Who is speaking, question deputy. The first is the second, supposedly a politician of a neighboring state, and we constantly say that neighbors should live with each other. Normally the neighborhood is peaceful and this person is trying to uh, drive in, wedge to continue 3 years have passed since the situation in belarus escalated. Thank god, we have already figured out what happened, the bulk of us understood what people wanted to do here among themselves, and the concept of unity of the nation appeared. This miracle appears on the blue eye and tells what someone and what he did in his life, with whom he fought. Why is he talking about this now . Yes, thats exactly what its about. Why did he say this now, because by any means necessary to destabilize the situation in our state, find any reason, like the latvians, like the lithuanians. How poles are they now . The diggers are ahead of the rest of the planet, running to bite belarus to bite russia. Normal players are not getting into this yet. But this is hmm well, its no coincidence, of course, its not the American Flag of your colleague, whose interests it is. He says, this is understandable, a statesman of another state, officially declares in fact that lithuania does not accept the current government of the republic of belarus , officially declares that he supports attempts at a coup detat, and attempts by force to forcefully change the constitutional building in a neighboring country. Well, from a diplomatic point of view. Of course, we have already lowered the entire possible level of relations with them, but, in my opinion, there is still time and we are sure whether we have yours. In this case , our Foreign Ministry probably needs to react very seriously somehow, because this means an open declaration of war on our state, if you say so honestly and without any diplomatic equivocations. That is, they themselves came to power illegally within the framework of the then existing ussr and then this the criminal scheme for seizing power is being extended to other regions of postsoviet countries. We saw how with the support of the same lithuania and others. Uh, well, these were small players, but funding came from them and some of the participants in the event; moreover, after the maidan, lithuania copied the Ukrainian Government of its minister , a citizen of the lithuanian state, who was the minister of ukraine just like there were us citizens and georgian citizens ruled ukraine, anyone, but not ukrainians, when the same biden was sitting, they were in first place there to push aside president poroshenko in short, how to react to such words, react , firstly, uh, a tough response must be made to the world, in fact. And what should we treat in this case, uh, from the point of view. Eh, lithuania, for example, compared to belarus, its a dwarf, lets face it, of course, these threats must understand that they are training terrorists there. We must increase our vigilance within ourselves, but take it seriously. Lithuania will not declare war on us, because he doesnt have it. Well, lets continue, its a really interesting process. Touched on in the first part. Um, we are watching programs , mmm, warsaw and kiev, until quite recently, were so close , it seemed to everyone that they were native states to each other, but people who know history understood how much of an illusion this is, closeness, warsaw and kiva, there are a lot of open questions now we are seeing warsaw says , we wont let your wheat in. Grain ukraine says, and we are on the mark , which means apples and vegetables, and yuryevich knows both poland and ukraine very well and that it turns out that they have ended. Their bouquet for the candy period begins. Gray everyday life do you understand . I never had it, as if it were artificial, probably natural, they hugged and kissed. They are very true to the radius because both those actors and those actors, that is, on both sides. Only, probably, their theater is completely different, but thats all now. In their places, the regime of duda marowiecki kaczynski wants to catch the last carriage, because in a month they have parliamentary elections. They conducted relevant sociological research and saw that the absolute majority of poles are outraged, and the help that turns out to be to the nazi regime of zelensky and uh, with all the spending that they agreed to, they gave, therefore, Pay Attention to how suddenly the rhetoric changed dramatically, and it became. And even some people who seem to be belligerent towards ukraine are motivated by a desire to jump into the last carriage. Its a coincidence that this maximum aggravation happened. Just when zelensky flew towards the canoe , because from the outside it looks , you know, like fragments from a soviet film class. Hows the fight for the title of beloved wife of a dry comrade going . This is also impossible exclude. This also cannot be ruled out. Uh , of course, the poles want to pull all the flows completely over themselves, and it would be better for them if all this funding went to them and, as i said, about the polish side. Its through us that all these weapons come. They would have already distributed a little, of course, according to the polish tradition, biting themselves a piece of this pie, but the main thing from my point of view. The main motivation for such a conflict that broke out is definitely the desire to jump up. Here in this last carriage. He wants e duda marovets kachinsky this is the mode. Uh, threeheaded hydra. He wants to please the polish voter, but the polish voter is dissatisfied, and we see the result, including marginal political forces, including the forces advocating a complete cessation of funding for the zelensky regime, begin to gain certain percentages, which comes out of this. Marginal ghetto from this sociological error, well, from my point of view, of course, definitely. History shows that the relationship between ukraine and poland, given that in fact, now in poland there are the ruling elite, the spiritual heirs of those rulers who were in interwar poland in the 2030s, and there the policy was built primarily on lies and vociferous nationalism. We are now seeing this in poland and here there is definitely polish nationalism. It cannot be reconciled with the ukrainian, everyone remembers this volyn massacre and the claims of the polish authorities that they voice regarding the eastern lands. In the twentieth year. They declared that they needed all of belarus. For example, if we are talking about our country, it is quite natural here. This means all these deep contradictions. They poured out. One way or another, everything that happened meant some kind of rapprochement. It was immediate and my colleague was absolutely right that the task of those polish ruling figures today is to stay in power. In the Election Campaign that they will be holding, they will demand that what they are implementing is supported by the majority of voters who will come to the polling stations from here. Theyre trying get out, otherwise they give, as they say , back down, but again here it is necessary for the polish ruling elite to remember historical lessons. Yes, that means, how did the policy of their uh, spiritual fathers end from the twenties and thirties . When poland, in fact, between the war period, in my opinion, managed to quarrel with all its neighbors, yes, so it was almost the first there, that means it concluded friendly hugs from germany in the end. How did it end for poland . And how did the polish patrons of Great Britain and france behave at that time . Yes, they actually they betrayed the poles, they threw them to the slaughter , which means, and now the polish elites are repeating the same mistakes. This means they are creating such a policy of unscrupulous people around their ukraine , whipping up artificial hysteria, talking about some mythical belarusian threat. Again, we see a lie here and continue to pursue policies in the same spirit, focusing on the same thing. Britain, the United States of america , having forgotten what this orientation led to before the second world war, and the mythical belarusian threat in our country, yuri valerievich was among the threats to the polish regime. We found a paper here, well show it now. Uh , very curious, they want to put you on trial, they want to write you down as scoundrels, uh, polish authorities, but the court is somehow strange, its some kind of trial in absentia. I dont know more about the lawyer. What are these things . You know, this is a very interesting situation. Uh, poland is a democratic country, it declares you like this. Therefore, trials of uh, politicians are taking place in the form of such a stalinist troika. I want to say that for about a year, probably more than a year, i have been seeking the right to sue them for the fact that they are absolutely illegal. Uh, they included me and called me a threat to the National Security of the European Union, and only a year later, having received this right to sue. Uh, i received a paper saying that they would judge me, but without my presence, without the presence of my lawyer and the endless date and time of the court hearing, that is, they would send the Court Decision by mail. E. Well, thats why our viewers will probably be very curious. How is the political process going in poland and is it possible to throw a stone after all this . First of all, it concerns our compatriots who are there temporarily, is it possible to throw a stone at our garden, our justice, if, uh, we see such egregious things, egregious, probably unique in jurisprudence, in general, they have now, if you look at this example, many others bother ukraine, uh, polish society and many people are talking about what we see. How many corruption scandals there are. This is the story of hundreds of thousands of visas issued, which actually, uh, influence the migration crises to a lesser extent on our border in different parts peace and many started talking about the fact that after october 15, it will be hot, to put it mildly, if you remember the words of lech wales, he said that if duda remains, wait for a civil war. And how far can your forecast go, and im not ready to say that there will be a civil war in poland, since, well, in general, society itself is not yet. She is not ready for such a development of the situation, she does not want to strain herself too much. It relaxed a little. He doesnt want what happened in ukraine to suddenly happen; as for ukraine, this example doesnt particularly bother them. For one simple reason, that poland has been on the sidelines since the ukrainian crisis, it has received dividends in the form of Financial Support by replacing its weapons at the expense of the United States , using its structure as a hub in relation to ukraine, and i would also like to get these territories, so we dont say more plays its own game here. And as for the polish and polish people, they do not feel the burden of this war; they go there. Only who are mercenaries who go there to make money in their heads, having the prospect of what they will take there over time a piece of lviv its regions. Theres still some territory there. Uh, so lets say near the border, its like the icing on the cake in the long term and they thought about it all the time, youll remember the embrace that was between ukraine and uh, poland , permission for and uh, for polish citizens to be leaders on the territory of ukraine, leadership positions, because it was. And now, when the time has come to deal with the elections with our own people, in ukraine, or more precisely in ukraine , elections are expected and in poland there are elections and now there is no showdown. The people are now being dismantled. Elite who in one country and in another are trying to stay in power in ukraine, comrade zelensky, he clearly says, we need to remove the choice or pay, and give me money so that i can spend them in poland even more terrible, i tried to play the game on my own, not with , lets say, not listening to the recommendations of europe , tusk appeared here, who is today a european deputy. Who pursues the interests of europe and who has now been brought forward as an alternative to the current government and the things that he says, including, so to speak , scandals related to the sale of vis and the like similar political issues. They clearly show what is going on inside poland; they have much more internal problems than external ones, and its rightly said, uh, colleague. Ours says that he is now a problem for poland and for the European Union it is not he who is the problem, it is these politicians and authorities who are taking political steps that they do not take. If this continues, ukraine has frightened many, but it has not taught europe, it has only, uh, posed a question to it. Maybe it will cost us more than we expected just like this, therefore, in my opinion, there will not be a new revolution there. There will be an internal conflict, it may be an internal conflict with certain exits to the street and so on, but the poles will come to an agreement, they will agree among themselves, Something Like that. Well, first of all, i would like to make a note regarding my neighbor yuri, uh, the situation. This, of course, is not something unknown in jurisprudence, that is, a citizen of another state located on the territory of another state. For some reason, poland decided to bring into its jurisdiction judging according to some of its own laws. Uh what did . God knows what crime he committed, but without making it impossible for a citizen of another state to even speak out. Dont send your lawyer without telling when and where this trial will take place, that is. Well, i dont know what to call it. Well, im not a lawyer, but ive come across this a little bit with jurisprudence in general, that is , even the americans, when they extend their jurisdiction to the whole world, they somehow justify what they have. Interests here in this case. Uh, what opportunities are there . What interests does poland have in relation to especially Yuri Voskresensky . Well, its even difficult to guess. That is, this is, of course , complete nonsense, as for relations between ukraine and poland, it was initially clear that they were two countries that have a very rich, eventful history of mutual conflicts and contradictions throughout history. They had so many facts and facts on both sides. This is genocide, destruction of each other on the basis of nationality, religion and territorial disputes, which have not gone away, what united them now. It was undoubtedly. Russophobia against russia means that they had a common enemy. At this moment they are forced to hug and kiss, as soon as god forbid, this will not become a common enemy. This will immediately begin. The massacre between poland and ukraine will immediately automatically even now, even if they have a common enemy. There are also these complaints to each other, they havent gone away. We see how , uh, part of polish society periodically splashes out these claims into the public space and all these marches of anger take place and uh, the demands of the polish nationalists. Dont forget the massacre and this is emphasized a lot and what we are seeing now in poland when they beat ukrainian Migrant Workers there, when they call them names and find fault with them in every possible way, when they do their job as taxi drivers for sellers or someone else, there is complete disrespect from them. Uh, parts of polish citizens. They also have complaints that we took you here. Well give you food and drink here. And here you start, as a result of some uh, throwing horses, making a claim that you owe us even more and more, and that gap, which has now happened demonstratively. Eh, here, which in the margins it resulted in what we were talking about. At the beginning of the program, ah, a planned meeting that suddenly didnt take place. Eh, characterizes it very well, that is, despite the fact that there is a common enemy, everyone still has their own national interests, national interests. Poland, as was correctly noted here. This will turn into, uh, a powerful state within europe with its number of allies, to create this system between the seas, where poland plays a crucial role and poland does this not with the support of europe and brussels is doing this with the support of the United States, today it finds itself in such an interesting situation that it needs, firstly , in front of its own, it is not exactly not only the ukrainian sponsor of the United States, the United States is the main point of support for poland in its claims to any kind of power and in europe there would be no more usa and germany and france. Everyone else was simply eaten, so now, as they correctly said, it is, firstly, a sport for the championship of who is closer to the grandfathers body. Is it poland or ukraine, yes, to whom should more resources go, and at the same time, the question is, then there will certainly be no responsibility for these resources between poland and ukraine , there will be no real peace and no real Mutual Respect there, because its interesting that they intersect on september 17th. Now, to sum it up, we cant help but remember, and there. We are just talking about poland for the third time. We celebrated National Unity day as a young holiday, but somehow it quickly took its place. This means that he came to the court, we have a triad on may 9, july third, september seventeenth. Lets listen to the president , who made very important documentary shows messages, including for the poles , is it possible to forget how cannons were fired at belarusian villages, how belarusian children were beaten with rods in other peoples schools and how belarusians were mocked by russian ukrainians in a polish concentration camp in birch. This is all a fact. But for the sake of friendship with the polish people, we stepped over this pain. For god it was taken for weakness. But the lesson has been learned. Time has shown that our noble desire to live in peace was not appreciated by our neighbors. Im not talking about the polish people. Im talking about elite politicians who have been thirsting for revenge all these years. Well, i i think that the gods heard these words, especially ordinary poles. They sometimes give feedback, we see what they hear, but first of all. This was a message, and also for belarusians, not specifically this phrase that was heard in the minsk arena. What should september 17 remind us of . What should it teach us . How should todays belarusians mobilize us . Well, first of all , it should remind us of the role and importance of unity in our history, because if you and i think about it and look even deeper than september 17, 1839, belarus is geopolitical crossroads our ancestors have lived on this land for thousands of years and defended their right to live on this land and live as they see fit without the unity of the majority in this goal. Of course not , so what the president said clearly speaks of the importance of unity in our history, unity that gives us the right to live on this land and live as we see fit for the sake of someone elses interest. Do you know that we have entered an era of turbulence, regional conflicts and wars . It seems to me that pandoras box was opened with stories from kosovo, this is where it all began. From my point of view, thats why at the last meeting with the governor. Eh, the president of krasnodar said, yes yesterday, that all we see in ukraine are more flowers and berries to come. I agree with him. We are entering a difficult, difficult era and we must maintain stability and calm. Uh, in these conditions it is only possible with a combination of strong leader , National Unity, consolidation and development strategy. Now, if we have these three things, then we will stand and defeat nikolaevich and independence are very expensive and k provision is possible only under the condition of the unity of power and peoples. September 17 is a date that teaches us that the belarusian people have endured a lot. They tried to divide it, they tried to destroy it, dividing first one part and then another, despite the most difficult interwar situation, despite the conditions of the peace of riga, despite, uh, the beginning of the war. Uh, world war ii in europe , belarusian. The people managed to unite under these difficult conditions. We returned to each other. We created our common home. Now we are again they will try to separate us in order to destroy one by one, therefore, we need to very clearly understand the belarusians, as a people, as a nation, we must not now allow anyone along any lines of division to alienate us from each other, not by nationality, not by language, not by religion, if we clearly understand that we have our own country , our own state, our own nation for the interests of which we are ready to fight to the end and the only red line. As our president said on september 17, this is the state border and we will not give it up go, then we will save. Thank you very much for this conversation for today, see you in a week happily. 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