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like, give people opportunities who might not have necessarily had the name. like, i give people opportunities. people send me things to try things. i'm like, "oh! let's give her an opportunity". step out of the box and look in other directions. look for other people beside your normal clique of people. because i think the worst thing and the worst offences have been when you have people of colour and you have nobody in the trailer that they represent. it's not right, it's not fair. and every actor who sits in the chair should have an opportunity to have an artist who can do their skin tone, that can do their hairtexture. and there's no excuse for us, as hairstylists and make—up artists, in 2023, for us not to be able to do that. i mean, i also think it's a two—part thing. because i think in those higher level decision—making rooms, there needs to be more people of colour. 0h, definitely. and then, um... thankfully, women like us, i mean, i always have, you know, assistants of colour, or... me, too. because it has to... you have to create that space. it's almost like an each one,

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