Transcripts For BBCNEWS Victoria Derbyshire 20170524

Made desperate appeals to try to find her. Good morning. French Interior Minister said that the Manchester Bomber Salman Abedi is believed to have been travelled to syria and had proven links with so called Islamic State. This from the French Interior minister. He said that the manchester bomber, salman abedi, is believed to have travelled to syria and had, proven links with the Islamic State terror group. Good morning from manchester. Its a cool good morning from manchester. Its a cool, grey morning and this is a city thats still grieving, clearly. A city thats still in shock. So many people have said to me, they still cannot believe it happened. Let me tell you where were broadcasting from this morning. Were in Albert Square. It is in the centre of manchester, the heart of the city. Were in front of the town halland in the city. Were in front of the town hall and in this square which is where the vigil was held last night, collections of flowers have sprung up. This is at the bottom of a statue of a former bishop of manchester from the 19th century james frazer, but as you can see m essa 9 es james frazer, but as you can see m essa g es of james frazer, but as you can see messages of sympathy, of condolence, of solidarity actually to those who lost their lives in this city on monday night. With love from your scouse, mates, rob and jess. There isa scouse, mates, rob and jess. There is a light that never goes out. Underneath that, we will not be divided, we will remain united. Prayers and love from manchesters syrian community. You can see a Manchester United scarf there. Over here we have got a poster which says love overcomes hate. And that really was the message from the vigil here last night. A hot evening when thousands of people filled this square. Thousands and thousands of people and the bishop of manchester spoke and the Chief Constable of Greater Manchester police spoke in very moving terms about the city coming together and how what had happened on monday night would not divide the communities of this city. There was huge and heartfelt and grateful applause for the Emergency Services, the Chief Constable, ian hopkins saying, i thank you from The Bottom Of My Heart and your support means so much to my staff and all Emergency Services personnel and all Emergency Services personnel. There were tears through the minutes silence. And i have seen on social media some people saying, well how does Lighting A Candle stop the bombs . I talked to various people here last night. They said it makes you feel like were doing something however futile the gesture of coming together might be, it makes us feel like were supporting the relatives of those who were killed on monday night. The moment that really resonated with the crowd here last night was when manchester poet tony walsh, who is also known as long fella performed his poem this is the place. This is the place in the north west of england its ace, its the best and the songs that we sing from the stands, from our bands set the whole planet shaking our inventions are legends theres nowt we cant make and so we make brilliant music. We make brilliant bands. We make goals that make souls leap from seats in the stands and we make things from steel and we make things from cotton and we make people laugh, take the mick summat rotten and we make you at home and we make you feel welcome and we make summat happen, we cant seem to help it and if youre looking for history then yes, weve a wealth but the manchester way is to make it yourself and make us a record, a new number one and make us a brew while youre up, love. Go on and make us feel proud that youre winning the league and make us sing louder and make us believe it that this is the place that has helped shape the world and that this the place where a Manchester Girl Name of Emmeline Pankhurst. Applause. From the streets of moss side led a Suffragette City with sisterhood pride and this is the place with appliance of science were on it, atomic, we strut with defiance in the face of a challenge we always stand tall mancunians in union delivered it all such as housing and libraries, and health, education and unions and co ops, the First Railway station so were sorry bear with us we invented commuters but we hope you forgive us we invented computers and this is the place henry royce strolled with rolls and weve rocked and weve rolled with our own Northern Soul and so this is the place to do business, Then Dance Where Go Getters and goal setters know theyve a chance and this is the place where we first played as kids and me mam lived and died here, she loved it she did and this is the place where our folks came to work where they struggled in puddles, they hurt in the dirt and they built us a city. They built us these towns and they coughed on the cobbles to the deafening sound of the steaming machines and the screaming of slaves they were scheming for greatness, they dreamed to their graves and they left us a spirit, they left us a vibe that Mancunian Way to survive and to thrive and to work and to build, to connect and create and Greater Manchesters greatness is keeping it great and so this is the place now weve kids of our own some are born here, some drawn here, but we all call it home and theyve covered the cobbles, but theyll never defeat all the dreamers and schemers who still teem through these streets because this is a place that has been through some hard times oppressions, recessions, depressions and dark times but we keep fighting back with Greater Manchester spirit northern grit, northern wit in Greater Manchesters lyrics and theres hard times again in these streets of our city but we wont take defeat and we dont want your pity because this a place where we stand strong together with a smile on our face, mancunians forever because this is the place in our hearts, in our homes thats a part of our bones because manchester gives us such strength from the fact that this is the place. We should give something back. Always remember. Never forget. Forever manchester. Choose love. Manchester, thank you. Applause it was incredibly moving and you heard the applause for tony walsh. Well talk to him after ioam here in Albert Square. You can see behind me possibly people stopping to look at the tributes as they go about their daily business, but mostly in the square, its journalists from all over the world, television trucks, and reporters from everywhere to be honest. Were going to talk now to phil and kim dick. They were listening to tony walsh. Kim and phil were waiting in the foyer of Manchester Arena for their daughter and granddaughter who had been at the concert on monday night. Phil and philand kim, phil and kim, good philand kim, good morning to phil and kim, good morning to you. Good morning. The bomb went off yards from where you were standing as you were waiting for your daughter and granddaughter. What do you recall about what you saw and what you heard . It wasjust. We we re what you heard . It wasjust. We were laughing and waiting for our children to come out, all happy to tell us about the concert and there wasjust an tell us about the concert and there was just an almighty bang. Tell us about the concert and there wasjust an almighty bang. There was a flash and then an almighty bang. And then. And everything changed then. Everything changed. We were thrown to the floor. People were, there was rubble in the air. There was ash. It was like an ash snow falling and smoke. We got up. Our automatic, we got up and we realised the bomb had gun off, but we thought it had gone off in the arena. We thought we got the backlash and we just panicked and ijust started screaming, my babies are in there. My babies are in there. There was bodies everywhere. It was in chaos and. It was awful. It was awful. There was an eerie silence and wailing and crying and people just, people were going, i dont know. Wailing and crying and people just, people were going, i dont knowm was quite confusing The First Second Oi was quite confusing the first second or two. Astonishly you werent injured, i understand it, you were therefore able to help . Yes. You we re therefore able to help . Yes. You were able to help. One 14 Year Old Girl, is that right . Just staggering towards me. There was nobody with her. She was staggering towards me andl her. She was staggering towards me and ijust her. She was staggering towards me and i just went her. She was staggering towards me and ijust went forward to her to hold her because i thought she was going to fall over. I grabbed her and held her. There was blood coming out of her mouth and down her arm and leg. Her hair was all burnt on her head and her face and blood coming out of her mouth. There was a plastic bag that was burnt into her hair. Ijust held herand i was going, my babies. My babies. We got her out to foyer and out through the doors and on to the walkway. I said, you look after this little girl. Ill go and find the girls, oui girl. Ill go and find the girls, our daughter and granddaughter. Girl. Ill go and find the girls, our daughter and granddaughter. M itook our daughter and granddaughter. M i took her out of the foyer or i was trying to get her out of the foyer doors and her legs just gave trying to get her out of the foyer doors and her legsjust gave me and i dragged her out through the doors to get to lean against a wall. I laid her down and thats when the blood was coming out of her mouth. I thought i better lift her up. I lifted her up and dragged her against the wall and slumped her against the wall and slumped her against the wall and slumped her against the wall. I was trying to keep her you against the wall. I was trying to keep heryou and against the wall. I was trying to keep her you and there was blood pouring out. People were just running around and i wasjust screaming, my babies, my babies in there. Screaming, my babies, my babies in there. The girls were saying, iiti there. The girls were saying, im 0k. Its this little girl. I just had to keep her, i dont know, alive. There was confusion. Another little girl came walking, staggering everywhere with blood on her leg. She was crying for her mum. I couldnt reach her and i was holding the little girl up and telling them help is coming. The ambulance is coming and just be brave. Youre being really brave. And my husband was running backwards and forwards. I went back into see if our daughter and granddaughter were there. It was the time we were due to meet them. I went back into check if they were amongst the injured. Sol went back into check if they were amongst the injured. So i checked every Single Person there, to see if it was our daughter, grand daughter. And thankfully for us, it wasnt. They werent there. As my wife said, we thought the blast was in the arena. And we had caught the outskirts of it. But i went through the Security Doors where they check tickets, and that is when i saw there was no debris, and ash, and things through there. There was only what i believe to be the remains of the Suicide Bomber through there. All the destruction was out in the foyer. I had not seen my daughter or granddaughter amongst the injured. And i came back and told my wife. Me,| and i came back and told my wife. Me, iwas and i came back and told my wife. Me, i was trying to comfort this little girl, i dont know if i should say her name. We tried to keep her away, kept trying to close her eyes. I told keep her away, kept trying to close her eyes. Itold her she keep her away, kept trying to close her eyes. I told her she was brave, asking her name and who was coming for her, asking for her dads name, telling her she was brave. And the other little girl opposite, she was crying and crying. She was shaking. She was trying to ring her mum and her phone kept falling out of her hand. She talked to her mum, and was crying, i kept telling her she was brave, iam not crying, i kept telling her she was brave, i am not going to leave you, trying to comfort her the best i could. Everybody laid there, people. She was able, she managed to give you her mums phone number so to give you her mums phone number so you could make contact, and you eventually got through to your own daughter on the phone, didnt you. And me. It was around 20 minutes, i was praying my daughter was alive, praying for the injured. Was praying my daughter was alive, praying forthe injured. I was praying my daughter was alive, praying for the injured. I didnt know they were dead, but i hoped it would all be ok. I was trying not to be too hysterical, trying to keep this girl comforted, and the other one. You kept coming back and forth, didnt you, and a mum was in shock, wandering around. I told her to sit down next to me. She flopped down and started crying and crying. The staff in the arena were fantastic. There was no anderlecht or paramedics at that moment, just a couple of paramedics on duty for the event, and the Security Staff. They had bandages. First aid kits and bandages. Making sure the compression dresses for the young girls, most obviously, for the worst wounds, and kept on applying pressure. The blood was pouring. I ke pt pressure. The blood was pouring. I kept telling her, we needed an ambulance, we needed help, she was losing too much blood. The other girl opposite, on her leg as well. Then the police came. Then the armed police. But my daughter ran. I got one hand, iwas police. But my daughter ran. I got one hand, i was holding the girl up with one hand, i grabbed my phone, and spoke to my daughter, and i was so and spoke to my daughter, and i was so relieved. I asked if sasha was with her, she said yeah. You were trying to get in the arena, but they stop people coming out, and they came out of another door. She was alive, thank god, then i tried to concentrate on this little girl. The other one opposite me, and it seemed like a lifetime before the paramedics came. But the armed police whispered that we needed to check that there were no bombs before sending them up. They were all outside waiting. But what you did, what you both did, was remarkable. Thank you. It doesnt feel remarkable. People needed help. The Event Security, they were remarkable. They were helping as many people as they could. All we had were little first aid kits. But they were making sure they were near every Single Person that was injured. We were all looking in. I have seen the pictures online of the homeless guy that was helping people. He was there, he was running round to lots of people. He was offering help and comfort to everybody. He was a hero. The Event Security staff were heroes. There we re Security Staff were heroes. There were a Security Staff were heroes. There were a lot of heroes that day, but i dont. We dont were a lot of heroes that day, but i dont. We dont feel like were a lot of heroes that day, but i dont. We dont feel like heroes. We did what any parent would do. People needed help, and you step in and step up, dont you . |j people needed help, and you step in and step up, dont you . I am grateful you spoke to us this morning. Sorry, kim, go ahead. Grateful you spoke to us this morning. Sorry, kim, go aheadm seemed like a lifetime before the paramedics could come in. We put a little girl on the merchandise table, i knew her bones were broken, her legs and table, i knew her bones were broken, herlegs and arms. Table, i knew her bones were broken, her legs and arms. She was in so much pain. We were able to ring her mum, she told us her number, and we let her know that her daughter was alive. We managed through that to get in touch with the dad, and got her reunited with her dad. We kept telling her that her dad was coming. Isaidi telling her that her dad was coming. I said i wouldnt leave her, consta ntly i said i wouldnt leave her, constantly reassuring her, the little girl. That is all i could do. 0k, kim. Thank you. Think you so much for talking to us this morning. We can clearly hear the distress and shock still in the way you describe what you did on monday night, so we are very grateful to you this morning. Thank you. Philand kim dyk talking about how their daughter and granddaughter were safe. We know a further attack may be imminent. Thats what the Prime Minister said last night when she explained why the independentjoint terrorism analysis centre, j tac, had decided to raise the Terror Threat level to critical, the highest possible. We can speak now to baroness neville jones, the former security minister, dr david lowe, a Counter Terror and Security Expert from liverpoolsjohn moores university, and sir chris fox, the former president of the association of chief Police Officers, who orchestrated the Police Response to the 7 7 Tube Bombings back in london in 2005, and Hamed El Said who chaired a un taskforce on terrorism and radicalisation and now works at manchester metropolitan university. Good morning to you. Come in, as a former security minister, what is your reaction to the fact that the Terror Threat level has been raised to critical . What the government has done is prettyjustified. As i read the situation, i dont have inside knowledge, but as i read it the problem is that they have a Knowledge Gap about where and who the bomber is, whether he is still at large, and whether he is in the country. I think they feel they cannot take the risk of not being ready, and putting in place sufficient protection against further attacks. These situations dont normally last very long, but clearly, it is a very critical stage in their interest and is. And they feel they must give proper coverage to any eventuality. Sir chris hoy ochs, is it proportionate . To any eventuality. Sir chris hoy 0chs, is it proportionate . |j to any eventuality. Sir chris hoy ochs, is it proportionate . Ithink so. Ochs, is it proportionate . Ithink so. It is a vile attack sir chris foxx. They will visit all the premises and houses they have been involved in, and presumably find material that makes them wonder whether or not this guy was acting alone. That on its own, until that question is answered, then we have got to be very, very, very careful. You lead a task force on radicalisation, what. You had to learn, you have to try to understand what would radicalise someone to do this, to target british children and teenagers in this way . How would you a nswer teenagers in this way . How would you answer that . Well, it is absolutely very painful and absolutely u na cce pta ble very painful and absolutely unacceptable what happened two nights ago. I was pleased to see la st nights ago. I was pleased to see last night everybody coming together to reject this the northern and forced but we reject this phenomenal. Give us an insight into what you have learned. We know, for example, this is the fourth wave of terrorism we have faced since the 1980s in europe. This has been mostly made up of very young individuals coming from a subculture of hopelessness and no future. They are troubled in life, and they are troubling for their families as well. What we know about this man so far, and it is obviously early stages, he was born In Manchester, raised in this country, he was a student, he was reportedly a Manchester United supporter. Correct, thats what we know. What we dont know is he was a bad student, he had a bad relationship with his family as well. I spoke to a close Family Friend yesterday. He literally told me his parents were trying very, very ha rd me his parents were trying very, very hard to bring him back on the right path, and they failed to do that. Eventually, he was doing very bad at university, at his education, he didnt complete. They tried to ta ke he didnt complete. They tried to take him back to libya. He had difficulties adjusting to european life style. Difficulties adjusting to european lifestyle. Yes, he was born here, but he comes from a Second Generation of immigrants. This particular type of individual as we iiow particular type of individual as we now know, they have the most difficulties in adjusting to western lifestyles. The Prime Ministers said the latest intelligence assessments concluded it is a possibility we cannot ignore that there is a wider group of individuals linked to this attacker. How do you respond to that . I have to take it at face value. Indeed, the evidence seems to show that the explosives, and the way the bomb was built were fairly professional, not an amateur affair this time. You therefore cant exclude that there are active accomplices, and indeed, the person that made the bomb is still at large. There may be a further link to other organisations, other networks through those people. We may be chasing something which in the end turns out to be fairly small, but it is fairly possible that this can open up a Much Bigger Network as a result of investigation. That is what the Intelligence Services dont know at the moment, which is why they are being so very cautious about the level of protection they give us. |j know you had to leave us, thank you for your time. David know you had to leave us, thank you foryourtime. David lowe, know you had to leave us, thank you for your time. David lowe, from what we for your time. David lowe, from what we have learned about the individual that carried out the attack on monday night, and the kind of Explosive Device that he used, what do you draw from that . Explosive Device that he used, what do you draw from that . I am echoing what the baroness said there. Clearly, there is a level of sophistication here, and it looks like it is coming out that he may not have been acting on his own. You look at this type of attack, and that has those echoes. But you know, the right thing is happening here with this investigation, it is keeping all options open. And we wont have gone to critical for no reason at all. It was emphasised in your report earlier when you mentioned that jtac have advised that we go to this level. There must be information that they are looking at for that individual, and there is at for that individual, and there is a great threat at the moment. Sir chris, we can expect to see soldiers now, potentially, at big stadium, concerts, football matches, we have the fa cup final, the Champions League final next week, the championship play offs, sunday and monday, and so on, how alarmed should the British Public the . Should the British Public the . Should the British Public the . Should the British Public be. There isa should the British Public be. There is a difference between being alarmed and being vigilant. We have gone to this level, because information when investigating Something Like this doesnt flow out instantly, it comes out slowly as you may contact with associates, and you may contact with associates, and you learn more about it. At the moment, there are questions that arent able to be answered. Therefore, the extra security is to make people feel secure. You have to play your part as well, when you attend these events, be aware, be alert, and if necessary, speak to uniformed member of the Security Teams about anything that worries you. You will know that her majestys inspectorate of constabulary in said in march policing in england and wales is in a perilous state after 20 budget cuts to police norsz england and wales since 2010 forces in eng england and wales since 2010. Do the cuts make Police Forces more vulnerable, less able to prevent and thwart attacks like this . Lets be honest, its almost impossible to completely rule out an attack like this in a free modern, free, european world where people move about in the way that they do. The problem with policing at the moment the world is becoming so specialised, technology is changing the whole world of crime and terrorism as is the use of weapons. So the police are now having to have lots and lots of specialised office rs lots and lots of specialised officers which is very, very resource consuming. It consumes lots of money and lots of individuals. So my guess is now, having to respond to this type of crime and terrorism, that they are getting very stretched. People wouldnt have realised how Many Police Officers are involved in this event In Manchester at the moment, but the world goes on and they are trying to deal with the other things they normally deal with. My guess is life isa normally deal with. My guess is life is a very, very thin line. David lowe, you will know that its reported that the Suicide Bomber, salman abedi, had returned recently from libya. Its understood that his pa rents a re from libya. Its understood that his parents are from libya. What is the significance of that if its true . Well, if he has been travelling to libya, we are well aware since the fall of gaddafi it has been an u nsta ble state. Fall of gaddafi it has been an unstable state. We know there are various factions who have been fighting a civil war there including Islamic State and theyve lost some major territory in the region a few months ago, but i think this also looks at what potential there is for trying to help individuals like this. I know it sounds ridiculous, but im thinking about the Prevent Strategy and it shows how difficult this problem is, but you know, we have to try our best to try so individuals dont get as far as the attacker got on monday to try and draw them back and i think greater support is needed for t it has got its problems because it came to do with violent extremism. It is all forms of extremism including the far right. I think the government has got to start looking at trying to support those involved in prevent, to try and help individuals before they get to the stage that we saw on monday. Thank you all of you, thank you very much for your time. We appreciate it. Good morning. Were broadcasting to you from manchester. The Manchester Arena, scene of the uks worst Terror Attack since 2005 remains behind a Police Cordon as youd expect this morning as the investigation continues. Nearby, this square, around the town hall has become a focus, although not the only focus for people wanting to commemorate what happened. Here is a look back at some of the events since the attack on monday. Oh my god. After our darkest of nights, manchester is today waking up to the most difficult of dawns. This has been the most horrific incident that weve ever faced here in Greater Manchester, and one that we all hoped we would never see. But this attack stands out, for its appalling, sickening cowardice. Deliberately targeting innocent, defenceless children and young people, who should have been enjoying one of the most memorable nights of their lives. But when i think of manchester, the place that i know, i think of the spirit of the people there and im telling you, a more tight knit group of people you would be hard pressed to find. Silence. The audience was a very young audience, and there were a lot of people there without their parents, people were requesting that they could get taxis but they didnt have no money. It was at that point i made the decision that money isnt everything in life, and were part of manchester and we need to do our part to make sure that these people get home safe and sound. Well, we can talk now to our assistant political editor, norman smith who is at Downing Street where a Cobra Meeting is taking place right now, norman. At the cabinet office, do fill us in. This is the third Cobra Meeting in just 2a hours to be chaired by the Prime Minister. We are getting more details this morning as the meeting begins of some of the key lines of inquiry andi begins of some of the key lines of inquiry and i suppose the top line is that the government is now working on the basis that salman abedi was not working on his own. The big question mark is whether he was part of some broader Terror Network, what sort of help he had, is there a bomb maker out there who helped him construct what officials are describing as a relatively sophisticated device . In other words they do not believe that abedi was able to make this bomb on his own. They think there are other people out there who may have helped him construct it. We know now that Something Like 4,000 troops will be made avable to buttress the police. Now they will be at key installations. Im told we shouldnt expect to see hem in whitehall and westminster, more likely they will be at key events and key installations, Nuclear Power stations, energy plants, transport links, those sort of things. The thinking being to release the police who normally guard those sort of situations so they can focus on the Counter Terrorism operation. We also learn of what sounds like quite a tense conversation between the Home Secretary amber rudd and her us cou nterpa rts secretary amber rudd and her us counterparts after crucial information about the investigation was leaked to the media in the united states. Amber rudd got on the blower to us officials and gave them a piece of her mind. Officials say they are in no doubt about our views on that. She is publicly described it as irritating. The concern that it as irritating. The concern that it might compromise or have compromised aspects of the investigation here if it alerted associates of abedi that the Security Forces here knew who they we re Security Forces here knew who they were looking for. We also learn that the election, the restart of the election im told, may well be put off for several days. That is because the alert level has gone from severe to critical. We now will have troops deployed and while there is an on going Terrorist Investigation trying to wrap up a potential Terror Network i think the view is the prospects of the election starting soon are receding so that goes back, i would imagine, at least to the weekend. So there is at least to the weekend. So there is a number of new lines emerging from this meeting taking place behind me. And lastly, we learned that the government is going to bolster the so called Prevent Strategy. This is the antiradicalisation strategy giving more resources to those muslim groups, focussed against radicalism, support from local authorities, taking down from websites inflammatory material and that sort of thing but it has been hugely controversial prevent because there is a view, farfrom helping there is a view, farfrom helping the situation, it made it worse by alienating some sections of the muslim community. Amber rudd this morning insistent more resources will be put in, butjust listen to what ms rudd was saying this morning. Critical is the new level of threat. It means that we think an attack is imminent. We have been at severe for the past few years which means an attack is highly likely. Its a specific response to the events that we have seen In Manchester. We will stay at that level until we are confident that the operation has been concluded and then the threat level can reasonably come douvenlt one of the things the public will see potentially, depending on where they live, is that through Operation Temperer this now allows the police to access support from the military. So they may see certain amounts of Military Presence which will be in areas to keep them safe. The Home Secretary said she did not believe there was a need for additional laws, additional powers of scrutiny for the Security Services, but as i say the Pre Vent Strategy will be bolstered and that is controversial, not least, because the labour party has committed in its manifesto to fundamental review of Pre Vent Strategy and Jeremy Corbyn has been highly, highly critical of it. Thank you very much, norman smith for the moment. Albetter square in Central Manchester where we are this morning in the heart of the city. This is a square that frankly at the moment is filled with media from all over the world, although there are small collections of flowers where residents, workers, commuters, people who attended the vigil here last night have left them here, have left messages, messages including tag more in common. Messages including stay strong. I saw one cardboard, hand made cardboard poster that said, isis, you dont scare us, were manks. One very moving message, one card said, to all the Angels Heaven has gained. May you rest up there while we fight through this pain. In st anns square, people were Lighting Candles and laying flowers there last night. A simple minds concert went ahead here In Manchester last night, with frontman jim kerr saying that cancelling would have felt cowardly. You all right there . Cheering. Applause. Every night at this time, we welcome people and we say thanks for coming to see simple minds. No change tonight. Thank you very much. Applause. But tonight, obviously, is different. Events last night made it so tragically so. This morning, when we woke, there was a decision to be made. Do we play . Or do we cancel, leave town . And im sure if we had done that, everyone would have understood. There would have been a disappointment, but we would have felt cowardly. We would have felt cowardly, just leaving town. Especially manchester, a place that has been great to simple minds, since the earliest days. Thanks very much for coming to see us, but prior to starting, of course, of course, we just want to take one minute. Meditate, well play a bit of music and think of the victims of last night and their families. Applause. Music plays. Simple minds,jim kerr at simple minds, jim kerr at the Bridgwater Hall last night. Lets talk to some mancunians. I want to ask you how you think manchester has responded to this attack . Extremely well. The Emergency Services, i dont think we could have asked for better. And the council stepped in very quickly. Obviously, government stepped in very quickly. I dont think anything could have been done any better. What would you say . I would say the same. I have a taxi company, we offered free taxis to everybody coming back to South Manchester. We basically got around 157 people free taxis home. I left the office at 5 30 myself, we basically had people saying thank you very much. Everybody was amazed by everybody playing a part in it. What do you say . I echo the same, brilliantly, superbly, mancunian style. A lot of people have said the spirit of manchester, i have heard it so many times, i know what that means. Explain to our audience what that means. Our history serves as well. We are coming up to the centenary, the people that have come tojoin us, my father came from spain, there are asian communities, Afro Caribbean communities, it is the Melting Point of what we are, and our history going back, historically we have lived through worst times. The normality isnt there, it doesnt by any means feel normal. But social media has been really pertinent. What the lads did with the taxi services, the Emergency Services, it doesnt surprise me. Manchester has really good services, just about, to see the nhs gets 60 anglers is here was amazing. Social media has been amazing, contacting people i dont know, people looking for parents, addressing people they dont know, if they can come and help, get something they need, that is mancunian. Not having the gap between saying hello and not saying hello, not because someone had a sign, speaking to medical students away from home, spanish dude is that said it was worse in belgium away they responded. You had a friend caught up in monday nights attack, how is she . How wide and impact does it have on her Friends And Family . It is shocking, because you never think when you see it in the media, when it happens, you dont truly think it will happen to you or friends you know. She is ok, she had a hole in her leg. But she is out of hospital. It is really, really sad and heartbreaking to see and witness that someone close to you has been through that, and there is nothing you can do about it. You have two show your love and support and be there for them. You work for a charity here In Manchester called human appeal, what have you been able to do in terms of helping . First and foremost, i want to extend my condolences and sympathy is of the families bereaved. It is important to understand that human appeal, our players are with the family and that is important. In terms of the question, since yesterday, the phone has been ringing, we have galvanised people, there is a fantastic atmosphere, different religions, different ethnicities. We have also started to work raising money, raising £5,000 for families, we are looking to raise money through bt donate. There isa raise money through bt donate. There is a lot of support and galvanising of people. I was at an event yesterday, at the british muslim heritage centre, 200 people are proximally, and two boys that helped the medical services on the day and the medical services on the day and the day after, giving food, they started to break down and cry. 23 year old muslim pakistani lads, born and brought up here, and they couldnt stop crying. It hits them so hard. From all backgrounds, to echo what you are saying, what you are saying, in your own Community La St are saying, in your own Community Last night, to see the diversity again, and The Little Ones come to see them holding their arms out, and visibly distraught, there was advice for young people. At the same time, it isa for young people. At the same time, it is a real experience. And to be able to be with them, and for them to express that, and understand it is ok to express themselves. You work at the two manchester universities. What is the feeling among young people and students there . I echo my brother in offering condolences to the bereaved families. Unfortunately, yesterday, we families. Unfortunately, yesterday, we heard about an attack, a young Muslim Student was spat at. With children, it is fear. Young muslims are fearful. What are they fearful of . They are fearful of reprisal. Yesterday, it was beautiful. The vigil, i was here for it. Mancunian got together, but today, the mood is changing slightly. I have listened to the radio and there is anger. That is normal, it is normal to be angry. Who is the anger towards . My fear it is it is towards the muslim community. Yesterday, iwas surprised. I was happy what mancunians did. There were arguments in the crowd later on, but everybody came together, it disbursed, but i am fearful of what happens next. This was at 7 30, 8pm. There were arguments about what was happening. Fingers were pointed. That is my fear, what happens next . Where do we go from now . That is the next step. Young people are scared. They are scared. Those of you who were here as well last night for the vigil, a minutes silence, rightly so. The most enormous and heartfelt applause when the Chief Constable said, my staff will be so comforted by the support that youve shown. It was extraordinary. People should phone up extraordinary. People should phone up and show support to gmp for their thanks. E mail them, express gratitude to say, what an amazing response you did. One thing our old chief const set up many years ago was that we stand together, here at manchester town hall. It was about a very Diverse Community, we learned about each others religions and thoughts, and that was set up many years ago and it is still going strong now. We forget the background, we are a Diverse Community In Manchester. Everybody strives to get on with each other. When an atrocity like this happens, we all stand back in shock. Fingers being pointed, i have a friend that isa being pointed, i have a friend that is a travel wrap in egypt, he is muslim. The abuse he received from english customers yesterday was absolutely atrocious. To be spat at and sworn at, its not called for. We need to stand together and be positive together to get the right outcome from this. I will pause there, but thank you to you. I really appreciate your time this morning. Thank you. A birthday present, their first ever concert, a treat with friends, the Terror Attack here In Manchester which left 22 dead is all the more shocking because it was a deliberate attack against children and young people. Cbbcs Newsround Programme has been widely praised for their coverage of the attack and how to talk to children about it. This is a video they produced to help. There has been a serious attack In Manchester. It happened at a concert by singer ariana grande. Some people have lost their lives and others have been injured. Many more people came to help, offering those who were there lifts home and places to stay, orjust some comfort. When things like this happen, its totally normal to feel upset and worried. To think things like, why did this happen . Could this happen to me . Could this happen to my family and my friends . Am i safe . Whats important to remember is that although events like this are very sad, they are also rare. Worrying stories are often in the news because they dont happen very often. So what should you do if youre feeling sad or anxious . Talk about it you can speak to your parents, a teacher or an adult you can trust. They can reassure you and help you feel better. And remember, when things like this happen, most people are there to help. Professor rachel calam is a child trauma psychologist. When it comes to helping them deal with the trauma of this. Jan artingstall is one of the counsellors victims and families are being referred to, her daughter was caught in the ira bombing In Manchester when she was 16 years old. Darren randle, hes a headteacher from Hollingworth Academy in rochdale, hes been coordinating counselling for pupils and sessions for teachers and pupils to talk about what happened at the attack. How have you dealt with this at school . We looked at a plan to see how we could look after people, how the staff who are also upset with with what has happened, identifying children at risk, who have been at the concert. We dont have a register of what children do on the monday night, but we had an assembly to talk about the facts and how people go through that process. Rachel, what is your advice . Really to be very calm with children, to be reassuring. We know it is an event that has created enormous fear, but the actual risk is very low. Parents should be watching and waiting, really. Looking out for changes in their childrens behaviour, and really trying to deal with those in a very calm way, listening to what they have to say. Whats your advice and what is your own experience . Echo What Rachel said, being very calm, let children talk. They might wa nt calm, let children talk. They might want to ask the same questions over and overagain. Want to ask the same questions over and over again. And thats ok. Be mindful of the fact that they need a regular routine, they need things to stay the same. It is about giving them space, really. Obviously, they will be very confused and in a state of disbelief. The main question is, my own 10 year old said to me, an eight Year Old Girl has been killed, why . What is the answer to that question . It is a difficult one. We talked about that before we came on airand we dont talked about that before we came on air and we dont know the answer. M it all right to say we dont know . Absolutely. An autistic child asked me that question and i said there wasnt an answer. Coming back to what you said, it is very, very rare. We emphasised the response to people in terms of what happened, in terms of manchester pulling together, and communities coming together, and communities coming together as opposed to being broken apart. That is one thing we focused on in the day. Your own daughter was caught up in the bombing here 21 yea rs caught up in the bombing here 21 years ago, astonishingly, no one was killed on that day. The infrastructure of the centre of manchester was devastated, what age was she then . How did you and she coped with that . She was 15 at the time and had come into manchester on a saturday morning with her friend to do some shopping, and obviously, we heard on the news that the bomb had gone off, and it was about half an hour before we knew she was ok. But one thing i noticed with her shortly after was that she had a morbid fascination with the news. She wanted to watch all the Media Cove Rage , she wanted to watch all the media coverage, and all the paper cove rage. Coverage, and all the paper coverage. And i very quickly thought, she needs to talk to someone, independently. Which i arranged at the time. At the moment, i work for an organisation In Manchester called talk, listen, change. They have offered free counselling for any victim, any person involved in the atrocity on monday. Some people, and it is fair enough, some people ask a double are sceptical. It is important to talk to people you are comfortable with. It doesnt have to be a counsellor. It can be a relative, a teacher, a person the child gets on with, or trusts and feels what she gets on with. Some people will experience, the feelings made be overwhelming. Understanding the mind is processing what has happened, and over the course of weeks, they are likely to settle down. But it is if it persists. If people experience it months from now, they should check m, months from now, they should check in, look to get extra help, look for counselling, or talking to a gp about who might be able to help. Very briefly, whats the situation with exams . Anybody involved that may have exams coming up . The exam boards have said that exams should continue as normal, but for schools to put in special consideration, children should not be disadvantaged. And thats the right approach, isnt it . I believe so. Thank you very much. We are grateful for your time. Thank you. The advice is to explain that this is a very rare event, but it does happen and there are bad people, but it is rare. Good morning. Its 10am. This morning, Manchester Defiant in the face of terror. We love manchester. The Prime Minister is currently chairing the governments emergency Cobra Meeting in london as the official Terrorism Threat in the uk is raised to critical. This means that their assessment is not only that an attack remains highly likely but that a further attack may be imminent. It has emerged that the attacker salman abedi was known to the Security Services and its unlikely he was acting alone. The mother of a 15 Year Old Girl whod been missing since the explosion has revealed that she was one of those killed. Olivia campbells family had made desperate appeals to try to find her. Weve been hearing more tales of heroism and bravery. One couple tell us how they helped a teenage girl while their own family remained inside. Ijust held her and i was going, my babies, my babies, and you just said, im going to hold her. We dont feel like heros. We just did what any parent would do. Good morning. Itsjust after 10am. Were live from manchester. Its a grey, cool, morning. Were broadcasting to you from the heart of the city, from Albert Square which is the main square in front of the town hall. This is where the vigil was held last night, attended by thousands and thousands of people. This morning in the square, its mostlyjournalists, reporters and media from all over the world, but as you can see collections of flowers where people have left m essa g es flowers where people have left messages and they have Lit Candles Asa messages and they have lit candles as a mark of respect because people wa nt to as a mark of respect because people want to do something. I can tell you that another victim has been named by herfamily, that another victim has been named by her family, Kelly Brewster from sheffield has been confirmed as one of the dead. Her partner has written, Kelly Brewster has passed away in the Terror Attack. We had so many things planned together. My daughter will be absolutely devastated like we all are. We have another victim named, Kelly Brewster from sheffield. Sheffield. Well, lets bring you right up to date with the very latest on the investigation. The suspected Bomber Salman Abedi was a 22 Year Old University drop out who was known to Security Services. He was born here to libyan parents and its thought he may may have travelled to libya earlier this month, returning just a few days ago. The priority now is to establish if he acted alone. The Home Secretary, amber rudd, has said it was a sophisticated attack which suggests others were involved. As has been pointed out this, this was a horrific violent event. It was more sophisticated than some of the horrific events that we have seen in the past or in other parts of europe. So people are reasonably wondering whether he did this on his own . Im making sure that the police and Intelligence Services during that investigation have the support they need to find out who might be, who might have been working with him because ultimately our focus is a lwa ys because ultimately our focus is always going to be on making sure that we keep people safe and making sure they keep them safe is the best way to do that is to ensure that this operation ends. The official Terrorism Threat level in the uk has been raised to critical which means an attack is expected imminently. The armed forces will now help police, with troops being posted at some sites across britain including Buckingham Palace, Downing Street, some embassies and the houses of parliament. Soldiers may also be seen at other events over the coming weeks, such as concerts, working under the command of Police Officers. Lets talk to frank gardner. What do we lets talk to frank gardner. What do we know about the attacker and the attack . Well, we probably know less than what m15 and the police know about him. But he was born In Manchester in 1994, that he had spent sometime in libya. The exact dates are not certain, but its thought that he came back in the last few days from libya and this is a worrying thing because the device that he detonated was relatively sophisticated. As well as using a viable explosive that worked obviously, it contained nuts and bolts, this is a complete sea change from the kind of low tech rather amateurish attacks that we saw across Continental Europe last summer. This took planning and it would have taken reconnaissance, they selected their target carefully, it maybe no coincidence that it was an american singer so thats why the Security Service and the police are thinking that there must be other people involved here possibly an Expert Bomb Maker and thatis possibly an Expert Bomb Maker and that is their nightmare scenario, that is their nightmare scenario, that it that is their nightmare scenario, thatitis that is their nightmare scenario, that it is somebody who is at loose in the uk, who is simply not on their radar. Thats only one theory that theyre going down. So in terms of this man abedi, he is from a libyan background. His pear was an opponent of colonel gaddafi and they left libya and he has links, the father, with something called the li fg father, with something called the lifg which was an alqaeda linked group that was opposed to colonel gaddafi in the 19905. Hes thought to have returned to libya. Libya, of course, is in chaos ever since the overthrow of gaddafis regime, the country turned into a failed state and there are pockets of isi5 controlled territory and alqaeda controlled territory and alqaeda controlled territory and of course, it was from libya that a person emerged with a kalashnikov and murdered 30 tourists at sousse two years ago. The attack In Manchester is the 13th deadly Terrorist Incident in europe since january 2015. You can see here more people arriving to lay flowers asa more people arriving to lay flowers a5 a mark of respect. The attack In Manchester is the most deadly in the uk since the 7thjuly Ballings In London in 2005. Lets talk to Graham Foulkes whose son david died in the 7thjuly bombings in london 12 years ago. Graham now works to steer young people away from extremism. Tony scott survived the attack on the Bataclan Theatre In Paris by escaping to an apartment above the venue. Thomas tran dinh who we spoke to on the programme just after the bataclan attacks. He was a survivor and he was at that gig some of you may remember him for his amazing positivity and sense of hope. Also with us In Manchester, poet tony walsh, whose words at the vigil yesterday sparked a huge reaction from the crowd here at Albert Square. Graham, im going to begin with you ifi graham, im going to begin with you if i may. You, more than most, know what family and friends have to deal with in the aftermath of a Terror Attack. What are your thoughts today . Its hard to describe really because i remember it so vividly. You just go into complete meltdown. You just go into complete meltdown. You spend hours wondering, trying to make sense of something that doesnt make sense of something that doesnt make sense of something that doesnt make sense and you spend hours and hours silently screaming. Its not possible to find words to describe really whats going on in those peoples minds at the moment. We should all be thinking about them. Let me bring in tony and also thomas. Tony, when you first heard news of what had happened here In Manchester, what went through your mind . I wasjust devastated to hear that Something Like this had happened again and you know particularly that it was targeted at young people. I have a 13 Year Old Girland she young people. I have a 13 Year Old Girl and she could have been there, friends could have been there and itsjust friends could have been there and its just absolutely tragic and i know our families went through while we we re know our families went through while we were in paris and you know i know what we went through and for me, you know, those people just need all the support they can get and its essential and its one of those things that wont necessarily come looking for you, you have to go looking for you, you have to go looking for you, you have to go looking for it. We got very little proactive support when we came back from paris. So my advice is if you know somebody thats caught up in it, make sure that you know you give them the information and dont let them the information and dont let them have to wait and discover it for themselves because you know, ultimately thats what we had to do, you know. People need that and the other thing that reflects with me is just the people In Manchester, the stories ive heard on the news, the people have reached out and have been absolutely amazing. Its the spirit of people as well. We witnessed very similar in paris, you know, the Human Resolve in such situations is, you know, absolutely amazing and you know the poem that was read last nightjust captures that for me. And you have said tony that for me. And you have said tony that your experience in paris in november 2015, you saw the worst of humanity and you saw the best of humanity . 0h, without a doubt. Without a doubt. We have to focus on that at times like this because this isa that at times like this because this is a horrific attack, but those people are a minority and we have to remember that. Let me bring in thomas. Thomas, hello to you. Hi. Thank you very much for talking to us again. You, i mean, you have drawn a love heart on the whiteboard alongside you. Tell us why. Its for you, you know, its for all the poor young hearts that were lost, you know. Its the first time i got myself on the news in a year and a half and its the first time that i felt i needed to talk with you if i had the chance because we have all been through rough times to be honest and i know whats ahead of those people, those young people, and its hard and as tony said, sometimes you dont have good advice. So maybe if i could only help by giving the tips i have been through, you know, and to help them in the future. So the heart, i knowi to help them in the future. So the heart, i know i said Something Like love has to prevail, we have to love each other and i still believe it. No one teaches us how actually. Its not easy, you know. You have hate is so easy and you can have such a big impact by doing hateful acts and when you do loveful acts, it is always more, you know. In our society, we dont cherish the small things, we cherish the big impacts. Everyone wants to be, i dont know, but there is that strive to do something big, you know, but we have to cherish say hi to your neighbours. It seems nothing, it changes the world. Imagine if all your neighbours do that all the time on the bus. So its really hard and we have to build that resilience to hate, you know and so in many countries in the political elections we have this struggle between lets say tolerance against intolerance, but the thing i observe from my tiny spot is sometimes you fight intolerance by being intolerant yourself and it doesnt work. You cannot go and say to someone, youre not a good person. They wont change. So try to say, hello. I hear your position. Lets discuss. Id like to understand. But its hard. But if everyone tries to do those lilacses every day well get somewhere better. I really believe that, you know. But its really hard. Let me bring graham back in. Sorry to interrupt. I wanted to bring graham back in who lost his son, david in the 7 7 bombings. Can you explain, graham, how it is possible when you lose a son, how you go on . I dont know the answer to that. There is no option, you arejust supported so well by Friends And Family. But you take each day as it comes, initially. And then you just learn to cope, but it never changes, it never goes away. When i get up andi it never goes away. When i get up and i leave my bedroom, the first thing i see is his bedroom door. The last thing at night, i see his bedroom door. Every day, i try to make sense of what is a senseless thing. These attacks, all of them now thing. These attacks, all of them now have brought about no change whatsoever. You wrestle with that conundrum all the time, why are they doing it when it achieves nothing . Why . It is a difficult thing to do. What i would say gives, trust in your friends, trust in your relatives, and take each day, day by day of that is the only option you have. The victims who have been identified so far, and eight Year Old Girl, Saffie Roussos, Georgina Callander, a 28 year old, John Atkinson, john was from bury. Georgina was from chorley, and Saffie Roussos was from near preston. That goes through the generations. What it illustrates is, the same as in london, these people really do not care. They are brutal, they have no humanity at all. And yet, we are not brutal buying nature, we are humanitarian by nature. That is the difficult thing we nature. That is the difficult thing we cant cope with. That is in your head all the time, how can somebody be so cold, brutal, so thoughtless, so lacking in compassion . All i want to do is live my life with my children and my family, and my friends. We want to live in a nice, peaceful, friendly world where we get on with each other. When they clash, that tension is really very difficult to cope with. I understand, because i have been there, i suppose, understand, because i have been there, isuppose, these understand, because i have been there, i suppose, these people will scream in silent pain at the moment. I would say to any Friends And Family helping them, find out who their doctor is, get their gp to go to them, because you dont sit there thinking, i to them, because you dont sit there thinking, lam to them, because you dont sit there thinking, i am in meltdown, to them, because you dont sit there thinking, lam in meltdown, i need help. Help as to come to you. If you are Friends And Family of one of these people, get their gp, find their uncle or brother, bring them round and support them. Let me ask thomas and tony before i bring in tony walsh, the poet read his words last night at the vigil, as two people that have survived Terrorist Attacks and gone through that trauma of having to flee to escape gunmen ata gig of having to flee to escape gunmen at a gig where you go to have a brilliant time, when you are on a high, full ofjoy, brilliant time, when you are on a high, full of joy, how brilliant time, when you are on a high, full ofjoy, how do you deal with what you have experienced and arejust so with what you have experienced and are just so that you can continue to live your life . I remember the first days, i was in shock and i didnt know what would be the next minute or hour. I would recommend anyone to seek professional help. And as a technique, there is an eye movement, i dont render, we processing something, it works really well for the really immediate ptsd. When you already go there, and after that, it isa already go there, and after that, it is a long journey. I am still in it, i dont know. It is strange. You wrote music to try to help yourself. Yeah. With a friend that was with me that infamous night, we wrote and recorded an album describing our journey, from dark moment into the light. We wrote it for this case, so its sad that we still need to talk about this kind of case. It helps to write it down and put it behind you, if you can put it behind you. But moving on, trying to move on is all you have to do. Let me ask tony, what would you say . Thomas described it as moving on, it is not always possible. Is there a way of adjusting, though . Forjustine henin and icon it was music, going to concerts and gigs. Just for us it was something that we didnt want to not do because of what had happened. We had tickets for a what had happened. We had tickets fora numberof gigs what had happened. We had tickets for a number of gigs following the article on attack. The bataclan theatre attack. The first was at Manchester Arena, we went to see faithless. For a long time, going back to gigs, we were extremely on edge. The first thing we would do is look for exits. We pushed ourselves through a barrier with it. We werent going to let the stop us doing what we do. We think about it all the time, there doing what we do. We think about it allthe time, there is doing what we do. We think about it all the time, there is no getting away from that. Every gig we go to, it is still there at the back of your mind. Its a part of our being. We wont let anybody take that away from us. We are going to an event this weekend, i am taking my daughter with us as well. We are still going to do that. Thank you, tony. Thank you for coming back on the programme. Thomas, thank you very much, with your message of love and hope, and resilience. Thomas and tony were at the Bataclan Theatre In Paris in november, 2015, when gunmen got into the theatre and started to shoot. That was part of a co ordinated series of Terrorist Attacks on the french capital, 139 people died, almost 90 were killed in that theatre at the gig. Graham is still with me. His 22 year old son david was killed in the 7 7 bombings. Tony walsh is also here. Good morning to you. I was here in the square last night with thousands of other people as you read your words. Your poem about manchester. Tell us about you and when you wrote that. My name is tony was, i am a poet based In Manchester, i am full time with my work here. I wrote the poem a fuel years ago. It was commissioned by a charity called forever manchester, they give out money to grassroots organisations. Lines like, some are born here, drawn here, gaining residents, lines like there are hard times, gaining new residents. I grew strength from the gathering here last night. Whatever my challenge was last night, it has nothing to the challenge of many people, challenges that people face it. Are you happy to read it again for our audience . I said goodbye to thomas and tony, they are still listening to us. They havent necessarily heard your words. Is that all right . Would you the full piece . If you dont mind. Put your earpiece in and they can talk to you. This is the place in the north west of england its ace, its the best and the songs that we sing from the stands, from our bands set the whole planet shaking our inventions are legends theres nowt we cant make and so we make brilliant music. We make brilliant bands we make goals that make souls leap from seats in the stands and we make things from steel and we make things from cotton and we make people laugh, take the mick summat rotten and we make you at home and we make you feel welcome and we make summat happen, we cant seem to help it and if youre looking for history then yes, weve a wealth but the manchester way is to make it yourself and make us a record, a new numberone and make us a brew while youre up, love. Go on and make us feel proud that youre winning the league and make us sing louder and make us believe it that this is the place that has helped shape the world and that this the place where a Manchester Girl Name of Emmeline Pankhurst from the streets of moss side led a Suffragette City with sisterhood pride and this is the place with appliance of science were on it, atomic, we strut with defiance in the face of a challenge we always stand tall mancunians in union delivered it all such as housing and libraries, and health, education and unions and co ops, the First Railway station so were sorry bear with us we invented commuters but we hope you forgive us we invented computers and this is the place henry royce strolled with rolls and weve rocked and weve rolled with our own Northern Soul and so this is the place to do business, Then Dance Where Go Getters and goal setters know theyve a chance and this is the place where we first played as kids and me mam lived and died here, she loved it she did and this is the place where our folks came to work where they struggled in puddles, they hurt in the dirt and they built us a city. They built us these towns and they coughed on the cobbles to the deafening sound of the steaming machines and the screaming of slaves they were scheming for greatness, they dreamed to their graves and they left us a spirit, they left us a vibe that Mancunian Way to survive and to thrive and to work and to build, to connect and create and Greater Manchesters greatness is keeping it great and so this is the place now weve kids of our own some are born here, some drawn here, but we all call it home and theyve covered the cobbles, but theyll never defeat all the dreamers and schemers who still teem through these streets because this is a place that has been through some hard times oppressions, recessions, depressions and dark times but we keep fighting back with Greater Manchester spirit northern grit, northern wit in Greater Manchesters lyrics and theres hard times again in these streets of our city but we wont take defeat and we dont want your pity because this a place where we stand strong together with a smile on our face, mancunians forever because this is the place in our hearts, in our homes thats a part of our bones because manchester gives us such strength from the fact that this is the place. We should give something back. Always remember. Never forget. Forever manchester. Choose love. Wow. Applause graham, it is moving. It sums up manchester, beautifully. There is independence here, a Maverick Streak here, but ultimately, there is a spirit of solidarity here. The mood in the square last night before i spoke. The mood i was reading was that we were a tolerant, diverse place and we will not be dragged down into hatred and bigotry, and intolerance. The end of the poem, choose love was said spontaneously, it has struck a cause. Choosing love rejects hatred. I hope you can hear thomas and tony. As you were listening to tony walsh re signed that from of manchester from the heart of the city, which is grieving and in shock, how do you respond . Heart of the city, which is grieving and in shock, how do you respond7m is absolutely spot on. Love not hate. It always has to be love not hate. It always has to be love not hate. Hate will divide us, love will embrace us. Spot on. As a massive music fan myself, i am moved by the bata cla n music fan myself, i am moved by the bataclan theatre incident. We go to concerts to celebrate the best of who we are and what we are. To see and share Magnificent Music and art, Amazing Sporting Achievements in an arena. We stand there with family and friends, and at a community, we bond with strangers, we put children on our shoulders, and that is what we are about. For that to be desecrated last night, the day before yesterday, it is heartbreaking. Thomas, what do you wa nt to heartbreaking. Thomas, what do you want to say to tony . It is really uplifting. It is what we need. We all share this planet, too. Lets unite, we are all brothers and sisters. I am with you. Everyone should be with you. Its been very moving to me to start to appreciate how this poem has resonated with people, notjust In Manchester, but around the world. I am still trying to process the news here, and focus on those who have lost loved ones. That is what it is about. If the poem has helped in a tiny way, that is pleasing. Thank you very much. Thanks for talking to us this morning. This is bbc news. Victoria derbyshire with you. In the past few minutes the first picture of suspected Bomber Salman Abedi has emerged. This is what we know so far about him. A 22 Year Old University drop out, he was born In Manchester to libyan parents. Its thought hed recently travelled to libya, only returning back to the uk a few days ago. The Home Secretary, amber rudd, said this morning that he was known by Security Services Up To A Point and the priority now is to establish if he acted alone or had help . She said it was a sophisticated attack which could mean others were involved. Police have been carrying out a series of raids in areas of manchester where hes known to have lived. Being reported by reuters that the palace of westminster, britains parliament, will close to the public with immediate effect due to the increased Security Threat after the attack here In Manchester. Prime minister, theresa may, saying that britain faces a critical Security Threat meaning that another attack could be imminent according to reuters. That is leading to the palace of westminster, the House Of Commons and the House Of Lords effectively being closed to the public with immediate effect. As a consequence, all tours, events and banqueting will be cancelled and this arrangement will remain in place until the advice changes. This on the parliaments website. As you know, parliament is not currently sitting because of the general election taking place on 8thjune, but general election campaigning is still suspended and its not clear when it will resume. And, you may already have heard Ariana Grandes concerts at the 02 arena in london have not been postponed or cancelled, but the havent usay they are in contact with promoters about are in contact with promoters about a final decision. So at the moment, Ariana Grandes concerts at the 02 on thursday and friday havent been postponed or cancelled, but the havent usay they are in contact with promoters about a final decision. Good morning, it is 10. 32am. My name is victoria derbyshire. Were broadcasting live from the centre of manchester this morning. We are in the heart of a city, probably about a mile or so, a mile and a half from where the attack took place on monday night. 22 people were killed. 59 people we re 22 people were killed. 59 people were injured. Here in this square, this Town Hall Square, this Traditional Cobbled Town Hall Square in front of the beautiful old building, is where a vigil was held last night and thousands came, thousands came and left flowers. You can see some of the flowers behind me. There are not loads, but there are different points around the city where flowers are being left and m essa g es where flowers are being left and messages are being left. At least three points in Albert Square where we are now three points in Albert Square where we are now and also st anns square, there was many people there and again quieter there, Lighting Candles and saying prayers and many people in tears, pupils in school uniform, they had come from school with their parents to pay their respects. Three men have arrested in South Marriage in connection with the attack on monday night. Greater Manchester Police in the last minute say that three men have been arrested in South Manchester in connection with the bomb attack on monday night. Greater Manchester Police say three men have been arrested in South Manchester in connection with the bomb attack here on monday night. Obviously the investigation continuing and will continue for many hours, days and weeks ahead. They are trying to find out more, trying to find out more about the individual who carried out the attack, 22 year old salman abedi. It is reported that he had recently returned from libya the his parents are libyan, refugees from libya. He was born In Manchester. Born and brought up here. Let me introduce you now to the leader of the Manchester City council, sir Richard Leese. Good morning to you and beverley hughes, a former mp, and do tell me your title now. I have it written down. Im deputy mayor with a lead on police and crime. Right, 0k. A lead on police and crime. Right, ok. Thank you very much forjoining us here today. Sir Richard Leese as leader of the city council how do you think manchester has responded to this attack . I think they responded magnificentically and clearly there is a lot of grief and there is a lot of pain, but even on monday night and the early hours of tuesday morning, manchester, businesses and individuals came out to help victims. Yesterday, we saw a vigil of people of all ages, all colours, all backgrounds, coming together to share, i think, share hope as much as anything else and what we will see over the coming daysis what we will see over the coming days is manchester, to the extent you can in the face of a tragedy of this sort, getting back to normal and demonstrating to terrorism theyre not going to win. Theyre certainly not going to win in this city, they will not change the way we city, they will not change the way we live our lives and they will not stop us getting on with our every day lives. In terms of the response of the police here and Emergency Services, personnel, im sure you were here last night when there was huge applause for what Emergency Services personnel had done, and what the police had done, the Chief Constable of Greater Manchester police, ian hopkins said, i thank you from The Bottom Of My Heart. How do you believe the Police Responded . Well, i certainly think so far, i would agree with that. I think the speed of the response, there was an early responder on the scene within six minutes who was in the vicinity and all the Emergency Services, then came on the scene very, very quickly. But beyond that, the integration of the police here in Greater Manchester, with the national and regional Counter Terrorism expertise, the backing in of the health service, the local authority, i spoke to the person on gold command last night. Thats the person in charge of the operation. She said it has been remarkable the Multi Agency Co ordination and integration and. That will continue. You are prepared foran that will continue. You are prepared for an event like this, but perhaps not the scale of this. Is that fair . I think thats probably true to say. But, you know, the police and the Emergency Services are prepared. They practise regularly. And you hope that when if The Real Thing happens all of that Routine Internalalised response kicks in and the evidence is on this occasion, it clearly did. Sir Richard Leese, this isa clearly did. Sir Richard Leese, this is a city thats grieving, that is in shock. There was clearly a lot of defiance last night and a lot of people saying, we will come together. We will show solidarity. Other people have suggested that Lighting A Candle, gathering in a square is not going to stop Suicide Bombers. What do you say to that . Well, its not. Of course, its not. Manchester is not officially one of the worlds most resilient cities for nothing. It is because the sorts of things that beverley have been talking about have been practised and have been rehearsed that people know what theyre doing, but just like last night we had thousands of people in the square this morning, i was talking to hundreds of businesses who clearly want to know whats going on and so on and delivering the message for them that they need to play their part of getting Business Operating normally and it is that that really defeats terrorism. They want to kill. Their aim was to kill, but they also want to disrupt the way we live our lives because their aim is to destroy the way we live our lives. Actually by saying, no, were not going to let you do that, were not going to let you do that, were not going to let you disrupt the way we live our lives, it is part of the way we beat terrorism. Yes, we need to look at security and we need to look at policing and we need to be alert, we need to do all of those things, but at the same time, we have to get on with living our lives the way we wa nt to with living our lives the way we want to in this country, living in freedom. Thank you very much both of you. Richard leese, leader of Manchester City council and beverley hughes, deputy mayor, thank you very much for your time. To repeat the breaking news from Greater Manchester police, three men have been arrested in South Manchester in connection with mondays bomb attack. I can also tell you that the changing of the guard at Buckingham Palace has been cancelled today. That ceremony has been cancelled so that Police Officers can be redeployed. That from the ministry of defence. The changing of the guard ceremony at Buckingham Palace has been cancelled today. A Cobra Meeting at whitehall has just broken up meeting at whitehall has just broken up and norman smith is there. What can you tell us, norman . Well, vic were going to get details now of the deployment of the troops who are going to be made available to replace Police Officers so police can get on with the Counter Terrorism operation. Were told there will be 400 to 800 troops made available initially building up possibly to nearly 4,000. You may not see them on the streets. They are more likely to be at key facilities, such as power plants, key transport terminals, that sort of thing to release police. The other thing, i think, of thing to release police. The other thing, ithink, worth of thing to release police. The other thing, i think, worth saying, the signs are the ceasefire over the general election is beginning to fray. Ukip announcing they will resume campaigning tomorrow with the launch of their manifesto. Now, this, whenjust launch of their manifesto. Now, this, when just talking to figures in government, they are suggesting that it should be delayed for several days. Ukip deciding theyre going to go for it anyway. I dont think any of the other main parties will follow them, whatever their impatience might be, so ukip saying that you cannot put democracy on hold. That would be a victory for the terrorists and therefore, they are going to go ahead with their launch. A pretty controversial move i would suggest and one which i think they will probably be taking on their own. Last thing worth saying, interesting really, there appears to have been quite a severe spat between the Home Secretary and her american counterpart over the fa ct her american counterpart over the fact that key he will of the investigation to manchester were lea ked investigation to manchester were leaked to the us media. Amber rudd was on the blower to the us authorities demanding that there was no repeat of that and her officials insist they have got the message, but quite unusual really to have a Home Secretary picking up the phone and giving the us authorities a piece of her mind. Thank you very much, norman, norman smith live from whitehall. Venues across the uk say they are stepping up their security and people should allow more time when they go big events. Some people caught up in monday as attack have criticised security at the Manchester Arena saying they were waved through the door without proper bag searches. It isnt the first time concern has arisen about security at venues. Heres our entertainment reporter chi chi izundu. There was dead bodies everywhere. Your instinct was my children, my children ive got to get my children. We saw families and stuff crying and shaking. We saw families and staff crying and shaking. It was horrible. With being told to expect a terrorist attack, and a crowded venue like a concert was a likely target. Mondays bomb was the second major fatal incident attributed to terrorists at a music venue in less than 18 months. The first was carried out very differently. I was on the phone to my friend and he could hear the rounds of gunfire. Terrorists were shouting to stay down, dont move. Well shoot you. 90 people were killed in the Bataclan Theatre In Paris. They were there watching the American Rock Group the eagles of death metal, when three gunmen stormed into the theatre and started shooting. Ive been investigating to see whats changed since that attack in november 2015. I think that there are great differences between venues, and i think some take a lot of trouble to try and put into place security, and others perhaps dont take much trouble at all. I do think there are a small number of venues that have potentially slipped between the cracks, under the illusion they simply cannot afford to do anything. Almost 28 million tickets were sold for live music in the uk last year, for the thousands of music venues and festivals around the country. Under health and safety rules, music venues have to have emergency plans in place in the event of a fire. But at the moment, it is not the same for a Terror Threat. Since 2004, free counterterror advice from the police has been available to venues and businesses under project griffin. The attack on the bataclan brought a renewed focus on it and training videos like this one. Enclosed spaces such as theatres, concert arenas or nightclubs, also make attractive targets. So one year on, we wanted to see how uk music venues had reacted to the bataclan attacks. We went to two to find out. The medium sized troxy in east london and one of the busiest venues in the world, the 02 arena. More recently, obviously there is a spotlight on security. Were no different. Were enhancing our measures. Were trying to refine our processes. We always change and adapt our security, we dont keep it the same. Behind the scenes, our security operation is in full swing. So things are being monitored. Youll see a lot of our staff around. Weve got plain clothes staff as well and we also have a Police Presence on site. We obviously got in contact with the police after it happened. The night of the bataclan in paris, we had a boxing show with 1500 people here, and then we had a russian concert the next night. So, there was this sort of nervousness that was taking place at the time. However, we did get in contact with the police afterwards and had a conversation in terms of, is there anything additional we should be doing . They suggested that we did look at some other measures, we also then put all of the Management Team through operation griffin, and we actually had the local Counterterrorism Team come down to induct us, basically, and that has been fed down to the Front Line Team and security here as well. We, as a decent sized venue, still have quite a small team. Smaller venues have even smaller teams, and theyre probably thinking more about how theyre going to run tonights show and clear up from last nights show, and booking staff for next week. And whilst im sure that, you know, terrorism is on the tick list, whereabouts it fits as a priority sometimes might slip down. Also, what happens generally with events, is they all get bunched together, and theres a bit of a lull period. Then you look back in terms of your processes, whereas when youre doing back to back for 30 days in a row, it can be quite difficult to prioritise other elements. Whilst both the troxy and the 02 arena have upgraded their security, there is concern within the private Security Industry that not everyone is taking advantage of initiatives like project griffin. I think everyone has upped their game in the uk. The police have been incredibly proactive in putting in free training and advice to venues, venues themselves have upped their game by putting additional procedures in place, by putting additional training in place for their staff, and generally raising the level of awareness within their own environment. I think there is a misconception from some of the smaller venue operators that anything to do with counterterrorism is horrifically expensive and they simply do not have the budget for it. In fact, the opposite is true. Theres an incredible amount of absolutely free help and advice from police. There are standard operational procedures they could implement at their venues to make them safer. I do think there are a small number of venues that have potentially slipped between the cracks, under the illusion that they simply cannot afford to do anything. Baroness ruth hennig, a former head of the regulator of private security firms, wants to change the law, to force venues to prioritise counterterror training. Often, at larger venues i think, but not always only large venues, who for example, do have airport style security, who do have metal detectors, who do have very well trained security personnel, and they top of this training regularly. So there are some people out there who are taking security very seriously. But i think at the other end, there are a lot of venues, there is a tail of venues, who arent taking it seriously we know this from the police who dont cooperate, who dont take up the offers that are made to them, and where i think there are some concerns. The issue is, how do you get to that tail of security venues who are perhaps not doing as much as they should do about security . And how do you get to them . What is the solution . All clubs and bars, and similar venues, are licensed under the 2003 licensing act. If you were to make the legislation more specific in terms of counterterrorism, then these venues would have to show that they were actually taking security seriously, or they wouldnt get a licence. In the past hour, a fifth victim of the manchester bomb attack has been named, she is Kelly Brewsterfrom sheffield, and many more are likely to be identified over the next few hours. The death of 15 year old schoolgirl Olivia Campbell was announced by her family after they spent tuesday desperately searching for her, and appealing to the public for her, and appealing to the public for help. She was from bury. Her mum charlotte wrote on facebook, rip my darling, precious, gorgeous girl, taken far too soon, ghosting with the angels and keep smiling. Mummy loves you so much. Tributes have been paid to eight year old Saffie Roussos, described by her headteacher in lancashire as simply a beautiful little girl in every aspect of the word. Friends of Georgina Callander has paid tribute to their beautiful friend. She was a 19 year old student in lille and, where a dedicated support team is supporting students. And John Atkinson from bury was 28 years of age. His friends have set up a fundraising page to support his family, and have described him as one ina family, and have described him as one in a million, and loved by so many. Of the six d4 people treated at hospital after the attack, 20 remain in Critical Care across manchester 64. We will talk more about security at venues with reg walker. Head of the iridium consultancy, a ticket security firm. In terms of how security will change at theatres, football is they do, what will happen . Since the incident, there has been a review of everyones security procedures at all venues across the uk, both large and small. I think there have already been lessened learned will stop what the manchester incident does highlight is that venues need to think more about security in depth. Its not right that we should simply secure venues up to the doors, and not beyond that point. Thats one of the major changes that we thats one of the major changes that we will see at some venues coming into effect within the coming days. Right, so from a venue, all the way out to public transport, bus stops and train stations, that kind of thing . Processes have been in place for over a decade, there is criminality on the exterior of events, and security goes right up to transport hubs. That is something all venues should consider at this time. 0k, thank you. The taxi driver offering free rides, the homeless man who went to help victims, people giving up rooms in their house for strangers to stay in, the Hotels Offering shelter, the queues of people donating blood, the rabbi who we spoke to yesterday offering free tea and coffee, medics volunteering to come into work the people of manchester showed the size of their heart and generosity yesterday, something which former Manchester United legend eric cantona paid tribute to. To the victims, kids, teenagers, adults, to the families, to their friends, to all, all of you, all of us. I friends, to all, all of you, all of us. Ithink friends, to all, all of you, all of us. I think to the city of manchester, and mancunians, who i love deeply. I think to this country, england, the england, who i love deeply, i stand with you. My heart is with you. Ive will feel close to you. Yesterday, the current Manchester United players observed a minute of silence for those that were killed on monday night. Other sports stars have paid tribute and offered m essa g es of have paid tribute and offered messages of support to the city. This morning, a fifth victim of the manchester bomb attack has been named, Kelly Brewster from sheffield. We have also heard about the death of 15 year old schoolgirl Olivia Campbell, her death announced by herfamily Olivia Campbell, her death announced by her family after they had spent all of monday night through into tuesday, desperately searching for her, and appealing to the public for help on facebook her mother wrote, rip, my dialling, precious, gorgeous girl, taken too soon. Sing with the angels. Mummy loves you so much. Tributes have also been paid to eight year old Saffie Roussos, described by her headteacher in lancashire as simply a beautiful little girl in every aspect of the word. Friends of Georgina Callander have paid tribute to their beautiful friend. She was a 19 year old student at Runshaw College where a dedicated support team is supporting other students. John atkinson from bury was 28. His friends have set up a fundraising page to support this family and have described him as one in a million and loved by so many. Of the 64 people being treated at hospital after the attack, 20 remain in critical ca re across manchester. You can see more people arriving here to leave flowers and messages of sympathy. We will talk to our correspondence outside magister, what is the latest . As we have heard in the last few minutes, three men have been arrested in connection with this investigation in the South Manchester area, that was after police were issued with warrants. We have learned the other man arrested yesterday in connection with this investigation, a 23 year old man that was arrested in South Manchester, he is the brother of the attacker, salman abedi. It is a very fast moving investigation, as we are aware, of course, leading to the Terror Threat being raised, and troops being potentially deployed to the streets. Greater Manchester Police here have said that will support them in their efforts as they continue with this investigation. Yesterday, salman abedi was identified. Today, amber rudd said he was known to Intelligence Services Up To A Point. It will be crucial to understand what that means. We understand he has recently returned from libya. His british passport will have been checked then. We believe american Intelligence Services may know something about him, too. Crucial now to the investigation, was the acting alone . Amber rudd said earlier that he was likely to not have been. But police want to know where the bomb was made, if others we re where the bomb was made, if others were involved, and if they were, who they are will stop thank you very much. June kelly has confirmed that one of the men arrested in the last 24 hours is a brother of the Suicide Bomber. I can also tell you that a pr manager, martyn hett, he has been named, he died at the Manchester Arena with his friend stuart aspinall. His family were searching for him via social media. Thank you for your company today. Stay with bbc news throughout the day for more reaction from manchester. Many of us have sunshine across the united kingdom, it will feel warm as well. Temperatures up to 20 in the south east of england. Many of us enjoy the sunshine, such as this in cambridgeshire, not as sunny everywhere, look at the scene here. Misty and murky conditions. That will continue across west and south wales across the coast of england as well. Elsewhere, sunshine with cloud developing in the afternoon. Cloudy in the north west of scotland. The temperature up to 19, 20 6 degrees. Through this evening and tonight, not a great meal of change. It will stay warm and humid into thursday morning, a sultry night. Temperatures no lower than 14 or 17. But thursday is looking sunnier than today. There might be cloud developing here and there. With the sunshine, temperatures building up on thursday. Highs of 2425 in western scotland, down to 26 in the south east. This is bbc news. On bbc news at the clock. The Home Secretary amber rudd says salman abedi was known to the Security Services, and he was likely not to have acted alone. People are reasonably wondering whether his did this on his own and im making sure police and Emergency Services doing that investigation have the support they need to find out who might have been working him. 3 more people have been arrested this morning the French Foreign minister says abedi travelled to syria he might also have been in libya. If the uk Terror Threat level has been raised to critical meaning another attack could be imminent and trips could be deployed if necessary