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Our top story today the bill giving the government the power to trigger the formal process of leaving the European Union, has cleared its final hurdle in parliament, and will now become law. Meanwhile, Nicola Sturgeon has said she wants to hold a second referendum on Scottish Independence, before the process of brexit is complete. Norman smith is at westminster. Will this call for a second Independence Referendum in scotland mess up theresa mays timetable when it comes to the brexit negotiations . It is certainly a headache and for that reason the overwhelming view is theresa may were absolutely not want to consider a Scottish Independence referendum while she is having to grapple with brexit. She does not wa nt to grapple with brexit. She does not want to be fighting on two france at the same time, it would be politically and extraordinarily difficult feat to pull off. The expectation is any final decision on Scottish Independence and a referendum may be put off until safely after the brexit negotiations are completed and the uk has left the eu. As for brexit itself, theresa may received a significant boost last night by the fact that parliament passed really without much opposition her bill triggering the start of the process. I counted only nine tory mps actually rebelling last night. The House Of Lords pretty much through in the towel straightaway, so where we are, despite all the threats of endless amendments and getting bogged down in the House Of Lords, theresa may has emerged with her bill not amended and to her timetable. Frankly she conceded remarkably little beyond the verbal assurance there will be a vote in two years time. On the Independence Referendum theresa may will have to give permission for that to happen in scotland, otherwise it will really annoy people. Well, the bottom line is theresa may has control of the process. In other words, she is the one who will decide if and when a Scottish Independence referendum ta kes Scottish Independence referendum takes place. The clear signals we are getting at westminster is the government want to play this long, they want to take the steam out of Nicola Sturgeons campaign and they wa nt to Nicola Sturgeons campaign and they want to see the momentum for Scottish Independence slow up. Yes, absolutely not having any referendum before brexit, but even after brexit the government may seek to push it down the line. There have been some suggestions that may be the government could say, lets see if the snp can win another mandate for an Independence Referendum in the Scottish Parliamentary elections in 2021. The thinking is all the time they wanted take some of the head of stea m they wanted take some of the head of steam out of Nicola Sturgeons campaign and slow down the rush and demand for a second referendum. We will talk to a group of voters right across the uk in the next hour or so and your views are very welcome. Joanna is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the days news. A former Prison Employee, who was convicted of Smuggling Phones for inmates, has claimed he was never searched at work. The man, who worked at stocken jail in rutland, made the claim in a documentary about Prison Corruption for bbc radio four. The Ministry Ofjustice said the vast majority of prison staff are hard working and honest. And well have more on that story at 10. 45. One crew member has been found after an irish coast guard helicopter with four on board went missing off the west of ireland. Those on board lost contact at about 1am on this morning. A search is under way about six miles to the west of black sod in county mayo. The aircraft was providing cover for another Coastguard Helicopter on a mission when contact was lost. Turkey has severed all high level contacts with the dutch government in an escalation of an ongoing row between the two countries. Turkey has also told the dutch ambassador to ankara that he cant return to the country. It comes after turkish ministers were banned from speaking at dutch rallies, organised in rotterdam to gain support for president erdogan in a referendum next month. Children become less active at an earlier age than previously thought, according to new research. It was widely believed that physical exercise started to decline with teenagers. But a study, carried out over eight years in the north east of england, showed that Activity Levels begin to drop among seven year olds, as jane dreaper reports. Children are supposed to be active for an hour every day, but most youngsters dont get enough exercise, and this Study Suggests bad habits start at an earlier age. More than 400 children from gateshead wore an Activity Monitor for a week at a time. Their Exercise Levels were measured at the ages of seven, nine, 12 and 15. Physical activity dropped off from the age of seven onwards, in boys and girls. The orthodox view is that this adolescent decline is not only something which happens at adolescence, so it coincides with puberty or with transition to high school, but also it is something that particularly affects girls. And our study shows that that is clearly not the case. I think what that means in terms of Public Health programmes is programmes and policies and practices all have to focus much earlier, probably around about the time children go to school. Too much time spent looking at screens and sitting down is storing up Health Problems for the future, according to Public Health england. Its campaigning to try and change the fact that one in five children leaves Primary School obese. Jane draper, bbc news. Smart phones and Fitness Trackers are being targeted by criminals to hold people to ransom over personal data, according to security experts. Thejoint report from the National Crime agency and the new National Cyber Security Centre says digital crime is becoming more aggressive, with a growing risk to business. A new After School Vlogging Club says its been blown away by demand for its classes after it opened last month. It says its sessions for the under 11 is has been very popular. But the academy near exeter says its not all about creating the next youtube star, but encouraging creativity, with an emphasis on safety. And well be finding out more about those classes at around ten to ten. In 201a in 2014 changes to the law strengthened protection against unfair treatment, but a report by a number of charities claims the reforms have only had minimal impact. The government intends to publish a review of how it is working, but aggressive or action is not acceptable. Working, but aggressive or action is not acceptable. The result of a ballot on whether to admit women as members of the worlds Oldest Golf Club will be announced later this morning. Its the second vote on the issue at muirfield in east lothian. Motions require two thirds of its eligible voters to back the move. Only 64 backed the move at the last vote. A State Of Emergency has been declared in new york as the city faces a major snow storm. Blizzard conditions are expected across the north east united states, with forecasters predicting over half a metre of snow in some areas. The Weather Conditions have caused the first meeting between President Trump and the german chancellor Angela Merkel to be postponed. The mayor of new york has called on people to stay indoors. Stay off the streets for your own good, for your own safety, but to help the Sanitation Department keep the streets clear. If you must go out, do so for as limited a time period as possible. If you need to travel, use mass transit if at all possible, but the best thing to do is stay in if you can stay in. There are also some incredible sites. This is on the shores of lake on taree. After a weekend of freezing wind and high waves this is what one has looked like. It is a summer what one has looked like. It is a summer has, so it should have thawed out before their next holiday. Imagine owning a summer house. We have got a film for you in the next few minutes which is instructive. It is incredible access to young Police Recruits going through Firearms Training. Our Home Affairs Correspondent has had access over a period of months. You watch that in the next few minutes. Anthony on Facebook Says many believe we have the best police force in the world and they do not need to be armed. Personally i believe we have the right ratio of armed and unarmed officers in this country. Please get in touch with us. Sport now with john and we are talking about womens football because the fa have announced plans to increase participation in the womens game. They have made quite a statement. They have made quite a statement. They have made quite a statement. They have said they have let the womens game down following the way in which it was marginalised in the early pa rt in which it was marginalised in the early part of the last century and they want to try and double the numbers of women and girls playing the game by 2020, so they have announced a strategy aimed at improving coaching and improving pathways for younger players to make it through to the top, as well as trying to improve the facilities and coaching as well. Lets hear from the Chief Executive of the fa. One of the jobs of the fa is to promote foot ball of the jobs of the fa is to promote football in the country, whether small sided or 11 sided. It is such a great spot for everyone and frankly half the population, female, have not had as much attention as they might. That has changed in re ce nt they might. That has changed in recent years, but today is about saying, lets be ambitious, lets doubled the number of girls who are playing and make it a mainstream sport. It is hoped that will see a huge improvement in the number of girls and women playing again. Why has the womens game be so overshadowed by the mens . In the early pa rt overshadowed by the mens . In the early part of the last century, certainly during the first world war, the womens game was popular. They sold out grounds and there was a huge amount of interest. But they fa made the decision in 1921 to ban the playing of womens games at all the playing of womens games at all the grounds for 20 years which Com Pletely Stu Nted the grounds for 20 years which completely stunted the game. That changed in the 19605 with the womens fa and the womens fa cup and that boosted the numbers of women playing once again. Then we saw the it was the Fastest Growing 5port saw the it was the Fastest Growing sport in 2005 and we saw the emergence of the womens 5uper league which was launched in 2011. It is hoped now with this implementation of the new plan it would see that addressed and the game continuing to grow once again. What with the fa be expecting to come out of this . They would like to 5ee come out of this . They would like to see the womens team win the world cup by 2023. That is a possibility. Their manager says they could win a major tournament earlier than that and they are targeting the european championships this year. They also wa nt to championships this year. They also want to host a major tournament. That would see an interest within the game and boost participation. The womens team are already exceeding the mens team. They finished third in the world cup in 2015. The results are certainly there and it is expected they will wina there and it is expected they will win a world cup or a major tournament. It has been interesting tournament. It has been interesting to know that gareth southgate, the manager of the england Mens National team has been working alongside the manager of the womens team. It is felt the progress in the womens game is exceeding the mens and this is recognition for that. This morning. As the National Debate continues over whether Police Officers should be more routinely armed, weve had exclusive access to a Firearms Training centre in cheshire, where officers are trained to handle gun5. Its an intensive three month course with many officers not making the grade. By the end of the year, out of a total of 130,000 Police Officers in england and wales, around 7,500 are Firearms Officers, a Record Number aimed at protecting the public from terrorism. Over the next 15 minutes well show you the reality of what its like to undergo training, how officers are taught to make split second life or death decision5, and later in the programme well hear from those who worry we already have too many armed officers. The report contains realistic Training Exercises Featuring Hostage Scenarios, and you will hear repeated sound of gun 5hots. If you think you may find it upsetting, you may want to look away for the next 15 minutes. We wanted to bring you this report to try and give an insight into the kind of Training Officers undergo. The uk will soon have more armed police than ever before, but will they be up to the job . Over three months, weve witnessed Recruit5 Being pushed to the limit. Unacceptable, mate. Armed police, put your hands on the steering wheel. Tested to see if they were capable of carrying a lethal weapon, mentally and physically ready to walk into danger. Have the5e recruit5 got what it takes. To graduate from the Firearms Training school . I am the Exercise Conducting Officer for this Training Event and will be in charge of training site safety. Armed police. Drop the gun, drop the gun now all students, observers and instructors must obey my instructions irrespective of rank or role. To do so would compromise safety. On hearing a long whistle blast or the word of command, stop, stop, stop all students will stop what theyre doing immediately and await further instructions. In case of an incident resulting in injury all activities will cease immediately and all weapons will be made safe. All students will wear appropriate ppe commensurate with the training. Arv kit, ear and eye protection, forced issue boots and helmets. All loading and unloading of weapons will take place in the loading room. Weapon safety rules must be complied with. There are no officer down drills for todays training, so any officer down will be treated as a genuine injury. Is anyone suffering from the effects of alcohol, taken any medication or have any injury or problem that may impair your ability . No. Do you have any questions . Excellent. Walked towards me. Walk towards me. Stop. Its week five of training at cheshire constabularys firearms school. Recruits have learned how to handle a gun, now they need to learn when and where to use it. One, two, three, four room loe. All they have to do is approach each room in this abandoned school and prove they can see the imaginary bad guys without getting shot. Its just a straightforward search, has anybody got any questions before we start . Its a lot harder than it sounds. Go right and then split. Each individual officer has a role and they actually have a role to perform when they are at the door. So what we are trying to get them to do is memorise the roles. The roles are so fluent, so they can form up on one door, deal with that specific threat area, ok, but when they come out and they form up at the next threat, they will be in a completely different position. Remember, plate the plate now. Your room. Not clear right. Clear left. As the day progresses, the instructors place Cardboard Cutout Suspects around the school. Its all about testing reactions. Armed police. Drop the gun, drop the gun now. And how to apprehend anyone left standing. Is there anyone else in the room . No. Right, stand up, hands on your head. Walk towards me. Support less lethal. Stop no need for you to be pointing your gun here now is there, this is now is there, this is clear. They repeat the exercises, but its hard to remember everything. The recruits are under intense pressure and making mistakes. That goes to safe before it goes down, ok . It doesnt go down and then to say. Martin, one of the trainees makes a serious error in safe gun handling. You know yourselves when that Fire Selector should go to safe and when it should go to fire. And it shouldnt be, martin, obviously down there. You went to walk, took a couple of paces and then it went to safe. Ok, not acceptable, mate. All right . Listen carefully. Clattering sound the bullet Magazine Clatters out of that officers gun as she enters the room. Kellys magazine fell out in the previous room. I heard something hit the ground. Her magazine and then basically weve sort of said, check battery. Shes replaced her magazine then shes come out and gone into this room. And the target shes basically been faced with is a gun pointing straight at her. Shes gone to squeeze the trigger. And in that circumstances, because of the mistake back there where the magazine got dropped, she could have ended up dead . Yes, basically yes. Its easily the hardest thing ive ever had to do, mentally and physically. But, i cant fault it, im really enjoying it. Its just a lot to take in and a lot to remember, sojust exhausting, really. Ijust wanted to challenge myself, wanted to do something new. Eight, four second exposures and when the target faces, you will fire two body right. I cant imagine doing Anything Else. I couldnt go away from policing now. Advance. Gunfire it is about putting your life on the line, thats what i want to do and i get a massive sense of achievement from doing it as well. Unload. Sometimes i go home from here of any evening and you see whats going on in the news and you think, in a few months time, ifi pass this course, that could be me going out to thatjob. First on the scene, having to discharge a weapon. My mum and dad were a bit apprehensive at first, but trying to explain to them, obviously the training we get, the weapons that we are carrying, actually i am going to be more protected than i am now as a regular officer out on the streets. Ok, slight angle, purely because of the angles of the shield. Happy days. My friends, i think they all love the fact im doing firearms. They call me lara croft and all sorts, but everyone is really supportive. Armed police, put your hands on the steering wheel. Put your hands on the steering wheel. Armed police. Armed police, armed police. Show me your hands. 15 started the course. We are two months in and 12 trainees are left. Put the drink down, show me your hands. How do you know my name . Now theyve got to show they can apprehend armed suspects on the move. Turned the engine of using one of your hands. This scenario is typical of a great deal of armed police work. Emotionally or mentally distressed suspects, who are a danger to themselves and the public. How the trainees choose to respond is crucial. Please put the gun onto the floor. They need to know when to use words rather than bullets. Look at me, look at me. Put the gun onto the floor and lets talk. No, mate, listen. Put the gun on the floor and well treat you with the respect you deserve, but put it on the floor please. Its an antique, it is my dads gun. I dont want to put it on the floor. In that case, put it on the bonnet of my car and then step away from it. Make sure it doesnt slide off. Ok, now step away from it. What do you want me to do . Walked towards me, walked towards me. Stop there. Stop there, sean, put your hands on your head for me. Put your hands on your head and interlock your fingers. Stay there, stay there. Ok, walk back towards me. Sean, walk back towards me, please. Stop. Ok, dont hurt me, will you . No, we wont hurt you, dont worry. Lean against the car. Can you get on your knees at all . No. Ok, stay where you are, try and keep your hands on the top of your head. Keep my gun safe, yeah . Will keep your gun safe, dont worry. Its a textbook containment. Threat neutralised. Nobody hurt. Now its time to reset the session and up the ante. Green lights are on. Armed police. Armed police, put your hands on the steering wheel. Put the gun down onto the floor. The this time the suspect is far more volatile. If i put gun down, will you shoot me . The officers have A Split Second to make a tough call. Place the weapon on the floor, mate. Armed police. Subject down, subject down. Ellie, the officer in the car pulled the trigger. This of course is just a simulation and the instructors are concerned some of the team, including ellie on thinking fast enough. Ellie and matt, very slow on the call of the shotgun. I was looking at the shotgun, it was out there. You said, put the weapon down. Matt, you were stood looking at it, you must have been able to seeit . 0k. Throughout the exercises, all of the trainees are under enormous pressure. Theyve got to show steve that the tactics are becoming second nature. Its like a check list, isnt it . We look at the vehicle, dominate the vehicle, dominate the occupants of the vehicle. And then we look at controlling the vehicle, driver, look at me, hands, keys, engine off. Put your hands on your head. Driver take the keys out of the vehicle. And at the end of a gruelling week, ellie and one other officer fail to make the grade. Put your hands on the window where i can see them. They might get another chance. Now, only ten remain. You can be called to deal with anything at any time, the only difference between a fire officer and a normal fire officer is the training and the kit youve got. And from a personal point of view, i enjoyed dealing with the most difficult situations. Watch and react. I tried two years ago and i was unsuccessful, so ive tried to develop since then and ive given it another go now. I think youve got to have a very cool, level head. Thats absolutely crucial. But also youve got to be able to think clearly and also think really quickly and if you cant do that then you are going to struggle. In terms of getting through the course, new goal to be able to pick up things on a daily basis. Its the final week and now the hardest challenge. Any cop whos armed, must also have the skills to save a life. The recruits are at an Emergency Services Training Centre in merseyside. They have been training on a simulated casualty that breathes, moans. And dies. We can get the patient to cough. Dave alcock is in charge. Coughing this piece of equipment allows us to simulate injuries on patients to a realistic point of view. So they are actually connected up to computers now. When you watch this type of equipment being used on your students, youll see how it actually draws them into the environment. They are a fantastic piece of kit. Guys, can we get the snips out straightaway to get this mask off, please. Mate, can you tell me anything . Ok, weve got the breathing. While his head is off the floor, can you get me that strap and take over his head. After three long months, the trainees now need to put it all together. Armed police, come and open the front door. Top window. Can you go to the front door . Hostages, an armed man, its not going to end well. Gunshot the Gunman Hiding in the house, shoots the first hostage. Hes being played by dave, the instructor. They not only have to think tactical, theyve got to think medical as well. We are asking you to make the decision, to eliminate a threat with a ballistic force. And then at the end of that, we are asking you to preserve life. Opened the door, show us your hands . The average person doesnt have the ability to kill, and then be accountable in a court of law for their actions. Thats quite difficult that. Dave, stop where you are. Just place the weapon on the floor. Place the weapon on the floor, dave. Gunshot the second hostage escapes and despite having shot the suspect, the team must now try to save his life as well has his victim. You ok . Have you got Pain Anywhere Else . And theres one final surprise waiting inside. Last room, opened the door left. Split. Ok, got one subject. Support. Got movements, high movements, d13. Starting cpr, can someone carry on with the survey . End ex. End ex, the call to finish the exercise. I was looked after right throughout. I felt very comfortable, i could hear you shouting commands to each other, so as a patient i can hear you and i think, you know what, im in good, safe hands here with this team. They looked after me all the way to out. So well done, good pat on the back. Its over. 12 long weeks. The remaining ten recruits now have a nervous wait to find out if theyve passed. I think its reasonable that officers should be armed because of the threat that posed against them now. It doesnt scare me that more officers, i think it is a good thing. They are going in the right direction. Gunshots in the worst Case Scenario you could end up in a situation where you are on trial. Yes you could, thats why it all comes down to your decision making, thats why its so crucial. And i think youve got to have confidence in your own ability to do that. If you dont, then you shouldnt be here. Up to a third of those who apply fail the training school. This time, the final ten graduate, eight men and two women. Today, they are all qualified to carry guns and may soon be on the street near you. And after 10 well hear from people who think Firearms Officers arent the answer to combating terrorism. Keen to hear your thoughts as always. Jan says, i believe our peas need to be armed, but i would not like to see them armed all the time. Lesley saidi see them armed all the time. Lesley said i strongly believe the police should be routinely armed, we have to move with the times, the uk is violent place. This text from somebody who is anonymous, guns do not cause problems, it is the people who carry them who are important and the police are good about vetting their own, even better than the army. People think carrying a gun is fun, it is not. The top brass will not back you and the risk is high if you get it wrong. The officers who do it need a medal and support. They do it need a medal and support. They do it need a medal and support. They do it because we need it. This is a tweet from jamie. I am reassured that if i get taken hostage, the magazine will fall out of the gun. All that is needed now is the naked gun theme. More discussion to come on that after ten. More discussion to come on that after ten. Drugs are fuelling violence in prisons across the country. Well be hearing how corruption among prison staff is a contributing factor. A school is blown away by demand for its new After School Vlogging Club. Heresjoanna in the bbc newsroom with a summary of todays news. Theresa may seems on course to reject Nicola Sturgeons request to hold a second referendum on Scottish Independence before the process of brexit is complete. Scotlands First Minister announced she would seek permission for the vote to be held between autumn next year and the spring of 2019. The power to trigger brexit cleared its final hurdle in parliament and will become law. The House Of Lords voted in favour of the legislation. A former Prison Employee, who was convicted of Smuggling Phones for inmates, has claimed he was never searched at work. The man, who worked at stocken jail in rutland, made the claim in a documentary about Prison Corruption for bbc radio four. The Ministry Ofjustice said the vast majority of prison staff are hard working and honest. One crew member has been found after an irish coast guard helicopter with four on board went missing off the west of ireland. Those on board lost contact at about 1am on this morning. A search is under way about six miles to the west of black sod in county mayo. The aircraft was providing cover for another Coastguard Helicopter on a mission when contact was lost. Charities say they are continuing to see widespread problems with the behaviour of bailiffs towards Vulnerable People in difficulty despite a crackdown. In 2014 changes to the law strengthened protection against unfair treatment, but there are claims the reforms have only had minimal impact. The government says aggressive Enforcement Action is not acceptable. A State Of Emergency has been declared in new york as the city faces a major snowstorm. Blizzard conditions are expected across the north east with forecasters expecting half a metre of snow in some areas. The Weather Conditions have caused the first meeting between President Donald Trump and Angela Merkel to be postponed. There are some incredible sights as well, though, such as this house in Upstate New York which has been completely encased in ice. It is on the shores of lake ontario and after a week of freezing winds and eyes this is what it looks like. It is used as a summer house, so it will thaw out before then news just m, will thaw out before then news just in, the European Unions top court has ruled that employers may ban staff from wearing visible religious symbols at work. It was a joint judgment in the cases of two women in france and belgium who were sacked for refusing to remove their headscarves. An internal company rule prohibiting the wearing of any religious sign was not discriminatory. This isjust in religious sign was not discriminatory. This is just in as well. It is to do with the Bank Of England Deputy Governor, Charlotte Hogg. The Treasury Select Committee have just said that her professional competence falls short of the standard required to fulfil her role as Bank Of England Deputy Governor. We will bring you more on that and the reasons behind that in the next half an hour. Chelsea knocked out Manchester United to reach the semifinals of the fa cup. There was a sending off for Parreira For A Second Yellow Ca Rd for parreira for a second yellow card and then there was a great goal to win it. A little bit of afters as well between the two managers. Jose mourinho received plenty of criticism from the fans on the touchline. The managers had to be separated. The double Olympic Gold Medallistjoin separated. The Double Olympic Gold medallist join arousal as announced her retirement from cycling. She won five world titles and nobody will forget the gold medals she won in london, 2012 and in rio in the summer. London, 2012 and in rio in the summer. Women london, 2012 and in rio in the summer. Women are london, 2012 and in rio in the summer. Women are to be admitted to Muirfield Golf Club, we will get the result of a second ballot and it is likely to be a yes vote which means the club could host the open championship. Birmingham and liverpool have expressed an interest in staging the Commonwealth Games in 2022. They were supposed to be held in durban, but Financial Difficulties that means the Games Federation is looking for a new host city. It could be their loss, but our game. Well theresa may Reject Com Pletely our game. Well theresa may reject completely nicola stu rgeons our game. Well theresa may reject completely Nicola Sturgeons request to hold a second referendum on Scottish Independence before the process of brexit is complete . The Prime Minister says it would be divisive and shes accused scotlands First Minister of playing political games. It comes as the Bill Giving The Westminster government the power to trigger brexit has cleared its final hurdle in parliament and will now become law, meaning the infamous article 50 could be triggered in the coming days and weeks. World, the time has come to. Push the button. World, my finger is on the button. Push the button. The british people have spoken and the answer is, were out. The uk is about to take its next big step towards brexit. This will happen when Prime Minister theresa may triggers article 50, which means she will start the formal process of the uk separating or divorcing from the eu. Negotiations with the eu will begin shortly after. Nope, nada, nothing will change today, tomorrow next week or next month. The uk will remain a member of the eu for up to two years and possibly longer. Eu laws and rules, including the Freedom Of Movement will still apply. Very long and very complex negotiations will take place between the uk and the eu. Think of it like an ongoing divorce case where the two sides will discuss rights for brits living abroad, cross Border Security and how much the uk owes the eu. They will all be discussed. The uk is currently in the european Single Market, a system designed to help businesses by removing barriers to trade. Theresa may however, wants to exit this system. She says being part of it would mean the uk could not limit eu immigration. Instead, she wants to enter whats known as a Customs Union with the eu, a different kind of trade agreement. But will the other side agree . Bell ringing. Theres a two year limit for negotiations to be completed, although this can be extended, but only if all other eu Member States agree to it. If no agreement is reached in time, the uk will automatically leave the eu. According to lord kerr, the man who wrote article 50, yes it could. But as weve heard before. Brexit means brexit. One thing we do know, its all going to take a very long time until the divorce officially happens. We are going to talk about all those issues in a moment. We have breaking news about the ukip owner aaron banks. He said he had been suspended from ukip. He tweets, i understand why my membership has been suspended. Interesting times. That is possibly an understatement. More reaction to come on that no doubt. We are going to take a snapshot of use from right around the uk. Four people supporting brexit are beverly stein, a ukip voter. Jack lewy, a politics student who initially wanted to remain but who is now optimistic. Alpesh patel, a businessman. And Euan Blockley who is pro leave and anti Scottish Independence. Four people who are worried about leaving the uk are asma butt, a recent graduate, seyi awikodo, who works in education, Joanna Zawadkza who is originally from poland and is worried about herfuture, and stefanie muir, who voted remain and will vote for Scottish Independence. Also with us is lord nigel lawson, a former Conservative Chancellor can theresa may pull both these negotiations of successfully . can theresa may pull both these negotiations of successfully . I hope everything will work out well and it probably will, but one thing at a time. Theresa may is right, lets get brexit has Done And Dusted and then we will face the issue of another Scottish Independence referendum, which, incidentally, in the Opinion Polls show the great majority that the scottish people do not want. I have not introduced you also with us is lord nigel lawson, a former Conservative Chancellor of the exchequer who supports leaving the European Union, and james mcgrory, Co Executive Director of open britain which campaigns against hard brexit. Do you think she is thinking she has to go but the referendum otherwise it will annoy people in scotland . M might well be unwise to say no, but what is certainly crazy would be to get the two things mixed up together. It is one thing at a time. It is only three years, less than three years, since we had the last referendum. Lets get brexit sorted out as well as we can, have it Done And Dusted and then we will address the scottish issue. Stefanie, what do you think of that . Separate exit and then possibly have an Independence Referendum . Time is a privilege and it is a privilege we do not have in scotland. The fact we are not getting invited into the discussions on brexit is is a very democratic problem. Independence is probably a last resort. This is a retaliation to being cut out. I do not think there is enough time to wait. If there was an interest in preserving the union, it would have been done so earlier instead of being pushed to the limit. There is not enough time to wait. Lets say there is another second referendum on independence, how would voters in scotla nd on independence, how would voters in scotland be able to compare brexit deal with an independent future if the deal was not completed . That is the deal was not completed . That is the problem with a lot of things up in the airat the problem with a lot of things up in the air at the moment. We do not have a lot of certainty so we are trying to find our feet in a place that does not have much of a foundation. I am that does not have much of a foundation. Lam not that does not have much of a foundation. I am not sure how that would work out or how the public would work out or how the public would respond, but it is the only way to deal with the fact that scotland is not getting much of a voice at all at the moment. Is that right . Of course it is not right, lets be completely honest here. The devolved administrations have had a voice in the negotiations. Nicola sturgeon has been down to Downing Street to speak to theresa may, said the idea there has not been any conversation is preposterous. But what is the most important thing in scotland right now is the idea that the scottish people, as lord lawson said recently, the fact that there is not an appetite for a second Independence Referendum and the idea we will push scotland is angering more scots. I am bringing you breaking news to do with the Deputy Governor of the Bank Of England. She has just resigned. Her governor of the Bank Of England. She hasjust resigned. Her name is Charlotte Hogg. She has only recently been appointed to this role. She has just recently been appointed to this role. She hasjust resigned recently been appointed to this role. She has just resigned from recently been appointed to this role. She hasjust resigned from her post. She was the Deputy Governor of the Bank Of England. The Treasury Select Committee has said that her professional competence falls short of the standards required to fulfil that role. It comes a few weeks after she apologised to the Treasury Select Committee for not formally disclosing that her brother worked at ba rclays disclosing that her brother worked at barclays and was the Barclays Group Strategy Director would could conflict with her work on a particular committee. She had not declared a family link on a number of occasions since joining the bank in 2013. The Deputy Governor of the Bank Of England has resigned in the last few seconds after being criticised by the Treasury Select Committee for not revealing that her brother worked at barclays which could have been a conflict of interest. The chairman of the committee was my advisor and he and his committee have reached this conclusion and i believe it was the right one. Following recent events, charlotte had offered her resignation. Mark carney said he deeply regrets that she has chosen to resign. You are businessmen, wanted to remain in the eu. What do you think about the next couple of years . I would have preferred certainty but weve never had it whether we were in the eu or not. That is not necessarily the fault. We have to deal with what weve got and be optimistic. There is going to be so much uncertainty. We always have lived in uncertain times. We arejust we always have lived in uncertain times. We are just going to have an optimistic attitude. Jude she stop this . Now because it is the end of the union, if it is not then it will be another three years after that. If you want the end of the union granta if you want the end of the union grant a referendum. Wasnt it foreseen by David Cameron when he offered a referendum on weaving the eu . He acknowledged it would put pressure on the united kingdom. Eu . He acknowledged it would put pressure on the United Kingdomlj think he regrets a couple of referenda that he granted. He did that to grab power. He thought he would win it comfortably. That to grab power. He thought he would win it comfortablylj that to grab power. He thought he would win it comfortably. I think ukip grew from the ground up. It was a consensus across the country. We are voicing opinions and dissatisfaction, we felt we were being sidelined by the eu rules. |j think youre being quite complacent in saying that it is a grassroots movement. They have a Millionaire Donor and they grew out of the fact that they were in opposition to the labour party which was failing in its heartland. It is not so much a grassroots movement, more that it came as a stand against the tory party. Lets not go into the history of ukip but with the future. He says you should not grant a second referendum. Is he right . Wevejust heard from lord lawson that the scottish dont want the referendum. We dont need to give it at all then. Lets play safe and keep the union intact. You are misjudging the entire situation. Scotland is being marginalised, we are constantly being told that if youre living here then Yourfault Being told that if youre living here then your fault will mean nothing in a general election. Once again we had an election where it was a referendum, once again the vote was ignored. Id feel sorry if the scots feel like that but i want to preserve the union. Is the union worth preserving when it has not got Democratic Values instilled in it . When you have a nation that does not get acknowledged, you cannotjust ignore these people because you dont agree with them. You sound like you are enslaved. Ive been there, its not that bad. It will a lwa ys there, its not that bad. It will always be seen as a Puppet Parliament in westminster. We want to preserve the union. The announcement is to preserve the union. The announcement is a to preserve the union. The announcement is a product of the governments chosen course which is to pursue the hardest possible brexit, pull us out of the Single Market and Customs Union. It has gone down very badly in scotland. She has been invited to meetings but had no impact in a country that has voted overwhelmingly to remain. We we re voted overwhelmingly to remain. We were assured that there is no threat and that was palpably untrue. This is nonsense about a hard brexit. Brexit means brexit, as theresa may said. But that means nothing. The fa ct said. But that means nothing. The fact is the scottish people voted to have a referendum in 2014 and very decisively to remain within the union. The union has been hugely successful. This is what the majority of scots put it far things have changed dramatically. They havent that is a stronger reason to remain they thought they would be financing independence with oil revenues. The fact of the matter is the snp only exists to promote the Independence Agenda and they will use any agenda. Oil has been dropping for quite a while. America has started exporting oil, ignoring opec. That forced the price down. Under barack obama, dear i see it. It has been steadily going down a nyway it has been steadily going down anyway so that clearly indicates because they had too much shale gas they had to find another way of maximising the revenue. We have not heard from joanna, a polish citizen. How do you feel . There was something i wanted to mention about the Independence Referendum in 2014 and how people voted. If i remember correctly, at every event before the referendum, eu nationals were told the only way for scotland to stay in the only way for scotland to stay in the European Union would be to vote against independence. A couple of yea rs against independence. A couple of years later, we are where we are. I have to say at least yesterday we have to say at least yesterday we have been guaranteed a choice, as opposed to being told what we are getting. How i feel now, like i am a patient on an Operating Table with no doctor at my side. I am in pain and scott is there holding my hand saying everything is going to be ok. Thank you so much, we could talk much longer. Thank you for coming on the programme. We will bring you an exclusive interview with jack munro who has won a libel battle with Katie Hopkins. More on the breaking story Charlotte Hogg said she had breached the bank rules by not declaring that her. This was seen as a breach of the rules. It was not the cleared as part of her appointment. The Treasury Select Committee overseas appointments to the Monetary Policy Committee Looked again at this evidence and the question was why they had not been transparent in that. They said the m ista kes transparent in that. They said the mistakes were significant but not deliberate. The fact she was going to be controlling that relationship between the banks of england and the banks it controls, they said it made her position untenable, they did not back her promotion to be Deputy Governor and she announced that she was resigning because of the controversy around her role. It was a mistake she admitted to. I think it raises significant questions for the Bank Of England governor. He was somebody talked about as the first possible female governor of the Bank Of England. Mark carney gave her a verbal warning and considered the issue closed but the politicians in the Treasury Select Committee decided that was not enough, that her appointment should be rescinded. They will make a decision to get rid of her, and she has fallen on her sword. Weve got her resignation letter. Im going to read some of it. As i have said, im very sorry for the mistake i have made. It was an honest mistake. Ifully for the mistake i have made. It was an honest mistake. I fully accept it was a mistake made worse by the fact that my involvement in drafting the policy made it incumbent on me to get all my own declaration is absolutely right. In the course of a long hearing i unintentionally misheard as to whether i filed. I would like to apologise for that and make clear my responsibility for those errors. I have not shared confidential information or misused it in anyway. I recognise that being sorry is not enough. We should not merely but exceed the standards we are expecting of others. She offered the governor her resignation last week and today has become clear that she should insist, she says. They may be thought they could tough it out, that she could remain in the bank. She been hugely praised for bringing it more diversely. Being a senior woman bringing it more diversely. Being a senior woman was very bringing it more diversely. Being a senior woman was very important. The point made, if you are the rule maker and break those rules, it becomes untenable. The issue would have been for her, for the first time one of the commercial banks grows and break the rules. She broke the rules but was allowed to stay. Word processors transparent . This breach of the rules seems have lasted for about four years and theyve asked questions about the transparency of the Bank Of England. It was for her to tell the Treasury Select Committee rather than it being part of the banks process. The fact that it lasted so long with no knowledge about that, they wonder about that. The bank has announced that there will be new rules put in place. We will bring you the latest news and sport in a moment. First, the weather. This morning we have a fairly mild start to the day and also a lot of cloud around. Temperatures today and any breaks in the cloud could well hit 19 celsius. At the same time, weve got deals, severe gales in the far north of scotland. Wind. You can see from looking at these pictures, the cold front is heading south, more cloud and patchy rain. After a mild start across scotland and Northern Ireland you will find the temperatures are dropping a touch. Through the cause of this morning we continue with this weather front, of this morning we continue with this weatherfront, producing cloud. Some hill fog and coastalfog this weatherfront, producing cloud. Some hill fog and coastal fog around the coast of wales. The cloud will break and we will see sunshine. Severe gusts coupled with showers. Quite windy day across scotland but for many of us there will be showers. Were looking at conditions across Northern Ireland. But remember, england and wales seeing cloud. We could see up to 19 but in the cloud it is more likely 13, 14. The cheltenham festival, there will be bright weather and sunny skies. The weather front makes it down into the south and pivots. The whole lot will push eastward and patchy rain and called for a total of her contract with a mild but we had to do. We will see the weather front in the west fishing steadily eastward. Taking the cloud and the Market Conditions with it. Rather like today, where you see breaks in the cloa k today, where you see breaks in the cloak the temperatures will get up to 16, cloak the temperatures will get up to16, 17 cloak the temperatures will get up to 16, 17 celsius. When we dont have them we are looking at around 13, 15. Have them we are looking at around 13,15. 0n have them we are looking at around 13, 15. On thursday, this cold front comes our way. The weather will come in from the atlantic. This band of rain will slowly slip southwards and you will find it turning colder. We start off with a dry and bright note. Temperatures will not be too bad in the south. Hello its tuesday, ten o clock, im victoria derbyshire. The Deputy Governor of the Bank Of England resigns. The Deputy Governor of the Bank Of England resigns. Should we be seeing more armed Police Officers on our streets . Well be hearing about Firearms Officers rigorous training. Sometimes i go home from here of an evening and you see what is going on in the news and you just think, in a few months, if i pass this course, that could be me going out to that job, first on scene, having to discharge a weapon. We will hear from critics who think too many officers are already armed. The blogger and Writerjack Monroe talks exclusively this programme, about what it was like to win a libel case against the columnist Katie Hopkins. Good morning its ten oclock. Heresjoanna in the bbc newsroom with a summary of todays news. The Bank Of Englands newly appointed Deputy Governor has resigned after failing to reveal her brother holds a senior role at Ba Rclays Brother holds a senior role at barclays bank. Brother holds a senior role at ba rclays bank. Mp5 brother holds a senior role at barclays bank. Mp5 said Charlotte Hoggs professional competence falls short of the professional competence standard required to fill the role. Theresa may seems on course to reject Nicola Sturgeons request to hold a second referendum on Scottish Independence before the process of brexit is complete. Scotlands First Minister announced yesterday that she would seek permission for the vote to be held between autumn next year and the spring of 2019. It comes as the bill giving the Prime Minister the power to trigger brexit cleared its final hurdle in parliament and will now become law. The House Of Lords voted in favour of the legislation without Reinstating Amendments which were removed by the commons. Ukips biggest financial backer arron banks has announced that his membership of the party has been suspended but there was confusion over his claim a ukip spokesman said that the millionaires membership had lapsed earlier this year. Mr banks, who is a close friend of former leader nigel farage and funded the leave eu campaign in last years brexit referendum, gave £1 million to ukip ahead of the 2015 general election. But he has been sceptical about the leadership of paul nuttall and has recently spoken of founding a new Political Movement to drain the swamp of westminster politics. Norman, tell us what the implications are. More trouble and strife in ukip as if they had not had enough. But now we have aaron banks saying he has been booted out of the party. He says, i understand why my Ukip Membership has been suspended, Interesting Times lie ahead. People say he said that the current leadership could not knock the skin off a rice pudding. They are still mulling it over, say uk, and no decision has been made to boot him out. The new leader paul nuttall would like to talk to him about his attitude towards ukip. Mr banks threatened to stand against douglas carswell, the only ukip mp at the last election, and there is a tussle between the new paul nuttall supporters and the old nigel farage supporters and the old nigel farage supporters as paul nuttall tries to assert his authority over the party and that is what this seems to be about. Charities say they are continuing to see widespread problems with the behaviour of bailiffs towards Vulnerable People in financial difficulty, despite a crackdown. In 2014 changes to the law strengthened protection against unfair treatment, but a report by a number of charities claims the reforms have only had minimal impact. The government intends to publish a review of how the measures are working, but says aggressive Enforcement Action is not acceptable. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news, more at 10. 30. Do get in touch with us throughout the morning. This is an e mail. I was a Police Firearms officer for ten yea rs was a Police Firearms officer for ten years and the cause was the most intense and stressful cause i have ever completed. The public can be reassured the Police Officers receive the best training in the World Without doubt. Training is ongoing on a monthly basis. It is vital the Police Continue to carry firearms for the protection of the public. Police need confidence and they are backed and supported by their fours they are backed and supported by theirfours in the they are backed and supported by their fours in the event an officer discharge of the public. Please need confident they are backed and supported by their fours confident they are backed and supported by theirfours in confident they are backed and supported by their fours in the event an officer discharges their weapon. Double olympic gold Medallistjohn Arousal has announced her retirement from international cycling. She said she had achieved everything she ever wanted, including five world titles and four european titles, a commonwealth gold medal and two olympic gold medals. She will continue in cycling as a coach. Manchester united manager jose maria newell told chelsea fans he was still number one after they heckled him during their fa cup match last night. They called him judas. Chelsea beat Manchester United 1 0. Chelsea beat Manchester United 1 0. Chelsea had to play for almost an hour with ten men after this tackle. He duly departed, but the goal was not a bad goal at all. Following Jose Mourinhos sacking from chelsea, he was given plenty of stick. They can call me what they want. Iam stick. They can call me what they want. I am a professional. Stick. They can call me what they want. Iam a professional. I stick. They can call me what they want. I am a professional. I defend my club. Until the moment they have a manager that wins four Premier League is for them, i am the number one. When that manager wins four Premier League, i become number two, but at the momentjudas is number one. And with women be admitted to Muirfield Golf Club . There is a second ballot today and it is likely to be yes. The first vote narrowly failed to achieve the vote needed. They were told they would no longer be able to host the open championship. That will be overturned if there is a positive vote today and women are admitted. That is all the spot. This morning, as the National Debate continues over whether Police Officers should be more routinely armed weve had exclusive access to a Firearms Training centre in cheshire where officers are trained to handle guns. Its an intensive three month course with many officers not making the grade. At the moment out of a total of 130,000 Police Officers in england and wales around 7500 are Firearms Officers a Record Number aimed at protecting the public from terrorism. We played you our full film earlier in the programme, heres a short extract. It lasts around three minutes and contains realistic Training Exercises Featuring Hostage Scenarios and repeated sound of gun shots. If you think you may find it upsetting, you may want to look away for the next few minutes. These are the new recruits. Will they be up to the job . Each individual officer has a role. They have a role to perform when they are at the door, so we are trying to get them to memorise the roles, and the roles are so fluent, so they can form up at one door and deal with that specific area and when they come out and they have another threat, they will be in a completely different position. Recruits must prove they can handle a gun safely. Drop the gun now they need to learn how to search buildings and confront threats. Kelly ellis is one of the hopefuls from north wales. My mum and dad were a bit apprehensive at first, but trying to explain to them the training we get and the weapons we carry i will be more protected than i am now as a regular officer out on the streets. My friends all love the fact i am doing Firearms Training and they call me lara croft and allsorts everyone is really supportive. Recruits who can search buildings graduate to threats on the move. They must learn when to negotiate with an emotionally distressed suspect and when to turn to their weapon. But the weapon on the floor, mate. Get down. And this is the side of armed policing rarely seen, training to save lives using a computer controlled simulator patient. We have got the briefing. Take that strap over his head. The trainee is no need to put all these skills together in an armed hostage scenario. Dave alcock, one of the tutors, plays the role of the suspect. We are asking you to make the decision to eliminate a threat with a ballistic force. At the end of that we are asking you to preserve life. Up to a third of applicants fail Firearms Training. This time the final ten all pass. They are now qualified to carry guns and they will soon be on a street near you. Dominic casciani is our Home Affairs Correspondent who made that film for us. Tony long is a former metropolitan Police Firearms officer who supports arming more Police Officers. Leroy logan served 30 years in the met police and hes opposed to an expansion of arming the police. There was criticism from our audience. By putting this film out it is sanitising the use of firearms. I understand where people are coming from. There are concerns about how we portray armed policing and we thought long and hard about whether or not to make this film. We felt for some time we wanted to see inafly felt for some time we wanted to see in a Fly On The Wall weight what kind of Training Officers go through if they are at the serious end of armed policing. That means notjust the guys hanging around at manchester or heathrow airport, but the men and women who have to go to critical incidents. What are they trained to do . When we got the access, trained to do . When we got the access , we trained to do . When we got the access, we made clear we wanted to fill whatever we wanted to film and speak to whoever we wanted to speak to. The guys in the Cheshire School which is allied to north wales were happy for us to do it and they let us get on with it and let us film what we wanted. What you see on the camera is what we saw. We try to show it how it was. And the background to this expansion of Firearms Training for officers . This is where the controversy is. Firearms numbers reached a high of 7020 ten and then the numbers began to drop as Police Budgets were cut. A lot of officers started to retire. Now because certainly in the light of paris and the taxpayer, the decision has been to lift the numbers up. In a year we will have 1500 officers and because of the extra number of vehicles the public will see a much work visible policing presence, certainly in the metropolitan cities. Do you back that . I believe we need to have the capacity to deal with any sort of risks to the public. If we are having an increase in the form of terrorism as we have seen in other parts of europe, then we need to have office rs parts of europe, then we need to have officers armed with the commensurate firepower to eliminate that threat to the public. My issue is around on foot Patrol Officers being armed or having more regular arming of officers when they could be kept in vehicles or at least stations, so we do not change the look and feel of policing. We are of the world and why would we want to change that . Is there much push for foot officers to be armed or is it about training more officers in the use of firearms . This has become a bit of a grey area in some forces. There was a controversy at the back end of last year where there was a suggestion armed officers were going on patrol in parts of scotland. The Scottish Constabulary pushed back ha rd Scottish Constabulary pushed back hard and said it was not happening. Officers who were trained to carry firearms were out on the streets in a much more visible way. There are concerns from within the forces themselves. You have got to volunteer to be a Firearms Officer. Your average pc, your average cop, never has to go anywhere near a gun and they want that contact with the public. One of the things chief co nsta bles public. One of the things chief constables say feeding back from their officers it is the lack of guns which means they are able to engage with the public. Let me add that the met Police Federation are always banging on about officers feeling at risk. We are at risk we were at risk from the ira and we did not get armed, but we canvass on a regular basis. Let me bring in a met Police Firearms officer. If someone hires a massive articulated lorry and drive it into a shopping centre, i would extra firearms protect us . The reality is they would not. This is my issue. The attack in berlin happened because the lorry got to a point when it could go no further. In nice the lorry carried on until it was stopped by armed intervention. They were not the type that you reported on. The officers but stopped the attack were regular Patrol Officers. Bobbies on the beat that happened to be policing a firework events. If that was to happen in london or any major city, that lorry would travel further. I point to the lee rigby incident. The armed response vehicles took 15 minutes to get to the sight of that. The reality was the unarmed police force we a re the reality was the unarmed police force we are so proud of had to stand by for 10 12 minutes. They watched the public that we are sworn to protect doing ourjob for us. But those members of the public that an amazing job. Absolutely but it is theirjob to protect the public. Amazing job. Absolutely but it is theirjob to protect the publicm is good that they enjoy the job, says graham on facebook, but if youre confronted by a Firearms Officer do not pick up your purse, mobile phone or Anything Else because they will kill you. They dont need to see a gun, they need to feel threatened. There is a degree of truth in that. Policemen do not need to see a gun. If they have good reason to believe, i made it clear that as a result of the intelligence i strongly believe him to have docked down and picked up a gun. I believe to this day the gun was recovered on the back seat. I made it clear that it was a ludicrous situation. You were charged with murder, it took ten yea rs charged with murder, it took ten years to clear your name. How many people have you killed through your job . Ive shot five people over a 25 year career. Three of those died, sadly. Does that keep you awake at night . Not at all. Thats what you trained to do and if youre not prepared to take on that responsibility, my way ofjustifying it to myself, it is not in human nature to take another human beings life. They were all bad people. The first person i shot had murdered a woman and held that womans child hostage for over 24 hours and was in the process of stabbing this four Year Old Girl when i shot him. These are people who have chosen to go down a certain routes because of angen go down a certain routes because of anger. Going back to the person that text that on that message. If young men go out to commit crime and take a firearm with them theyve got to realise that the police will do their level best to arrest them safely without them being injured and police being injured. If it comes to A Split Second decision they will come a preferred. It is like kids taking out lives speak knives because they think it will make them safer. It will not. It will endanger their lives. That is the message that needs to go out. Thank you for coming on the programme. Thanks for your comments. Keith is a firearms instructor. He says armed police are necessary but 99 of what the deal with are not firearms are so introducing a firearms are so introducing a firearm into a non firearms situation, when you look at the stats from these countries were officers are routinely armed, the majority of officers who shot are shot with their own weapons which are taken from them. Still to come, theresa may might have got brexit through the commons but now the Government Faces a second referendum on Scottish Independence. We will find out what that means as the uk withdraws from the eu. This morning, in an exclusive food interview, the writer and food blogger tells us how the legal action has destroyed their life. Jack munro was offered £24,000 in damages but it is estimated that Katie Hopkinss case could end up costing £300,000. The case centred on a Twitter Exchange in may 2015, in which Katie Hopkins suggested jack monroe approved of Defacing A War Memorial during an anti austerity when monroe, who is from an armed forces family, responded furiously and demanded £5,000 for a migrants charity on threat of a libel action, hopkins deleted the original tweet but followed it up with one describing jack monroe as social anthrax. Jack monroe is here along with mark lewis, jacks lawyer. Katie hopkins said she confused you with a journalist when she sent that first tweet. What was your first reaction . I was absolutely horrified. Im from a family with a strong Armed Forces Background and i was aware of the news leading up to that tweets. The defacement of the war memorial and the public outrage. To be connected with it, i was absolutely horrified. I did not want my brother who was in the Royal Air Force connected either. So you said, i dont believe that, make a donation to charity. Were you surprised when she didnt . Few things happened in between that. I corrected her. Quite strong terms. Secondly i said im asking you to delete this and if i ask you again it will be through a lawyer. Because she did not respond to either of those, i decided to flex a bit of muscle, make her do something that will make her respond. Initially, the £5,000 was flippant, i wanted to prod her and get her to respond. I left slightly more polite requests when she didnt respond. Were you surprised when she didnt take you up surprised when she didnt take you up on that . I was and i wasnt. What abuse did you receive as a result of her tweaks . It was an endless torrent of messages. I knew there we re torrent of messages. I knew there were people who felt strongly about the forces and if they thought i was connected they would hurl a lot of mud at me. There were things i could not respond to on this programme. It is so colourful, abusive. I had lots of people sending the awful messages. Including death threats. Give us an insight without using that language. People sending pictures of nurses. It sounds trite when youre talking about that but when youre talking about that but when youre talking about that but when youre caught in the middle of that storm, your phone is flashing up that storm, your phone is flashing up with people calling you every name under the sun and telling you that you are the worst human being in the world, it permeates every corner of your life. The impact of the abuse as a result of those tweets, what has that been on your personal life . It has been stressful. I wouldnt wish it on anybody. It has been almost two yea rs. Anybody. It has been almost two years. Ive got to delve back down that rabbit hole. I had stress on my personal life. Ive not been in a relationship, because everybody thought i was mad to take her on. It has been stressful maths and on friday the first feeling from walking out, complete shellshock that it was over. Why did you take her on . She said something about me that was not only untrue but not even remotely true about the core of who i am and what i am made of. I have never vandalised anything let alone a war memorial. I was devastated that one person would believe this about me. I felt my reputation was ruined and i had no choice but to respond to it. And thejudge ruled that no choice but to respond to it. And the judge ruled that the tweets caused you real and substantial distress and you are entitled to fear and reasonable compensation but also that your reputation had not necessarily suffer gravely but the publication of the tweaks caused serious harm to your reputation. Some untreated, very satisfying to see the rectory discussed. Trevor says, i Thinkjack Munro is terrific for taking on that nasty piece of work, Katie Hopkins. Well done. Nice. Let me bring in mark lewis. Will the successful conclusion of this case encourage more people to ta ke this case encourage more people to take action for twitter libel . This case encourage more people to take action for Twitter Libel7m has certainly helped coin the phrase of twibel. There are professional trawls, the likes of Katie Hopkins, who will go against people. What she did with jack was set her followers on her. She claims free speech but she is the one who would not enter into an argument or say sorry. She just set lots of people on her. She knew what she was doing. The final costs are yet to be established but Katie Hopkins has to pay your legal bill as well as her own, what do you think of that . She could have very easily avoided the situation. That the steep bill to pay and unimaginable to me. It is the price of not saying sorry. She could have said that at the beginning but she did not. The second was an act of defiance. She was so keen of not seeing it she said it is deserved, what is the difference. Thats why she had to pay more. If she stopped, it would have not cost her a penny. She did not stop. After she lost, she tweeted a picture of her looking like this, dressed up as what appears to be the virgin mary. She says she sees herself as the jesus of the outspoken. What do you think of the outspoken. What do you think of that . She is verging on the ridiculous. I cannot see any of her values being any values i remember from the bible. It takes a certain kind of person to compare themselves toa kind of person to compare themselves to a deity. That is all you need to say about that. What are your thoughts towards her . say about that. What are your thoughts towards her . I feel quite compassionate and sympathetic because nobody needs a £300,000 legal bill and i had no idea when i started this, what lawyers cost, and i think ive emerged the victor and had a lot of public support. I cannot even begin to imagine how she feels at the moment. I bear no ill will towards and ive told my followers not to be unkind or abusive. I hope it means people will bea abusive. I hope it means people will be a bit kinder to each other on the internet. This will undo all that. Claudia says that on twitter, Katie Hopkins should have paid more. Maybe people will learn lessons from this. Graham said, we love you, many of us are victims of a hateful mob. This week says jack is amazing. Katie hopkins is a bully and a trawl. The lesson is if you make a mistake on twitter and Say Something defamatory, make an apology. Very quickly say sorry and moved in from it. Thank you both very much for coming in. Now the latest news headlines. The Bank Of Englands newly appointed Deputy Governor, Charlotte Hogg, has resigned after mp5 criticised her for failing to reveal that her brother holds a senior role at barclays bank. Mp5 said Charlotte Hoggs professional competence fell short of the standards required to fulfil her role. They found that ms hogg failed over a period of nearly four years to comply with the banks code of conduct. Theresa may seems on course to reject Nicola Sturgeons request to hold a second referendum on Scottish Independence before the process of brexit is complete. Scotlands First Minister announced yesterday that she would seek permission for the vote to be held between autumn next year and the spring of 2019. It comes as the bill giving the Prime Minister the power to trigger brexit cleared its final hurdle in parliament and will now become law. The House Of Lords voted in favour of the legislation without Reinstating Amendments which were removed by the commons. Ukips biggest financial backer arron banks has announced that his membership of the party has been suspended, but there was confusion over his claim, as a ukip spokesman said that the millionaires membership had lapsed earlier this year. Mr banks, who is a close friend of former leader nigel farage, and funded the leave eu campaign in last years brexit referendum, gave £1 million to ukip ahead of the 2015 general election. But he has been sceptical about the leadership of paul nuttall and has recently spoken of founding a new Political Movement to drain the swamp of westminster politics. A severely disabled man born from incestuous rape has lost his Court Of Appealfight incestuous rape has lost his Court Of Appeal fight to claim compensation. The 29 year old man whose mother was abused with her own father was born with a Genetic Disorder and has epilepsy, severe learning and developmental difficulties and hearing and sight problems. The Court Of Appeal decision overturned a ruling by the other tribunal last year that the man was eligible for a reward under the criminal injuries compensation scheme. Join me for bbc newsroom live at 11 oclock. Chelsea knocked out Manchester United Tojoin Chelsea knocked out Manchester United to join the semifinals of the fa cup. There was a sending off for her errorfor fa cup. There was a sending off for her error for this fa cup. There was a sending off for her errorfor this second fa cup. There was a sending off for her error for this second yellow card. There was also a great winning goal to win it card. There was also a great winning goalto win it1 o. Card. There was also a great winning goal to win it 1 0. Jose mourinho received plenty of criticism on the touchline with both managers having touchline with both managers having to be separated at times. Double Olympic Gold Medallistjoin arousal announced her retirement from cycling. She won five world titles, one of those pictured here. She won two gold medals in london and in rear. We are expected to hear today whether women will be admitted to Muirfield Golf Club. It is likely to bea Muirfield Golf Club. It is likely to be a yes vote which means muirfield could host the open championship. Liverpool and birmingham have expressed an interest in hosting the Common Wealth games in 2022. They we re Common Wealth games in 2022. They were supposed to be held in durban, but Financial Difficulties means the federation is looking for a new host city. For a new host city. Theresa may looks set to reject Nicola Sturgeons request to hold a second referendum on Scottish Independence before the process of brexit is complete. It comes as the brexit secretary, david davis, confirms article 50 will be triggered by the end of the month to begin the formal process of leaving the European Union. World, the time has come to push that button. World, my finger is on the button. Push the button. The british people have spoken and the answer is we are out. The uk is about to take its next big step towards brexit. This will happen when theresa may triggers article 50, which means she will start the formal process of the uk separating or divorcing from the eu. Negotiations with the eu will begin shortly after. No, nothing will change today, tomorrow, next week or next month. The uk will remain a member of the eu for up to two years, and possibly longer. Eu laws and rules, including the Freedom Of Movement, will still apply. Very long and very complex negotiations will take place between the uk and eu. Think of it like an ongoing divorce case, where the two sides will discuss rights for brits living abroad, cross Border Security and how much the uk owes the eu. They will all be discussed. The uk is currently in the european Single Market, a system designed to help businesses by removing barriers to trade. Theresa may wants to exit this system. She says being part of it would mean the uk could not limit eu immigration. Instead, she wants to enter a Customs Union with the eu, a different kind of trade agreement, but will the other side agree . There is a two year limit for negotiations to be completed. Although this can be extended, but only if all other eu Member States agree to it. If no agreement is reached in time, the uk will automatically leave the eu. According to the man who wrote article 50, yes, it could, but as we have seen before. Brexit means brexit. It will take a very long time until the divorce officially happens. Tasmina ahmed sheikh mp is the Snp Spokesperson For Trade and investment in westminster, and dominic raab whos a conservative mp and was part of the official vote leave campaign. It was David Cameron who set the wheels in motion for the second scotla nd wheels in motion for the second scotland Independence Referendum. He acknowledged a vote for leaving the eu would see pressure for that second referendum. We knew from the snp itself they had made this one of the things they were going to campaign on. What is surprising and telling is the snp and Nicola Sturgeon came out all guns blazing saying they want to have a second referendum before we know the outcome of the brexit negotiations with the eu. They will be quite a few people north of the border who would like to know what that choice is before they have the referendum. That is a good point. You cannot have a real discussion, you cannot have a real discussion, you cannot have that Independence Referendum sensibly until the brexit deal is complete. Dominik did not listen to a word the First Minister said. The time frame she suggested, or to year up time frame she suggested, or to year up to time frame she suggested, or to year i 9 time frame she suggested, or to year up to spring 2019, by that time we should have an idea of the way things are going. Not necessarily. Despite uk ministers giving us assurances. Despite uk ministers giving us assurances. We should have a final deal. What about businesses and eu nationals are waiting for an outcome with this . Wait until the final deal so people can have an informed choice. By that time scotland will be presented with two clear choices. One about what brexit will look like and the other option for scotland. What kind of a country do we want to be . Genuinely giving people in scotland a choice. At the end of the day they have not been given a choice, they did not vote to leave the European Union. The Prime Minister has had ample opportunities to look at Scotland In Europe and has ignored it completely. A meeting was cancelled on a whim. It is about time people of scotland were given some respect and the way we do that is this. We have been left with no option. The government has not budged an inch, they did not look at or accept any of our amendments and they wanted to ride roughshod over scotlands amendments. It is only right the First Minister has done what she could only do in this situation. The Prime Minister has to be careful in the way she responds . Yes, i think so, not least on the brexit negotiations. We are poised to start this two year period you covered in your plate and there are a huge amount of positive as well. We wa nt a huge amount of positive as well. We want to get the best deal for every nation in the uk, on things like this whiskey, financial services, big exports for the people of scotland, and we want to take powers from brussels and there will be opportunity to devolve further powers to scotland. You have to wait until the end of the process so you can see the full deal if you want to have another referendum in scotland. We were told the referendum in scotla nd we were told the referendum in scotland in 2014 was once in a generation by the snp. Things have changed dramatically since then, not least the collapse in the oil price. The uk wide approach that was wanted by the Prime Minister is so wide that we do not even know when article 50 will be trickled triggered. We do know, it is the end of march. You are going all guns blazing. We well know by the end of march that we will start the negotiations. To say Nicola Sturgeon does not know when brexit negotiations will start is false. We have been clear from the start. We presented a Compromise Agreement to the government. Scotland voted to stay in the eu, however we were prepared to reach an agreement within the constitutional framework to stay with in the uk if scotland could stay in the Single Market and the Prime Minister has ignored us completely. How much of a gamble is this for Nicola Sturgeon . completely. How much of a gamble is this for Nicola Sturgeon . I do not think it is a gamble at all. The First Minister has to do what is best for scotland. She is doing what is best for the people of this country and they will have the opportunity to make a decision. Thank you very much. A former Prison Employee who was convicted of Smuggling Phones for inmates has claimed he was never searched at work. He is called james ormond and he worked in rutland and he has been speaking exclusively to our Home Affairs Correspondent. What did he tell you . He said he had got a job at the prison with an agency and was initially recruited to do non prisoner rolls, he was escorting building renovators, so he had no contact with prisoners at the start. Then his role developed and he started having to guard prisoners, to guard the classrooms where they we re to guard the classrooms where they were taking courses, and do some random searches of prisoners. During that time he got talking to an inmate and they started chatting about football and things like that. Eventually the conversation developed and this inmate started to tell him that he wanted him to bring ina tell him that he wanted him to bring in a mobile phone. This is what he told me. I felt vulnerable in the role, especially because at the time i was suffering very heavily with depression. My father had passed away. That is the kind of thing these prisoners can pick up on easily. They have a lot of time to think. He kept asking daily and became aggressive at times. He said, i will have you followed, i will have somebody hurt your answer. He said, i know about your niece and nephew. Those threats really worried him and he claimed he eventually gave in to those threats and he agreed to bring in a mobile telephone for the prisoner. He got £500 for taking the package in. It is possible that package also contained the potent cannabis spice. He never looked inside it, but it is possible it contained drugs. In total he took in four packages for this prisoner. He said it was easy to get the parcels into prison. There was that point am i going to get somebody coming to my house . This gentleman was in prison for armed robbery. I did not know what he was capable of. Taking that flowed into the prison it was a calculated risk that that was not going to be the day that they decided they were going to do a star search. I was playing it nice and cool and being normal walking through the gate. He was eventually caught. The conversations he was having with the prisoner aroused suspicions amongst the colleagues and he confessed in front of the governor and he was sentenced and he spent three months in prison and is now managing to rebuild his life. He led a National Unit tackling corruption and describes it as an inconvenient truth. Also with us, tracey mcmann, who founded a Project Working with women transitioning out ofjailand working with women transitioning out ofjail and says the stories of Contraband Ofjail and says the stories of contra band are rampant. Ofjail and says the stories of contraband are rampant. And mike is a Prison Officer and National Chair for the union for Prison Officers. If you want to join us over here. John, how serious is this issue of corruption in jails . It is john, how serious is this issue of Corruption Injails . It is a john, how serious is this issue of corruption in jails . It is a very serious issue and is getting worse as weve lost staff. Weve lost a lot of experience. What do we need to do about it . Acknowledge there is a problem. There is corruption in the media, in sport, why wouldnt there be corruption in prisons . We need to wake up and smell the copy. We need much more in the way of training and the way of resources. We need to investigate staff. How often a re we need to investigate staff. How often are you pressurised into Smuggling Stuff into jail . M often are you pressurised into Smuggling Stuff into jail . It is true that there are periods where prisoners will try it on. Does it happen to you . Nine out of ten times it isa happen to you . Nine out of ten times it is a joke. It starts off as a joke. Most prison staff are trained to deal with it and i dont accept it is rife within presence. Most Prison Officers turn up because they are honest and have integrity. The last thing they want to do is see corruption and co. Is round. The estimate is five in every prison. The vast majority are professional and full of integrity. There is a small minority, and they have a disproportionate effect. The working assumption is in every prison across england and wales 3 5 staff are corrupt. That is out of a total workforce of 60,000. What are you being told about contraband inside . It is not a conversation that naturally emerges. Women who often come back to east lancashire. These conversations, naturally, in their head, from what we are hearing and for anybody that knows about the prisoners, women make 5 of prison population. It is a scattered and fractured estate. The women coming back through the gates, often serving short sentences, there is a staff problem and a small. What other women telling you . It comes in through the post, to visitors, to cou ntera ct through the post, to visitors, to counteract staff corruption, we are getting it through the mail and from visits, drugs are coming in, they are prescribed, but also heroin replacements, that is what we call currency within the present estate. Those are going round, selling for large amounts. It is easy to transport from one person to another. You dont need formal qualifications. You can. You will not find any sympathy from fellow prison staff. They will try to turn up prison staff. They will try to turn up and do theirjob with integrity. This undermines that. I think tracy touches on some valid points. Prisoners sometimes will distracts from real trafficking routes, they are blaming staff because of two reasons, one because it takes the focus away from their activities and the prison staff but also it negates any sort of charges. The issue must be investigated. No charges are brought against the prisoner. Having been a prison governor at three prisons have you come across people whojoined prisons have you come across people who joined the Prison Service prisons have you come across people whojoined the Prison Service in order to make money this way . Being paid to smuggle stuff into prisons . I carried out an investigation when i was at brixton and somebodyjoined who had been a prisoner two years beforehand. He was an illegal immigrant. Those cases ra. I think what this programme has highlighted is the vulnerability of staff. I would disagree with talk of training. The training is the shortest in the world. We should be in mind that the prison staff is not just people in uniform. The workforce is complex. I dont think any of those get any training at all to help them with the threat is highlighted in the programme. Thank you very much, everybody. Let me ask you very much, everybody. Let me ask you before you go, the latest prison figures. These are compelled by the council of europe and they show that britain imprisons more people than virtually any other country in europe apart from russia or turkey, around 45 in the council of europe. A higher proportion of those injail in england and wales are six offenders, people sentenced for violence crimes and life imprisonment, much greater in the uk than elsewhere. Thank you for coming on the programme. Really appreciate it. Much more on corruption in jails. The investigation will be on radio 4 tonight. The top court has ruled this morning that companies can ban ruled this morning that companies ca n ba n staff ruled this morning that companies can ban staff from wearing religious or political symbols including headscarves. Our paris correspondent can fill us in. This was a case featuring two women, one from france and one from belgium. Tell us more. It very, the kid. Ive been reading the ruling and it is impenetrable but i think ive got my brain round it. Ever 2 mac cases. One was a woman who worked as a receptionist. Backin woman who worked as a receptionist. Back in 2006, she had a religious conversion, started wearing a headscarf and she was fired. The other case was a woman who worked as a consultant other case was a woman who worked as a co nsulta nt a nalyst other case was a woman who worked as a consultant analyst and when a client said they wanted to have this woman without a headscarf, the Company Employer asked her to remove it, she refused and was sacked. In both cases it has gone to the high court of two different countries, and said, we dont understand this directive. Can you give some guidance . It has not ruled in these cases and has given guidance. The guidance is that if there is a pre existing rule in the company, that says you cannot show this display, then it is possible to ask a person to remove her headscarf but not possible on an ad hoc basis to produced this idea and say we are thinking that you are putting the clients off. It all comes down to this idea of whether there is a pre existing policy. If there was, according to their interpretation, it is possible to insist that she ta ke it is possible to insist that she take off the headscarf. Does it apply to the uk . Why not . As long as britain was within the eu this ruling has application. Two things. This is guidance, not the court saying youve got it wrong. You interpret it your way. This is how we see the directive. These cases go back a decade or more. This kind of issue, it would drag on and drag on. By issue, it would drag on and drag on. By the time it came round, britain might have left. Let us go. How do you react to this . I am frustrated and deeply disturbed by the guidance coming out of europe at the moment. We we re coming out of europe at the moment. We were talking about headscarf is. It is not just we were talking about headscarf is. It is notjust about muslim dress, it is about political and philosophical symbols. Which seemed to disproportionately involved cases of muslim women. Looking at the stats, it disproportionately impact muslim women more than men, the guidance it could have on our communities. What could it do . The message it sends out is that diversity is not welcome in europe and if the concern is about National Security i would say. You think if this is a case of women wearing crosses and the company asked them to re m ove crosses and the company asked them to remove it, Strict Company policy, you would feel the same . to remove it, Strict Company policy, you would feel the same . I would. I wa nt you would feel the same . I would. I want to know how it is that these impact ona want to know how it is that these impact on a womans ability to do their job. Impact on a womans ability to do theirjob. The second woman was an it consultant. At no point was there a mention of their incompetency in the ability to do the job. That was what was most frustrating because women should not be discriminated against. The fact that they are women, who belong to particular thing, because of what theyre wearing. I am going to pause you because it is the end of the programme but thank you so much coming on programme. We appreciate it. Thank you for your company today. If you want to see the full film on the firearms then do go to the page. Have a good day. This will break through and feel very mild. Most of the sunshine across scotland and Northern Ireland, sunshine breaking out. It is very severe, plenty of showers, but elsewhere it will be a dry day. As we head into this evening and overnight stays cloudy with spots of light rain or drizzle. The wind will ease down in the north. It will be a chilly night across the north east but mild in the south west. Into wednesday, a bright start and lots of sunshine around. Elsewhere, another fairly cloudy day. Through this afternoon the sunshine will break through. Where you get those sunny spells, another mild day. This is bbc news. Im jane hill at westminster, where the bill to trigger the process of leaving the eu has cleared its final hurdle. The brexit bill will become law today, after being approved by Parliament Last night. Im ben brown in edinburgh, where the Scottish National party warns theresa may not try to block the First Ministers plans for a second Independence Referendum. Im joanna gosling. The other news at 11. The Deputy Governor of the Bank Of England resigns after failing to reveal her brothers role at barclays. New york and newjersey declare states of emergency as a huge winter storm sweeps in