could get in the depression. she wasn't very interested in any of that, frankly. so, this was a really rural upbringing you had, for most of...? rural makes us think of farms. right. we're not talking farms. more remote than that? we're talking wolves. actually, we're more likely to be talking bears, cos you would be more likely to see a bear. did you? oh, yes. and you heard the wolves? yes. what does that do for your creative imagination? well, you just know they're there. it gives you respect, and you don't send very small children out into the woods the woods by themselves, because they're bite—sized. so you had to be on your guard. you had to be aware there was danger...? just respectful. you had to be respectful. did that make you a tough kid? er, tough is relative. so, tough in relation to that kind of thing, yes. um, tough in relation to... well, for instance, what was frightening to me as a small child,