that's perfect. yeah, no, it's really great to see how they are also coming up with creative solutions to get everything out. we sort of picked the locations depending on what people... their abilities. exactly. yeah, exactly. physical abilities. so, for example, the team are on a location where you need to sort of hike into and it gets quite a bit of elevation, the team has a lot of trail runners. i want to see the problem for myself, so esther and her co—founder, sole, take me around the corner from big wave bay to a nearby cove. we find all sorts of garbage here, from fridges to microwaves to air conditioners, you name it. it's filthy. you can see another thing that we just found today. this is a gas canister. exactly. this is for barbecues. anything and everything, you canjust find here. there's so much styrofoam.