Transcripts For BBCNEWS The Papers 20170325

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Fire crews are dealing with the aftermath of an explosion on the wirral that is believed to have been caused by a suspected gas leak. The family of Pc Keith Palmer, the officer murdered in westminster, issue a statement thanking those who helped him in his last moments. The us says its invesfldatintl were carried out in western mosul, killing dozens of civilians. The crew on board the International Space station think they have found life on mars in the Science Fiction horror film life. But life on mars in the Science Fiction horrorfilm life. But is life on mars in the Science Fiction horror film life. But is all hello, and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. With me are ruth lea, economic adviser for Arbuthnot Banking group, and john rentoul, chief Political Columnist at the independent. Just before they begin with their thoughts on the papers, lets give you a Fighting Chance to keep up. Tomorrows front pages, starting with the sunday times, caliming eu migrants living in britain will continue to get Child Benefits after britain leaves the eu. The observer leads with the Coalition Air strikes in mosul, which it says, have killed at least 150 civilians and caused international outrage. The sunday expresss front page features the conservative mp tobias ellwood, and says hes spoken for the first time after trying to save Pc Keith Palmer in wednesdays terror attacks. The mail reports that the Air Ambulance Prince William co pilots had a near miss with a drone last summer. The Sunday Telegraph leads with Douglas Carswells resignation from ukip, reporting that its led to a civil war within the party. The independent also has a picture of Douglas Carswell, but its main Story Features Calls for europe to stick together following the westminster terror attacks. Welcome back to you both. Ruth, the sunday express. Tonight we have seen a statement from the family of keith palmer. They will have been thinking of this man on the front page of the paper, tobias ellwood, the Foreign Office minister. He certainly is a bit of a hero. I thought he behaved excellently. He ran towards the problem and lots of other people we re problem and lots of other people were running away. This picture of pc palmer, he looks so vulnerable, ifi pc palmer, he looks so vulnerable, if i may say so. I think the real message of this story is that the security at the front of parliament will have to be stepped up. You will have to have armed policeman there. At the moment you just have to Police Officers in high visibility jackets, which really isnt good enough. John, Scotland Yard has been giving us more details tonight in terms of what it knows in the investigation. One of the most striking things i have seen in the last hour is something that suggests that the entire duration of the attack, from the moment the first casualties was hit on the bridge to keith palmer being stabbed and then being shot, was one minute and 22 seconds. Yes, 82 seconds. Astonishing. And it was all over. It was all over very quickly. I the of w i railings of w i railings if { 27 i it ilfl i; r iii icirir iii iii iciririit iii v thought it was a the railings and i thought it was a traffic accident. It sounded witty serious so i went to the window to see what was going on. Pretty serious. It was very confusing, you couldnt see what was happening until you heard the crack of gunfire. And that was it, it was all over. U2 will know this very well, but the people watching who are not aware of this, we think of parliament as one building, but it Isa Parliament as one building, but it is a kind of Rabbit Warren of connected buildings and corridors and sellers. You two will know. The police would have been searching for hours afterwards to make sure nobody else slipped in during the confusion. I think so. To this idea of armed police, the idea that you do not have armed police around the parliament is nonsense. There are some armed police. But in 82 seconds, my goodness, he caused some damage. And he could have caused a great deal more. He could have killed 30 people. He injured how many, 30 . And if there had been more than one person, they could have got into the parliamentary estate. He was stopped within 20 yards. But if there had been others behind him, there had been others behind him, the gates were still open, and the Prime Minister herself was there. She was only 100 yards away. Yes, too vulnerable. People have reported seeing her in new palace yard, and then being told to get into a car. M is. Strikin , in the liht of this striking. Ivfths lightgff ~ , this striisins. Irrshs iishssf~~ ~ , you this striisihg. 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He had obviously thought about this quite hard. John, presumably there a isa is a very hard place to provide effective countervailing measures. Absolutely, that is a serious problem. We have had the prevent programme for more than a decade. Fishermen bleat is quite ha rd to decade. Fishermen bleat is quite hard to measure how effective it has been. Presumably it is quite hard. Has it been able to prevent lots of kids from being radicalised, oi lots of kids from being radicalised, or not spotted the ones who were in danger . I think the coloured mahmoud case does raise another question. Khalid masood. To what extent was he really and islamists terrorists, or was he disturbed individual would Management Problems . Lino just was he disturbed individual would Management Probler obviously ist have a sort of lowering between there is a sort of lowering between there is a sort of lowering between the two in many cases. Sort of blurring. Police do not like the term loan wolf, they prefer the term logan act. What he has turned out to bea logan act. What he has turned out to be a lone actor. And therefore less ofa dangerto be a lone actor. And therefore less of a danger to society than he might have been. In an open society you will never stop these things, that is the tragedy. Woosha just clarify the number of casualties. You mentioned the figures, but we think we are down to 111 still in hospital. That is in encouraging sign, the numbers are decreasing all the time. We obviously hope that all of them will be out sooner rather than later. Another story on the front of the observer, this very interesting story about the mosul attack. This is one of those stories that bubbles up is one of those stories that bubbles up occasionally and then drops away, and we lose attention on it. But this has been going on for months now. That is right. We were given the impression a long time ago that mosul was within days of falling to the iraqi army. But they are still there. They have had to halt the bombing because of civilian casualties. This is a bombing attack that happens more than a week ago. Last week. It does suggest that taking mosul is turning out to be a much, much bigger and longer struggle than we thought. But you can see they will go back into it, they will assume they will fight and fight and fight until they actually destroy the isis state. At the moment theyjust destroy the isis state. At the moment they just have destroy the isis state. At the moment Theyjust Have Raqqa as well, in syria, and you can see isis as this caliphate that they talk about, disappearing. My goodness me, the terrorism will continue. Yes, we said pitcher on the front of one of the little girls in a refugee camp, who has been displaced from mosul. Lets go to your paper, john, the independent on sunday, and we have a byline from your good self confidently predicting that Douglas Ca Rswell will confidently predicting that Douglas Carswell will rejoin the Conservative Party. I dont know censsrvative pflty feealfem pictures from this weekend or that pictures from this weekend or if it is from the archive. You think it is the end of ukip is a party . Yes. I think ukip has been a tenant since the referendum, if not before. The fact that britain is leading the since the referendum, if not before. The fact t ms, means eading the , ~ w w since the referendum, if not before. The facttiss, means eadingino , ~ w w to ukip. Is t time me ts gm tt gm who tt ttm Who Is G Back Conservative Party. The only thing that stopped him going straight back across to the Conservative Party is that under his own principles he would have to have a by election. He doesnt want to do that. I suspect he willjoin the conservatives up just make joined the conservatives just make joined the conservatives just before the next election. Just make joined the conservatives just before the next Electionlj Cannot just before the next election. cannot help but think of Winston Churchills phrase, he ratted and then re ratted. Churchills phrase, he ratted and then reratted. Douglas carswell is a tory and always has been a tory. As he said himself, as he was being interviewed this afternoon, he joined ukip because he was so passionate about brexit. At brexit is happening. Ifi passionate about brexit. At brexit is happening. If i was a Ukip Minister i would say, that is all very well, but look at the political scene at the moment. We have a labour party that is deeply divided and according to the polls deeply unpopular. We have the liberal democrats, almost white doubt in the parliament, they have won a by election since, but they are still a shadow of what they were several years ago. We have an opening here, a potential here, for a party to challenge the conservatives. In the stoke by election, ukips big chance, it failed to make any headway. Ukip could have established itself as a Working Class Protest Party to displace labour. But it didnt work. It is all over, im afraid. The sunday times. This is quite a story, on the face of it. Eu migrants keep benefits after brexit. Another Tory Ma Nifesto benefits after brexit. Another Tory Manifesto Pledge at risk, says tim shipman, the papers little editor. What do you make of it . Political editor. It goes back to the negotiations David Cameron was having before the referendum to try to renegotiate the terms. This is about the payment of Child Benefits to eu citizens who are going to be here after brexit. That is a slightly different category of people eke as those are people that the uk has decided, outside of the Freedom Of Movement of the eu. Because they will no longer have a right to be here. Yes, those other people where we decided they may live here. Therefore the question of where their Child Benefit goes to is less important, i would suggest. think that is right. It seems perfectly reasonable that eu migrants who come here should have the same rights. But i like that, another Tory Manifesto Pledge at risk. Stir, stir, stir. Lets be honest. The tory manifesto was in 2015. Since then there has been a referendum and we are leaving the eu. Ithink referendum and we are leaving the eu. I think the ground rules have changed. It is nothing like the next ma nifesto changed. It is nothing like the next manifesto pledge, in my humble opinion. We will take your word on that. We will briefly note that the Sunday Telegraph is reporting that ukip is at war after carswell quits the party. From whatjohn says it sounds like there was civil war before, during and after carswell. Some might say it goes back to the days of alan scared, the leader who was fighting his colleagues. Alan sked. It is quite an achievement, really, that the party has operated despite all these rivalries and conflicts. It has an impressive record of local government victories and European Parliament victories. dont like to pay tribute to nigel farage, but you have to say that as a 1 man band, his personality and his Television Presence was enough to hold the Party Together sufficiently. Boy, do they miss him now. Absolutely. I will pay tribute to nigel farage. I think he has done a greatjob. To nigel farage. I think he has done a great job. Well, as a brexit supporter you would. Is that the first time you have been competitor Mandy Rice Davies . Darling finally, a story that might not be a story at all, ruth . Exactly. Tell us about it anyway. This is Prince Williams Air Ambulance, or the one that he copilots. It does not say that he was actually in it. Despite the fact they have put a photograph on him on they have put a photograph on him on the front. Williams helicopter split second from lethal drone crash. He was probably at home changing nappies. That is almost certainly true. Otherwise this would not be called exclusive. If william himself had been a split second from a lethal drone crash, i think the bbc might have already changed its bulletins by now. I suspect there is slightly less to this story than meets the eye. Does that happen a lot . Do journalists sometimes slightly write stories up