right now, no hope, frankly. these days, it is really very complicated to produce anything from inside the country. it's about safety, and... no, i'm not optimistic at all right now. well, vera, we appreciate you joining us all the same. thank you very much indeed for your time. indeed, thank you to all of our guests, who were vera krichevskaya from tv rain, jamie angus from bbc news, the historian dr ian garner, the author peter pomerantsev, 0lga irisova, who's a russian journalist based in berlin, and julia davis, who's a columnist at the daily beast. i should also mention that vera has directed a documentary about tv rain — it's called tango with putin. it's available now on the bbc iplayer. but that is it for this edition of the media show. thank you very much indeed for watching. we'll see you next week at the usual times.