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were, and i think that's a mistake and we do try and press ofcom harder on that. but it's radio one and radio two that people worry about as being too commercial and, you know, getting into territory that they shouldn't be in? y... to a degree, although i think you have to acknowledge if you're going to allow the bbc to be in the radio business, it's going to have to be in most bits of the radio business and therefore it will be in the popular—music end. but we expect, if they're being funded the way they are, that that they do more than just play the hits — that they have a breadth of music and a breadth of subject matter — which, you know, should be in a contract that they have with the population, if you like, through their ofcom contract, and that needs to be enforced. and the other element — you've said, katie — is the bbc is extraordinarily well—funded compared to the commercial sector. and i think one of our concerns has always been that they appear to be so well—funded that they can then go and do things which are simply not possible for us to compete with —

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