to the extent that he didn't have any sort of supervision, and it was really steve hewlett, the editor, and obviously steve had a lot of other things to do as well. so, a producer wasn't brought in to the process until right at the last moment — literally days before the interview itself, and that was reallyjust to handle the sort of technicalities of the actual production of the interview. they... that wouldn't happen today. things have shifted. david, if i can ask you, and again, this is in a historical context, when you were the editor of the sun in the �*90s, how much did you know about what your journalists were doing on a day—to—day basis and the tactics they were using? well, of course the answer to that is that i can't - possibly know that. i thought i knew quite a lot, -