capture _ industry, thinking it over. carbon capture and — industry, thinking it over. carbon capture and storage is what they are relying _ capture and storage is what they are relying on— capture and storage is what they are relying on very heavily as a technology to keep our carbon dioxide — technology to keep our carbon dioxide emissions down, but it also nreans— dioxide emissions down, but it also means that — dioxide emissions down, but it also means that they are saying in effect we can— means that they are saying in effect we can keep using fossil fuels. they want to— we can keep using fossil fuels. they want to manage to maintain both the fossil fuel— want to manage to maintain both the fossil fuel dependency and also meet the demand for carbon dioxide emission— the demand for carbon dioxide emission reduction by capturing carbon— emission reduction by capturing carbon dioxide from fossil fuel usage — carbon dioxide from fossil fuel usage. this is really a pretty hopeless— usage. this is really a pretty hopeless policy in the sense that first of— hopeless policy in the sense that first of all— hopeless policy in the sense that first of all the north sea geological formations they are relying — geological formations they are relying on for stopping the carbon dioxide, _ relying on for stopping the carbon dioxide, nothing has been proven on that, _ dioxide, nothing has been proven on that, trut— dioxide, nothing has been proven on that, but secondly, let me emphasise the cost _ that, but secondly, let me emphasise the cost of— that, but secondly, let me emphasise the cost of doing that. now that in itself— the cost of doing that. now that in itself may well drive fossil fuels out of _ itself may well drive fossil fuels out of the business of competing with renewable energies and nuclear energy— with renewable energies and nuclear energy for— with renewable energies and nuclear energy for grid energy, but nevertheless this is not the way