filters and the government at the moment to try and stop these transgressions but, the end of the day, this is a subsidy race and china obviously is ahead of the game and the real problem is that a subsidy race is really a trade war and we know what happens when there are trade wars, what happened just before the second world war and we also know that poor countries can't play this game. this is a rich country race, so are you actually exacerbating global inequalities. interesting that you mention this is a developed world issue. where does all of this leave the developing world? those not able to offer subsidies to business? those without subsidies are left out of this game and theyjust have to hope that they can afford to import these goods and they might not be the cheapest and they might not be the most green of what we would like the world to be pursuing. for those countries it is kind of like india and indonesia.