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Action is being taken against the sun newspaper. Legal action against the mirror group over allegations of Phone Hacking. Who did you hack . It would be quicker to say who i didnt hack, wouldnt it . Itd be easier. Celebrities, politicians. I was living in this sort of Super Highway of illicit information. It was exciting. You felt like a spy. As the years have gone by, the story has grown and grown. I dont know to this day how many people have heard my deepest secrets, my desires. That Phone Hacking was not. Practised by the Mail On Sunday or the daily mail. You have just about anybody whos ever appeared in a Tabloid Newspaper saying, give me large wadges of cash, please. I think its actually a legal scandal. Its not the money im after. Its to expose their guilt. Its justice. I started working for the british tabloids, around 1986. Im the guy that tracked down jeffrey epstein� s a girl that was with the prince, that famous photograph. Tracked her down to australia. I was asked to search for a lot of british celebrities who had either lived in the United States or come here to do some work. David beckham, when he moved here, they wanted me to know about all of his neighbours how he was being received in the neighbourhood, that sort of thing. John cleese, of course, was one of them. It was explained to me that someone had been it was explained to me that someone had been getting information. I liked had been getting information. I liked him had been getting information. I liked him enormously, he was very sympathetic, little bit of a rug but i like sympathetic, little bit of a rug but i like people like that. What i was puzzled i like people like that. What i was puzzled was, some of the stuff that he was puzzled was, some of the stuff that he was having was things like Social Security he was having was things like Social Security numbers and National Health numbers Security Numbers and National Health numbers i Security Numbers and National Health numbers. I said, thats hardly fatal to my numbers. I said, thats hardly fatal to my career he said, no, you dont understand, to my career he said, no, you dont understand, once they have that, its very understand, once they have that, its very easy to persuade people that voure its very easy to persuade people that youre allowed to have certain confidential information. It� s that youre allowed to have certain confidential information. Confidential information. Its what i referred to confidential information. Its what i referred to as confidential information. Its what i referred to as the confidential information. Its what i referred to as the keys confidential information. Its what i referred to as the keys to confidential information. Its what i referred to as the keys to the. I referred to as the keys to the kingdom. Whats going to happen is if somebody calls up the Phone Company, the first thing theyre going to ask them, whats your Social Security number . What your date of birth . You know, whats your favourite pets name . If you have information from the database, now they will give you everything. If there was a scandal and the person had any kind of footing in the United States, the tabloidsjust knew that i could find somebody in a few minutes. They were willing to pay, i was making 20,000, 30,000 a month from them. Even though i am probably brilliant on databases and i say that myself, i know what i can do. Im really naive when it comes to trusting human beings. They wouldnt tell me anything about what the story was about. They would simply say, we want to find this person and we want to know everything about them. I didnt know what the results were from what i did. With litigation against mirror group continuing, attention turned to the countrys big top tabloid. The News Of The World and the sun was six stir newspapers based on the same building. Everybody knew Phone Hacking was going on at the News Of The World, it was always denied it was going on at the sun. It has been difficult to find out information. But we say we have got evidence. Sex scandal and soap have made the sun the biggest Selling Newspaper in the English Speaking world. The sun newsroom felt like a war room. It was 90 mph, it was frantic, real commercial pressure, we had to sell better than our rivals. We had to do better than our rivals. We had to do better than our rivals. We were told on days where the mirror had got a great front page that Heads Will Roll and somebody is going to have to be sacked for this because we should have had that, not the mirror. Always, it was about exclusives because it was the exclusives because it was the exclusive stories that sold the paper. Exclusive stories that sold the a er. , exclusive stories that sold the. Aer. ,. , exclusive stories that sold the. Aer. ,. ,. , exclusive stories that sold the aer. ,. ,. , paper. Four years after they were married, paper. Four years after they were married. Sir paper. Four years after they were married, sir paul paper. Four years after they were married, sir Paul Mccartney paper. Four years after they were married, sir Paul Mccartney and l married, sir Paul Mccartney and Heather Mills are splitting up. At} Heather Mills are splitting up. Of course it was never going to be a quite course it was never going to be a quite tife. Course it was never going to be a quite life, marrying a former beetle, quite life, marrying a former beatle, but in a Statement Today the couple beatle, but in a Statement Today the couple said beatle, but in a Statement Today the couple said the level of intrusion into their couple said the level of intrusion into their private lives had been so great, into their private lives had been so great, it into their private lives had been so great, it made a normal relationship almost great, it made a normal relationship almost impossible. Paul great, it made a normal relationship almost impossible. Almost impossible. Paul mccartney was untouchable almost impossible. Paul mccartney was untouchable because almost impossible. Paul mccartney was untouchable because he almost impossible. Paul mccartney was untouchable because he was. Almost impossible. Paul mccartney i was untouchable because he was Paul Mccartney national treasure, and nobody wants to pick up a paper that is slagging him off, simple. Heather mills kind of went through this, quite literally, honeymoon period. But when their relationship hit the rocks and it went wrong, the gloves came off. , ,. ,. , came off. The press had it in for me, they came off. The press had it in for me. They took came off. The press had it in for me, they took the came off. The press had it in for me, they took the side came off. The press had it in for me, they took the side in came off. The press had it in for me, they took the side in my i came off. The press had it in for me, they took the side in my divorce and decided me, they took the side in my divorce and decided they would try and absolutely annihilate me and make me out to absolutely annihilate me and make me out to have absolutely annihilate me and make me out to have a bad character and i was out to have a bad character and i wasjust out to have a bad character and i wasjust vilified and out to have a bad character and i was just vilified and abused. They generally was just vilified and abused. They generally started making up loads of rubbish generally started making up loads of rubbish. But then, elements of truth started rubbish. But then, elements of truth started to rubbish. But then, elements of truth started to come in and i was like, how could started to come in and i was like, how could they have known that . That was a how could they have known that . That was a phone how could they have known that . That was a Phone Conversation we had. We collected was a Phone Conversation we had. We collected hours and hours and hours of this collected hours and hours and hours of this filming, i was like, 0k, of this filming, was like, 0k, they of this filming, i was like, 0k, theyare of this filming, i was like, 0k, they are still hacking, this is stilt they are still hacking, this is still going on. We started writing incessantly again to the press Complaints Commission who said they would Complaints Commission who said they would deal Complaints Commission who said they would deal with it and they still never would deal with it and they still never did would deal with it and they still never did. He is coming round with his camera never did. He is coming round with his camera from then on, i always had two his camera from then on, i always had two phones. At one point, i ended had two phones. At one point, i ended up had two phones. At one point, i ended up with six. In the end, it felt like ended up with six. In the end, it felt like they started to find out all my felt like they started to find out all my numbers and work out where i was 9lii9~ all my numbers and work out where i was going. Its made me afraid, you know, was going. Its made me afraid, you know. Where was going. Its made me afraid, you know, where are they . Are they following know, where are they . Are they following me . Im frightened to talk on the following me . Im frightened to talk on the phone because you knew you were being on the phone because you knew you were being listened to but nobody would were being listened to but nobody would believe you. The were being listened to but nobody would believe you. Would believe you. The most notorious would believe you. The most notorious private would believe you. The most| notorious Private Investigator would believe you. The most i notorious Private Investigator in the Phone Hacking story is a named glenn. He was hired to hack phones and he hacked the phone of milly dowler, the schoolgirl who was murdered and when that emotion 2011, it shocked the country and the News Of The World had to close. He was, for a while, the most hated man in britain. ,. ,. ,. , britain. Today, a rare sighting of glen mulcair. Britain. Today, a rare sighting of glen mulcair. The britain. Today, a rare sighting of glen mulcair. The private glen mulcair. The Private Investigator in the eye of the storm. The man who phone hacked for the News Of The World. I storm. The man who phone hacked for the News Of The World. The News Of The World. I made a statement the News Of The World. I made a Statement Yesterday the News Of The World. I made a Statement Yesterday and the News Of The World. I made a Statement Yesterday and due the News Of The World. I made a Statement Yesterday and due to l the News Of The World. I made a Statement Yesterday and due to legal constraints, unfortunately at this stage constraints, unfortunately at this stage i constraints, unfortunately at this stage i can make no more comment at the moment. Stage i can make no more comment at the moment the moment. With no apparent irony, he asked the the moment. With no apparent irony, he asked the media the moment. With no apparent irony, he asked the media to the moment. With no apparent irony, he asked the media to respect the moment. With no apparent irony, he asked the media to respect the. He asked the media to respect the privacy of his family. We he asked the media to respect the privacy of his family. Privacy of his family. We believe that glenn privacy of his family. We believe that glenn worked privacy of his family. We believe that glenn worked for privacy of his family. We believe that glenn worked for other that glenn worked for other newspapers on fleet street including the sun. I newspapers on fleet street including the sun. ,. ,. , ~ ,� the sun. I listen to Heather Mills voice most the sun. I listen to Heather Mills voice most of the sun. I listen to Heather Mills voice most of the the sun. I listen to Heather Mills voice most of the sun. The sun. I listen to Heather Mills voice most of the sun. I the sun. I listen to Heather Mills voice most of the sun. I hacked l the sun. I listen to Heather Mills l voice most of the sun. I hacked not only the voice most of the sun. I hacked not only the target, but friends and families only the target, but friends and families and associates so they could families and associates so they could get families and associates so they could get access to material from voice could get access to material from Voice Messages left by heather. Glenns Voice Messages left by heather. Glenns skill was he was able to blag the Phone Company and he did that by posing as an employee of the Phone Company in one department and calling somebody else in another department pretending to be a colleague and getting access to the internal database so youve got somebody� s telephone accounts, you can find out their itemised phone bills, the numbers they were calling, dates and times. More importantly, he could change the pin number in order to access peoples voicemails. The pin number protected the voice most, he reset it to the default, he could hack into their phone. Default, he could hack into their hone. ~. , default, he could hack into their hone,. , default, he could hack into their hone. ~. ,. ,. , phone. Will come to our services, helen speaking. Phone. Will come to our services, helen speaking. The phone. Will come to our services, helen speaking. The voice phone. Will come to our services, helen speaking. The voice mail. Phone. Will come to our services, i helen speaking. The voice mail reset is on the following helen speaking. The voice mail reset is on the following number. Helen speaking. The voice mail reset is on the following number. That helen speaking. The voice mail reset is on the following number. That has| is on the following number. That has been reset and is on the following number. That has been reset and it is on the following number. That has been reset and it is is on the following number. That has been reset and it is working is on the following number. That has been reset and it is working for been reset and it is working for you 0nce once youre on the inside of any Phone Companies or banks in the institution, youre on the dance floor, you control all the information and its got results very, very fast. Information and its got results very. Very fast information and its got results very, very fast. Glen mulcair was not the very, very fast. Glen mulcair was rrot the only very, very fast. Glen mulcair was not the only private very, very fast. Glen mulcair was not the only Private Investigatorl not the only Private Investigator used not the only Private Investigator used by not the only Private Investigator used by fleet street. There were a number used by fleet street. There were a number of used by fleet street. There were a number of other Private Investigators who were hired by Other Investigators who were hired by other newspapers, for example milly dowler. Other newspapers, for example milly dowler, we all know that glenn hacked dowler, we all know that glenn hacked milly dowlers phone and was bunished hacked milly dowlers phone and was punished for it and the News Of The World punished for it and the News Of The World closed. But there is evidence that he world closed. But there is evidence that he was not the only Private Investigator or the only newspaper that targeted the dowler family. | that targeted the dowler family. I was accused of deleting milly dowler� s messages, that was incorrect. I wasnt the only investigator, i wasnt the only journalist at that time investigating milly dowler. Do you feel sorry that investigating milly dowler. Do you feel sorry that you investigating milly dowler. Do you feel sorry that you hacked investigating milly dowler. Do you feel sorry that you hacked the feel sorry that you hacked the phones of murders victims . Absolutely. My brother was killed, ive lost both parents. Edi absolutely. My brother was killed, ive lost both parents. Ive lost both parents. Of course. Absolutely ive lost both parents. Of course. Absolutely heartfelt. Ive lost both parents. Of course. Absolutely heartfelt. It ive lost both parents. Of course. Absolutely heartfelt. It wasnt. Absolutely heartfelt. It wasnt crossing a line . He absolutely heartfelt. It wasnt crossing a line . Crossing a line . He was ust a murdered i crossing a line . He was Ust A Murdered Victim crossing a line . He was Ust A Murdered Victim at h crossing a line . He was Ust A Murdered Victim at the h crossing a line . He wasjUst A Murdered Victim at the time, | crossing a line . He wasjust a i murdered victim at the time, he crossing a line . He wasjUst A Murdered Victim at the time, he said this needs to be hacked or this information needs to be laid back to them. There wasnt time to have a conversation of saying, this is regarding that and can you do that. It was actually, can you turn the number around, it was actually, can you turn the numberaround, can it was actually, can you turn the number around, can you get the information back and nothing else matters. It was totally, totally carnage. Matters. It was totally, totally carnaue. � y. , matters. It was totally, totally carnaue. , carnage. Are you comfortable with the fact that carnage. Are you comfortable with the fact that some carnage. Are you comfortable with the fact that some of carnage. Are you comfortable with the fact that some of your the fact that some of your Whistle Blowers are criminals and lies . Whistleblowers are criminals and lies . ,. ,. ,. , whistleblowers are criminals and lies . ,. ,. ,. , lies . You do have to be careful for obvious reasons, lies . You do have to be careful for obvious reasons, particularly lies . You do have to be careful for obvious reasons, particularly with | obvious reasons, particularly with private obvious reasons, particularly with Private Investigators, these were people Private Investigators, these were people who were paid to blag, to life a people who were paid to blag, to Life A Living by the newspapers. As far as Life A Living by the newspapers. As far as possible, youve always got to make far as possible, youve always got to make sure that what they say and what theyre telling you is backed up what theyre telling you is backed up by what theyre telling you is backed up by evidence, by documents. Heather mills, she brought a claim against the News Of The World and the sun in 2017. Part of Heather Mills claim was an e Mail Exchange between greg miscue, glen mulcair main handler and he went on to be convicted of Phone Hacking. That e Mail Exchanges between greg and the sun. This is what the e mail says, dated the 29th of may 2006. Monitored over the weekend, and there is nothing new. She may not be using it at the moment. Well keep on, but not hopeful. Have a couple of other irons in the fire. What we say there is the crucial part of that e mail is the sentence, she may not be using it at the moment. We say that is a direct reference to her phone. She is not using it at the moment, in other words, i cant access her messages and find out where she is. There is then a reply from the sun. 0k, where she is. There is then a reply from the sun. Ok, thanks, greg. Keep looking, mate. From the sun. Ok, thanks, greg. Keep looking. Mate from the sun. Ok, thanks, greg. Keep looking, mate. News Group Newspapers den that looking, mate. News Group Newspapers deny that the looking, mate. News Group Newspapers deny that the email looking, mate. News Group Newspapers deny that the email telling looking, mate. News Group Newspapers deny that the email telling the deny that the e mail telling the reporter to keep looking was an instruction to access Heather Mills voice mail. They say the e mails were about monitoring an address connected with Heather Mills in order to ask for comments or get a picture. In 2019, news Group Newspapers paid Heather Mills a significant sum of money to settle their claim before it came to trial. They admitted to hacking for the News Of The World, but made no such admissions for the sun. Mergers News Of The World, but made no such admissions for the sun. Admissions for the sun. News Group Newspapers. Admissions for the sun. News Group Newspapers, through admissions for the sun. News Group Newspapers, through the admissions for the sun. News group | newspapers, through the destruction of my public reputation, have also indirectly destroyed thousands and thousands of other innocent lives through the profoundly negative impact that this has had on my landmine and animaland impact that this has had on my landmine and animal and Children Charities and our ability to raise funds. �. ,. ,. , , funds. But for the claimants, this was a landmark funds. But for the claimants, this was a Landmark Case funds. But for the claimants, this was a Landmark Case that funds. But for the claimants, this was a Landmark Case that paved l funds. But for the claimants, this i was a Landmark Case that paved the way for further action. The e mail gave the claimants lawyers the confidence that ammunition for future cases might rest with internal newspaper documents. When someone sues a newspaper. Someone sues a newspaper. Insight have to give someone sues a newspaper. Insight have to give documents someone sues a newspaper. Insight have to give documents to someone sues a newspaper. Insight have to give documents to each have to give documents to each other. In the case of the sun, they will have to give any invoices, Payments Records or e mails with a claimants name on it and its a case of piecing that together to build a picture of what happened at the sun and the unlawful Information Gathering we believe happened there. They are especially important because there are no whistle blowing journalists like dan evans who have come forward to say hacking was going on at the sun and i saw it happen and so on so new and that kind of thing. All we have is the paper trail. Kind of thing. All we have is the papertrail. Br; kind of thing. All we have is the paper trail paper trail. By analysing the documents paper trail. By analysing the documents handed paper trail. By analysing the documents handed over paper trail. By analysing the documents handed over by. Paper trail. By analysing the i documents handed over by the paper trail. By analysing the documents handed over by the sun, the team were able to gain what they considered crucial clues into stories that happened years earlier. Members of the liberal Democrat Party to decide who will be their next leader. For party to decide who will be their next leader. Party to decide who will be their next leader. ,. ,. , next leader. For Liberal Democrat Leadershi Next leader. For Liberal Democrat leadership candidates next leader. For Liberal Democrat leadership candidates have next leader. For Liberal Democrat leadership candidates have had i next leader. For Liberal Democrat i leadership candidates have had their first chance to try to persuade Activates First chance to try to persuade activates that they are the right man to activates that they are the right man to lead the party. The activates that they are the right man to lead the party. Activates that they are the right man to lead the party. The goal is to lead his man to lead the party. The goal is to lead his party man to lead the party. The goal is to lead his party into man to lead the party. The goal is to lead his party into power. Man to lead the party. The goal is to lead his party into power. We l to lead his party into power. We cannot to lead his party into power. Cannot afford to spend the next century on the sidelines of british politics. Century on the sidelines of british olitics. ,. , century on the sidelines of british olitics. ,. ,. , politics. Towards the end of 2005, the leader of politics. Towards the end of 2005, the leader of the politics. Towards the end of 2005, the leader of the liberal politics. Towards the end of 2005, | the leader of the Liberal Democrats drinking the leader of the Liberal Democrats drinking was becoming a problem. He stepped drinking was becoming a problem. He stepped down and i suddenly find myself stepped down and i suddenly find myself as being one of the favourites to become leader of the Lib Dents Favourites to become leader of the lib dems. My heart wasnt in it. It was a lib dems. My heart wasnt in it. It was a stupid lib dems. My heart wasnt in it. It was a stupid idea, i was captured by the ego was a stupid idea, i was captured by the ego of was a stupid idea, i was captured by the ego of it was a stupid idea, i was captured by the ego of it all and people saying you should do it. I am announcing this afternoon that im formally withdrawing for the candidate to be a leader withdrawing for the candidate to be a leader of the liberal Democrat Party a leader of the liberal Democrat Party i a leader of the liberal Democrat Party. I withdrew from the Leadership Contest and thought, whew, Leadership Contest and thought, whew, that is a big relief im going whew, that is a big relief im going to whew, that is a big relief im going to spend the weekend with my family. Going to spend the weekend with my family, have some fun, go to the pictures. Family, have some fun, go to the pictures. Do family, have some fun, go to the pictures, do some gardening, spend time with pictures, do some gardening, spend time with the children the next morning. Time with the children the next morning. I time with the children the next morning, i woke up and opened the curtains morning, i woke up and opened the curtains and morning, i woke up and opened the curtains and saw a couple of black cars in curtains and saw a couple of black cars in the curtains and saw a couple of black cars in the village hall opposite our house and i thought, thats odd. So, our house and i thought, thats odd. So. I our house and i thought, thats odd. So. Iwent our house and i thought, thats odd. So, i went out to speak to the journalists so, i went out to speak to the journalists and it was then that they journalists and it was then that they dropped the bombshell that they had found out that in 2004, i had seen had found out that in 2004, i had seen a had found out that in 2004, i had seen a male escort as they wanted to know seen a male escort as they wanted to know what seen a male escort as they wanted to know what my comments were. I think i can honestly say there is hardly a day goes i can honestly say there is hardly a day goes by where i dont still think day goes by where i dont still think about that moment. After 2006 and the scandal which is the way after 2006 and the scandal which is the way i after 2006 and the scandal which is the way i try and describe it now, i moved the way i try and describe it now, i moved on the way i try and describe it now, i moved on and tried to get my life back on moved on and tried to get my life back on track. And then, out of the blue, back on track. And then, out of the blue. The back on track. And then, out of the blue, the met police call me. They called blue, the met police call me. They called me blue, the met police call me. They called me in for a meeting, blue, the met police call me. They called me in fora meeting, your phone called me in fora meeting, your phone was called me in fora meeting, your phone was hacked and they revealed all of the phone was hacked and they revealed all of the details of what had happened when i was running for leader~ happened when i was running for leader~ i happened when i was running for leader. I was in tears, i wasjust completely leader. I was in tears, i wasjust completely blown away by what they showed completely blown away by what they showed me. There were tapes. Tapes of voice showed me. There were tapes. Tapes of Voice Messages that id never, ever of Voice Messages that id never, ever got of Voice Messages that id never, ever got id of Voice Messages that id never, ever got. Id never, ever heard. These ever got. Id never, ever heard. These were ever got. Id never, ever heard. These were messages from people such as the these were messages from people such as the v these were messages from people such as the itv correspondence, tom bradby. As the itv correspondence, tom bradby, they were messages that if i had got bradby, they were messages that if i had got them, i might have done things had got them, i might have done things differently. The reason i hadnt things differently. The reason i hadnt got them was because the news of the hadnt got them was because the News Of The World had got them. Mark hou~hton of the world had got them. Mark houghton had of the world had got them. Mark houghton had been of the world had got them. I houghton had been exposed on the sunday in the News Of The World for a sex scandal. 0aten we believe that the sun said, can we have a piece of this . Lets have a look at some of the other leadership contenders. Some of the other leadership contenders. ,. ,. ,. , contenders. Simon hughes was one of them. It contenders. Simon hughes was one of them it looks contenders. Simon hughes was one of them. It looks like contenders. Simon hughes was one of them. It looks like you contenders. Simon hughes was one of them. It looks like you have contenders. Simon hughes was one of them. It looks like you have been them. It looks like you have been Lying In The Sun for a month you been . Costa Lying In The Sun for a month you been . Costa del Lying In The Sun for a month you been . Costa del sol. Lying in the sun for a month you been . Costa del sol. We Lying In The Sun for a month you been . Costa del sol. We are Lying In The Sun for a month you been . Costa del sol. We are in l Lying In The Sun for a month you l been . Costa del sol. We are in the middle of the been . Costa del sol. We are in the middle of the campaign, been . Costa del sol. We are in the middle of the campaign, the been . Costa del sol. We are in the | middle of the campaign, the polling appeared middle of the campaign, the polling appeared to suggest i was in the lead appeared to suggest i was in the lead we appeared to suggest i was in the lead. We were all in good shape and. Ood lead. We were all in good shape and good nick~ lead. We were all in good shape and aood nick. A ~ lead. We were all in good shape and aood nick. N, ~. ,. , lead. We were all in good shape and aood nick. ~. , good nick. Mark 0aten had been exosed good nick. Mark 0aten had been exposed on good nick. Mark 0aten had been exposed on the good nick. Mark 0aten had been exposed on the sunday. Good nick. Mark 0aten had been exposed on the sunday. On good nick. Mark 0aten had been exposed on the sunday. On the | exposed on the sunday. 0n the tuesday, an e mail is sent from the sun news editor. And that e mail, remarkably, contained a summary of an itemised phone bill from simon hughes home phone which cannot be obtained legally. There was a payment to a known Private Investigator. Payment to a known Private Investigator. That was used to obtain phone investigator. That was used to obtain phone bill investigator. That was used to obtain phone bill data, investigator. That was used to l obtain phone bill data, itemised phone obtain phone bill data, itemised phone bills and phone numbers. This itemised phone bills and phone numbers. Try 3 itemised phone bill showed calls to a 93v itemised phone bill showed calls to a Gay Chat Line from simon shoes home phone. A Gay Chat Line from simon shoes home phone a Gay Chat Line from simon shoes home hone. ,. , , home phone. There was a persistent call from the home phone. There was a persistent call from the sun home phone. There was a persistent call from the sun saying home phone. There was a persistent call from the sun saying they home phone. There was a persistent| call from the sun saying they wanted to talk call from the sun saying they wanted to talk to call from the sun saying they wanted to talk to me personally about a personal to talk to me personally about a personal matter and not willing to talk to personal matter and not willing to talk to any personal matter and not willing to talk to any of my team at the time i didnt talk to any of my team at the time i didnt have talk to any of my team at the time i didnt have any idea what the issue would didnt have any idea what the issue would be didnt have any idea what the issue would be. The meeting with the sun journalist would be. The meeting with the sun journalist happened on the parliamentary state and the assertion he put to me was that they had evidence that id been making phone had evidence that id been making phone calls to a gay or man to man chatline~ phone calls to a gay or man to man chatline. They wanted to know what response chatline. They wanted to know what response id make to that. The word Blackmail Response id make to that. The word blackmail wasnt used in the conversation but fairly quickly i said. Conversation but fairly quickly i said. Yes, conversation but fairly quickly i said, yes, Iaccept Conversation but fairly quickly i said, yes, i accept that has happened. Ive had relationships with women and men, i dont think its a with women and men, idont think its a matter with women and men, i dont think its a matter of Public Interest. It seemed its a matter of Public Interest. It seemed to its a matter of Public Interest. It seemed to me it was better to be honest seemed to me it was better to be honest and seemed to me it was better to be honest and upfront about that and hope honest and upfront about that and hope that, honest and upfront about that and hope that, in a way, that would be the end hope that, in a way, that would be the end of hope that, in a way, that would be the end of it. I was angry and embarrassed. I had never gone public about embarrassed. I had never gone public about my embarrassed. I had never gone public about my sexuality, im a member of the christian about my sexuality, im a member of the Christian Church and its an issue the Christian Church and its an issue in the Christian Church and its an issue in the the Christian Church and its an issue in the church. I had Family Members issue in the church. I had Family Members for whom this would have been difficult. My mum who was living been difficult. My mum who was living on been difficult. My mum who was living on her own, widowed, it was difficult living on her own, widowed, it was difficult. Effectively detonated my campaign. Is difficult. Effectively detonated my camaiun. , difficult. Effectively detonated my camaiun. , ,. Y. , difficult. Effectively detonated my camiain, ,. Y. ,. , campaign. Is lib dems policy now to liuht until campaign. Is lib dems policy now to light until you campaign. Is lib dems policy now to light until you find campaign. Is lib dems policy now to light until you find out . Campaign. Is lib dems policy now to light until you find out . Mr campaign. Is lib dems policy now to light until you find out . Mr hughes. Light until you find out . Mr hughes disclosure to light until you find out . Mr hughes disclosure to the light until you find out . Mr hughes disclosure to the sun light until you find out . Mr hughes disclosure to the sun comes light until you find out . Mr hughes disclosure to the Sun Comesjust i light until you find out . Mr hughes disclosure to the Sun Comesjust a | disclosure to the sun comes just a week after an interview with the independent newspaper where he denied past homosexual exposed. Today, he apologised for misleading people. I today, he apologised for misleading eole. , people. I went from being the favourite to people. I went from being the favourite to being people. I went from being the favourite to being the people. I went from being the | favourite to being the outsider people. I went from being the i favourite to being the outsider in the campaign within 24 hours. Something is clearly wrong here where something is clearly wrong here where people can obtain private information of this sort which has no Public Information of this sort which has no Public Interest in terms of how the person no Public Interest in terms of how the person does theirjob, whatjob they do. The person does theirjob, whatjob they do. It the person does theirjob, whatjob they do, it is not illegal. This clearly they do, it is not illegal. This clearly is they do, it is not illegal. This clearly is wrong. In 2019, simon hughes launched the first claim directly against the sun. , first claim directly against the sun,. ,. , first claim directly against the sun. ,. ,. ,. , sun. The sun abstained illegally the itemised home sun. The sun abstained illegally the itemised home phone sun. 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Asa as a former director of hacked off, arent you just a campaigner and arent you just a campaigner and arent using the legal system now to have a go at the tabloid . Lanthem arent using the legal system now to have a go at the tabloid . Have a go at the tabloid . When i run the hacked off have a go at the tabloid . When i run the hacked off campaign, have a go at the tabloid . When i run the hacked off campaign, i the hacked off campaign, i encountered victims of press abuse, Whistle Blowers who wanted to say what had really gone on. That is a combination of knowledge and experience that is clearly helpful to claimants. Thejob experience that is clearly helpful to claimants. The job we do as paralegals now is to assist the claimants. So, yeah, im a frustrated campaigner because the job i am currently doing is focused on the legal side of things, but this appears to be the only way for the truth to come out. Hello. For many parts of the uk it has turned into quite a soggy saturday. Not for everyone, though. This was the scene earlier on for a Weather Watcher in the north east of scotland. Compare that with the scene in staffordshire, with the rain just hammering down, thanks to this area of cloud, this complex Weather System moving its way across the uk. Northern parts of scotland, sticking out into something drier and brighter, albeit with a chance of some showers. A bit of rain in southern scotland, heavy rain at times for Northern Ireland and across england and wales. There will be some drier gaps in between the heavy downpours, quite windy in the south west corner, temperatures suppressed, 16 to 19 degrees at best. Through this evening and tonight, we will continue to see outbreaks of rain coming and going across parts of england, wales, Northern Ireland, perhaps into southern scotland. It will be misty and murky in places. Temperature wise, maybe down to six or 7 degrees in some parts of northern scotland. More generally, ten to 16 degrees, and certainly mild where you keep the cloud and rain. Into tomorrow, this area of low pressure continues to track slowly eastwards and this frontal system here will make for some quite heavy and persistent rain, especially across parts of northern england, into north wales as well. There could be enough rain to give rise to some localised flooding, particularly after what has been such a soggy day today. It doesnt bode massively well for the cricket at old trafford. It may turn a little drier and brighter later on, but even if that happens, there is the chance for some pretty hefty showers. To the North And South of that rain band, we will see some spells of sunshine, but also some scattered showers, some heavy, possibly thundery, and the windiest weather on sunday likely to be across coastal parts of south east england. A slightly warmer day, temperatures between 16 and 23 degrees. That is still no great shakes for this time of year. As we move out of sunday and into monday, this frontal system should slip southwards. The area of low pressure moves away. That leaves us in quite a cool, northerly flow of air for the start of the new week. Temperatures below par for the time of year, and actually, the week ahead remains unsettled and rather cool. Goodbye for now. Live from london, hello, im anjana gadgil. Lets begin with the womens world cup because england, one of the tournament favourites,