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The five i have picked up is a party thatis the five i have picked up is a party that is keen to get the country moving forward and get the Economy Growing. That assertion after a day of acrimony here at conference yesterday. Im very disappointed that members of our own Parliamentary Party staged a coup, effectively, and undermined the authority of the Prime Minister. I dont think we should be talking about coups, you know, i think that sort of language is just too inflammatory. The next ten days, of course, is a critical period, that goes without saying. So against that backdrop, the most ignominious perhaps for any incoming tory leader, liz truss will try to re establish her authority over the party. It will be a short speech perhaps less than half an hour. Were not expecting Policy Announcements youll probably to hear the word growth a lot. Shell say there needs to be an end to � drift and delay� and justify whenever there is change, there is disru ption welcome again to birmingham on the final day of the conservative Party Conference and the as speech day for Prime Minister liz truss. Can she re establish her authority with this speech . Lets start with you, stephen. This speech . Lets start with you, stehen. ,. , ~. , this speech . Lets start with you, stehen. , stephen. Look, ultimately unless she invents time stephen. Look, ultimately unless she invents time travel stephen. Look, ultimately unless she invents time travel it stephen. Look, ultimately unless she invents time travel it will stephen. Look, ultimately unless she invents time travel it will be stephen. Look, ultimately unless she invents time travel it will be very invents time travel it will be very hard to undo the political damage of the last ten days in a speech alone, but she can use it to make a big argument and to take her party on over some of the things that have caused the problems they are in. Chris. She may want to say, sorry, i try to chris. She may want to say, sorry, i try to do chris. She may want to say, sorry, i try to do too chris. She may want to say, sorry, i try to do too much too quickly. I am a toy try to do too much too quickly. I am a toy like try to do too much too quickly. I am a toy like you, i want to cut taxes, i a toy like you, i want to cut taxes, i got a toy like you, i want to cut taxes, i got a a toy like you, i want to cut taxes, igoi a bit a toy like you, i want to cut taxes, i got a bit excited, may be. A month ao i got a bit excited, may be. A month ago boris i got a bit excited, may be. A month Ago Borisjohnson was i got a bit excited, may be. A month ago Boris Johnson was still leader, would ago Boris Johnson was still leader, would he ago Boris Johnson was still leader, would he have done this . Probably not . Would he have done this . Probably not . � ,. , would he have done this . Probably not . � ,. ,. ,. , ~. , would he have done this . Probably not . � ,. ,. ,. , , not . Lets go on together. Would you like to hear not . Lets go on together. Would you like to hear contrition . Not . Lets go on together. Would you like to hear contrition . Yes, not . Lets go on together. Would you like to hear contrition . Yes, and not . Lets go on together. Would you like to hear contrition . Yes, and so i like to hear contrition . Yes, and so would other like to hear contrition . Yes, and so would other tory like to hear contrition . Yes, and so would other tory mps. Like to hear contrition . Yes, and so would other tory mps. For like to hear contrition . Yes, and so would other tory mps. For you like to hear contrition . Yes, and so i would other tory mps. For you would that be the right would other tory mps. For you would that be the right thing would other tory mps. For you would that be the right thing to would other tory mps. For you would that be the right thing to do would other tory mps. For you would that be the right thing to do for would other tory mps. For you would that be the right thing to do for a that be the right thing to do for a liz truss to re establish her authority over the party . In a liz truss to reestablish her authority over the party . In a great Art She Authority over the party . In a great part she did authority over the party . In a great part she did already authority over the party . In a great part she did already do authority over the party . In a great part she did already do that authority over the party . 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Used the 45p Tax Rate Policy this really important pointm used the 45p Tax Rate Policy and this really important point. used the 45p Tax Rate Policy and we have concentrated on that an awful lot, but on the key issues there has been division and disagreement and notjust amongst been division and disagreement and not just amongst backbenchers, been division and disagreement and notjust amongst backbenchers, but in the cabinet in her serving ministers. Not you perhaps, but many of your colleagues. Keep the 45p tax rate or scrap it. Keep the fiscal statement on the 23rd Of November or bring it forward. Particularly pertinent for you is uprate benefits in line with inflation or not. The king should go to cop 27 or he should not. What has happened to clear messaging from this government . Clear messaging from this government . Clear messaging from this covernment . ,. ,. , government . You heard the Foreign Secretary touch government . You heard the Foreign Secretary touch on government . 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And it would be better if we were all focused on that. Can you carry on like this all focused on that. Can you carry on like this in all focused on that. Can you carry on like this in the all focused on that. Can you carry on like this in the way all focused on that. Can you carry on like this in the way i all focused on that. Can you carry on like this in the way i have i all focused on that. Can you carry on like this in the way i have just| on like this in the way i have just described . Cabinet ministers saying opposing, contradictory things to each other . Each other . That is clearly not a preferable each other . That is clearly not a preferable way each other . That is clearly not a preferable way of each other . That is clearly not a preferable way of doing each other . That is clearly not a preferable way of doing it. I each other . That is clearly not a preferable way of doing it. Whatj each other . That is clearly not a l preferable way of doing it. 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Are people them and we do that best together. Are people listening them and we do that best together. Are people listening in them and we do that best together. Are people listening in the them and we do that best together. Are people listening in the cabinet . They are listening. The problem is that coalition which borisjohnson disrupted had a very valuable election mandate which is being frittered away by a liz truss who is ignoring parts of northern england. These big tax cuts announced some days ago helped the south to benefit. I5 days ago helped the south to benefit. Days ago helped the south to benefit. ,. ,. ,. , benefit. Is there an open debate now auoin on in benefit. Is there an open debate now going on in public . Benefit. Is there an open debate now going on in public . You benefit. Is there an open debate now going on in public . You might i benefit. Is there an open debate nowj going on in public . You might expect divisions behind the scenes and in cabinet meetings, but this has been played out every day in public. What has happened to collective responsibility . Has happened to Collective Resonsibili . ,. , responsibility . Two things have happened responsibility . Two things have happened. First, responsibility . Two things have happened. First, when responsibility . Two things have happened. First, when the i responsibility . Two things have| happened. First, when the polls responsibility . Two things have i happened. First, when the polls are looking at a Political Party people start thinking about profiling and they start fighting in public. Because of the nature of the u turn over the 45p rate many people feel if they shout they will get a policy change. I5 if they shout they will get a policy chan. E. If they shout they will get a policy chance. ,. ,. ,. , change. Is that not the case that there has been change. Is that not the case that there has been a change. Is that not the case that there has been a uturn change. Is that not the case that there has been a uturn and i change. Is that not the case that i there has been a uturn and cabinet there has been a u turn and Cabinet Ministers feel free to freelance and thatis ministers feel free to freelance and that is because liz truss does not have the authority to keep them quiet . Have the authority to keep them cuiet . ,. , � ~ have the authority to keep them cuiet . ,. , � ,. , quiet . No, i dont think that is the case. Quiet . No, i dont think that is the case what quiet . No, i dont think that is the case what you quiet . No, i dont think that is the case. What you will quiet . No, i dont think that is the case. What you will hear quiet . No, i dont think that is the case. What you will hear from i quiet . No, i dont think that is the case. What you will hear from the | case. What you will hear from the prime case. What you will hear from the Prime Minister case. 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It about us in the bubble of the Party Conference, it is about us in the bubble of the Party Conference, it is about about us in the bubble of the Party Conference, it is about the about us in the bubble of the party| conference, it is about the ordinary people conference, it is about the ordinary people we conference, it is about the ordinary people we need conference, it is about the ordinary people we need to conference, it is about the ordinary people we need to deliver conference, it is about the ordinary people we need to deliver for. I conference, it is about the ordinary people we need to deliver for. Whgj people we need to deliver for. Why do ou people we need to deliver for. Why do you have people we need to deliver for. Why do you have the people we need to deliver for. Do you have the Home Secretary Suella Braverman saying i like the 45p tax, i dont want it to be reinstated after it has been announced it is going to go. Why have you got to talking about a coup on the backbenches. Is that the sort of thing you want to hear . I on the backbenches. Is that the sort of thing you want to hear . Of thing you want to hear . I cannot seak for of thing you want to hear . I cannot speak for her of thing you want to hear . I cannot speak for her and of thing you want to hear . I cannot speak for her and she of thing you want to hear . I cannot speak for her and she will of thing you want to hear . I cannot speak for her and she will want i of thing you want to hear . 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The proof will be i when you see we are able to help people when you see we are able to help people in when you see we are able to help people in every when you see we are able to help people in every part when you see we are able to help people in every part of when you see we are able to help people in every part of our when you see we are able to helpl people in every part of our country et people in every part of our country get greater people in every part of our country get greater opportunity people in every part of our country get greater opportunity and people in every part of our country get greater opportunity and that i get greater opportunity and that means get greater opportunity and that meansiobs get greater opportunity and that meansiobs l get greater opportunity and that means jobs get greater opportunity and that means obs. ,. ,. , means obs. I will talk to you about our means jobs. I will talk to you about our brief means jobs. I will talk to you about your brief and means jobs. I will talk to you about your brief and your means jobs. I will talk to you about your brief and your department i means jobs. I will talk to you aboutj your brief and your department and that issue about the uprate to benefits. The bbc� s Political Editor chris mason has justjoined benefits. The bbc� s Political Editor chris mason hasjustjoined us. We have been talking about whether liz truss can re establish her authority. We have seen these disagreements literally play out hour by hour almost. Certainly yesterday. Can the speech turn it around for her . Yesterday. Can the speech turn it around for her . Probably not as the honest truth around for her . Probably not as the honest truth i around for her . Probably not as the honest truth i suspect around for her . Probably not as the honest truth i suspect in around for her . Probably not as the honest truth i suspect in reality i honest truth i suspect in reality for a leader who has had a really bumpy few days and an extraordinary first four weeks, where any of the talk of choreography over the summer has not played out as they would have imagined, to put it very bluntly. Obviously things derailed and then coming into a conference where there has been open disagreement, that is the reality. The kind of stuff that us as journalists might hear very quietly in a discreet corner of the bar, and there is a lot of that track going on by the way, has just burst out in public. First the row about tax and then yesterday the row about benefits. The extraordinary thing is with the benefits you had a Cabinet Minister advocating a different position from the official government position. You had another Cabinet Minister and the Home Secretary talking about a coup. That language riles the very backbenchers who are saying it is not a coup, we are doing what we are paid to do, to represent the conscience of our constituents. You have seen that play out very publicly and what we have got now is a party asking itself Big Questions about whether itself Big Questions about whether it can hang together. It is as bland as that right now. Flan it can hang together. It is as bland as that right now. As that right now. Can it hang together. As that right now. Can it hang together, chloe . As that right now. Can it hang together, chloe . Yes, i as that right now. Can it hang together, chloe . Yes, it as that right now. Can it hang together, chloe . Yes, it can. J as that right now. Can it hang i together, chloe . Yes, it can. All the members together, chloe . Yes, it can. All the members and together, chloe . Yes, it can. All the members and activists together, chloe . Yes, it can. 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We heard from the other chris, chris, that he would i other chris, chris, that he would like to hear some more contrition, notjust we should have laid the ground better, the phrase that liz truss used at the beginning of conference, but a real apology of how things have unfolded and played out to people here. Out to people here. There will be a reference are out to people here. There will be a reference are here out to people here. There will be a reference are here to out to people here. There will be a reference are here to the out to people here. There will be a reference are here to the whole i out to people here. There will be a| reference are here to the whole tax about turn, quite how directly that is addressed will be interesting. I suspect there is a mood for quite a lot of conservative activists for some kind of contrition and some sort of sense for how the party can find itself back together. That sense of civil war breaking out publicly, i hesitate to use language like that because it seems as though here we go, it is a journalist with typical hyperbole, but it does fairly describe what we are seeing happening at the moment and that concern, to use a phrase by a senior figure, that the party is becoming a Circular Firing Squad figure, that the party is becoming a circularfiring squad on itself. If Circular Firing Squad on itself. If you are hearing these sorts of phrases, as we all have been this week, it raises the question could there really be another Leadership Contest . You just said this is what happened a little bit earlier, stephen, one people are worried about the polls. But we have just had a Leadership Contest, we have just witnessed it, is that what we are leading to again . I just witnessed it, is that what we are leading to again . Just witnessed it, is that what we are leading to again . I was speaking to a coule are leading to again . 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What people are beginning to say is either the party kind of comes together around the new Prime Minister, oryou comes together around the new Prime Minister, or you are looking at a situation where there could be an election much sooner than the current timetable of the next two and a half years. And the hope from those, and there is not much hope around by the way, but the hope amongst those who want to see the Prime Minister succeed and want stability to return, is that mps who are very fearful looking at those polls will conclude it is better to hang around for another two years and hope it gets a little bit better than going into an election sooner rather than later where the polls would suggest annihilation for the conservatives. That is the kind of conversation that is happening pretty openly and some of it publicly, a lot more of it privately, about how this party attempts to approach the coming weeks in the light of what has happened over the rest of the day. Are you fed up, chloe, that this is where your party is . That this is the talk at the end of a conference which is always supposed to be a Honeymoon Period for someone like liz truss . Are you angry at your colleagues who are fighting openly . 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The things we need to do as oliticians. ~. ,. , politicians. We will talk about the substance and politicians. We will talk about the substance and whether politicians. We will talk about the substance and whether you politicians. We will talk about the substance and whether you can. Politicians. We will talk about the i substance and whether you can get politicians. We will talk about the. Substance and whether you can get a line out to the voters on your policies because of all the noise created by your colleagues. Chris mason, thank you very much. You are going to go into the hole shortly for a seat. Is that where we are . Is It Bubble Talk as chloe is saying or is it much more serious . It is It Bubble Talk as chloe is saying or is it much more serious . It is much more serious. Is it much more serious . It is much more serious, look is it much more serious . It is much more serious, look at is it much more serious . It is much more serious, look at the is it much more serious . It is much more serious, look at the polls. More serious, look at the polls. There more serious, look at the polls. There is more serious, look at the polls. There is a more serious, look at the polls. There is a 7 swing in the nine polls there is a 7 swing in the nine polls after there is a 7 swing in the nine polls after the announcement and before polls after the announcement and before the u turn. John curtice knows before the u turn. John curtice knows what is going on. This week is meant knows what is going on. This week is meant to knows what is going on. This week is meant to be knows what is going on. This week is meant to be the easy week when it was a meant to be the easy week when it was a Honeymoon Period and there is a new was a Honeymoon Period and there is a new leader was a Honeymoon Period and there is a new leader here, unless we trust. Instead a new leader here, unless we trust. Instead it a new leader here, unless we trust. Instead it has descended into chaos and the instead it has descended into chaos and the spending cuts, the big stuff, and the spending cuts, the big stuff, to and the spending cuts, the big stuff, to calm the markets, have not been stuff, to calm the markets, have not been started yet. It has been bad this week been started yet. It has been bad this week and it will get worse. Stephen this is semi irrelevant to the big challenges this is semi irrelevant to the big challenges for this is semi irrelevant to the big challenges for the this is semi irrelevant to the big challenges for the government. I this is semi irrelevant to the big i challenges for the government. It looks challenges for the government. It looks like challenges for the government. It looks like the challenges for the government. It looks like the government challenges for the government. 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I in line with inflation, which way are you going to go . In line with inflation, which way are you going to go . I am pleased to have an opportunity are you going to go . I am pleased to have an opportunity to are you going to go . I am pleased to have an opportunity to talk are you going to go . I am pleased to have an opportunity to talk about have an opportunity to talk about this in a calm manner and aside from some of the speculation. This in a calm manner and aside from some of the speculation. Some of the speculation. Created b our some of the speculation. Created by your colleagues, some of the speculation. Created by your colleagues, yes. Some of the speculation. Created by your colleagues, yes. There some of the speculation. Created by your colleagues, yes. There is l some of the speculation. Created by your colleagues, yes. There is a j by your colleagues, yes. There is a statutory process by your colleagues, yes. There is a statutory process and by your colleagues, yes. There is a statutory process and i by your colleagues, yes. There is a statutory process and i take by your colleagues, yes. There is a statutory process and i take an statutory process and i take an annual review of benefits and pensions. That happens in late october. It doesnt happen yet, in other words there hasnt been an answer that could have been given to any of your colleagues, because it has to use data that is onlyjust becoming available. It is a normal and dare i say, boring process that takes place shortly. My priority going into that is to protect the most vulnerable. That is what you would expect, but also you would expect it from a government whose record has been making sure people have had support of the Cost Of Living concerns, the Energy Price Guarantee i havejust mentioned living concerns, the Energy Price Guarantee i have just mentioned and all of that is important. It is guarantee i have just mentioned and all of that is important. All of that is important. 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What about you as the work using the correct data. What about you as the work and using the correct data. What about you as the work and pensions you as the Work And Pensions Secretary stating clearly, like your colleagues dont seem to be holding back on this answer, reassure people by saying we are going to operate universal credit in line with inflation . Universal credit in line with inflation . , inflation . The reassurance i am. Ivina inflation . The reassurance i am giving you inflation . The reassurance i am giving you right inflation . The reassurance i am giving you right here inflation . The reassurance i am giving you right here and inflation . The reassurance i am giving you right here and right i inflation . The reassurance i am i giving you right here and right now is that my priority is to protect the most vulnerable whilst also, of course, echoing. 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Do there will be some painful tradeoffs around welfare. Do you acce t tradeoffs around welfare. Do you accept that . Tradeoffs around welfare. Do you accept that . They tradeoffs around welfare. Do you accept that . They will tradeoffs around welfare. Do you accept that . They will be tradeoffs around welfare. Do you accept that . They will be cuts,. Tradeoffs around welfare. Do youj accept that . They will be cuts, we have looked at the figures. If it is not your department, which department should it be . You have had the chancellor department should it be . You have had the Chancellor Making Department should it be . You have had the chancellor making the had the chancellor making the regional point, we will have to make sure various fiscal sustainability, thatis sure various fiscal sustainability, that is right. This is a process and a set of decisions that all departments will pass on. Nadine dorries tweeted, departments will pass on. Nadine dorries tweeted, we departments will pass on. Nadine dorries tweeted, we have departments will pass on. Nadine dorries tweeted, we have no departments will pass on. Nadine dorries tweeted, we have no mandate from the people to do this. The policies that liz truss and the government have set out. Conservative government elected on the basis of a manifest it is how democracy works. People voted in 2019 on the policy promises we made and for paris. If we dont deliver on the deal, we need a fresh mandate. What do you say to Nadine Dorries . I mandate. What do you say to Nadine Dorries . , ,. , mandate. What do you say to Nadine Dorries . ,. ,. , dorries . I am not commenting on any colleauue, dorries . I am not commenting on any colleague. That dorries . I am not commenting on any colleague, that is dorries . I am not commenting on any colleague, that is not dorries . I am not commenting on any colleague, that is not what dorries . I am not commenting on any colleague, that is not what i dorries . I am not commenting on any colleague, that is not what i am colleague, that is not what i am here to do. I dont think a General Election would help people, it would cause further anxiety and what i would like to see the Prime Minister do is how we are delivering. What do is how we are delivering. What is her mandate . Do is how we are delivering. What is her mandate . Who do is how we are delivering. What is her mandate . Who is do is how we are delivering. What is her mandate . Who is her mandate from . 170,000 conservative Party Members. Nadine dorries is right, there is no mandate . That members. Nadine dorries is right, there is no mandate . There is no mandate . That is not riaht, at there is no mandate . That is not right. At the there is no mandate . That is not right, at the 2019 there is no mandate . That is not right, at the 2019 election there is no mandate . 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They didnt like rishi unify around anything. They didnt like rishi sunaks unify around anything. They didnt like rishi sunaks tax unify around anything. They didnt like rishi sunaks tax rises, unify around anything. They didnt like rishi sunaks tax rises, but i like rishi sunaks tax rises, but you have like rishi sunaks tax rises, but you have to like rishi sunaks tax rises, but you have to have like rishi sunaks tax rises, but you have to have them like rishi sunaks tax rises, but you have to have them if like rishi sunaks tax rises, but you have to have them if you i like rishi sunaks tax rises, but. You have to have them if you dont want you have to have them if you dont want these you have to have them if you dont want these tax you have to have them if you dont want these tax cuts. You have to have them if you dont want these tax cuts. It you have to have them if you dont want these tax cuts. It is you have to have them if you dont want these tax cuts. 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We have about 15 minutes until the speech by liz truss, first as leader and Prime Minister. It has been a torrid week and it is not helped by the fact there are train strikes on so many people have left conference in order to get home yesterday. What sort of reception do you think she will get when she goes into the hall . J will get when she goes into the hall . ~ , will get when she goes into the hall . ~ , ~. , hall . I think they will be keen to make it work hall . I think they will be keen to make it work for hall . I think they will be keen to make it work for her. Hall . I think they will be keen to make it work for her. These hall . I think they will be keen to | make it work for her. These other members, most of whom voted for her. They want it to work and they recognise, how can you get another leader christmas . They will be wanting it to work, and when she is amongst friends and relaxes, she is quite fluent and drew a good line between tax cuts in the city and growing the pie and levelling up regions. There is an idea in there, you want to see more of that, governing for the whole country. She said she is willing to take unpopular decisions and she will press ahead with going for growth. Going for growth at any cost . What going for growth at any cost . What does that mean . Going for growth at any cost . What does that mean . Part going for growth at any cost . What does that mean . Part of going for growth at any cost . What does that mean . Part of the problem is, she does that mean . Part of the problem is, she is does that mean . Part of the problem is, she is not does that mean . Part of the problem is, she is not going for growth at any cost, is, she is not going for growth at any cost, she will not rejoin the single any cost, she will not rejoin the Single Market loosen immigration. There Single Market loosen immigration. There are Single Market loosen immigration. There are a Single Market loosen immigration. There are a bunch of things the Parliamentary Party will not wear and the Parliamentary Party will not wear and the big problem is it is hard to see how and the big problem is it is hard to see how you can reconcile unashamed progrowth see how you can reconcile unashamed progrowth agenda with the Electoral Coalition progrowth agenda with the Electoral Coalition of conservative assembled in 2019 coalition of conservative assembled in 2019. Can coalition of conservative assembled in 2019. ,. , coalition of conservative assembled in 2019. , i. , coalition of conservative assembled in2019. ,. ,. ,. , in 2019. Can you hold onto those seats in those in 2019. Can you hold onto those seats in those parts in 2019. Can you hold onto those seats in those parts of in 2019. Can you hold onto those seats in those parts of the in 2019. Can you hold onto those i seats in those parts of the country that voted labour for decades and then what we would all called the blue wall, the conservative seats, that coalition is fracturing to mock the frustrations Boris Johnson created, by not being clear, he did not cut the 45p tax rate. He created, by not being clear, he did not cut the 45p tax rate. Not cut the 45p tax rate. He would have talked not cut the 45p tax rate. He would have talked about not cut the 45p tax rate. He would have talked about it not cut the 45p tax rate. He would have talked about it a not cut the 45p tax rate. He would have talked about it a lot not cut the 45p tax rate. He would have talked about it a lot and not cut the 45p tax rate. He would have talked about it a lot and try i have talked about it a lot and try to keep have talked about it a lot and try to keep everybody happy. People who Boris Johnson to keep everybody happy. People who Boris Johnson partly to keep everybody happy. People who Boris Johnson partly through to keep everybody happy. People who Boris Johnson partly through the Boris Johnson partly through the lens of the borisjohnson partly through the lens of the pandemic, as someone who was a bigger state conservative. You heard the chancellor say this week, i want people to keep more of their money and make the decisions on how to spend their money. I want the government to get out of peoples way. These are traditional conservative phrases we didnt hear and may people arent ready for particularly in those former redwall areas . Particularly in those former redwall areas . , , areas . That is the big problem. The conservative areas . That is the big problem. The Conservative Party areas . That is the big problem. The Conservative Party was areas . That is the big problem. The Conservative Party was desperate i Conservative Party was desperate when they turn to borisjohnson and they were willing to be led quite far into the political centre. Now theyre trying to use their majority to do some right wing things and with small majorities are going, mps with small majorities are going, mps with Big Majorities are saying, this looks bad. That is why they are in this political mess. Is looks bad. That is why they are in this political mess. This political mess. Is that what will, in the this political mess. Is that what will, in the end, this political mess. Is that what will, in the end, if this political mess. Is that what will, in the end, if it this political mess. Is that what will, in the end, if it does this political mess. Is that what. Will, in the end, if it does trigger some sort of, if not challenge, some sort of, to use Suella Bravermans red, some sort of coup. She sort of, to use Suella Bravermans red, some sort of coup. Red, some sort of coup. She said that on my red, some sort of coup. She said that on my podcast. Red, some sort of coup. She said that on my podcast. She red, some sort of coup. She said that on my podcast. She did. Red, some sort of coup. She said| that on my podcast. She did. She red, some sort of coup. She said that on my podcast. She did. She got three or four that on my podcast. She did. She got three or four ovations that on my podcast. She did. She got three or four ovations and that on my podcast. She did. She got three or four ovations and she that on my podcast. She did. She got three or four ovations and she does i three or four ovations and she does talk their language. Part of the problem is, they spent all of august having these stings around the country, you went to some of them and they were talking to each other. Number ten thought they emerge from that and they thought the rest of the country was listening and ready for what was coming. But half were on holiday, so they came out with these plans and squeeze them in after the queens mourning period. Nobody was ready for it. I would say, time is on her side she can go long into 202a. If green shoots start to emerge in terms of growth and if the war ends, or becomes a position in ukraine where the gas applies happening again in europe, inflation falls, it is all ifs, but she has time on her side and growth can happen. But we are not in a very good place now for the party. What good place now for the party. What about the politics . Good place now for the party. What about the politics . That about the politics . That relationship between Kwasi Kwarteng and liz truss, chancellor and Prime Minister ka is said to be very close, they agree on the economic prospectus, but it was a difficult start to the week and yesterday liz truss struggled at the beginning when asked, whether she trusted her chancellor, Kwasi Kwarteng, and it was bizarre. Is there a sense that things perhaps are not as rosy at the top, even between the two of them . , , them . One of the big Selling Points was a very close them . One of the big Selling Points was a very close political was a very close political relationship. When it is bad, the chancellor relationship. When it is bad, the chancellor and Prime Minister will always chancellor and Prime Minister will always have friction and this relationship is no different to any other relationship is no different to any other. �. Relationship is no different to any other. � ,. ,. , ~ relationship is no different to any other. � ,. ,. , ~. , relationship is no different to any other. � ,. ,. , other. Lets look at this headline, liz truss has other. Lets look at this headline, liz truss has broken other. Lets look at this headline, liz truss has broken the other. Lets look at this headline, liz truss has broken the first other. Lets look at this headline, liz truss has broken the first rule j liz truss has broken the first rule of politics, keep your friends close but your enemies, like my ex husband, michael gove, even closer. Do you agree with sarah . She is riuht. To closer. Do you agree with sarah . Sue is right. To be fair closer. Do you agree with sarah . Su9 is right. To be fair to liz truss, michael gove walked away, he wasnt fired. Grant shapps was fired and he but mackay know what she means, there is a concern when you get back next week there will be different cohorts in the tory party concerned. The ones who were sacked and angry with liz truss, those who have been excluded, the ones from the redwall asking what is going on. On the 2019 intake saying, why doesnt anybody love us. She will be looking for her allies to help her. Allies to help her. Getting britain movinu. Allies to help her. Getting britain moving. Nadeem allies to help her. Getting britain moving. Nadeem is allies to help her. Getting britain moving. Nadeem is haavi, allies to help her. Getting britain i moving. Nadeem is haavi, Cabinet Minister hasjust moving. Nadeem is haavi, Cabinet Minister has just finished talking. They will be an introductory video, as there always is. We are told liz truss is going to come onto the Stage Two And 19905 Classic Which did immediately made me think of theresa may in 2018 coming on to Dancing Queen which surprised everybody. In terms of keeping your enemies and friends closer, was it mistake not to include more people in the cabinet or ministerial positions who were rishi sunak supporters . Positions who were rishi sunak supporters . Positions who were rishi sunak su orters . ,. , supporters . One of the problem is the tory Party Supporters . One of the problem is the tory party has supporters . One of the problem is the tory party has had, supporters . One of the problem is the tory party has had, while supporters . One of the problem is the tory party has had, while the i the tory party has had, while the majority the tory party has had, while the majority is the tory party has had, while the majority is bigger than any they have majority is bigger than any they have enjoyed since 1987, it is not that large have enjoyed since 1987, it is not that large in historic terms and there that large in historic terms and there are that large in historic terms and there are a that large in historic terms and there are a lot of sacked ministers and backbenchers. It would have been and backbenchers. It would have been a good and backbenchers. It would have been a good idea and backbenchers. It would have been a good idea to bring in a couple of people a good idea to bring in a couple of people who had been languishing on the back people who had been languishing on the back benches under Boris Johnson as well, the back benches under Boris Johnson as well, to the back benches under Boris Johnson as well, to make it look like a government that is loyal and there is a way government that is loyal and there is a way back. Government that is loyal and there is a way back government that is loyal and there is a way back. What they believe in, the ask is a way back. What they believe in, they ask questions, is a way back. What they believe in, they ask questions, penny is a way back. What they believe in, i they ask questions, penny mordaunt, they ask questions, penny mordaunt, the minister who talked about doing an inflation increase not benefits. She narrowly lost out on the leadership and that could be issues between her and the Prime Minister. I am sure there is not, but she was nearly leader. I wonder if she will come on to things can only get better . Come on to things can only get better . , ,. , come on to things can only get better . , , , , better . That has already been used and not b better . That has already been used and rrot by the better . That has already been used and not by the conservative better . That has already been used and not by the Conservative Party. I and not by the Conservative Party. We are told it is moving on up. In terms of support, will be go back to the fact the majority of mp5 did not support liz truss during the Leadership Contest and that is now a problem . The Leadership Contest and that is now a roblem . , , , problem . The top three candidates have a third. Problem . The top three candidates have a third, third problem . The top three candidates have a third, third and problem . The top three candidates have a third, third and a problem . The top three candidates have a third, third and a third problem . The top three candidates have a third, third and a third of. Have a third, third and a third of the Parliamentary Party. She could unify the the Parliamentary Party. She could unify the right but only very grudgingly. The central thing is, the party grudgingly. The central thing is, the party is not united. She doesnt need the party is not united. She doesnt need to the party is not united. She doesnt need to be the party is not united. She doesnt need to be contrite, she needs to win her need to be contrite, she needs to win her civil need to be contrite, she needs to win her civil war if you wants to govern win her civil war if you wants to govern effectively. If win her civil war if you wants to govern effectively. Win her civil war if you wants to govern effectively. If the growth works, govern effectively. If the growth works. They govern effectively. If the growth works, they will govern effectively. If the growth works, they will come govern effectively. If the growth works, they will come back. Govern effectively. If the growth i works, they will come back. Right now it looks very difficult. I would say that keir starmer, who is miles ahead on course for a three figure majority if there was an election tomorrow, he has done very little for the tories to win their support. The tories hope it is a very soft lead, even though it is a big one. Do you think that is right . Is there hopein do you think that is right . Is there hope in tory ranks that is the case, although it is huge, the lead, it might not be as solid as it seems . That is one of the reasons why she is under that is one of the reasons why she is under pressure. If it looked solid. Is under pressure. If it looked solid, people would just go, we need to unify solid, people would just go, we need to unify and solid, people would just go, we need to unify and minimise the damage. Keir starmers achievement has done a ob Keir Starmers achievement has done a job of Keir Starmers achievement has done a job of making the libre party nonscary a job of making the libre party non scary. We a job of making the libre party nonscary a job of making the libre party nonscary. A job of making the libre party nonsca. ~. ,. , nonscary. We are hearing the words brutal party nonscary. We are hearing the words brutal Party Discipline nonscary. We are hearing the words brutal Party Discipline for nonscary. We are hearing the words brutal Party Discipline for people brutal Party Discipline for people that vlans outside the cabinet, michael gove and grant shapps. Is that the sort of language you would use to unify a party . Hie. That the sort of language you would use to unify a party . Use to unify a party . No, but discipline use to unify a party . No, but discipline is use to unify a party . No, but discipline is important. Use to unify a party . No, but discipline is important. Next| use to unify a party . No, but discipline is important. Next week she will be meeting mp5 on tuesday to say, here we go. I think Kwasi Kwarteng, the mp5 who are not really here, by the way. They havent seen the chancellor who did a u turn on the chancellor who did a u turn on the headline grabbing part of the budget. The headline grabbing part of the budaet. The headline grabbing part of the budaet. , budget. That is the point next week, as ou budget. That is the point next week, as you were budget. That is the point next week, as you were saying budget. That is the point next week, as you were saying earlier, budget. That is the point next week, as you were saying earlier, it as you were saying earlier, it could be even more difficult because then we are at the stage of having legislation being laid out, Policy Announcements being put forward because liz truss has promised this raft of deregulation and reform. What chance has that got of actually getting through if they knew and they were told that they couldnt get through the 45p Tax Rate Policy . The supply site is easy to pass, but the big the supply site is easy to pass, but the big issue will be on planning. What the big issue will be on planning. What do the big issue will be on planning. What do you think . They are already dusting down their travels and getting a bit fired up. Lets dusting down their travels and getting a bit fired up. Lets have a look at liz getting a bit fired up. Lets have a look at liz truss getting a bit fired up. Lets have a look at liz truss and getting a bit fired up. Lets have a look at liz truss and her getting a bit fired up. Lets have a| look at liz truss and her husband, hugh oleary. They were making their way earlier on, as is the tradition for all party leaders, and in this case the Prime Minister, walking across the bridge in birmingham from the hotel over to the conference hall. But looking pretty confident there. As Kwasi Kwarteng was a few days ago. What colour is that . Terracotta, i think, days ago. What colour is that . Terracotta, ithink, at days ago. What colour is that . Terracotta, i think, at first glance. And of course she does say she is confident and she will face out her critics. It is interesting it is such a short speech. I mean, 90 minutes was Keir Starmers longest and that was very long. 25 minutes feels quite short to me. Given the think she will not want to happen given the think she will not want to happen is given the think she will not want to happen is for anything in her speech because happen is for anything in her speech because the market react adversely, i because the market react adversely, i imagine because the market react adversely, i imagine she will not do a unified behind i imagine she will not do a unified behind me. I imagine she will not do a unified behind me, she will do the come together, behind me, she will do the come together, and all of that leads you together, and all of that leads you to a short. Together, and all of that leads you to a short, succinct, nothing people can get to a short, succinct, nothing people can get angry about, nothing markets can get angry about, nothing markets can be can get angry about, nothing markets can be alarmed about, but i suspect she will can be alarmed about, but i suspect she will fail can be alarmed about, but i suspect she will fail on one of those. Is she will fail on one of those. [5 that she will fail on one of those. That the she will fail on one of those. Is that the case, a little bit like Kwasi Kwarteng, that was also short, the budget was short, although that created an awful lot of reaction and views. They have been so shaken by Market Reaction which they think is slightly unfair. Brute Market Reaction which they think is slightly unfair slightly unfair. We were expecting when kwasi slightly unfair. We were expecting when Kwasi Kwarteng slightly unfair. We were expecting when Kwasi Kwarteng spoke. Slightly unfair. We were expecting. When Kwasi Kwarteng spoke. Sorry, ou can when Kwasi Kwarteng spoke. Sorry, you can see when Kwasi Kwarteng spoke. Sorry, you can see the when Kwasi Kwarteng spoke. Sorry, you can see the cabinet when Kwasi Kwarteng spoke. Sorry, you can see the cabinet file when Kwasi Kwarteng spoke. Sorry, you can see the cabinet file in, you can see the cabinet file in, there is penny mordaunt, leader of there is penny mordaunt, leader of the house and the party chairman. And there is liz truss plasma has been at the end, who is not a member of the cabinet, just to be clear, taking their seats. James cleverly, the Foreign Secretary, next to Kwasi Kwarteng and Suella Braverman, and there is ben wallace, the defence secretary. We have not seen a lot of ben wallace who was at one point was being talked about being potential contender. ,. , , ,. , being talked about being potential contender. ,. ,. , , ,. , contender. Defence is an area that is not controversial, contender. Defence is an area that is not controversial, it contender. Defence is an area that is not controversial, it also contender. Defence is an area that is not controversial, it also has is not controversial, it also has the full support for ukraine. They all want to support ukraine, there is not an area there where they will have a battle, but there will be a spending debate going forward. That is what i was spending debate going forward. That is what i was going to say, the 3 played, when we are talking about spending cuts, which the institute for fiscal studies said could be £80 billion, it is not going to be on defence, is it . Billion, it is not going to be on defence, is it . � ,. , , , defence, is it . Because of what has ha ened, defence, is it . Because of what has happened. A defence, is it . Because of what has happened. A lot defence, is it . Because of what has happened, a lot of defence, is it . Because of what has happened, a lot of the defence, is it . Because of what has happened, a lot of the defence happened, a lot of the defence spending is in dollars and the defence spending is in dollars and the defence budget may have to grow and that will defence budget may have to grow and that will put further pressure on other that will put further pressure on other budgets if they want to have these other budgets if they want to have these tax other budgets if they want to have these tax cuts. It other budgets if they want to have these tax cuts. These tax cuts. It could not be in health either. These tax cuts. It could not be in health either. We these tax cuts. It could not be in health either. We have these tax cuts. It could not be in health either. We have seen these tax cuts. It could not be in health either. We have seen therese coffey, the deputy Prime Minister and Health Secretary, there will not be cuts there. And Health Secretary, there will not be cuts there be cuts there. There will be more money for be cuts there. There will be more money for health. Be cuts there. There will be more money for health. Remember be cuts there. There will be more i money for health. Remember when theresa mays speech went wobbly quickly. J theresa mays speech went wobbly cuickl. , theresa mays speech went wobbly cuickl. I quickly. Iwill never forget it. I think the quickly. Iwill never forget it. I think the stage quickly. I will never forget it. I think the stage is quickly. Iwill never forget it. I think the stage is safe. Quickly. Iwill never forget it. I think the stage is safe. Is quickly. Iwill never forget it. I think the stage is safe. Is that j quickly. I will never forget it. I think the stage is safe. Is that the choreography think the stage is safe. Is that the choreography will think the stage is safe. Is that the choreography will be think the stage is safe. Is that the choreography will be fine . Think the stage is safe. Is that the choreography will be fine . She. Choreography will be fine . She cannot slip choreography will be fine . She cannot slip or choreography will be fine . Su9 cannot slip or fall, and if anything goes wrong she will become a hapless Prime Minister very quickly. She is trying to project authority. You Prime Minister very quickly. She is trying to project authority. Trying to proect authority. You can see them trying to project authority. You can see them all trying to project authority. You can see them all chatting trying to project authority. You can see them all chatting together, see them all chatting together, amongst themselves. There is michelle donelan, the culture secretary and Nadhim Zahawi are waiting liz truss. They look relaxed. But i suppose you would expect them to be. But it is strange, this feeling that liz truss has only been Prime Minister for strange, this feeling that liz truss has only been Prime Ministerfor a number of weeks and to be in this much hot water potentially with her own party. Much hot water potentially with her own a. Much hot water potentially with her own a. , , own party. Yes, it is an unprecedented own party. Yes, it is an| unprecedented collapse own party. Yes, it is an unprecedented collapse for a own party. Yes, it is an unprecedented collapse for a leader. That of unprecedented collapse for a leader. That of course means, one thing we are unsurprised about is giving them marks are unsurprised about is giving them marks for are unsurprised about is giving them marks for doing the bare minimum because marks for doing the bare minimum because i marks for doing the bare minimum because i have not managed to clear that bare because i have not managed to clear that bare minimum. The}r because i have not managed to clear that bare minimum. Because i have not managed to clear that bare minimum. They have been in ower, the that bare minimum. They have been in power, the conservatives, that bare minimum. They have been in power, the conservatives, since power, the conservatives, since 2010. I5 power, the conservatives, since 2010. Is this also fatigue in a sense that liz truss and Kwasi Kwarteng are trying to create change but in fact this is another conservative government . It is but in fact this is another conservative government . It is like a snake that conservative government . It is like a snake that sheds conservative government . It is like a snake that sheds its conservative government . It is like a snake that sheds its skin conservative government . It is like a snake that sheds its skin every i conservative government . It is likej a snake that sheds its skin every so often, and they are trying to present the party in real time and in policy and the rest will be they will be blamed for the next Interest Rate rise. There will be Global Markets contributing to that, but they will be blamed. Thea;r markets contributing to that, but they will be blamed. They will be blamed. They will be blamed because they will be blamed. They will be blamed because of they will be blamed. They will be blamed because of the they will be blamed. They will be blamed because of the interest i they will be blamed. They will be i blamed because of the Interest Rate decision coming on the bank of england intervention after the mini budget. In terms of trying to reinvent themselves, is it almost impossible to do after 12 years . It impossible to do after 12 years . It gets more difficult. You have more sack people on the backbenches, you have people more invested in the decisions have people more invested in the decisions made. One reason why it is so hard decisions made. One reason why it is so hard for decisions made. One reason why it is so hard for them to make any further cuts is so hard for them to make any further cuts is we so hard for them to make any further cuts is we had from 2010 to 2016 some cuts is we had from 2010 to 2016 some reductions in the size of the state some reductions in the size of the state and some reductions in the size of the state and that is one of the reasons why it state and that is one of the reasons why it is state and that is one of the reasons why it is harder. It is harder for governments to do things the longer they are governments to do things the longer they are in governments to do things the longer they are in office. It was hard for labour they are in office. It was hard for labour in they are in office. It was hard for labour in 2010 and maybe we are in that position again. Will labour in 2010 and maybe we are in that position again. That position again. Will the public where it . They that position again. Will the public where it . They will that position again. Will the public where it . They will have that position again. Will the public where it . They will have to. That position again. Will the public where it . They will have to. Liz. Where it . They will have to. Liz truss is now poling as badly as borisjohnson was in the depths of partygate. The party must look at itself and go, what have we done . What is the point . We lost the ringmaster in the circus. He has left the tent and the lion is rearing up at the acrobats one by one. It rearing up at the acrobats one by one. Rearing up at the acrobats one by one. , , , rearing up at the acrobats one by one. one. It is chaotic. The pandemic led to one of the one. It is chaotic. The pandemic led to one of the biggest one. It is chaotic. The pandemic led to one of the biggest interventions, the Energy Intervention, with furlough. That began in the public� s mind means they expect government to some extent to step in, in the way the government would argue its Energy Intervention package does, but it has been overshadowed by the £45 but it has been overshadowed by the eas million worth of unfunded £a5 million worth of unfunded tax cuts . £45 million worth of unfunded tax cuts . £45 million worth of unfunded tax cuts . , , ,. , cuts . The government has had to use the extraordinary cuts . The government has had to use the extraordinary physical cuts . The government has had to use the extraordinary physical power cuts . The government has had to use the extraordinary physical power of i the extraordinary physical power of the extraordinary physical power of the central bank and there is a lot of pressure the central bank and there is a lot of pressure on public finances and it does of pressure on public finances and it does create that sense that the government can fix things. But it also creates irritation in the Conservative Party. Some mps almost feel like Conservative Party. Some mps almost feel like they deserve these tax cuts as feel like they deserve these tax cuts as a feel like they deserve these tax cuts as a treat because they had to do all cuts as a treat because they had to do all this cuts as a treat because they had to do all this stuff over the last couple do all this stuff over the last couple of years. Do all this stuff over the last couple of years. You said at the beginning couple of years. You said at the beginning maybe couple of years. You said at the beginning maybe they couple of years. You said at the beginning maybe they did couple of years. You said at the | beginning maybe they did things couple of years. You said at the beginning maybe they did things too quickly, all at once. It beginning maybe they did things too quickly, all at once. Quickly, all at once. It was a christmas quickly, all at once. It was a Christmas Tree quickly, all at once. It was a Christmas Tree upon quickly, all at once. It was a Christmas Tree upon which i quickly, all at once. It was a i Christmas Tree upon which they quickly, all at once. It was a Christmas Tree upon which they have all these baubles, energy, Corporation Tax, 45 p. There was no need for it because there were other events that could do that. The march budget had an april increase on and they ran before they could walk and they ran before they could walk and they have fallen on their face. 95nd they have fallen on their face. And that is because they have fallen on their face. And that is because they were in a hurry . The next election could be 2024. I5 hurry . The next election could be 2024. Is that understandable . Considering they have been more conciliatory on the Northern Ireland protocol. 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Move it, move it, move it, move it, time to break free, nothing move it, move it, time to breakfree, nothing can happen. Cheering thank you, thank you. My my friends, it be here birmingham. To be with you here in birmingham. It fantastic cranes skyline, across the skyline, building new buildings. Trams the 77 the streets 5 77 the streets and 77 the streets and the 77 w w ifiesireeie 15. 9 {hm down the streets and the bull standing proudly at the heart of birmingham. My friends, this is what a city with a tory mayor looks like. Applause it is positive, it is enterprising, it is successful and andy street is dynamo for � birmingham. For � birmingham. And for � birmingham. And our people of birmingham. And our teesside mayor ben coach and is also delivering newjobs. This is what modern conservativism looks like. Lets get tory mayor is elected and london, manchester, and West Yorkshire and right across our great country. We gather at a vital time for the United Kingdom. These are stormy days. Together we have mourned the death of Queen Elizabeth ii, the rock on which modern britain was built. We are now in a new era under king charles iii. We are dealing with a Global Economic crisis caused by covid and by putins appalling war in ukraine. In these tough times we need to step up. I am determined to get britain moving, to get us through the tempest and to put us on a stronger footing as a nation. I am driven in this mission by my firm belief in the british people. I believe that you know best how to spend your own money, to get on in life and to realise your ambitions. Applause my my friends, that is what conservatism is about. It is a belief in freedom, in fair play and the Great Potential of the british people. So i am not going to tell you what to do or what to think or how to live your life. I am not interested in how many two for one offers you buy at the supermarket, or how you spend your spare time, or in virtue signalling. I am not interested injust in virtue signalling. I am not interested in just talking about things, but actually doing things. What i am interested in is your hopes and fears that you feel every day. Can you get a good job locally . Is it safe to walk down the high street late at night . Can you get a doctors appointment . I know how you feel because i have the same hopes and fears. I want what you want. I fought to get where i am today. I fought to get where i am today. I fought to getjobs, to get pay rises and get on the housing ladder. I havejuggled my career and get on the housing ladder. I have juggled my career with and get on the housing ladder. I havejuggled my career with raising two wonderful daughters. I know how it feels to have your potential dismissed by those who think they know better. I remember as a young girl being presented on a plane with a junior air hostess badge. Meanwhile, my brothers were given junior pilot batches. Badges. It was not the only time in my life that i have been treated differently for being female or for not fitting in. It made me angry and it made me determined, determined to change things so other people did not feel the same way. Applause i remember growing up in leeds where i remember growing up in leeds where i saw too many children being let down. Let down by low expectations, let down by a Labour Council who were more interested in Political Correctness than they were in school standards. But i was lucky to have been brought up in a family that cared about education. They taught me the value of hard work and enterprise. And i stand here today as the first Prime Minister of our country to have gone to a comprehensive school. Applause that taught me two things. One is, we have huge talent acro55 that taught me two things. One is, we have huge talent across our country. And we are not making enough of it. This is a great country, i am so proud of who we are and what we stand for. I know we can do better and they know that we must do better and they know that we must do better. And that is why i entered politics. I want to live in a country where hard work is rewarded, where women can walk home safely at night and where our children have a better future. Night and where our children have a betterfuture. To night and where our children have a better future. To deliver this we need to get britain moving. We cannot have any more drift and the late at this vital time. Lets remember where we were there when i entered downing street. Average energy bills where predicted to rise above £6,000 a year. We face the highest tax burden our country had had for 70 years. And we were told that we could do nothing about it. I didnt accept that things had to be that way. I knew that inaction would be unconscionable. Families would have been unable to heat their homes, businesses would have gone bust. Jobs would have been lost. And we would have worst Public Services, including the nhs. I couldnt allow this to happen. I refused to consign our great country to decline. Applause and that is why i promised, on entering downing street, to act. Heckling. Booing. Applause cheering and applause thank you. Later on in my speech, my friends, i am going to talk about the anti Growth Coalition. But i think they arrived a bit too early. They were meant to come later on. So we will get onto them, we will get onto them in a few minutes. But what we did is, we acted. We made sure the typical Household Energy bill should not be more than around £2500 a year, this winter and next. We followed up with immediate action to support businesses over the winter. We are determined to shield people from astronomically high bills. So much so, we are doing more in this country to protect people from the Energy Crisis than any other country in europe. Applause our response to the Energy Crisis was the biggest part of our mini budget. It was the biggest part for a good reason, because we had to do it. But it is not the only challenge we face. For too long our economy hasnt grown as strongly as it should have done. I know what it is like to live somewhere that isnt feeling the benefits of Economic Growth. I grew up in paisley and in leeds in the 805 and 905. I have seen the boarded up shops, i have seen the boarded up shops, i have seen people left with no hope turning to drugs. I have seen families struggling to put food on the table. Low growth isntjust numbers on a spreadsheet, low growth means lower wages, few opportunities and less money to spend on the things that make life better. It means our country falling behind other countries, including those who threaten our way of life. And it means the parts of our country that i really care about falling even further behind. That is why we must level up our country in a conservative way, ensuring everywhere, everyone can get on. Applause conference, it is wrong to invest only in the places that are thriving, as economic models often have it. We need to fund the furthest behind first. And for too long the political debate has been dominated by the argument about how we distribute a limited economic pie. Instead, we need to grow the pie. Instead, we need to grow the pie so everyone gets a bigger slice. Applause that is why i am determined to take a new approach and break out of this high tax, low growth cycle. And that is what our plan is about. It is about getting the Economy Growing and rebuilding britain through reform. The scale of this challenge is immense. While in europe for the first time in a generation. And more uncertain world in the aftermath of coveid uncertain world in the aftermath of cove id and the Global Economic crisis. That is why, in britain we need to do things differently. We need to do things differently. We need to do things differently. We need to step up. As the last few weeks have shown, it will be difficult. Whenever there is change, there is disruption. Not everybody will be in favour of change, but everyone will benefit from the result. A growing economy and a better future. Applause that is what we have a clear plan to deliver. I have three priorities for our economy, growth, growth and growth. Applause growth means more money in peoples packets. It means businesses creating newjobs, growth means people can feel secure and they can plan for their future. Fundamentally, growth helps people fulfil their hopes and their dreams. And that is why are dynamic new chancellor and i will be taking action in three areas. First of all, we were lower. Cheering and applause first of all even lower our tax burden. Overthe first of all even lower our tax burden. Over the summer we had a robust debate and the Conservative Party will always be the party of low taxes. Applause cutting taxes is the right thing to do morally and economically. Morally, because the state doesnt spend its own money, it spends the peoples money. Economically, because if people keep more of their own money they are inspired to do more of what they do best. That is what grows the economy. When the government plays too big a role, people feel smaller. High taxes mean you feel it is less worthwhile working the extra hour, going for a betterjob or setting up your own business. That is why, my friends, we are cutting taxes. Applause we have already cut stamp duty, helping people on the housing ladder, especially first time buyers. We are reversing the increase in National Insurance from next month. We are keeping Corporation Tax at 19 , the lowest in the g20. We are also helping 31 million working people by cutting the basic rate of income tax. Applause we need to be internationally competitive with all our tax rates attracting the best talent. Cutting taxes helps us face the Global Economic crisis, putting up a sign that britain is open for business. Applause the fact is, the abolition of the 45p tax rate became a distraction from the major parts of our growth plan. That is why we are no longer proceeding with it. I get it and i have listened. Applause secondly, we will keep an iron grip on the nations finances. I believe in fiscal responsibility, i believe in getting value for the taxpayer, i believe in sound money and lean state. I remember my shot, opening my first pay check to see how much money the taxman had taken out. I remember this feeling is replicated across the country. Applause and that is why we must always be careful with taxpayers money. It is why this government will always be fiscally responsible. We are in extraordinary times, he would have been wrong not to have proceeded rapidly with our energy and tax plan. I am clear, we cannot pave the way to sustainable Economic Growth without fiscal responsibility. So we will bring down debt as a proportion of our national income. Applause. We are seeing rising Interest Rates worldwide in the wake of president putins and covid. The Federal Reserve has been hiking rates in america and there are more rises to come. Inflation is high acro55 america and there are more rises to come. Inflation is high across the worlds major economies. We will do what we can as a government to support homeowners, such as cutting stamp but it is right that Interest Rates are independently set by the bank of england and politicians do not decide on this. The chancellor and the government will keep closely coordinating our monetary and fiscal policy. And the chancellor and i are incomplete lockstep on this. Applause thirdly, we will drive Economic Reforms to build our country for a new era. We take a new approach based on what has worked before. Previously, we face barriers to growth like militant unions, Nationalised Industries and outdated city regulation. Now we must break down the barriers to growth built up in our system over decades. Decisions take too long, burdens on businesses are too high, Infrastructure Projects get delayed for years, years and years. As a result, we have seen Economic Growth choked. Houses havent been built where they are needed and wanted and we have become averse as a nation to doing things differently. I love business, i love enterprise, i love people who take responsibility, start their own businesses and invest. Applause they generate profits, they create newjobs they generate profits, they create new jobs and they generate profits, they create newjobs and they power our success. And i want to see more of that, that is why we will back business to the hilt. We are cutting taxes and simplifying red tape to help businesses realise their ambitions. This is what our new investment zones will do, helping us level up across the country. We will be inspired by the great hubs of industry like bournville, here in the west midlands. And that is what zones in places like here and around the country will deliver. We want to create zones in england, scotland, wales and Northern Ireland and now is the time to harness the power of Free Enterprise to transform our country, ensure that our greatest days lie ahead. Applause this is the United Kingdom at its best, working together and getting our Economy Growing. And we will face down the separatists who threaten to pull apart our precious union, ourfamily. Union, our family. Applause next year we will host a Global Investment summit. This will show the worlds top investors there is nowhere better to investors there is nowhere better to invest than the uk and we are seizing the new found freedoms outside the european union. We are the party that got brexit down and we will realise on the promise of brexit. Applause we are building an economy which makes the most of the huge opportunities brexit offers. By opportunities brexit offers. By the end of the year all eu red tape will be consigned to history. Instead, we will ensure that regulation is pro business and pro britain. Leaving the eu gives us the chance to do things differently and we need more of that. That is why over the coming weeks my team of ministers will set out more about what we are going to do to get britain moving. We will make it easier to build homes, to afford childcare and to get superfast broadband. We will help you setup your own business and get a mobile phone signal wherever you are the country. We are in tough times, but i want you to know that day in, day out, i am thinking about how we get this country moving. I am working flat out to make sure people can get through this crisis. So let me be clear, we have your back. Applause that is why the government has taken Decisive Action to tackle the Energy Crisis, it is why we are pushing ahead with our plan for growth. Economic growth makes life better and easierfor everyone Economic Growth makes life better and easier for everyone and Economic Growth makes life better and easierfor everyone and it Economic Growth makes life better and easier for everyone and it will level up our country. I know this is what people want to see. Economic growth will mean that we can afford great Public Services such as schools, the police and the nhs. Our fantastic deputy Prime Minister and Health Secretary will deliver for patients so they can expect a gp appointment within two weeks. Applause she will ensure that those who need urgent care will be seen on the same day. And she will get ambulances out there faster and she will improve a e. And she will burst the covid backlog. That is not all, that is not all. And she will bolster social care so everyone gets the care they need. We are working to put this country on the path to long term success. That means ensuring we are safe and secure. One of the reasons we are facing this Global Crisis is because collectively the west did not do enough. We became complacent, we didnt spend enough on defence, we became too dependent on authoritarian regimes for cheap goods and cheap energy. And we did not stand up to russia early enough. We will make sure this never happens again. Applause so we are taking Decisive Action to reinforce our energy security. We are opening more gas fields in the north sea and delivering more renewables and nuclear energy. This is how we will protect the Great British environment, deliver on net zero and tackle climate change. We are also taking Decisive Action by strengthening our borders and beefing up our border force and expanding the rwanda scheme. Our brilliant new Home Secretary will be bringing forward legislation to make sure that no european judge can overrule us. Applause and while she is acting, meanwhile the labour party has absolutely no plan to tackle illegal immigration. But, my friends, we cannot have security at home without security abroad. That is why our tough foreign and defence secretaries are updating the integrated review to make sure we can face down these threats. It is why we are increasing defence spending to 3 of gdp by the end of the decade. This will ensure that our armed forces are ready to tackle new and emerging threats. We are working with our friends and allies to support ukraine in the face of putins brutal war. The brave ukrainian people. Applause the brave ukrainian people are not just fighting for their security, but for all our security. This is a fight for freedom and democracy around the world. Putins illegal annexation of ukrainian territory is just the latest act in his campaign to subvert democracy and violate international law. We should not give in to those who want a deal which trades away ukrainian land. They are proposing to pay in ukrainian lives for the illusion of peace. We will stand with our ukrainian friends however long it takes. Ukraine can win, ukraine must win and ukraine will win. Cheering i know that president zelensky and the people of ukraine will welcome our solidarity with them at this very, very difficult time. To take on russia and other authoritarian regimes free democracies need strong economies. Economic growth makes us strong at home and strong abroad, and we need an economically sound and we need an economically sound and secure United Kingdom. And that will mean challenging those who try to stop growth. I will not allow the anti Growth Coalition to hold us back. Applause labour, the lib dems, the snp, the militant unions, the vested interests dressed up as think tanks, the talking heads, the brexit deniers, extension rebellion and some of the people we had in the hall earlier applause the fact is they prefer protesting to doing. They prefer talking on twitter to taking tough decisions. A taxi from north london town houses to the bbc studios to dismiss anyone challenging the status quo. Cheering from broadcast to podcast they peddle the same old answers. It is always more taxes, more regulation and more meddling. Wrong, wrong, wrong cheering we see the anti Growth Coalition at work across our country. Keir starmer wants to put extra taxes on the companies we need to invest in our energy security. And his sticking plaster solution will only last six months. He has no Long Term Plan and no vision for britain. Mark drakeford in wales is cancelling road building projects and refusing to build the m4 relief road. Nicola sturgeon will not build new Nuclear Power stations to solve the Energy Crisis in scotland. Have these people ever seen a tax rise they dont like . Or an industry they dont want to control . They dont understand the british people, they dont understand aspiration, they are prepared to leave our towns and cities facing decline. My friends, does the anti Growth Coalition have any idea who pays their wages . Laughter its the people who make things in factories acro55 its the people who make things in factories across our country. It is the people who get up at the crack of dawn to go to work, it is the commuters who get trains into towns and cities across our country. I am thinking of the white van drivers, the hairdressers, the plumbers, the accountants, the it workers, and millions of others up and down the uk. The anti Growth Coalition just does not get it. It is because they dont face the same challenges as normal working people. These enemies of enterprise dont know the frustration you feel to see your road blocked by protesters, or your train stopped due to a strike. In fact, theirfriends on train stopped due to a strike. In fact, their friends on the train stopped due to a strike. In fact, theirfriends on the hard left tend to be the ones behind this disruption. The anti Growth Coalition think that people who stick themselves to trains, roads and buildings are heroes. I say the real heroes are the people who go out to work, take responsibility and aspire to a better life for themselves and their families. Cheering and i am on their side. We will build roads, rail, energy and broadband quicker. We will be proudly progrowth, pro aspiration and pro enterprise. That is how we will forge ahead on our long term path to national success. In this new era we are taking a new approach. My friends, we are focused on boosting growth and opportunity across our country. This mission will be difficult, but it is necessary. We have no alternative if we want to get our economy moving again. I am we want to get our economy moving again. Iam ready we want to get our economy moving again. I am ready to make the hard choices. You can trust me to do what it takes. The status quo is not an option, that is why we cannot give the voices of decline. We cant give in to those who say britain cant grow faster, we cant give in to those who say we cant do better. We must stay the course. We are the only party with a clear plan to get britain moving. We are the only party with the determination to deliver. Together we can unleash the full potential of our our great country. That is how we will build a new britain for a new era. Applause studio liz truss has finished her speech and they are on their feet, as you would expect. She looks pleased or may be relieved she has come to the end of the speech that lasted just over half an hour. She ended by saying she is prepared to make the hard choices and i wont give in. There she is being embraced by her husband as she goes out of the hole passing the delegates. But she did giving over the policy of the 45p tax rate and you turned on scrapping it. She said, i get it and and you turned on scrapping it. She said, i get itand i and you turned on scrapping it. She said, i get it and i listened. But she said she is going to forge ahead with her difficult but necessary mission. We are taking a new approach and the status quo is not an option. Interestingly, when she did her personal story at the beginning of her speech growing up in leeds, she said she is the first Prime Minister to have gone to a comprehensive school. Presume that is a nonselective comprehensive school. Former Prime Ministers have been to grammar school. Just moments into her speech there was that rather dramatic interruption and intervention by greenpeace protesters who somehow managed to get into the hall with a rather large banner, protesting about the governments policies or as they see u turns on pledges of green policy, one of them being fracking. She was interrupted, but she regained control quite quickly and referred to a passage later on in her speech, the anti Growth Coalition. She said they turned up early. My guests are here, we have beenjoined by vicki young, the bbc� s deputy Political Editor. Young, the bbcs deputy Political Editor. ,. , editor. Part of it felt like she was ustt inc editor. Part of it felt like she was just trying to editor. Part of it felt like she was just trying to get editor. Part of it felt like she was just trying to get through editor. Part of it felt like she was just trying to get through it editor. Part of it felt like she was just trying to get through it after| just trying to get through it after an incredibly difficult conference for her. But she was pretty adamant that she is carrying on. There was a slight nod towards the troubles that have been, but she didnt dwell on it. And the messages, there is no other option, we are going to do this, i am going to do it. She was talking directly to people watching and saying, i am on your side. Is trying to make out there are these two opposing camps and she is in the one that will bring growth and help people. She said the country needs all of that. There is not much dwelling on the difficult things that are coming. Talk about how she is going to be fiscally prudent but not giving any detail on how she is going to do it. There is a lot of difficult things to come, but given where she was after these last few days, she had to get through that and show she was determined to carry on. 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I really liked it, i thought it was a brilliant the speech . I really liked it, i. Thought it was a brilliant speech. It was thought it was a brilliant speech. It was a thought it was a brilliant speech. It was a positive message for the future, it was a positive message for the future, difficult times, and the prime future, difficult times, and the Prime Minister covered all the main concerns Prime Minister covered all the main concerns and i think it was a very positive concerns and i think it was a very positive speech, really good. It has been a very positive speech, really good. It has been a very bumpy positive speech, really good. It has been a very bumpy conference positive speech, really good. It u s been a very bumpy conference for liz truss, was it enough to put everybody back together, the members, the mps who have been voicing her dissent over the last few days . For voicing her dissent over the last few da s . , , few days . For me, it is my first time coming few days . For me, it is my first time coming to few days . For me, it is my first time coming to a few days . For me, it is my first time coming to a conference. I | few days . For me, it is my first. Time coming to a conference. Ijust found time coming to a conference. Ijust found it time coming to a conference. Ijust found it very time coming to a conference. Ijust found it very fascinating, lots of fringe found it very fascinating, lots of fringe meetings, i learned a lot. A positive fringe meetings, i learned a lot. A positive experience for me. I dont know positive experience for me. I dont know what positive experience for me. I dont know what it looked like from the outside. Know what it looked like from the outside, obviously big news headlines, the 45p tax cut, that was probably headlines, the 45p tax cut, that was probably a headlines, the 45p tax cut, that was probably a crunch bit. The economic plans probably a crunch bit. The economic plans are probably a crunch bit. The economic plans are very positive, in my view. We have plans are very positive, in my view. We have another memberjoining us, what did you make of the speech . The government making a commitment to gross government making a commitment to gross economy government making a commitment to gross economy and government making a commitment to gross economy and looking government making a commitment to gross economy and looking very gross economy and looking very positive gross economy and looking very positive in gross economy and looking very positive. In less gross economy and looking very positive. In less than gross economy and looking very positive. In less than three gross economy and looking veryl positive. In less than three years we will positive. In less than three years we will find positive. In less than three years we will find a positive. In less than three years we will find a huge positive. In less than three years we will find a huge difference positive. In less than three years we will find a huge difference ini we will find a huge difference in the uk we will find a huge difference in the uk we we will find a huge difference in the uk. We are we will find a huge difference in the uk. We are going we will find a huge difference in the uk. We are going back we will find a huge difference in the uk. We are going back to. The uk. We are going back to the top. The uk. We are going back to the top do the uk. We are going back to the to,. , the uk. We are going back to the to, the uk. We are going back to the to. , the uk. We are going back to the top. Do you think she did enough to win over some top. Do you think she did enough to win over some of top. Do you think she did enough to win over some of the top. Do you think she did enough to win over some of the members top. Do you think she did enough to win over some of the members in l top. Do you think she did enough to i win over some of the members in the crowd today . I win over some of the members in the crowd today . Crowd today . I think so. We will win the next election. Crowd today . I think so. We will win the next election. We crowd today . I think so. We will win the next election. We have crowd today . I think so. We will win the next election. We have a crowd today . I think so. We will win the next election. We have a couple} the next election. We have a couple of members the next election. We have a couple of members coming the next election. We have a couple of members coming out the next election. We have a couple of members coming out in the next election. We have a couple of members coming out in may the next election. We have a couple of members coming out in may give the next election. We have a couple i of members coming out in may give us their thoughts, what did you make of their thoughts, what did you make of the speech . Their thoughts, what did you make of the seech . �. , their thoughts, what did you make of the seech . �. , their thoughts, what did you make of the seech . ,. , their thoughts, what did you make of the speech . The speech . Amazing, going for high erowth and the speech . Amazing, going for high growth and this the speech . Amazing, going for high growth and this will the speech . Amazing, going for high growth and this will enable the speech . Amazing, going for high growth and this will enable us the speech . Amazing, going for high growth and this will enable us to growth and this will enable us to et growth and this will enable us to get more growth and this will enable us to get more jobs, growth and this will enable us to get morejobs, more growth and this will enable us to get more jobs, more security and pay off the get more jobs, more security and pay off the national that, which is costing off the national that, which is costing us too much. The future looks costing us too much. The future looks bright. We dont want any distractions that we had. Liz truss deserves distractions that we had. Liz truss deserves a distractions that we had. Liz truss deserves a fair chance and she is going deserves a fair chance and she is going to deserves a fair chance and she is going to make a great Prime Minister going to make a great Prime Minister. Thank you. Going to make a great Prime Minister. Thank you. Thank you very much, minister. Thank you. Thank you very much. Some minister. Thank you. Thank you very much, some optimism minister. Thank you. Thank you very much, some optimism there, minister. Thank you. Thank you very much, some optimism there, one. Minister. Thank you. Thank you very. Much, some optimism there, one thing that might have united some of the people here where the protesters in the crowd and that gave everybody something to unite behind after a few days of quite apparent tory divisions. I few days of quite apparent tory divisions. , few days of quite apparent tory divisions. ,. , divisions. I am delighted to say we have beenioin divisions. I am delighted to say we have been join quickly divisions. I am delighted to say we have been join quickly out divisions. I am delighted to say we have been join quickly out of divisions. I am delighted to say we have been join quickly out of the l have been join quickly out of the hole by the deputy Prime Minister and Health Secretary therese coffey, what about those protesters, that will have taken everyone by surprise . How did they get in . I surprise . How did they get in . I dont know, disappointed, never mind. Dealt with, she showed her resolve and she showed the anti Growth Coalition. It didnt hold her back today. Iterate antiGrowth Coalition. It didnt hold her back today. AntiGrowth Coalition. It didnt hold her back today. We talk about the antigrowth hold her back today. We talk about the antiGrowth Coalition, hold her back today. We talk about the antiGrowth Coalition, echoing | the anti Growth Coalition, echoing what liz truss saying, but isnt the point, although she is talking about opposition parties and groups that do not support the governments economic prospectus, but what about the anti Growth Coalition within your own party . It is a coalition which is fracturing, whether it is the 45p Tax Rate Policy, increasing benefits in line with inflation or earnings, isnt that the critical issue . ,. , earnings, isnt that the critical issue . , earnings, isnt that the critical issue . , issue . The Parliamentary Party is very united issue . The Parliamentary Party is very united behind issue . The Parliamentary Party is very united behind the issue . The Parliamentary Party is very united behind the growth issue . The Parliamentary Party is i very united behind the growth plan. It is the cabinet i am talking about. , , it is the cabinet i am talking about. ,. , about. The 45p issue became a distraction. About. The 45p issue became a distraction, it about. The 45p issue became a distraction, it is about. The 45p issue became a distraction, it is gone about. The 45p issue became a distraction, it is gone and about. The 45p issue became a i distraction, it is gone and dealt with. One of the biggest support packages, 6 of gdp and france was 2 , because businesses were at risk of going bust. We had to take Decisive Action. She set out across the summer she wants to be progrowth, she wants to make sure tax rates are there that will bring in higher tax revenues. Instead of putting up taxes more, make sure we welcome enterprise. The speech set out clearly, growth, growth, growth and every department and government is a growth department. Essen; is a growth department. Every department is a growth department. Every department is is a growth department. Every department is a is a growth department. Every department is a great is a growth department. Every department is a great department, but on the key point you want to reduce taxes and cut taxes, not put them up, she caved in on that policy and reversed it. Instead of cutting the 45p tax rate, instead of going for growth, if you like, she gave in and reversed it. It for growth, if you like, she gave in and reversed it. For growth, if you like, she gave in and reversed it. It was a minor part ofthe and reversed it. It was a minor part of the growth and reversed it. It was a minor part of the growth plan, and reversed it. It was a minor part of the growth plan, we and reversed it. It was a minor part of the growth plan, we are and reversed it. It was a minor part of the growth plan, we are getting | of the growth plan, we are getting on with the rest of it. It is about investment zones, making sure we can get infrastructure built in not allowing other parts of the country, the Growth Coalition, people want to stop things being built, getting on with it. Whether it is Mark Drakeford in wales or nicola sturgeon, that is not how we are going to grow as the United Kingdom. I am very conscious this is an important time in our countrys history, frankly. Around the world, reunited to get the vaccine. We still have the off the after shock of covid, we have huge problems of russias invasion of ukraine. For liz truss was Foreign Secretary, she can take Decisive Action to get things done and to have the Global Leadership as well. Leadership as well. Except she reversed one leadership as well. Except she reversed one key leadership as well. Except she reversed one key decision, leadership as well. Except she reversed one key decision, so | leadership as well. Except she reversed one key decision, so that wasnt decisive, if you like. Have your cabinet colleagues got the memo that you are behind the same thing. Suella braverman are saying that after it had been ditched, she likes the policy. The levelling up secretary retreated, but he liked it. What has gone on with Party Discipline in the cabinet . It is it. What has gone on with Party Discipline in the cabinet . It is no secret the discipline in the cabinet . It is no secret the conservative discipline in the cabinet . It is no secret the conservative Party Discipline in the cabinet . It is no i secret the Conservative Party likes to have lower tax rates. But distraction is done, dealt with and move on and we will get growth going. You are still talking about news from a few days ago, it is about the future and getting growth and that is what the Prime Minister has set out. And that is what the Prime Minister has set out has set out. She said, i get it and i listen. Has set out. She said, i get it and i listen she has set out. She said, i get it and i listen. She said has set out. She said, i get it and i listen. She said growth, has set out. She said, i get it and i i listen. She said growth, growth, growth. How do you make it happen . As we have set out in our plan. Not increasing Corporation Tax right now, as has happened in the past. When we had lower Corporation Tax rates, the revenues went up. It is about making sure we encourage investment in zones, which is why we want the 21st century bournville and the 21st century Port Sunlight to get homes and jobs working together. We need to use the taxpayers money carefully and competently. Iterate carefully and competently. We havent had carefully and competently. We havent had any scrutiny, so we havent had any scrutiny, so we havent had any independent look or probing up the sorts of figures and sorts of ideas you have put forward, because we didnt hear from the office for budget responsibility and we wont until the end of november. She also said we need a leaner state, how . Iterate she also said we need a leaner state. How . She also said we need a leaner state, how . , , she also said we need a leaner state, how . ,. , state, how . We increase the size of the state, especially state, how . We increase the size of the state, especially during state, how . We increase the size of the state, especially during covid. L the state, especially during covid. We needed it, we needed a national response. We needed it, we needed a national resonse. , we needed it, we needed a national resonse. , i. ,. , we needed it, we needed a national resonse. ,. ,. ,. ,. Response. Now you are going to cut it . There are response. Now you are going to cut it . There are specs response. Now you are going to cut it . There are specs we response. Now you are going to cut it . There are specs we no response. Now you are going to cut it . There are specs we no longer. It . There are specs we no longer need to do it . There are specs we no longer need to do in it . There are specs we no longer need to do in government, it . There are specs we no longer need to do in government, as i it . There are specs we no longer| need to do in government, as she it . There are specs we no longer need to do in government, as she set out. We need to get on a focus of our growth and that is why every department will be about growth and using taxpayers money carefully to support that. As she has consistently set out, she wants to support people across the country and she said those furthest behind other people we want to help first. Those are the sort of Compassionate Conservative Party in government she is leading. You Conservative Party in government she is leadine. ,. , is leading. You agree with iain duncan smith, is leading. You agree with iain duncan smith, robert is leading. You agree with iain duncan smith, Robert Halfonl is leading. You agree with iain i duncan smith, Robert Halfon and penny mordaunt, benefits, if you look after those in need, must rise in line with inflation . I look after those in need, must rise in line with inflation . In line with inflation . I used to be the secretary in line with inflation . I used to be the secretary for in line with inflation . I used to be the secretary for that. In line with inflation . I used to be the secretary for that. Those i the secretary for that. Those decisions are made in november. It is about getting prosperity, we have a million vacancies, we want people to take advantage of the skills and we need to invest in people and why we need to invest in people and why we are investing in the entrepreneurs and enterprise, so we can get the private sector of growth. Can get the private sector of erowth. , can get the private sector of erowth. ,. ,. , growth. On the leaner state, growth, we dont know growth. On the leaner state, growth, we dont know how growth. On the leaner state, growth, we dont know how it growth. On the leaner state, growth, we dont know how it will growth. On the leaner state, growth, we dont know how it will be we dont know how it will be generated by how much, a leaner state implies cutting, it implies cutting to spending to departments that might include yours, for example. Is that what the government is going to do and set out in the next month or so, cuts to departments . Shes next month or so, cuts to departments . Next month or so, cuts to departments . Next month or so, cuts to deartments . R ~. , next month or so, cuts to deartments . A ,. , departments . As you know, there was a discussion departments . As you know, there was a discussion potentially departments . As you know, there was a discussion potentially about departments . As you know, there was a discussion potentially about how a discussion potentially about how we think about the size of government and departments have been considering that. This is about aligning the government and making sure we are progrowth. Those elements we will continue to work on, it is only four weeks today we were in ourfirst on, it is only four weeks today we were in our first ever cabinet meeting. Since then, a lot has happened and we have set out what we will do with energy costs to support households, families with the cost of heating this winter, next winter and also businesses going bust, we have a plan for patients and we will do more on these elements and as the Prime Minister said, in the next couple of months you will hear other colleagues setting out our proposals on how we will reduce the cost of childcare. I on how we will reduce the cost of childcare. , , childcare. I will interrupt briefly to say goodbye childcare. I will interrupt briefly to say goodbye to childcare. I will interrupt briefly to say goodbye to viewers i childcare. I will interrupt briefly to say goodbye to viewers who | childcare. 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