don't want to see. steve baker was a thorn in the flesh of theresa may when he ran the erg, the european research group. he has become a thorn in the flesh of borisjohnson, as one of the leaders of the crg, the covid recovery group, which has opposed the lockdown, the restrictions, the compulsory vaccines, the compulsory masks, and all the rest of it. last time we spoke on political thinking three years ago, he told me that his job was to herd the tigers. so, which way will he herd them now? steve baker, welcome back to political thinking. well, nick, thank you very much indeed for having me on and giving me that terrifying introduction. i was very nervous on the first one we did and i am slightly worried about what you will ask me this time but the last pod cast was a great success so thank you for it and thank you to everybody who has listened to it. well, last time we spoke, a month later, theresa may fell, she was toppled. here we are again.