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And there isnt much mention of a Scrappage Scheme either. It is Diesel Engines blamed for producing nitrogen dioxide, a gas that is invisible to the naked eye, but linked to a wide range of health impacts. So where does this Leave Drivers of diesel cars . Its not down to us, is it . Joe public. Its the government thats in power at the time that says diesels good. Lets go on to diesel. Now they are saying different. Perhaps my next car, probably would get a petrol, but i do a lot of commuting, driving on the motorways, so when i bought this car, diesel was the obvious choice. You might change now . Absolutely. One idea discussed in the report is charging Diesel Drivers for coming into cities like nottingham. The government makes clear it does not support that. It wants local authorities to try every other option first. But, if the air remains polluted, maybe charging will have to be considered again. The lib dems say the plan is a copout. The green party says the government is standing idly by while britain chokes. And the government itself may yet face more pressure from the courts. David shukman, bbc news, nottingham. The earlier i spoke to rod dennis, who explained to me the positives and negative aspects of the governments plans. Well, there is a lot that is positive in here, actually. We talk about, i think David Shukman was mentioning smoothing traffic flow. One of the biggest problems we have with air quality, especially in our towns and cities, is caused by congestion. Idling vehicles, vehicles moving slowly, vehicles slowing down on speeding up and there are definitely some positive aspects of the draft plans today that help to encourage councils to really think about traffic flow. Speed bumps, resequencing traffic lights, all of these sorts of things can actually help get our traffic moving. More traffic you have moving, generally speaking the less ofan air moving, generally speaking the less of an Air Quality Problem you have. The clean act on its own wont be enough. But some of the ideas are too vague for you, or dont really sit well with the rac. Which schade . Youre right. The biggest proposal the government is putting forward is more clean as zones and this is something we are very positive about. Clean as urns are the right thing. We think the days of driving any especially old diesel vehicle through the middle of towns and cities are numbered. The concerns we have really is the government has left wide open for councils to began charging clean as urns and while they stipulate that that is not their plan a, there is concern about that. We know that air quality needs to be cleared up and our concern is that as far as charging clean as zones is concerned, that can affect drivers of relatively recent vehicles. If you own a vehicle which was registered before september 2014, so less than three years old, you could potentially be facing charges. Now, most people that bought vehicles at that age or a few yea rs before bought vehicles at that age or a few years before that, probably bought diesels in good faith. There are probably good reasons to buy those diesel vehicles. We are concerned that there is very little protection for motorists who have bought very recent vehicles and are now faced with potentially switching out of those. The funeral has taken place of leslie rhodes, one of the victims of the westminster terror attacks. Mr rhodes, who was 75 and a retired Window Cleaner, was on his way home after a Hospital Appointment when he was killed by Khalid Masood on Westminster Bridge. His family say they have yet to come to terms with the unfairness of his death. Our correspondent Daniel Sandford reports. More than six weeks after the westminster attack, the last of the funerals of the five People Killed by Khalid Masood. Family and friends saying goodbye to les rhodes. The 75 year old had been a Window Cleaner and decorator all his life but was struck as masood sped across Westminster Bridge on his way to murdering pc keith palmer, and died the next day of his injury. On the lawn in front of les rhodes south london flat, family and friends had laid flowers, including a wreath symbolising his love of cricket. Among them his sister in law, carol, who he had helped out when his brother, her husband, had died young of cancer. She told me les had just been to hospital opposite parliament on the day he was killed. He was walking along towards big ben, and thats when he was struck down and killed, just going about his everyday business. A normal man, doing a normal thing. Thats all he was doing, and thats how his life ended. His niece amanda still has raw anger towards the man who murdered her uncle. My view is he shouldnt have been shot. Hes got the easy way out. All the families now are going to suffer for many years to come. Weve got to deal with the grief. Les rhodes had a small family, but dozens of friends came to the funeral of a kind man cruelly killed in the westminster attack. Daniel sandford, bbc news, south london. For us its been tough, you know, lets admit it. Yeah. Its been disappointing, but theres been mixed results. Obviously, we need to gain support and, i tell you, compared to two years ago, were doing our best, doing well. Its mixed results. Im disappointed weve lost seats because our candidates and our councillors have worked so hard. We came within 5,000 votes of winning the west of england, which everyone said was impossible. Yeah, its been a tough night, but its mixed results and its all to play for in terms of the General Election. As far as the General Election is concerned, were not evening at the half time. We will see what happens when the whistle is blown for full time. Its not unusual to try and put a brave face on bad news. But some days, its harder than others. Good evening. With just over a month to go before a General Election, britains main opposition party, labour, is moving backwards. Theyve lost seats and mayoralty contests, and theyve lost all over britain. They lost to the snp in glasgow, they lost to the tories in the north of england, they lost to nameless independents in south wales all former heartlands. For a party whose proud activists calls themselves momentum, there was a noticeable lack. Here in other words is a party slipping further away from power, not towards it. Some solace for labour, ukip had a worse time of the local elections today. The party that clambered aboard a Wrecking Ball and drove it through the british political system, emerged Withjust One Councillor Today A Lone Soul in burnley. And for the tories . Sober faces masking an extraordinary set of results. Tonight, we analyse the new Political Landscape and ask what it could spell for the election in june. Our political editor, nick watt, is in birmingham. Let us start with the tories. Theresa may really doing what she set out to do, nick . Yes, thats right. Here i am in birmingham where the conservative party have ventured into Labour Heartlands by capturing that West Midlands mayoralty. If you take that result and combine it with the results across Great Britain the conservative party is healing for a decisive victory in next mornts General Election. Decisive victory in next months General Election. They are moving back into parts of Great Britain where they really havent had much of an impact for the last 25 years. And, the conservatives have an 11 point lead in the projected national share. That is higher than Margaret Thatcher had this time in 1983 and 1987 and that was fold in both those cases by landslide General Election victories. Conservative ministers they are saying there is no complacency you can always make a mistake in the next five weeks. I spoke to a Cabinet Minister this afternoon who said to me interestingly, theresa mays gamble on that early election was the right one. Your thoughts on labour tonight, nick . The labour party are saying that they are still in the game. They are saying that 11 point tory lead is narrower than the opinion poll lead. They are saying look, they won the manchester, George Michael mayoralt and liverpool decriesively. Senior labourfigures in private are in despair. They think the party is heading to a heavy defeat next month. Jeremy corbyn headed to manchester this afternoon to celebrate andy burnham victory, but the new mayor, well, he was otherwise engaged. On this historic day we decided to take a look at the five lessons weve learnt from today. The people of britain have spoken. The political ground has shifted and britain is on course for a realignment in next months General Election. Butjust what have we learnt from the multitude of elections across Great Britain . Crowing by ministers has been banned by number ten. They have little doubt that theresa mays decision to call an early General Election will pay off. Strange to think thatjust a few weeks ago some ministers were wondering whether her gamble was really that wise. Now, ministers are Drawing Parallels with Margaret Thatchers Landslide Victories in 1983 and 1987. She triggered those contests a few days after success in the local elections. Theresa may had no such luxury. She had to go earlier because ministers felt there was a short window before the brexit negotiations are properly under way. Theresa mays two core messages at the launch of her campaign for the tory leadership, here in birmingham lastjuly, are paying dividends. Her pledge that, yes, brexit would mean brexit has won over ukip voters. And her insistence that the Referendum Result was a cry from people who feel left behind by globalisation has won over blue collar voters from ukip and labour. In the home of the pay rant saint of mayism the tories achieved their best win of these elections. Street, andy, the conservative Party Candidate is duly elected as mayor for the West Midlands. His success in the West Midlands mayoral contest shows that the conservatives are on the march in Labour Heartlands. The giants of the Labour Movement would be stunned as bastians fell. Glasgow and the land of michael foot. They won Greater Manchester and liverpool, giving the party some hope that urban areas may save it from meltdown on the 8thjune. Ukip changed the country by laying the ground for the brexit vote. But in their success, they may very well have put themselves out of business. On the other side there was little sign of a bounce from aggrieved k rfiieeffieeafl eartfl in the un with nicola sturgeon. Talk us through the snps fortunes today . Do you agree weve reached peak nat in the words of Ruth Davidson . We possible have. You heard in my report that labour has lost control of glasgow. What is interesting. They might be talking about it in a few decades time today, is the return of the conservative party. 20 years ago they were wiped out in scotland, today they are back and back in unexpected places. There is a conservative councillor now in the paisley, one of the most deprived areas of scotland. Ruth davidson, the leader of the scottish conservatives she says that her party is now unquestionably the main party of the union in scotland. She is hoping that in next months General Election she will pick up tactical votes from people across the spectrum who do not want to have a second independence referendum. Nick, thanks very much indeed. Nick watt there in birmingham. West midlands, tees valley, derbyshire, lancashire, south wales and glasgow. These were the places they used to weigh the labour vote, so certain were they of their heartland support. This map, from the guardian, shows the labour gains. And this one shows the tory gains they are everywhere. So where does labour think theyll win the General Election . Campaign manager, andrew gwynne, joins me now from salford. Nice of you to join us, andrew gwynne. Based on what you have seen today, do you still believe you can win the General Election . Well, of course we fight elections to win because we are in this game to Change Britain for the better. So, before a single vote has been cast for the General Election, of course we are fighting for every single labour vote in every part of the United Kingdom that we will be contesting. Do you believe you can win it on this result . Of course, you have to believe in politics that you can win. I do believe that we can win if we get our message across, our policies across. If Labour Candidates, if Labour Party Members hit the ground. Dust ourselves down, we have taken a bruising today in parts of the country. I play tribute to Labour Candidates and councillors who have you are the head of campaigns now. You recognise, presumably, you are going to have a pretty radical shift, in terms ofs how you get that message out now, whats going to happen . We have five weeks to change the course of the next five years. Thats a massive challenge. Its one im up to and its one that i know many of my colleagues are up to. What weve got to do, going forward, is we have to, obviously, launch our manifesto and get our policies there. We have a transformational vision for the britain which is different to the society we live in now. efeifgfimyg eage im confident that if we can get that we have heard a lot of you campaigning on the issues, police numbers, talked schools, talked nhs and the crisis. These are presumably what you want to be talking about that message thats just the start. I urge you to wait until the 16th may when we will launch our manifesto. You will see that there are some pretty radical and forward thinking policies in there. I dont doubt that we have got a challenge on our hands. Its our duty to make sure that we fight for every single labour vote. That we fight to make sure that as many labour mps are returned to parliament on the 8th june. The trouble is, for labour, you havent got. Fight to win. You havent got certain members of your party, many members of your party, behind you, as us know. The mp for red car wrote this morning, weve a lot to learn. The tories have decimated teesside, but people still didnt want to trust us. Sion simon lost the West Midlands traditional working class votes want a simpler, stronger message they want patriotism, hard work, law and order. Do you concede that simple message whatever the message is from labour isnt getting through . I absolutely know that candidates like ana turlly will be fighting for a Labour Victory in red car. I support anna in that. We need her to be returned to parliament. We need many more labour mps back in parliament. Absolutely we have to get we know what you need. What im not hearing from you is the sense of how that could happen now . This is presumably a wake up call. You have got a month to go. We dont know what is going to be radical enough for you to get a message across, through jeremy corbyn, through john mcdonnell, which hasnt worked so far . Firstly, be patient. Lets see whats in that manifesto. Secondly, of course we have lessons to learn. Weve also got lessons to learn from the areas where we did well in the local elections. Places like Greater Manchester where the tories were defeated for example where your candidate didnt wait around to see his leader turn up . The conservative candidate in greater man chest, the Greater Manchester. We have lessons to learn, both bad and good from these elections. Im not complacent. Im looking very carefully at how we build on those issues and we get our message across. You have to be more than not complacent, dont you . Step back from this for a second. You are trying to replace a government that has imposed seven years of austerity. Its failed to meet immigration targets. Its failed to reach its deficit targets. It failed to solve a crisis in the nhs. You are moving backwards. You are losing your Labour Heartlands. You cant begin to make gains in a situation like that. We increased our majority in swansea we had a landslide in Greater Manchester and merseyside. By a candidate who doesnt believe Injeremy Corbyn . Including city regions who do not traditionally vote for the labour party. There are lessons to learn both from the poor results in parts of the country, but also from some of the good results in part of the country. Now, weve got a job to do in the next five weeks and im fully focused on the other hand making sure that we get that Labour Message across that we want to build a britain for the many, not the few, and im confident that my colleagues, in the labour party, will be doing their bit to make sure that we return as many labour mps and, hopefully, on the 8th june, a labour government. Andrew gwynne, thank you. Thank you. The noisy boy band that is ukip fielded 146 councillors for re election today. They ended the day with just one. So are they suffering second album syndrome . Is there anything left for them to do now . David. Gmssman has been looking at them. All of them faded away when their principal aims had been secured. Indeed, it is hard to read last nights results in any other way, just months after the party secured its single minded objective and almost complete wipe out. All the seats it was defending laws, a Single Council seat games. Disappointing that i did not get back in, but unfortunately people are voting conservative or labour, because they think brexit is finished. Has the music stopped for a ukip . This is boston in lincolnshire, the moors breads at supporting part of the uk. The county started the night with 13 ukip councillors but not one dodge the draft. I always voted labour and my family were all labour, i have never voted for the tories. We started voting for ukip and now they have done theirjob. I like but the tory party has to say, much better than labour now. Theirjob is done now. I like Theresa Reason Meynell and i think he is better and you can believe what she is saying. Membership of the European Union has been a disasterfor us. European federalism. Popular Support Group from its campaign to stop britain joining the euro, still remembered in its badge, but it only really took off after the huge wave of easton european immigration hit the uk after 2004. The breakthrough came through in 2009 and they came second in the european elections and their estimated vote share in the Council Elections held on the same day was 9 . Fast forward to 2013 and ukip turned in its best domestic performance with 23 of the vote. They slipped the following year, but came first in the European Parliament elections. In the General Election of 2015, they got 13 and 3. 8 million votes. But yesterday, post the brexit referendum, their projected vote share has plummeted to just 5 . I think it is overfor ukip, job done, we were instrumental in making sure we got the referendum and we played a part in making sure we won the referendum and now what we need to make sure we do is that theresa may has a big mandate onjune the 8th to make sure she gets on with it. So might the party that nigel farage helped found go the same way as the anti slavery movement, commemorated in this Westminster Memorial . If, in two years time, we have not got back our territorial

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