person, formidable. and when i interviewed her, you interviewed her, you know, i mean, let's be clear. you know, i was amazed... you know, she wasn't — it wasn't the most brilliant performance by a prime minister, you know, in an interview. but, you know, you wouldn't believe that she'd just had the worst week of her entire political life, which she had. it doesn't come across, does it? she doesn't seem to show that? she's incredibly resilient, and i do admire that. - how was she? her resilient- is quite astonishing. it's astonishing. how was she off—camera, without giving away anything confidential? but, you know, how was she? she was, you know, i've known liz for quite a long time - because she was a new mp i when i firstjoined the lobby. so i knew her as a backbencher. you know, i knew her when she was doing the free enterprise. like all she's doing — - all the things she's doing now doesn't surprise me. this is the stuff- she was talking to me about in 2011, 2012. i would say that she seemed —