the chief, excuse me, the permanent secretary of the treasury, tom scholar, again, because he thought he'd probably give him advice that he didn't want to hear. they were just so determined to get these tax cuts through. but i would say and this is a sort of sort of slight counterpoint to what beth was saying, that over many years, her opponents have underestimated her. and, you know, i mean, you know, let's be absolutely clear. she did really badly in the first round, for example, of the parliamentary vote. she may have only ended up with about a third of mps supporting her, but she got through to the final round and she basically humiliated rishi sunak within a couple of weeks. but... ijust — but all the way along her career, basically, particularly men, have underestimated her and mostly she's seen them all off. so i'm not saying, however, that she isn't now in the deepest hole any prime minister has ever been in, because i do think she's basically in the deepest hole any prime minister has ever been in. but she is a... you know, she's a formidable
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