and that was the general feeling at that point. and it wasn't until we got further on in the investigation, where we'd established that a crime had occurred, that really the size of this investigation and what we were about to embark on really hit home for people. when you first started investigating, how evidentially complex did it appear to be? the size and scale of this investigation is huge. ultimately, we've got a trial where we're presenting 17 murder and attempted murder cases all at once. and so right back at the beginning of the investigation, it was really clear that this was going to be a really complex investigation. to put that into some context, one set of medical records in relation to one of the children in this case was over 8,000 pages long. and so we then had to instruct