the spectator writes that, "the war puts the raison d'etre "of most european right wing populists, "the defence of the nation state and national sovereignty "back at the top of the political agenda, "exposes the dishonesty of automatically branding "such parties as anti—immigrant or anti—refugee." poland, of course, governed by the nationalist law and justice party, has taken in 1.9 million ukrainian refugees, more than the rest of the world put together. i mean, it does — some would argue — vindicate and presage a rise in nationalism as a result of what we're seeing. would you accept that? uh, so, first of all, nationalism can be a good thing or it can be a bad thing. we've seen the bad effects in russian nationalism because their national identity is somehow inseparably connected to dominating all of their weaker neighbours. but there's another concept of nation that isn't inherently aggressive and it's not inherently exclusive, and it is compatible with liberal values and i think that that's the kind of national identity that a modern democracy really