but we have to look at how we can blunt this offensive and how we can impose such costs on the russian economy that if the leadership in the kremlin does not realise that something is going wrong, at least those around them will signal the alarm that this is not a sustainable posture. that's what we've got to try to do. when people talk about... well, i mean, you're at the osce, organization for security cooperation in europe. i keep reminding myself of that phrase. when people talk of world war iii, do you think that is overblown? or are we very close? look, i wouldn't say that we're very close. but again, we have to manage the escalation risks in such a way that we do not end up pushing this conflict higher and higher up the escalatory ladder. i mean, certainly, there is the potential for that, and that is why wise and cool leadership is necessary at this