yuli dolgoruky, who is also buried in kyiv. so, i mean, he cannot imagine ukraine being independent for so long, and he doesn't accept that ukrainians and russians are two different people, and they are two different people with two different mentalities, opposite mentalities, because for ukrainians... ah, well, yes, this gets to the very heart of, in a sense, what putin's message to the world is. i mean, he wants to delegitimise the very idea of a ukrainian nation. he says it's a fiction. he says that had not lenin given ukraine too much of a sense of identity within the ussr, there would be no modern ukraine. and i just wonder whether you feel there are any people inside the nation—state of ukraine today, that is ethnic russian people, who would identify with putin's version of history. i think you can find these people. i mean, i am one of probably 7—8 million of ethnic russians,