and i, of course, am a lawyer, and i do believe that law has a role to play in all of this because there's something symbolic about saying, "these behaviours "are what are accepted in society and these are not." and that's what the law does — it sets the bar on certain kinds of behaviour. so you have to have law that is protective of women and which is basically pointing the finger at those who. .. well, where are the limits of what the law can actually achieve? and i ask that advisedly, because you now head up a scottish government working, sort of, reporting committee that's about to publish a report on the possibility of making misogyny a hate crime. now, this is particular to scotland, but i dare say people listening and watching around the world will be interested in this notion that you can criminalise misogyny. do you believe you can? let me be very clear. hate itself is not a crime. we don't have thought crime.