the white supremacy. this is a laboratory. from here, it moved across the caribbean, it moved to the united states. so, having this interview here, you have come to the source of the crime that we are trying to adjudicate today in the broad context of reparations. and i keep on asking you this, but you're not making much progress, are you. . . yes, we are making process. ..on a government to government level at all? we are making significant progress. we do not expect this to happen overnight. but you've said you've been arguing for it for 100 years. absolutely! so, what has the uk government, for instance, said on reparations to you? the uk government has always said that slavery was not a crime, that slavery was legal, we did nothing wrong, we're not going to apologise. well, you're not shifting minds, are you? well, we're trying, and we will always try. but here is the issue, zeinab — it took us all of the 19th century to uproot slavery from the world.