when this will happen, somebody else will come. there will be an opportunity that we should not lose to engage with russia, to try to anchor russia in europe. because we missed our chance in 1989, we missed our chance in 1999, we should not allow this opportunity... the breakdown of the soviet union. carl, what happens when these regimes fall, as our questioner has asked? of course, and then we should humbly say that building democracy and rule of law is not that easy. it takes time. culture, education, tradition, whatever. we have seen that in those post—soviet or post—yugoslav states, to take another part of europe — it is not easy, is not straightforward, it requires time, patience, but it is worth it. because the alternative is far worse. the alternative is to descend into chaos and dictatorship. building democracy, messy, difficult, back—and—forth — ukraine is not a perfect place, by the way, but it is on its way. and i think that lesson needs to be